Candidate Barlow explains bankruptcies

There has been an attack on my integrity, character and values. To help dispel any half truths I offer the attachment as a brief narrative.

Cherie and I have spoken before many groups and shared our testimony. Many marriages have been saved and many folks received Christ as their Lord and Savior. Praise God for what He has done through us.

In 1985 my wife and I went through a contentious divorce. My attorney advised me to file bankruptcy, which I did.

October 17, 1987, I dedicated my life to Jesus Christ. During the next two years my ex-wife and I reconciled and we remarried December 16, 1989 and Christ restored our family.

My precious daughters and 5 grandchildren are an important part of our live now and in part the reason we moved to Tyrone, Georgia. We no longer recognize December 16, 1989 but instead celebrate October 8, 1966, our original wedding date, as our anniversary. We give Christ all honor and glory because without Him, our reconciliation would not have occurred.

In 1994 I turned my employer into IRS for tax evasion. Also, during this time, I innocently learned that Richard, an associate, had received a $600,000 advance of an anticipated $6,000,000 grant from the Agriculture Department.

I was encouraged by Richard’s pastor to go to the FBI, so I did. The two men teamed up and sued me. I went to court without an attorney because I did not have the $25,000 upfront payment the attorney’s requested.

Also, the morning of the trial, Richard’s pastor, who had asked me to turn Richard into the government, died. Pastor Henderson was 41 years old. His wife told me that Pastor Henderson died from the stress.

His earlier support and endorsement of Richard proved fatal to himself and to many small churches that had trusted Richard with their finances. Richard ultimately served 39 months in federal prison for multiple securities violations.

After several weeks of constant attacks on my character, integrity and work ethic the judge allowed me the opportunity to make a statement over the objections of the plaintiff. She said, “Mr. Barlow has been listening to you for weeks. I will give him the opportunity to make a statement.”

I stated for the record, “This is a court of law and not a court of justice. On the day the Lord Jesus Christ returns we will be held accountable for every idle word and deed and I am ready for Him to return today and judge us all.”

The Judge ruled in favor of the plaintiff. They jumped for joy and asked for $12 million punitive damages because of double indemnity. You see the FBI blocked the $6 million grant, and $75,000 legal fees. The judge took a recess and retired to her chambers to determine my fate. She returned in approximately one hour and awarded the plaintiff ZERO legal fees and ZERO punitive damages.

Within days I was again bombarded with lawsuits from the plaintiffs and an attorney friend advised me to file bankruptcy to halt the attacks.

I will gladly discuss any of the foregoing information with anyone who desires to meet with me and discuss my past.

Also, there is not nor have been any foreclosure proceedings against my property.

David L. Barlow, CLVS

www.electbarlow.com

Tyrone, Ga.

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Barlow's vote to bail out Brown - at least he's consistent

Commissioner David Barlow's vote to pay off Chairman's Brown's debt with other people's money (read tax payers' money) is consistent with his view of fiscal responsibility. That is, one may run up debts for whatever one wishes with no intention of repaying the creditors. Apparently God told him to ignore Jesus' instruction to Zacchaeus as well as to treat public coffers as a personal ATM.

When election time rolls around, please remember that Barlow was endorsed and promoted by the local tea party. Don't be fooled, the tea party's endorsements are political, not conservative.

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Those fiscal warriors at the FC Tea Party!

What happened to the original TP agenda of lower taxation and limited government? Oh wait, we'd rather in FC elect TWO deadbeats to the FC Commission in Barlow and McCarty and then also the resident goof aka Steve Brown who immediately wants a SPLOST and runs the most transparent government in history, never mind violating the Open Meetings Act and saying "oops," Good grief!

What a complete sham. It's more like sweatshop slum-king Harold Bost and a few cronies taking over in FC politics. Enjoy the ride because this too shall pass.

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STF & Barlow's Vote

What is most apparent here is that you don't understand the historical facts and the absence of rationale behind Horgan's filing that brought this all about.

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AHG: Don't care about Horgan's thinking at all

Either the charges have merit or don't. I don't care how sorry Horgan was a commissioner and I sure never voted for him either time, but the charges should stand or fall on their own, not by the person/clown who filed them.

There doesn't need to be historical facts here. There doesn't need to be the whining that the Ethics Commission is some how biased against Brown. This isn't a conspiracy; it's really damn obvious that Brown in fact violated the ethics ordinance which is why the FC commission decided to change it after the fact and wrongly,IMO. I might add and he also admittedly violated the Open Meetings Act of GA before then. Maybe they can convince the state to change the Open Meetings Act to apply to everyone not named steve Brown next.

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RWM you've outdone yourself

THAT is funny!!!

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Credibility

“Within days I was again bombarded with lawsuits from the plaintiffs and an attorney friend advised me to file bankruptcy to halt the attacks.” Even if you felt it absolutely necessary to declare bankruptcy to protect your “assets" (for the second time, and AGAIN not your fault...what are the chances?), did that bankruptcy prevent you from meeting your debt obligations to those creditors that had nothing to do with your problem, or did you take advantage of the bankruptcy and walk away from your promises to pay?

“I will gladly discuss any of the foregoing information with anyone who desires to meet with me and discuss my past.” No thanks on the meeting. You presented this information in a public forum, you are a public official, and you exercise control over other people’s money in the form of taxes. You should therefore be willing to answer this question in this public forum.

P.S. If you need a dollar for a cup of coffee, just ask me to give it to you....let's not waste time with that "borrow" thing!

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yeahwhatever gets it

McCarty for that matter had IRS problems/tax liens not related to his RV fiasco for NOT PAYING HIS DAMN TAXES on time. Yet, the FC Tea Party of King Bost Hogg loves these two fiscal "warriors" to death despite neither showing an ounce of financial responsibility. They both said "yeah whatever" themselves.

Steve Brown, house husband extraordinaire loves them, and Harold "ESTEX SWEATSHOP" Bost Hogg loves them, and apparently that is all you need for the FC commission these days. Way to go, guys.

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Have we any word on how the 3 new commishs voted

to get Mrs. Brown's $2000 back? I was hoping for some spine from 1 or 2 of them. I was also hoping for some reporting as well. Maybe I should just hope for some hope and change.

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Morgan & Voting

All 3 new guys voted to reimburse; Chairman Brown recused hmself; McCarty was absent.

