Fayette BOE announces three finalists for superintendent

The Fayette County Board of Education in a meeting Tuesday night announced the names of three finalists in the search for the person to replace retired Superintendent John DeCotis, including a name familiar to many.

The finalists included former school system Assistant Superintendent Lyn Wenzel, Dr. Jeffrey Byron Bearden and Dr. Roy “Cole” Pugh.

Additional information on the finalists will be provided by the school system Wednesday. That information will be posted here when it is made available.

Board Chairman Terri Smith announced that the new superintendent will be chosen at a future meeting of the school board.

Of the three, Wenzel is a veteran of the Fayette School System.

She retired from the system a year ago as the assistant superintendent for instruction, one of two assistant superintendents under Dr. John DeCotis. When she left in the summer of 2009, Wenzel was making the second highest pay in the system: $131,459, according to a story in The Citizen.

Prior to her transfer to the system’s central office in 2003 as the county’s director of curriculum, Wenzel was the long-time principal of J.C. Booth Middle School in Peachtree City.

Wenzel was Booth’s principal in 2000 when the school won its fifth straight championship in the National Science Olympiad.

Neither Deputy Superintendent Fred Oliver nor Assistant Superintendent Sam Sweat applied for the position.

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Pugh and Bearden Not Good For Fayette County

After reading the information provided by The Citizen, I am quite alarmed at these two candidates. They both seemed obsessed with test scores. I realize that's trend today in education but I would like to see a superintendent who can focus on a few other things besides test scores. Whenever you hear the words, "data driven", it's not a good thing. It means teachers will spend more time giving standardized tests and analyzing scores rather than preparing good and meaningful instruction that gets kids excited about learning. The strong focus on test scores doesn't get kids interested in learning. It just makes them hate these kinds of tests. We don't have a problem with test scores. But we do have some problems within the county office. I believe Wenzel will be able to address some of those problems.

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ARE YOU CRAZY?

You said, "But we do have some problems within the county office. I believe Wenzel will be able to address some of those problems."

ARE YOU CRAZY? Wenzel was a HUGE part of the problem at the county office. Tell us what you think she could address. BE VERY SPECIFIC. She is a integral part of the "good old boy/girl network" which is doing enormous damage to a good school district.

She was always more interested in making herself "look good" and look important that doing anything of substance during her years at the county office. NAME HER CONTRIBUTIONS to Fayette County from her tenure there. She was just another unneeded bureaucrat. She, like many at that level, created work for teachers and administrators to make her own job appear to be an essential one. As others have indicated, she is no rocket scientist.

Her greatest service to Fayette County was her retirement. Please, let's not change that.

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No. Are You Crazy?

Have you read the other information provided by the other 2 candidates? Are you kidding me? I can guarantee that based on what I read we will end up with more problems in county office if the board hires either of those two. Other people here are making comments and they don't even know her and have never met her. That's just wrong. There are some teachers at Booth who don't like her. But their are many who do and had a great deal of respect for her. She fully supported teachers if they were doing their job.

When Lyn did work in county office, she was the only person I could email with a concern and she would actually answer my email. I believe she will look at ways we can reduce the overhead at the county office. The other two candidates are completely unaware that there are useless administators at the county level and thus will probably do little to address that issue.

As a teacher who worked for, I never remember her creating meaningless work for us to do. If you are worried about that, then reread the info about the other two candidates. They both used the word data driven. That translates into meaningless work for teachers and more hoops teachers have to jump through.

I always found her professional. Just because her original degree is in physical education, that doesn't mean she is unintelligent. At first, I was dead set on the board hiring an outside person that didn't have any connections to the county. But I'm not impressed with the other two candidates at all.

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For the record...I have a

For the record...I have a life...a very full and wonderful life. This teacher is also here in the country legally and depending on what kind of visa one has and what country they come from then you would know that some visas subject legal residents to pay taxes. Do you know how many students I've taught who were here illegally? And do you know that my tax dollars still had to help educate them? Additionally...my family came here...legally...helped farm this land...and were a part of building this nation. You just assumed that because I'm proud of my heritage that I am not also an American. Just so happens that I can trace my family all the way from the Isle of Jura...but I was born in a little town called Atlanta...perhaps you're familiar.

Finally...I don't have "inside" information about the money issue. It is a matter of public record, was noted in previous articles, and can be obtained by asking.

I wasn't insulting you, this country, this county, or anyone else for that matter as you feel the need to insult me. I was merely pointing out that had an American citizen applied for and been qualified for the position over the teacher who was hired then I'm sure that person would have been hired. I took a huge pay cut to come to this county from a neighboring county. I took another cut last year. I lost money from furlough days, but was given that money back due to the wise choices made by our leadership. I was just trying to get people to see that this country is about opportunity and that opportunity should be fair, legal, and just. No one is asking to be given special treatment. Politics don't need to get in the way of what I'm about...giving the kids a global view and respect for everyone.

That's the beauty of this country...you have your opinion and I have mine. Maybe the difference is that I respect yours and respectfully choose to disagree. Ultimately, I wish you peace.

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It's a shame that you don't even know this teacher

#1 Calm the heck down.

#2 I am a drama, dance, and English teacher. I have three degrees. I am certified to teach Theatre and English. Have been since '93. I've also had to teach Geography when there weren't enough teachers around. I have won countless awards, worked as a professional actor, dancer, singer, choreographer, and director and have had more students win scholarships in the arts, (which are VERY hard to win because they are so limited and competitive) and make in into the Governor's Honors Program than teachers who have been teaching twice as long as I have. On top of all that, I am hilarious and have great hair...but I digress.

#3 What you don't realize is this: McIntosh has had FIVE teachers in the THREE years since I've worked for this county. One had health issues, one left after a year to pursue an advanced degree, one didn't make it through this past school year because of his actions. In the mix, two long term subs filled in the gaps.

#4 What you also don't realize is the number of AMERICAN teachers that the principal interviewed for this position. They couldn't find anyone who met the standards our county expects.(and don't you dare say ANYTHING about it being easy to get certified in this field!) The teacher they hired had more years of experience, won a $10,000 grant for the school she worked for in a different Georgia county, and is brilliant. She didn't just show up off the boat yesterday and try to take a job from any American. She's been working in our education system for five years at a rate of pay FAR LOWER than an American teacher with the same education. AND...she has done so legally and at great personal expense.

#5 Who the heck cares where a teacher comes from if they ARE GIVING THE VERY BEST TO OUR KIDS!!! One of THE BEST teachers at my school is Nigerian and is difficult to understand sometimes, but his students ace AP tests and do amazingly well in college because of his ability to teach and not what his native country happens to be.

#6 I'm used to the clowns who think that PE and Drama teachers have it easy or that our degrees were easy to obtain, but that's because people who say that garbage don't understand what we do FOR THE KIDS! We teach them how to use their academic knowledge and apply it to REAL LIFE ISSUES like working as part of a team, creative problem solving, pushing themselves beyond the ordinary limits, thinkng for themselves, and most importantly living with integrity and regard to what others face.

Most of us work 14-18 days TAKING CARE OF YOUR KIDS. We give up summer and weekend time and family events to give the kids what they need...OUR TIME and EXPERTISE. We are the teachers who sit and wait with your kid while we wonder why you didn't pick them up on time or come to their game or performance. We are the ones who pick up the pieces when no one else wants to help. We aren't trying to turn out movie stars or major sports stars...we're just trying to turn out quality human beings and our vehicle just happens to be something you think is frivolous.

#7 If you can find an American teacher who will work for a fraction of what they should be paid and receive NO MEDICAL BENEFITS OR RETIREMENT, but STILL PAY AMERICAN TAXES while being held to the same standard as all other teachers then please introduce them to the Director of Human Resources. If you can find an American teacher who would work FOR FREE just to help save the kids from having a canceled show and who has inspired teachers and students alike then by golly gosh BRING 'EM ON!

And if that $8000 is such a problem for you and you don't even know what that money is for then I'll be happy to cash out a few retirement years to pay the county back because I'd rather have to give up retiring on time if it means that these kids get the best PERSON AND TEACHER in front of them every single day. Spend five minutes with this person of quality, talent, and dedication who happens to have a cool accent and you'd probably bring it down a notch.

OH and...FYI......................I PAY TAXES THAT PAY MY SALARY AND...wait for it...I'M SCOTTISH!!! Just sayin'...

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addressing #4 of sandpiper

Why were there not any acceptable applicants that met the FC standards?

Because Fayette County is incapable of attracting quality teachers? What is the draw to come here? The high pay- hahahhahahaha!! The affordable housing? Another big hahahahahahaha!!! What do we have to offer to someone starting out in life? (Answer-not much)

Or, is it because the local colleges/universities are not sending applicants our way? Or are they just not sending quality applicants?

Or, are the kids in Georgia schools not majoring in drama? No one wants to be a drama teacher?

Or, could it be the contents of the 2nd paragraph of item #6....no one wants to sit and wait with kids when the parents can't be bothered to p/u on time?

I'm not opposed to hiring the Australian teacher if she is the best candidate. I'm just wondering, where are all the good (American) drama teachers going? Being a drama teacher I am sure that you have an opinion. What is it?

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I think part of the problem

I think part of the problem is that drama jobs are so few and far between (most schools only need one or two teachers as opposed to needing 15 or 20 in an acacemic area) that you just don't see as many college students choosing that path.