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Commission Meeting Minutes

Strange how it's so easy to take from the employees to be fiscally responsible to the citizens and then turn around and vote to reimburse themselves for expenses accrued by their actions that weren't necessary but were instead "based on principle." Principles.....really? in the first section below, they vote unanimously to take benefits from the employees. In the second (beginning with "12.") they vote unanimously to reimburse Brown for an unnecessary appeal.

"Chairman Brown said there were no easy decisions, but that the County was in a real bind. He said the Board did not take pride in taking anything away from anybody. He said the County is in a really bad situation, and that the Board had opportunities to do things years ago when both he and Commissioner McCarty were on the Board, and those requests were voted down each time. He said the County is where it is, that the Board promised its constituents that it would provide a balanced budget, and that the County would do whatever it takes to get to the balanced budget. He said this action had nothing to do against anybody who is employed with the County, but closed saying the constituents are the number one responsibility."

"12. Consideration of Chairman Steve Brown’s request to be reimbursed for legal expenses, in the
amount of $2,128.85, incurred in his defense against ethics charges filed by former County
Commissioner Robert Horgan.
Chairman Brown recused himself from this discussion, turned the floor over to Vice Chairman Charles
Oddo, and left the room for the entirety of this matter.
Vice Chairman Oddo and Commissioner Ognio asked the public if they had any comments on this item.
Frank Gardner: Mr. Gardner said he wanted the Board to set up some type of procedure so that any
complaint that is filed against a county employee, that is not covered by insurance, that the county would
pay for a lawyer to take care of it. He said the Board was in a high profile position and there is always
somebody who wants to have a vendetta against somebody. He thought it was a shame that people who
work for the county would have to take money out of their pockets to defend themselves. County
Administrator Rapson informed Mr. Gardner that, from a county employee perspective, employees are
covered, but that this issue concerned the Chairman who is elected and is not a county employee.
Commissioner Barlow said he did quite a bit of research on this item and said he talked to a number of the
citizens. He said he knew what he felt in his heart, but he wanted to hear from others. He said that he had
come to understand that Chairman Brown was working for the benefit of Fayette County, and that he was
not pursuing something personally. He said, consequently, it made it really easy for him that the County
should cover his expenses since he was working to do something that was going to involve the good of
Fayette County. He said it was not a stretch for him to say he supports reimbursing Chairman Brown for his
personal expenses out of pocket.
Commissioner Ognio said Chairman Brown was acting in official capacity with the County, and created a
situation. He said, for that reason, the Chairman should be reimbursed.

Action Agenda
April 25, 2013
Page Number 6

Vice Chairman Oddo read a prepared statement explaining his thoughts and he concluded that he would
vote in favor or reimbursing Chairman Brown’s legal expenses.
Commissioner Ognio moved to reimburse Steve Brown for legal expenses in the amount of $2,128.85
incurred in his defense against ethics charges filed by former County Commissioner Robert Horgan.
Commissioner Barlow seconded the motion. No discussion followed. The motion passed 3-0 with
Chairman Brown being recused from the vote and Commissioner McCarty being absent.
The County Marshal brought Chairman Brown back to the meeting after the vote was taken."

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This commission is sad

They all promised to be their own man, yet after reviewing all the meeting minutes this year, I could only find two times where someone did not fall in line with Mr. Brown. Commissioner McCarty has voted twice against Mr. Brown. The others seem to be in lock step with whatever whim Mr. Brown feels that day.

Mr. Barlow however is getting quite good at all the do good proclamations and invocations. He might one day make a good preacher.

It seems pretty suspicious that whenever an issue is opened to the floor the initial speaker is always in favor of whatever Mr. Brown thinks is ok. Are there ringers in county politics?

Mr. Brown did not need legal council to represent him in the ethics charge, unless he did something procedurally incorrect. If he felt the decision of the ethics board was not just, he would have had the opportunity to secure legal services and fight the charge.

Had he asked permission beforehand to secure legal support with the intent to charge this to the county, he would have been transparent, and commended. Do pull a Haddix, is not being transparent. I also think the other commissioners set a bad precedent allowing this to pass. What is going to stop him the next time?

What I found interesting after reading the agenda item is the fact that the major question that Mr. Horgan had was if Mr. Brown authorized the probe on his own or if he had the commissions approval. Mr. Brown produced at the ethics meeting signed affidavits that state that he spoke with each of the commissioners. Why was this not presented beforehand? Did his lawyers review the case and find a problem that initiated them to produce these? Do phone records support the conversations?

Don't ask me to get started on the splost they are all pushing.

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Spoke with other commissioners?

"What I found interesting after reading the agenda item is the fact that the major question that Mr. Horgan had was if Mr. Brown authorized the probe on his own or if he had the commissions approval. Mr. Brown produced at the ethics meeting signed affidavits that state that he spoke with each of the commissioners."

I'm certainly no expert, but do the sunshine laws allow Brown to contact the other commissioners regarding decisions like this without doing it in an open meeting? Just a thought.

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The chairmans belief at the

The chairmans belief at the time was that there was a theft of the former attorneys computer hard drive and of course it had sensitive information. By speaking with all of the commissioners and gaining their approval, I believe that since it was a "theft", it is acceptable.

I just wonder if Mr. Brown was waiting for the doors to unlock at the county bldg. so he could start digging right away into the former attorneys computer.

This is all about Steve Brown wanting to win his personal battles with the evil empire. It will be very interesting when others start questioning him and ask for his computer and phone information.

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Commission not sad at all to local admirer

Dear Chairman Brown,
I am really amazed at your leadership abilities in Fayette County. I am especially impressed how you got a unanimous vote to divert county money for your personal legal fees. I tried the secretive approach which my first attorney thought best, but that sure didn't work as planned, so I had this great big blow up and my second attorney had to write a letter and then my third attorney finally got the vote I needed. Lot's of trouble though. And I think I was unpopular at the end.

And in the last election you managed to get 3 guys to run as a team and say they didn't support you as chairman which probably got them elected and then they win, you all hire your hand-picked county manager in an illegal meeting and then you still got elected chairman. Wow! If I tried that, it would have been ugly.

As you know, I have an election coming up and it looks as if I am drawing some serious opposition. Of course I'll pretend its nothing and try to blame everything on the council incumbents so they get replaced, but not me the incumbent mayor. Do you think that's a good strategy? Or should I try something else? I do need to know how to get some new councilpeople elected who will follow me the way yours did you. How do you find these people? Did you put an ad in the paper? Did you troll the Democrat, whoops, I mean Republican party meetings? I just can't seem to get anyone to return my phone calls.