The other problem in Georgia is that there is only one school in this state that offers a theatre education program so a person could get the required degree. As with so many things, the arts always take the first cuts so when colleges trim the budget they get rid of those areas that aren't impacting a massive portion of their enrollment. If you look across the country you'll find more and more schools that are cutting all kinds of arts programs.

And finally, I truly think more and more people are choosing other careers or leaving education altogether because the pay and the hours (especially in the arts) just don't match. Couple that with having no funding to run a program like drama (an average musical costs about $10,000 to produce so you can imagine how much fundraising has to happen)and the nonstop barrage of "drama isn't a real subject" and it's easy to understand why some people don't want to fight through that.

In a case like McIntosh, a few of the people interviewed were fresh out of college with no experience. If they were interviewing for a drama position that had a strongly established and stable program then there wouldn't be as much of an issue of hiring someone brand new. In this case however, the principal clearly knew that they were going to need someone with the training and experience to repair the damage that has been done because of the turnover.

It's a shame that so many young people aren't pursuing education whether in theatre or other areas because ultimately the kids are the ones who suffer.

These are all just my theories. Ultimately, whatever the reason we just have to do our best to support the kids.

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Drama Teachers

Most High Schools have always used a teacher who had some experience as an actress in college plays or otherwise---didn't have to have that particular degree!
As to local choices I must say that as a drama teacher it is imperative that they are able to clearly speak the Queen's English---even if it has an Australian accent---something which many of our teachers in the Atlanta area can not do as they were not required to learn how, all of their entire life, including college.
Teaching Trig or Calculus or science or a foreign language is somewhat different as to clear English being required. That is mostly on paper or on the computer.
We must somehow weed out poor instructors and administrators early if we are to succeed in the teaching of our children---at which we are currently failing. Salaries is NOT the main culprit---favoritism is.

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I absolutely agree. It is

I absolutely agree. It is disturbing when I hear fellow American teachers unable to use proper grammar.

Just to clarify...there was a time when teachers were allowed to teach in an area in which they weren't certified or even in an area in which they had no training. As long as more than half of their classes were in their field they could teach outside of their certification. That's how I was able to teach Geography early on in my career even though I had no degree in that area. Fortunately, I'm good in that subject so my students didn't suffer.

A few years ago the standards were changed. Teachers must be "highly qualified" meaning they must hold certification in what they teach for the majority of their day. They aren't supposed to teach a subject for which they have no college training either (not that it doesn't happen, but technically it isn't supposed to happen).

If a person wants to teach drama, they must hold a degree in the area and be fully certified. They can't just have done a play in college. (it used to be that way, but not anymore...and thank goodness because now kids are winning scholarships in theatre because of the expertise of their teachers)

Many people think that it must be easy and don't understand that we teach computer skills on light boards, mathematical skills in set building, money management skills in ticket sales and show expenses, and legal issues related to licensing shows. It isn't just about putting on a cute show for the grandparents day.

Most importantly, these elective areas are oftentimes the reason kids show up for school and don't give up their academics. These are the things that make them feel invested in their school. Many people don't realize that teachers in any area of the arts have honor grads and academic achievers in their programs. They learn self-discipline that helps them achieve academically.

People also don't realize that statistically, kids who are given instruction in the arts score a minimum of 60 to 80 points higher on standardized tests like the SAT. It makes a difference. (read a book called Arts with the Brain in Mind...great info on how the arts actually impact academic performance.)

You couldn't be more right in wanting to weed out the poor instructors and that's why we have to push to give the kids the very best teachers.

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Sounds like you have inside knowledge

"7 If you can find an American teacher who will work for a fraction of what they should be paid and receive NO MEDICAL BENEFITS OR RETIREMENT, but STILL PAY AMERICAN TAXES"

Where oh where do you get your info? Do you realize Alien's pay no taxes on things in the US?

What is more interesting is you state...'who will work for a fraction of what they should be paid and receive no medical or retirement."

How do you know how much the headhunters are paying her? If you are so righteous, tell it...if you don't, you are just waving in the wind. And believe me, we have enough of that going on in this election.

I don't know, nor care, where you came on the scene. What I can tell you is this.

Mine and other families have been in this country since 1700s. Fought and died for this country. They are the whites...they aren't gonna give an inch.

The Blacks in this county, came as early as 1600s-1700s as well. Some whites came as indentures...the blacks came with a closed door. Generations were slaves. They paid dearly.. and are ...NOT.. letting your little aliens step to the front of the line either.

If you think for one minute these people who have made this county what it is today, and struggled for a better life for their kids, are gonna let you, headhunters, and people who want a way in to this country the easy way, at the head of the line, think again. You will not do it on our backs. sorry. If need be, we can all refuse to pay out property taxes till this is resolved to the advantage of the taxpayers, kids, and founders of this country. Go peddle it someplace else!