Glad to see you got yourself a new county manager (he seems to really like you -wish my manager did) and a new attorney - you can't trust attorneys you know, they want everything so -- legal. Bummer.

I've always admired the way you have made mince meat out of the old stalwarts in the community by attacking them and calling them developers. I can't seem to find any of them over here except Jim Pace - he put that deal together for the movie thing and said Peachtree City was too noisy or something. Could I attract attention by attacking him? Will you help me? I know you don't like him - maybe just some bad mouthing at your next meeting. Maybe I could take on Dan Cathy on his old fashioned ideas on marriage. He's trying for a new Chick-fi-A here. If I get that killed will it help me with the gay vote? Or, speaking of noise, maybe I could take on the railroad. You hear those train whistles at night? Geez.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Good luck and congrats on a great job and a great photo.

Don the Dirk Haddix
Mayor of Peachtree City

PS - My new nickname is part of a youth package I am rolling out - swept back slightly dyed hair, goatee and double-breasted sport coats and suits (no tie) - and granny glasses like yours! Whacha think? Somebody actually said I was part of the old guard and therefore part of the problem. That hurt. New image should change that.

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RWM: LOL!!!!

That is perfect!

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Why have an Ethics Commission?

If they find someone guilty of violating their oath of office/ethics charges and we the taxpayers have to foot the bill for them defending themselves with their own private attorney regardless of their guilt .....what is actually accomplished here besides saying "shame, black mark on your record?"

There is a majority of people in FC that will defend Steve Brown to all corners of the globe no matter what he he does,says, or lies about. Witness the utter sheeple never mentioning or daring to comment on Brown's prior stances on district voting, SPLOSTS, EFB/WFB, Westside Annexation, etc.

Exactly what message was just sent to this megalomaniac here? All OK yet again?

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Yes, thanks to the 3 enablers - all is well in Brownville

Ethics have been relegated to the junk heap of corny old ideas that were important 2 or 3 generations ago. Having a work ethic, supporting one's family, having loyalty to spouse, children or even your employer, believing in God and showing it, watching 60 Minutes nail some crook instead of what they do now, repaying borrowed funds even though it was inconvenient, flying an American flag and being certain that marriage was between a man and a woman - all gone the way of the horse-drawn carriage.

We have "progressed" to the point that ethics are a quaint old idea - something our grandparents may have espoused, but we know better now. Our way is best. On to the future.

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Did you expect anything else out of the Brown Nosers?

The folks of this County have elected some doozies lately.

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Brown Nosers. No expectations really, except Oddo

I really thought Oddo would see through the silly Brown Clown. He would have been the best choice as Chairman.

But the others? Barlow, the thumper is real easy to control -"let's just pray about that" and Ognio, seems starstruck that he is on stage with the great Steve Brown. Wife likes her role/roll as well. You go girl!

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Stopford

Where on earth did you get the idea that Stopford was running against Hearn? She was running for the seat - period. She is too intelligent and refined to ever support Ognio Especially since Ognio's wife threatened her and tried to stop her ftom running. Those of us who voted for Stopford will vote for Hearn and will return for the runoff.

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yada & voting

So who shose you to speak for all of Stopford's supporters? I think she should speak for herself. And how about some proof about your claim that Ognio's wife"threatened" Stopford--ereally gutter political rumor.

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So filing bankruptcy isn't Christian?

I wonder how many of us would have had the courage to report their employer for tax evasion as Mr. Barlow did? I salute Mr. Barlow for his help in successfully bringing a criminal to justice, knowing what consequences he would face. Few of us would lose their job just to save taxpayers money. Those critics who imply that filing bankruptcy violates biblical Christian principles are, in fact, saying that any of you readers who profess to be Christians and who have filed bankruptcy have failed to live up to Christian ethics unless you have completely paid off your creditors. In other words, you're heathens, not true Christians.

I don't think it's right to slam born again Christians for availing themselves of the second opportunity bankruptcy provides for a new beginning. Goodness knows, thousands of Christians and other faith followers, including ministers, have filed for bankruptcy.

I would challenge these naysayer critics to identify any other political candidates they know of who chose to suffer financial ruin over bankruptcy in the name of Christianity.

To me, Mr. Barlow has walked the extra mile to show his disdain for tax evasion. This tells me he should be an excellent steward of the county finances. But being a candidate for public office, there will always be those few who choose to cast stumbling blocks any way they can. They may as well have accused him of violating the Ten Commandments. I'm sure Mr. Barlow would agree that he is not perfect.

Those who think the bankruptcy law of financial forgiveness is immoral should contact their congressman. Time to get in sync with the bible.

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pips1414

You said "But being a candidate for public office, there will always be those few who choose to cast stumbling blocks any way they can."

This is funny considering how you and your wife make statements using terms like " I won't name any names" or some female candidates were seen having lunch with a former commisioner, and other vague terms and accusations. What a hypocrite.

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Nuk, that is just plain crazy

There is no comparison between the current majority on the Board of Commissioners and David Barlow.

The Frady/Horgan/Hearn contingent have been deficit spending for years, acting on "no-bid" contracts, voting on things that never appear on an agenda and de-funding the fire district account. They build roads for developers and relatives at a high cost to the taxpayers.

Barlow, on the other hand, filed bankruptcy due to a division of assets in a divorce (and he made up with his wife years later and they have been happily married ever since). The other resulted from doing the right thing in reporting his employer for breaking the law.

There is no comparison to be made here.

The comparison is, like David Barlow, the leadership at Chick-Fil-A is getting abused for espousing his Christian beliefs. There appear to be a lot of people on this site who have difficulty with people expressing themselves.

I am certainly glad we live in the USA or somebody might be dragging Barlow out of his house in the middle of the night.

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Not so crazy, Steve

You accept Mr. Barlow's explanations for his two bankruptcies and that's your right. I don't, for reasons I have already stated on the second bankruptcy and also don't buy into the divorce reason for the first one. Plenty of folks unfortunately have to go through divorce and all that financial hardship that it can bring, but most don't do a Chapter 7, followed by another 8 years later.

You don't have to convince me on the spending done by other commissioners past and present....you're preaching to the choir there.