Everyone here paid their dues for generations. Much more than your little claim that aliens pay taxes? Get a life.

Our kids come first! Our children who are teachers should be given 1st choice. Smola seemed to have no problem with her's stepping to the head of the line. Non accredited in front of accredited.

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your name wouldn't be Smola would it

Oh, but wait, he isn't accredited!

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Um...you accredit schools and

Um...you accredit schools and certify teachers. And...Smola is a she...not a he.

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there are 2 Smolas

onefemale on the board and her son is a male who is unaccredited. Accredited teachers applied. Not hired more than 3 years ago. Isn't that interesting. Check the salary on Ga open government. 2 or 4 percent raise for reg teachers. 28,000 to around 38000ish if memory serves me 2008/2009...look. That is something like a 30pct raise isn't it?

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Suggarfoot on GA Salary info

Suggarfoot. The only problem with the info on the state site is it is the amount that was paid during the fiscal year not necessarily the annual salary. If someone worked less than a full year then worked a full year it may appear to be a large increase. Dont know if that is the case. FYI

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When you googled that name

did you notice there were really 3? I'm very Leary of what is going on. I've heard the woman is good. I'm not trying to take anything away from that. What I am TOTALLY AGAINST...is hiring from a foreign country at the drop of a hat.

We have had some incredibly gross things done. The taxpayers and children have suffered. My child is ..not.. a teacher. But I have great respect for the ones that are. I will do everything in my power to see that this is not wholesale done in the future. I mean it with all my heart!

TEACHERS...WANT JOB SECURITY? VOTE FOR DR TODD...HE WANTED A BETTER LOOK AT QUALIFIED LOCALS AND WAS NOT FURNISHED WITH HOW MUCH THIS TEACHER WILL BE PAID...

There is something rotten with this. It should be spelled out how much this woman is paid. If the lions share is going to the headhunter...this should come out and the company should never be used.

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Thanks "LifeIsGood".

Just knowing Janet Smola and Terri Smith were involved in choosing Lyn Wenzel is enough to convince me Lyn Wenzel is NOT a good candidate for superintendent. Fayette County voters, please be in prayer and ask God to guide and direct our choice for superintendent."if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14. We need divine intervention from on high!

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS FAYETTE COUNTY!!

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Wenzel? Really? That is the best you could do?

As a tax paying citizen, I am DEEPLY disturbed the board could not find 3 contestants for the new superintendent position who do not have direct ties to the county. Lyn Wenzel has direct ties to Terri Smith. Between 12 to 15 years ago, Lyn Wenzel and Terri Smith, along with 3 other families, purchased 25+ acres of property on Banks Town Road in Brooks. Terri Smith and her husband built a large "barn", lived in it, and finally built a monster of a home on the land. Lyn Wenzel could not build her home, since she was divorcing the man who was living in her basement. To date she still owns the property on Banks Town Road, in what is known as the "Educators compound". Smith and Wenzel have deep ties to each other. I would seriously question why Lyn Wenzel is one of the 3 top contenders.

In addition, Lyn Wenzel has been known to "pull" many strings and favors when it comes to her children and career. One such event can be traced back to the 2008-2009 school year, when Wenzel's son attended McIntosh High School. During the early school day, Wenzel's son was involved in a "confrontation" where he pulled a knife on another student. This was kept EXTREMELY quiet. Her son was never put before a tribunal. She enrolled him in a private school within 24 hours of the event. (Wouldn't it be nice if all parents could "afford to bail" their children out of stupid mistakes?)

During this time, Lyn Wenzel "retired" from Fayette County with only 10 years of service making $133K. She took a job with the state making $70K? Mathematically, this doesn't make any sense. Her job in Fayette was not threatened. She left in "good" standings. Was this job change because she knew in 18 to 24 months she could reapply for the County Superintendent position and people would forget her past? After all, how much will her new salary be? In this day and time, who leaves $133K to work for $70K? What was she running from? She applied for the superintendent position in Spalding and did not get it? Why? Did they see through her intentions too?

My biggest concerns....Do we really need a superintendent who has financial ties and close relationships with board members, plus does not allow her children to face the consequences of their actions? Do the other 2 gentlemen even have a chance, or were their names tossed into the ring so it doesn't appear we did not look outside our own borders? Did they waste their time and energy on a position that has already been promised to someone else? Wenzel worked in Fayette County only 10 years. In her 10 years, she held 3 different positions, and those who worked with her, can tell you how unpleasant she is.

Do we want Lyn Wenzel, who has a sketchy past record as our future superintendent? The only 2 board members who see through this facade seem to be the 3-"2" voters. Funny, they are also life long educators.