I don't believe Dan Cathy is getting "abused" either. He expressed his thoughts and people have reacted to it. While it's 90% a media-created story, a few idiot Mayors blew it up by basically saying they would block Chik-Fil-A from opening new stores, then immediately the next day after a firestorm from the same media as well as every lawyer in the world including the ACLU came down on their heads said "Uh...I didn't mean that literally. Uh...duh...maybe I shouldn't have said what I did" I go to Chik-Fil-A about 3 times a week and all this BS has meant to me is longer lines suddenly.

The great thing about people expressing themselves in the USA is that there is no right to free speech without consequences as long as they aren't from the govt. While that doesn't really matter in Chik-Fil-A's case where even the densest idiot already knew how Dan Cathy feels(the never open on Sunday isn't a giveaway to their principles?), it holds very true in local politics. Ask Don Haddix about that or look back on some of your own expressions of free speech. Or, Obama's "you didn't build it." Wow....thos Repubs sure are nasty for taking the President to task over those comments! They must not believe in FREE SPEECH!

Just because you have a right to say it doesn't means others have to accept it and not react themselves.

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Nuk and Hutch

You two are acting exactly like the Chick-Fil-A haters.

David Barlow is a Christian, so what. I am a Christian, so what.

No one is forcing the two of you to listen or read the posts. If you cannot accept David Barlow's perspective as a Christian, go on to the next letter to the editor. Unfortunately, it appears you cannot do it and feel compelled to bash a man for things that happened over 20 years ago.

There is a reason guys like Eric Maxwell bring stuff like this up in the first place, it's keeping the guys who refuse to go along with special interests out.

You two are like the little hater elfs that go around sowing discontent for no other reason than to keep guys like Barlow out.

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Oh, Nuk, please

I did not say, "... David Barlow is a Christian and anyone who disagrees with him becoming a FC commissioner must not share Christian views ..." shame on you.

You are making it up as you go, Nuk. What I said is that you and Hutch like to slam David Barlow for talking about his Christian faith.

On Hearn and the defined benefits plan, just watch if he gets re-elected. Remember, these are the same people who told you the early retirement plan was going to save a whole heap of money - it will not.

In fact, I remember when Public Works Director Lee Hearn chided me for not supporting the TDK Extension saying I did not want to relieve traffic on SR 54 - yeah right.

Stop slamming the guy for talking about his faith, good grief.

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Not slamming the guy because of his faith

When someone throws religion into a discussion about T-SPLOST("you'll have to answer to GOD!") then randomly into a conversation with Terry Garlock about nothing religious whatsoever, and then waves that flag about filing bankruptcy.......please. He interjects that as a self-defense mechanism when he's unhappy with someone's vote or wants to win an election.

No one is questioning his faith. They are questioning him using his faith to further himself and every criticism is some how null and void because he's a Christian. I AM A CHRISTIAN, STEVE. Is that so hard to understand?

You need to logoff and go to bed, unless you really think that those who voted in favor of the T-SPLOST will be held accountable by God for that. I assume that means those who voted against it get a free pass? Hurray!

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You did it again, Nuk

It is totally amazing that in your blog post entitled "Not slamming the guy because of his faith" you actually slam the guy because of his faith.

David Barlow believes there is a God. He believes God controls the ebb and flow of life. He believes that the lessons taught by Jesus are pretty good lessons for the practical application of all things in life.

Nuk, you and Hutch can agree with Barlow or not. But stop slamming the guy for what he believes.

Many Christians like David Barlow and me believe in the power of God, a force beyond human kind and nature, and we do not believe in coincidence. Many of us believe that God has a hand in everything. I would dare say the leadership of Chick-Fil-A believes the same way.

I will never hate you, Nuk, but I will also never stand for your marginalizing others because of their faith either.

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I am not about to judge anyone's level of faith.

There's not a Christian gauge where one end of scale is better than another.

Really, what is the difference between a Christian who talks openly about his/her faith and one who shares nothing openly?

As for the Cathy family, I cannot agree with you there. I post Dan Cathy's words below:

I often quote Dr. Charles Stanley's definition of success. He once said that success is about becoming the total person God wants you to be and accomplishing the goals that He has set for your life. Don't you love that? Think about that for a moment...

If success is about accomplishing the goals that God has set for our lives; that must mean that we've been created for something special. And it means and that we have all been perfectly designed to fulfill a specific purpose.

So, what have you been created to do? What does your success look like? You may not have the answer to that question, but you do have the opportunity every day to find out.

I love the illustration that a friend of mine once shared with me. He asked,"if a cup is filled half way, has it reached its potential? Of course not. If it’s 3/4 full, has it reached its potential? Not at all. What about if we take the cup and we fill it to the point that it is overflowing and spilling over the sides… Has the cup reached its potential?"

The answer is no.

A cup that is overflowing has only reached its capacity. The potential of that cup could be to serve the Queen, or to give a dying man his last drink of water. Perhaps the cup was made to provide fresh-squeezed lemonade to a Raving Fan at Chick-fil-A. Who knows?

When we take the perspective of living out our potential – not just our capacity – it’s easier to welcome tomorrow with warm hearts, open arms and eager minds. That’s when our lives go from just living out every day to actively seeking out our potential to succeed.
What does success mean to you?

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Steve Brown & "Cups"

Cups don't have "potential"--they have a "use" and that is whatever the "user" chooses to do. It's a meaningless discussion anyway.

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AtHomeGym

Tell Dan Cathy about the "cups" as the quote is his.

I like a CEO who is not afraid to share his faith, good for Dan Cathy and for Chick-Fil-A.

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Steve Brown - choose me

Steve - If you want to take someone to task for "slamming" Mr. Barlow - here I stand. It is perhaps I who started this particular controversy here by informing Mr. Barlow, in a post in this blog, that I did not see God or Jesus's name on the ballot. Though you point to "the leadership of Chick-Fil-A" in the sharing of belief, that is no true analogy. Truett (and Dan and Bubba) Cathy live their faith on a minute to minute and day by day basis, they run their business in the same fashion. They will, if you inquire, share that faith and their personal faith with you. But.... they do not, I repeat DO NOT, either wear it on their shirt sleeves or try to cram it down your throat.

I chose to respond to Mr. Barlow in a harsh fashion because he is running for public office - a position of representation for ALL of Fayette County residents, not just those of his particular brand of religion. I had hoped that he would get the message and perhaps learn from it - I believe that he did. His current opposition for office, Sheila Huddleston, is also a Christian, it is plainly posted on her website Bio and I will vote for her based on this and many other issues. I am aware that Jack Smith views himself as Christian also though there is no way on God's green earth that I would vote for Jack Smith ever again.

My point; there are Christians and then there are Christians. Unfortunately many people of many faiths, make the same mistake that most in the black community make; they assume that all of the coins in any particular fountain are of the same denomination or value. Most assuredly they are not.

My comments end with a a few words from Tecumseh - the great Shawnee philosopher - that are applicable to the subject at hand.

Chief Tecumseh's words of wisdom;

So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.

Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,
even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.

Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.

When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled
with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.

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Haddix: Mike - Faith

We have known each other a very long time. I know what you believe and you know what I believe. It is not the same belief.

But, it has never gotten in our way of working together or discussion on other topics.

You know I am strong in my beliefs, but when I ran for office and was asked about it, I told people I am not running for Preacher, but Councilman and then Mayor.

My office is to represent people of all faiths while not violating my own.

Now, with that said, I also have known David Barlow for awhile. We have talked about this issues and he now 'gets it' about not running for Preacher. He understands he can live his faith and be an example of it and NOT come across as pushing it. He promised me he will conduct himself in that manner.

I truly believe he is a good man who learns. He has learned on this issue. He is smart and his heart is in the right place. He cares about Fayette.

As for Huddleston, I cannot support someone who has failed to articulate clear stances on key issues. I have a great concern over her failing to file her CCDR. Also a bigger concern over being recruited and supported by such as Peter Pheifer.

Is she a nice person? I have no idea.

Does being a nice person making one a good Commissioner in and of itself? No.

Do I agree with Steve's approach on this one and in other areas? Honestly, no.

Don't let Steve's approach determine your vote.

You are a decent guy. Barlow is as well.

He does listen and think about what he is told.

I promise I will kick his butt when he needs it. A couple of other people will as well.

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Seventy-five a Month Without Found

"I promise I will kick his butt when he needs it."

The perfect instance of an alligator mouth overriding a hummingbird ass.

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Mike King on Hearn

Come to the Board of Commissioners meeting this week and Hearn of his intentions during the public comment section. Let's have that discussion.

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Steve Brown on Political Slander

It was you who claimed that the only reason Hearn was running was for the new retirement program. It's obviously you who is either a mind reader or a "spin" master. Care to make the distinction?

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Mike King and getting some 'learnin

Mike,run on down to that meeting and Steve can teach you how to plagarize Dan Cathy!

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Gym

You know as well as I, that the closest either of us have come to plagiarism is when we miss a quotation mark. Folks of our ilk have no issue giving credit.

BTW, I do not believe either of those on county commission could hold a candle to Dan Cathy.

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Yes, add to Nuk's list ...

We'll add slander, helping the Iranians getting the A-Bomb, devaluing the Euro and causing the loss of the US Women's team in the high jump in London.

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Mike King

You forgot LIAR as a choice.

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Christian, Steve?

"I will never hate you, Nuk, but I will also never stand for your marginalizing others because of their faith either."

Wow, Steve, how hypocritical of you. Just two days ago you stated that the only reason Lee Hearn was running was to receive the county retirement to which you knew he was ineligible as a commissioner. Could it be that you believe that YOU are the only one that is allowed to marginalize others?

With you as commission chair Fayette County is in for a ride. Perhaps with district voting in place your tenure will be only two years. Afetrwards you and Haddix can brag about the carnage you wrought as elected officials.

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You're one of the biggest haters on this site Mike King!

Talking about ego!! I'm surprised you can get your head through the doorway Mike and you don't do anything but complain.

We all know you hate Steve Brown. You remind us constantly but you still do nothing but nag, nag, nag!!

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Mr. Brown - A suggestion

What you fail to understand or choose to understand is that your candidate does not "wear" his faith well. Nor does he represent it well through his actions.

While I am at it, your political agenda is showing. NUK_1 has far more credibility on this board than you can ever hope to have here. I would suggest that in your defense of Mr. Barlow, at least on this forum, you have done him far more harm than good. My humble suggestion is that you attempt to convince other non-suspecting citizens somewhere else. You are simply movitativing a whole lot of people on this board to get out and vote against your candidate on August 21st.

Just trying to help you out here, take this advice or not. Try to rise above your ego for once for Mr. Barlow's best chance of winning the runoff.

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Steve, keep on dodging and clouding the issue

The issue isn't FAITH, it's the person. Is that so hard to comprehend? When some lunatic straps explosives across his/her chest and goes out in public and kills a bunch of people, is it that psycho's faith or is it that person? To me, it's the person. In their deluded minds, they are following their "faith" also.

If Hearn, Frady or Horgan had filed chapter 7 bankruptcy twice in 8 years, would you be letting that slide? Uh, no, you wouldn't. You'd be pounding that issue to all of your sheeple and this place would be full of that daily from the Amen choir of ginga, pips, etc. You give Barlow a free pass since you support him and any dirt on others opposed about how financially irresponsible they were is fair game. Politics are ugly, especially when practiced by hypocrites.

You have no problem at all with Barlow trying to apply a religious litmus test to Presberg for his faith or lack of, but celebrate Barlow's faith like the vast majority of FC feels differently and he's some kind of radical. Puh-leeze. The guy isn't drawing heat because of his faith; he's drawing negative comments based on how he tries to use his faith.

You are still dodging your repeated claims about Lee Hearn only running for re-election so he can qualify for the FC defined benefit plan. Did you step into some serious doo-doo here because from what I can tell, you did, and some would say your opinion is total BS and quite dishonest. Amazing how you think you know exactly what Hearn is thinking too and his motivations.

Does Lee Hearn qualify or not for the FC pension plan if he's re-elected? Real simple question there, but the next question is why do you think he does and the FC HR Director says otherwise apparently?

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dodge..obfuscate...throw the "hater" tag up

You think we sound like Chik-Fil-A haters even though we both eat there? You sound like a Dem who views any opposing viewpoint that isn't 100% in alignment with your own as a "hater."

If you don't think a candidate's personal background is a discussion topic when it comes time for elections, why do you always bring up Lee Hearn's employment at FC before he was a commissioner? After all, that was years ago!

The crap about how David Barlow is a Christian and anyone who disagrees with him becoming a FC commissioner must not share Christian views sounds straight out of the Taliban. Don't you realize that myself and most others opposed to Barlow have the same faith, regardless of whether we think God cares about whether T-SPLOST passed or not? Sounds like you are trying to make Barlow some kind of religious victim here and that's a joke.

You still haven't answered the question: can Lee Hearn or any other FC commissioner participate in the FC pension plan? You stated that's the only reason Hearn wants to be re-elected. I think you've been busted on that.