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Wenzel is poor choice, HOWEVER

Wenzel would be a very poor choice for superintendent, HOWEVER, "lifeisgood" needs to doublecheck the info posted above. Elsewhere on this site (http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/07-14-2010/details-released-superinte...) you will find that Wenzel worked for Fayette County for almost 20 years - not 10 years as "lifeisgood" has posted. Her retirement after 30 years in Georgia public schools was a logical one because she could receive 60% of her salary.

As I have noted elsewhere on this forum, Wenzel is vindicative and arbitrary. She was a poor administrator for almost 20 years, how could she be a good superintendent? I don't know if the other information "lifeisgood" has posted is true or not. It really doesn't affect my opinion. Why? Because those who know Wenzel will strongly attest that she should not be the next superintendent based on her performance, or lack thereof, in Fayette County Schools.

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wenzel-another thing that needs verification

Regarding the incident with her son, I have heard (someone please verify if you know for sure) that she was very unprofessional in her dealings with the situation at hand and displayed such behaviors as yelling at her boss and demanding certain concessions. I've also heard that there were no police involved either. If this is true, a knife and NO police involvement, then I guess the rest of us should expect the same treatment should, God forbid, our kids do something similar.

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Given Wezel's history with Terry Smith

Terry Smith should excuse herself from the vote. If she doesn't, others should demand it. I don't see any reason why Mr Oliver shouldn't stay as acting sup till after the elections and the new BOE is elected. They are the ones that should vote.

I also think to NOT be taken out of the running, this deal with her son needs to be explained more to the public. I wonder why Smith has been allowed to vote?

Smith and Smola will make sure this vote is cast before the new members take their seats. Then, if they can make the public believe and uneducated man is superior to one with Dr Todd's background,...next step..."let's get some more cheap green card aliens to guinea pig the kids with! Maybe by that time we can have enough pratice at this to ballance the budget. Someone tutor Charlie, or put a string down his sleeve so we can raise his hand and vote"

It is all about power.

http://dekalbschoolwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/superintendent-lewis-pat-p...

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/new-questions-about-how-385505.html

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/05/26/shocker-grand-jury-ind...

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NEW superintendent

As a Fayette County teacher I hope and actually am praying that the appointment of the new superintendent will bring about some much needed change. To stay with our current system(as in hiring Wenzel) the downhill spiral of our educational system in Fayette County will continue. As foras the accolades for being the principal of a school that wins a state Science Olympiad....Ms. Wenzel did not teach the children, tutor, mentor, or do anything that would lead to such a win. She was merely the head of the school building. As for her position in curriculum at the county level....in ten years, I saw her once........during a textbook adoption year. WE desperately need a system that we can believe in, a system that truly has the best interest of the students in mind. We need some new eyes, some new thoughts, we need a NEW superintendent, not more of the same............PLEASE...........

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out of county/country for drama teacher?

Why would our board opt to do this? It looks good, ya' know. "Only the best drama teacher for OUR students." Do not be fooled by the BOE's seemingly earnest search for highly qualified teachers. Teachers in Fayette County are moved from classroom to classroom, subject to subject, school to school based on cost-saving, convenience of the "numbers" game (CRCT scores, for example), and yes, sorry to say, retaliation. More FC teachers would voice their opinions if they weren't scared out of their wits for their jobs; any dissent is quickly quashed by the board's henchmen (i.e., the local administrators). The parents and public-at-large will have to force the BOE to do right by our students...play the political game with them, and vote out Smola and Smith at the earliest convenience! In the meantime, keep them all accountable by attending board meetings and asking hard questions.

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Allegedteacher ....VOTE DR TODD!!!

I feel deeply about this. There is no way in the world that HR person did their job. Smith, Smola, and Wright have controlled that vote long enough. Dr Todd and Marion Key voted against this. They held it off in the 1st vote of 2-2. Wright came back and it was back to usual with him rubber stamping Smith and Smola's vote on this.

Please get your friends out to vote in the election. The outcome will control the BOE for the next several years. If we let Charlie Cave who is a Smith-Smolite get elected, it is over. We have a wonderful candidate for Wrights position. He has years and years of teaching and business background. If these 2 are elected, we will have a group of people that will put our children first.

I would love to challenge anyone to tell me how spending all our money on too many schools in remote areas, and millions of dollars worth of land, has helped our kids. I would then love them to go another step and tell me how you are helping our kids by importing alien teachers? Or, supporting headhunters ($8,000 fee) in a life style to which they would like to become accustomed?

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Get Rid of the 3 musketeers!