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Steve

Like I said, there is no comparison. I do think its funny how only you can have an opinion,and that's you all have here Steve, is an opinion, you try to pass it off as fact, but it's still just opinion. Like I've said before Steve, I just point out yours and your minions hypocrisy. If that makes you mad, don't read this response, or move on to your next response. You do a good job of ducking the hard questions anyway.

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Hutch

Remember Ronald Reagan's famous line, "There you go again, Hutch."

I enjoy letting everyone have an opinion. You are the one slamming David Barlow for adding Christianity to his conversation.

You are also the one slamming everyone with the "hypocrite" label (just look at your posts) in order to try to shut them up.

I like reading your responses. They make me reassured knowing that the voters usually go the other way. It encourages me.

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Lets see Steve, I voted for

Lets see Steve, I voted for Huddleston, she's in a virtual tie with Barlow, I voted for Marchman, he won. I voted for Oddo, he won. See a trend here Steve? When you and your minions stop being hypocrites, I'll stop mentioning it. I notice you never did answer NUK's question about the FC commissioners and the pension plan, I said you duck the hard questions and you just showed that side of your character again.

BTW Steve, maybe you can show me where I slammed Barlow about anything.

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Steve Brown

Your comparison is just apples and oranges, While Cathy was asked a question involving religion, Barlow interjects it into every subject.

While you put your post out here as fact, it is opinion only.

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Two bankruptcies, not one

Sorry, not who I want to have a vote on all the budgetary matters of FC. I also think it's hypocritical to slam the current commissioners for reckless spending after filing Ch 7 twice himself.

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Thank you Mr. Morgan for your questions

I spoke with Randy Ognio last evening and asked him if he would accept my nominating him for Chairman of the Fayette County Board of Commissioners. He told me he would have to think about it and would let me know shortly. I'll be happy to post an answer when I receive it.

I failed to insert the link to the letter Mr. Donald Smaltz, Independent Counsel, sent to The Honorable Albert Gore, Jr.
Vice President of the United States. Please scroll to item 3 and read about United States vs Richard E. Blackmore.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/oic/SMALTZ/reports/annal4th.htm

Should you wish to speak to me about any issue or my personal life, please feel free to call me at 770-722-6820.

DBarlow

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Mr. Barlow, Thanks For The Link

Thank you very much for the link. I haven't finished the entire piece but it is extremely interesting and very enlightening.

Thank you for sharing the information.

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Thank you for a direct answer

Please keep us informed.
I can see Mr. Oddo being the 3rd vote for Mr. Ognio, but please don't ask him yourself - that would be the worst kind of collusion. Besides that, we have people recording everything.

Of course if Hearn beats Ognio, you would have to nominate him. Right? Or Brown. What a dilemma.

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RWM - Prediction

Mr. Hearn will lose, it takes motivated people to go vote on August 21st. Based on the reports of the last commission meeting, I would say the turnout will be unusually large and not favorable to Mr. Hearn. IMHO

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PTCO - another prediction

Yes you are correct that only the motivated vote in a runoff in the middle of summer. What concerns me is that Hearn somehow got 7,000 votes and that must mean he has strong support and an organization. Puzzling, but I can think of no other reason for the 7,000 votes besides a strong and loyal support group. If that's true, he wins. How else can 7,000 people support this guy? Do they all own land near the WFB?

Ognio hasn't made much of an impression one way or the other. I doubt Hearn got a lot of votes because they don't like Ognio, so I'm chalking his votes up to the anti-incumbent crowd who is the real key to Aug 21 - if they show up on Aug 21 - it will be close and could go either way. If they are satisfied that Horgan and Smith lost and stay home - welcome Commissioner Hearn back for another term.

Of course Hearn is a real threat to Brown for his desire to be commission chair. I can see both Oddo and Huddleston nominating Hearn - and he'll probably deserve it if he and his supporters win the runoff. Barlow says he'll nominate Ognio, but that won't work. What's going to be funny is when McCarty votes for someone other than Brown for commission chair and Hearn or possibly Oddo wins 4-1.

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You're another one Robert Morgan

You always cause trouble and you're usually wrong. You and Mike King ought to go the men kissing men thing at the Chick fil a at CNN. You both were made for each other. Still don't know how Steve Brown puts up with it.

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Johenry

Thank you for providing valuable, fact-based insight to this discussion. I enjoy the fact that you took the time to be respectful of all opinions!

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Hearn's base

Consists of family and friends but more importantly county workers, their family and friends. There's your 7,000.

If we want more expensive, defined benefits plans, etc., you vote for Hearn. If you want to attempt to actually control an out of control commission you vote for ANYONE else including Oddo. I believe at the end of the day Mr. Brown will self-destruct, just like Jack Smith. Ego always gets them thrown out of office. If there is anyone that Mr. Brown is in love with, it's Mr. Brown.

See you there on August 21st

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I don't think the county has more than 3 or 400 employees

even including the sherrif's dept. So even with all their spouses, children and neighbors on both sides, hard to come up with 7,000. But even if you are half-right, meaning 3 or 4,000 support him because it benefits them financially - watch out! People voting themselves benefits will turn out in big numbers - remember Obama 2008?

Ognio and Huddleston are my choices. We have no room for another attention-seeking chest pounder on that commission, so Barlow is not being considered by anyone in my house.

Those are my choices, here are my predictions - very low voter turnout and the Hearn supporters and theBrown/Barlow supporters turn out more people and their guys win. Brown becomes commission chair in January. NUK 1, Morgan, PTCO, At Home Gym, Spyglass, istilldon'tknow and Hutch all move to Serenbe.

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County employees number 752

The FY 2013 budget shows a total of 752 employees which is basically unchanged from FY 2012. You can confirm that figure by downloading the Fayette County budget for FY 2013.

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Well there you go Mudcat

752....adjust all my numbers upward accordingly. Mr. Hearn has a pretty large base, the question remains is everyone going to stay home on August 21st and let him get re-elected?

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That seems like a lot of employees for a small to medium county

If you add in the city employees from PTC, Fayetteville, Tyrone that means we have more than one government worker for each 100 citizens. Are we that hard to regulate? Maybe our newly elected commissioners can look into how much we could save with a 5 or 10% staff reduction.

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Not moving, why miss the comedy?

But if I did, Savannah Historic District here I come.

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Mudcat - Last count

I heard was 680, but that was couple of years ago. Things may have changed but given the budget increases, I don't think so.

So, assuming that they could muster 80% turnout of each employee that gives us, 544. Now let's further assume that 80% of those get their spouse to vote, that's another 435 so that gets us up to 1,000 or so. Now let's further assume that these couples have at least one other person of voting age in their family, aunt, uncle, cousin that they can get out to vote. Now we're up to 2,000. Now here's the kicker, what about all those contractors and other consultants that benefit from someone on the commission that grant them no-bid contracts? Well, let's just assume that their are about 5,000 people somehow associated with this group, employees of contractors, family, etc. I would say 90% turnout for this group. Finally, let's don't forget all those that are swayed by Mr. Hearn standing on a street corner waving and smiling. What's he smiling about anyway? Is he thinking how stupid we are? I so hate this practice since Mr. Brown started it years ago.

So, you see Mudcat, Mr. Hearn can get there easily with his "base". The question is will we let him?

See you at the polls on August 21st.

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Thanks PTCO, that explains a lot about Hearn's base

Truly scary numbers, but believable. And yes indeed that group will have a high turnout rate. Sounds like an uphill battle for Ognio - especially if Stopford doesn't support him. Going to take an enormous effort by Ognio.

BTW, Brown didn't start the standing on the street nonsense. That was the late, great Dan Lakly. I respected Dan, but always thought that kind of stuff was strange - especially for candidates for judge. Just plain weird. No Brown is never a pioneer, only a follower of populist nonsense. Lakly 1991, Brown 2000.

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Lakly - RWM

I had the honor of meeting Mr. Lakly shortly before his untimely death, I had nothing but respect for the man, he always seemed to have the best interests in our community.

Also, thanks for the local history of street waving. I still don't like it, even though there are those like Judge Carla M. that I could watch all day. Beauty and brains too what combination! ;-)

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Mudkitty & predictions

You may be right--if you are, we'll just leave you right here with Mr. I, I Me,Me! Like your choices, would like to know who Stopford will support--could be key!

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I'm positive Stopford was running against Hearn, not Ognio

So logically she would support Ognio since he is now opposing Hearn. But she hasn't said anything and I'm not sure how many of her supporters would transfer that easily to Ognio. Usually easier for them to stay home. If she's going to have an impact, she needs to come out strong this week.

Of course this is one of those low turnout things where even 100 votes makes a difference.

Actually if Brown becomes chairman I have no intention of leaving. I will be taking over Mr. Barlow's job of videoing county commission meetings and even city council meetings as long as Haddix is still there. Unlike Mr. Barlow, I intend to edit selectively so that we can show our two village idiots to be more ridiculous than they already are. Maybe do a narration on the tape like Rush does sometimes with Obama speeches. Probably clown music when either begins to speak. YouTube fame is my new job.

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Lee Hearn is at 54/74 right now

When has he ever spent any time in PTC when not running for office?

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MLC & Hearn

Yeah, he was at the Farmers Mkt about 3 Saturdays ago--shook my hand, never told me his name, just said "I'm one of your county commissioners"; I wanted to say "Yeah, but not for long!" but my wife had already beseeched me not to get into a discussion with him!

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AHG-Hearn & peaches

Going thru the intersection, he was the recipient of my thumbs down endorsement. I think he understood the message. No shaking hands, no discussion, just a big fat no thumb.

By the way, I don't think I told you, i went to Carroll Farm last weekend and got some peaches. Delicious. Probably going to get some more next weekend, if they have any left. I went out to that farmers market in Sharpsburg at the church. A bunch of just about nothing. Got some tomatoes, gonna have some BLT's tonight. Not really worth the trip unless you have another errand to run out there.

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Dynamite summer peaches drink

AHG-MLC, couldn't let the opportunity pass since peaches are still in season. Here's my favorite summer drink, I call it simply "Peaches."

Empty 1 small can of frozen pink lemonade into a blender.

Use the can to measure 3/4 can of good vodka (whole can if you are wild) into blender.

1 large (or 2 small) pitted peach into blender, skinned if you like, I usually leave it on.

Add lots of ice, blend and serve with caution.

This stuff tastes so good you could wake up at dawn on your front lawn in your underwear.

I used to love Peaches, and I've been tempted but have not made any this summer because I know one sip and I'll drink the whole blender. That would have been OK in a prior life but I quit most of my drinking when I had kids, so, I'll enjoy when you tell me how good it was.

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Terry & Peaches

Terry, that really sounds good, but I've never cared for 'fruity' drinks. I do love those fresh peaches though, just sliced with no adornment. You really wear underwear under your camis?

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tg-Peaches

I, too have toned way down the enjoyment of fruity (and other) beverages. Certain meds will dictate that, too. Although, from your recipe above, I just might be tempted.

I have some new neighbors who really get on my nerves on a bad day. I just might give them reason to reconsider their move in a hurry if I were to be seen with only (or without, pray tell) my undies at the crack of dawn when they venture out to get this most excellent publication called The Citizen off from their dewy driveway.

Of course,I could also risk being a story in this most excellent publication, too, if I were to partake of Peaches (see above).

Thank you for the most welcome and refreshing sounding recipe of the day. Stay tuned.

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MLC & Tomatoes

Plenty of very good tomatoes at the PTC Farmers Mkt today. Am sure there will be more on Wednesday! Glad you liked the peaches--this was a very good year.

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MLC & Hearn

Yeah, he was at the Farmers Mkt about 3 Saturdays ago--shook my hand, never told me his name, just said "I'm one of your county commissioners"; I wanted to say "Yeah, but not for long!" but my wife had already beseeched me not to get into a discussion with him!

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What about your creditors?

Dear Mr. Barlow,
We still await you elucidation as to how you handled your financial obligations AFTER your Christian conversion. I would assume that you repaid all creditors shorted in your bankruptcy out of the gratitude for your own spiritual debt repayment and because it was moral and ethical thing to do. Please set the record straight for us voters.

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Christian Defense of Mr. Barlow's Bankruptcies

"Stranger than Fiction" is oftentimes simply the truth.

Mr. Barlow undertook the legally sanctioned remedy of bankruptcy. Little did you know, Stranger, that the historical root of bankruptcy is the Bible. In the Old Testament of Deuteronomy, we are told that that once every 7 years, creditors "shall release their debtors from debt." This continued in American bankruptcy until 2004 when the credit card industry strong-armed Congress in to extending it to 10 years. Even in the New Testament Gospel, Jesus taught us the Lord's prayer and said "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors." Jesus meant that we should forgive others of their sins in general and their debts in particular.