If the 3 amigos get to pick from the candidates, be certain the FCBOE is in trouble. They will surely pick one that will fill their agenda. Can't stand any of them and want to see them gone. I cannot believe Dr. Todd has someone running against him - no wait, I can, I just wonder how much the 3 creeps are paying him to run against Dr. Todd. What happen to Marion Key, is she still on the board?

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hiring foreign teachers

I can't understand why we need a head hunter to find a drama teacher, but I do know good math and science teachers are becoming more and more difficult to find. The American school system's standards for acceptance to college is well below that of other industrialized nations. Our teaching programs are graduating math and science teachers who can not pass the certification exams in those subjects. Do we really want a science teacher who had to take the GACE 6 times? I recently read in an article that Georgia colleges have not produced a teacher qualified to teach physics in over 3 years. Take a look at the average age of the math and science teachers in Fayette County. A great number of them will be retiring in the next 5-8 years. Where will their replacements come from? This is what other school systems are facing. Yes, there are many out of work teachers, but that doesn't mean they should be hired for a subject they can't teach. We need to raise our standards or be forced to hire foreign teachers.

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I worked with a teacher (here, in Fayette County) that graduated from a school in Atlanta and could not work middle school fractions. That's sad.

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Get out!

You want foreign teachers? Well I say take the next plane, train or boat out of the USA! Enough with foreigners taking our jobs. America, Georgia, Fayette County stand up and find your back bone! I'm sick and tired of hearing about the people who are without work and yet you see foreigners and have to speak to them when calling an American company. Quit giving into this. We should focus on bringing jobs in, not foreigners. Seriously, get out, we don't want you here if foreigners taking our jobs is what you want.

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well here is a little thing I found out

If you have your masters in PE, you get paid the same as a person with their masters in chemistry. Is there something wrong with this picture? It is the system. It isn't our teachers are not as smart, there is no incentive. The system is broken in that respect.

But, I'm dead set against hiring foreign teachers when we have good ones here. The application I read didn't look like they were searching for the cream of the crop either.

Think about it, it looks like these headhunter companies are working both ends.

Do they charge this person to help them get their green card? Look at the app...they WANT you to be a foreign citizen!

They slurp up the $8,000 head hunter fee, and if we are paying the company $36,000 a year for the teacher, we have no idea if they are keeping 1/2, or even more. If we are going to pay $8,000. a pop to a headhunter, why do you need to pay the human resource person? Why don't we just 'outsource' that to the headhunter? We would come out a lot cheaper. This should be human resources job to do!

So at the end of the day, what have you got?

A rich headhunter, a vehicle to bring in more aliens, and, our own home grown out of work teachers.

I think it is a total disservice to us and our teachers. This is not what I intended my taxes to go towards!

I am appauled they voted for this. I hope every teacher remembers this come election time! Todd was the only one that voted against. Marion Key was out of town and the other 3, well you know what they always do.

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Not the whole picture

According to the report in the board meeting the reason for using the outside agency is that the company will handle visa issues that the BOE HR is not equipped to handle. The $8000 is less than the benefits that the school system would have to pay. In the end it is cheaper for the school system than hiring a US citizen. The issue is why can't we find someone out of the multiple people interviewed to teach drama? How hard is the GACE for that subject?

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I rather see them pay more and hire our own

It is just plain wrong. What kind of a message does it send our kids when they study to be a teacher and we jerk the rug out from under them and go abroad and hire someone? That is horrible

There was also in the papers this week that some of our out of work teachers are going to Dubi to teach. What does that tell you? They have all the oil money and will pay whatever for the best. They could hire these 3rd world teachers too, but they aren't, they are hiring our little homegrown 'throwaways'. There is something really wrong here.

I think it is apparent that the BOE HR person didn't look long and hard here in the US. There is no way in this world there wasn't someone here qualified to do that job. What is even more disturbing is that the BOE didn't tell HR to look harder. They just rolled over and sold our kids/teachers out. I'm not a teacher, but I'm very resentful of this. I've always made it a policy, when there is a choice, I will not us a company that remotes calls to India etc. It is taking jobs out of this county. This is worse, we are now importing them to take our children's jobs.

I'm disgusted with the whole deal. More effort should have been put into hiring a US citizen. If this is done anymore, we should just replace the HR person with the headhunter if all HR is going to do is pick up the phone and call them. What do we need the middle man, HR, for if we are going to be so cost driven?

We wasted our money on extra schools and once again, the people paying for it are the teachers.

Also our kids will suffer when they can't understand these aliens. My child took Spanish, it is easy. They failed it. I called the teacher. I couldn't understand her and kept asking her to repeat herself and talk slower. She was a wiz at Spanish but her English was horrible!

My child then took 2 years of German which is much harder. They did great! Main reason, good teacher, and the German teacher was American and spoke English as his 1st language. The children could understand him. It made all the difference in the world.

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Hiring foreigners for teachers??

Just how many have been hired so far? Also, how many of ours have gone to Dubai so far?
Also, ain't no way the BOE can pay a foreign teacher any less than we pay our own for starting wages!
What is being stirred up here?
The only reason a foreign teacher might be hired is that there isn't a teacher of Calculus or Rocket Science available here to hire! Many of our teachers don't make a profession of those or similar subjects because they are difficult and it is easy to determine if they know what they are doing.

Much of the low Math scores around here come from inadequate teachers in those subjects. If that is what it takes to teach our kids well, then hire Asians to teach them! At least hire them until we can talk some people into qualifying as Math teachers.

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How is it cheaper?

FCBOE emplyee benefit if said teacher has a family FCBOE only pays 71.00 of benefits premium pr month=852 pr yr county portion. Single FCBOE pays full premium avr 170 pr month=2040.00 pr yr county portion FCBOE pays and we are paying 8000.00 to a company to find said employee.
Please Explain savings

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I'm sorry but I can not decipher this comment above! Some info in monthly terms, some in yearly terms, and what does that have to do with paying a headhunter?
Who has hired a headhunter anyway---have they provided anyone yet? And why?

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FAyette county pays 71.00 toward the monthly benefits premium for teachers with family plan that equals a county cost of 852 per year for the county.
If the teacher is single then the county pays the full monthly premium costing the the county an ave 170.00pr month for a annual county cost of 2040.00.

The reason I asked about this is our wonderful HR department has brought in
a head hunting company to do their job at a cost of 8000.00 dollars to bring in a drama teacher from a foreign country. We just lost a Drama teacher from Bennetts during the RIF. Why do we Pay for an HR director and over staff the HR department to just pay another company to do their job!

Also I find it interesting that this particular job became available back in Febuary(McIntosh) and wasnt even posted until May.

This person to be brought in is an employee of that COmpany and not Fayette County so we have to deal with the company an not the individual??

Now Smith Smola and Wright have all stated that Fayette County is doing so well that we have teachers beating down the doors to come work here from other counties...Now we can't even find a Drama teacher to come here and must pay an outside company to go beyond the borders of our country to find someone to fill this vacancy??? Please explain that logic.

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Benefits

The amounts you are using are only the supplemental amount that the school system pays above the employer portion for medical and dental. This is an additional benefit to the employee. The state charges the system 18% (maybe more in FY2011) of the state salary portion (maybe $33k)for health insurance and then there is FICA/ medicare matching (7.65%) and TRS retirement(around 9 to 10%). Benefits cost 30 to 40 % of the salary amount. This is somewhere around $12k for a starting teacher. It is cheaper but is it really what we want????

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Thanks for the Figures

Thanks for the figures.
Did anyone else see the news last night Doesn,t seem that other Counties who have tried this are so pleased with this option and that it's not the money saver as explained.

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comparing phys ed and physics...

A colleague once pointed out to me that most administrators (school and county levels)have PE degrees. Why, you might ask? Good question and if anyone has the answer, please post it. I notice that two of the three possible superintendent candidates have PE degrees.

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Wildcat- pe administrators

I also have often wondered why so many school administrative types come from PE.

Maybe it's because if anyone can herd cats its the coach.

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P.E. degrees

Please take a moment to reflect on these facts before you continue your derogatory comments regarding P.E. degrees.
1)Obtaining a Physical Education Degree involves extensive study of the human body; physiology, zoology, biology.
2)The degree requires the study of human performance (mental and physical) and development.
3)Rules and regulations for sports and games must be memorized and mastered.
4)Physical Educators are (or should be) role models.
5)Physical Educators have to be able to think on their feet.
6)Certification in the area of Physical Education is Health and Physical Education and it is a Pre-K – 12 Certification.
7)Physical Educators teach huge numbers of students in a wide variety of school settings (not just a quiet classroom).
Do you believe that this training also translates into good administrative skills? I do!

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Yeah, isn't this the degree most Georgia football and basketbsall players spend five years getting 2 years worth of basketweaving credit?
It must be most difficult.
Administrators simply must be good politicians and know how to keep out of trouble.

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Georgia, Ga. Tech, other major colleges and universities

You can do a little research and find that all players (baseball, football, basketball, tennis, etc.)- regardless of their major- are given a much easier ride in the area of academics. Tutors are provided, advisement (as to which are the easy professors who cut athletes lots of slack, etc.) and direct coach/professor intervention are constants. I have first-hand knowledge of this- not trying to judge... these players work hard on and off of the field and are required to miss many classes. How ethical is this? Don't know, but you could ask Jan Kemp about being a whistle-blower. Do you want these 'athletes' to teach your kids or build your bridge? Again, can't answer that for you.
A regular Health Physical Education major is not necessarily, an athlete. Probably just a person who played a sport or two in High School and wants to help inspire young people to educate their minds, bodies and spirits.