With many fellow Fayette Countians facing bankruptcy and foreclosure (or contemplating the same) Mr. Barlow may in fact be uniquely qualified for the position.

I hope that additional education clears up your confusion.

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Interesting reasoning

Let me make sure that I understand the logic: Mr. Barlow refuses to pay his bills and declares bankruptcy. He subsequently has a Christian conversion. His creditors are required to adopt Old and New Testament teachings and forgive his debts graciously (following Jesus' prayer), but Mr. Barlow is under no requirement to follow any ethical or moral requirement to go beyond the law and follow the Zacchaeus example (Luke 19) of demonstrating appreciation for salvation by quadrupling repayment of money taken from others.

So in effect, your logic suggests that Christians may mount up any debts they wish and default on them without compunction. However, their creditors must follow Biblical directives of forgiveness. Zacchaeus just didn't get the memo.

Furthermore, Mr. Barlow's experience with wholesale defaults on his debts enhances his candidacy and makes him "uniquely qualified for the position." I assume this is due to his ability to teach others how to avoid their debts and demand Christian charity from their creditors.

And we wonder why Christian conversions and church attendance are dwindling. Manipulated truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

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Stranger, I would agree that

Stranger, I would agree that Christian conversions and attendance are down. If you polled all Americans 98% have heard of that Jesus guy and 98% could finish the sentence "God is [FILL IN BLANK]" with the correct answer--- LOVE. So, Americans know the very basic theology. They just don't embrace it (nor do Euorpeans). Modern Americans want something more convenient, nothing that is demanding and nothing that is judgmental. Seeker Friendly churches serve latte, don't judge, don't expect and don't demand. At the same time, despite a horrific scandal involving a handful of sinning priests, the light of the Catholic Church burns brightly. People want authenticity and that means sacrifice to God.

Anyone who runs for office puts the most personal details of their life under a microscope. Perhaps Mr. Barlow will disappoint us. His faith may prove real or feigned. But I personally think that the fact that he filed bankruptcy is irrelevent.

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Mr Barlow injected Christianity into the issue.

Cogitoergofay,

It sounds like when fed back to you in a starkly logical format, you shy away from your explanation. Indeed it is the Christian who is to forgive, not necessarily the non-Christian. Expecting Christian graces from nonbelievers would be illogical.

Regardless of the state of Christianity around the world, I am still waiting for Mr. Barlow to help us understand how his conversion (that he freely injected into the discussion) affected his moral and ethical responsibilities to his creditors. His two week silence on this question is unfortunate since he brought up the topic.

Pips1414,

No one said that filing bankruptcy is a damnable sin. However, Mr. Barlow points to his conversion as a life-changing event that provides him a "pass" for his financial mismanagement. There is a clear restitution model from Luke 19 of the practical response an ethically challenged convert made immediately upon coming to Christ, and Jesus commended Zacchaeus strongly for his practical Christianity. Mr. Barlow may have done the same. He hasn't yet told us.

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Still Waiting to hear from Mr. Barlow

We're all still awaiting your response Mr. Barlow. Did you follow Zacchaeus' model?

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Stranger than.....

Zacchaeus knew Christ personally, the question is does Mr. Barlow? I have my doubts.

My experience in business suggests that you should use great caution when dealing with those that wear the Christian faith on their sleeve. Many but not most use God's forgiveness as an excuse to rationalize their misdeeds. After all if they are forgiven, then they falsely belief whatever they do will ultimately be forgiven. Really bad mistake if Hell exists, don't you think?

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cogit

Can I interpret this to mean that in a christian theocracy debt would go away in 7 years?

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Well, SPQR, I don't know what

Well, SPQR, I don't know what the law would be in a "Christian theocracy". Although Jesus was the greatest philosopher of love, picayune decisions like speed limits and zoning were too micro and too secular for the Great Teacher. Heck, he was only here 33 years.

But, even under some form of bankruptcy, some debts don't go away like some taxes, family obligations and criminal/unlawful conduct debts.

In a perfect world....I will ponder that one. Good question, SPQR.

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many fellow citizens facing bankruptcy and foreclosure

From: cogitoergofay-. . . . With many fellow Fayette Countians facing bankruptcy and foreclosure (or contemplating the same) Mr. Barlow may in fact be uniquely qualified for the position. . . .

Thank you cogitoergofay! I agree 100%!! Mr. Barlow and many many others are more than qualified to conduct county business as they have gained mounds of knowledge about legal and financial institutions by their personal experiences. Conflict, confusion, corruption brought about by our legal and financial systems is mind boggling to say the least. Anyone who has the tenacity and survives a conflict involving either our current legal or financial system is more than qualified to sit on a board running a county commission!

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Well then, i need to borrow 20k

From you.

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stf: I would like to hear that too

Especially how Chapter 7 bankruptcy somehow immunizes you against future lawsuits when it doesn't. That part of the tale seemed to register 100 on the BS meter.

You can discharge all debts, liens, etc except for student loans, child support and IRS liens, but filing Chapter 7 doesn't mean that any future judgements against you are wiped out. You don't file Chapter 7 bankruptcy to get out of future debts; you do it to get out of current debt and judgments.
You may be a less inviting target for collectors once you file, but that doesn't mean in the future you are shielded from claims after your bankruptcy. He knows this since he filed it twice in 8 years but his story sounded like he filed only to keep people from suing him and that's simply BS.

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Mr. Barlow

I didn't vote for you and won't for you in the run-off. That said, you have no obligation to any voter or potential voter in the run-off to state who or why you would vote for any person as chairperson in January. First off, chairperson isn't like Dictator of FC who can do things that others commissioners can't.

I have no doubt that you can stand as an elected commissioner by yourself without it being tied to who you may/may not vote for as commission chair. Seems rather obvious to me that first you have to be elected before that's even a question, and people trying to tie this race into whether or not Steve Brown is next chair is wrong, IMO.

I don't agree with Brown's tactics or some of your views but this race between you and Huddleston should be about you and Huddleston, not who is going to vote or not for someone to be the next chairperson.

Not voting for you David, but thanks for giving a damn and caring, whether some think you're a toadie of Brown's or not. I've met you, and I don't think you're an acolyte to any politician, but you still kind of scare me with your religious-injection into issues that I don't think have anything to do with God and shouldn't.

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