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I'm not degrading being a PE

I'm not degrading being a PE teacher, but the pay hardly should merit that of a chemistry or trig teacher should it? Either of those subjects would be hard to hold most kids interest. When the kids don't grasp it, you would have to rely on being repetitive and the kids would get frustrated.

I think your answer is in the fact that so many choose an easier major and get paid the same amount of money.

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Compare the academic curriculum of the P.E. teacher -and a pre-med student. Very similar. Kinesiology is not an easy course. Maybe chemistry was difficult for you - but probably the person who majored in chemistry would not have passed the rigor of a PE course. My roommate in college was a Trig major and a PE minor. She opened her own public relations firm and retired a multi-millionaire. The teaching profession lost a marvelous and intelligent role model for students.

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comparison of PE and pre-med curriculum

They are pretty different (see below; copy and paste from GSU) and the pre-med looks to be a lot more rigorous. Well it does to me, but then what do I know? My undergrad degree is in math and so I may be the wrong person to comment on the rigor of either.

HEALTH AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION
Bachelor of Science (Undergraduate)
Area F. Courses Appropriate for a Major (18)
EDUC 2110 Investigating Critical and Contemporary Issues in Education (3)
EDUC 2120 Exploring Socio Cultural Perspectives on Diversity (3)
EDUC 2130 Exploring Teaching and Learning (3)
KH 2130 Introduction to the Allied Fields of Health, Physical Education, and Fitness (3)
KH 2220 Musculoskeletal Function and Human Performance I (3)
KH 2230 Musculoskeletal Function and Human Performance II (3)
Area G. Major Courses (55)
KH 3010 Performance and Analysis Area I: Movement and Rhythmics (3)
KH 3020 Performance and Analysis Area II: Training and Fitness (2)
KH 3030 Performance and Analysis Area III: Team Sports (3)
KH 3040 Performance and Analysis Area IV: Lifetime Sports (3)
KH 3100 Instructional Technology in Health and Physical Education (3)
KH 3250 Teaching Comprehensive School Health Education (3)
KH 3410 Assessment in Health and Physical Education (3)
KH 3420 Curriculum in Health and Physical Education (3)
KH 3600 Biomechanics (3)
KH 3610 Motor Learning and Development (3)
KH 3650 Physiology of Exercise (4)
KH 3700 Sexuality Education Inclusive of Students with Special Needs/Disabilities (3)
EXC 4020 Characteristics and Instructional Strategies for Student with Disabilities (3)
(or equivalent)
Methods and Curriculum
Required (16):
KH 3200* Instructional Skills for Health and Physical Education, P-12 (4)
KH 4510 Contemporary Instructional Models for Pre-K and Elementary Physical Education (3)
KH 4520 Contemporary Instructional Models for Secondary Physical Education (3)
KH 4530 Contemporary Instructional Models for Health Education (3)
KH 4540 Contemporary Instructional Models for Adapted Physical Education (3)

BIOLOGY:
Concentrations: Pre- professional/Physiology
For students considering professional programs (Medical, Dental, Veterinary, etc.)
Course Number Course Description
BIOL2220 Introduction to Research in Biology and Medicine (2)
OR
BIOL2300 Microbiology and Human Health (3)
Required: AREA G4
All of the following courses are required (16 credit hours total):
Course Number Course Description
BIOL3240 Human Physiology (3)
BIOL3250 Human Physiology Laboratory (1)
BIOL4246 Advanced Animal Physiology (4)
BIOL4240 Endocrinology (4)
BIOL4115 Medical Neuroanatomy (4)
Choose one (1) of the following (4 credit hours):
Course Number Course Description
BIOL4074 Developmental Biology (4)
BIOL4278 Immunology (4)
BIOL4248 Cell Physiology (4)
BIOL4580 Microbial Pathogenesis (4)
BIOL4800 Advanced Cell Biology (4)
BIOL4102 Fundamental Neurobiology(4)
BIOL4130 Sensation and Perception (4)
BIOL4428 Medical Microbiology (4)
BIOL4744 Biostatistics (3)
BIOL4910 Undergraduate Research in Biology (5)
BIOL4930 Topics in Biology (4)

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I did take pre med classes

that is my point. I later changed my major, something I have always regretted.

I was fussing at my kid and telling them I wanted them to go slow their 1st year. I pulled out my grades telling him I took too much n didn't get to enjoy my 1st year.

I doubt any PE major took this their 1st year, but it was typical for someone thinking of med school or pharmacy, or maybe teaching one of these subjects.

1 English com
2. Painting
3.Chemistry
4. Tennis
5. Algebra (2nd half)
6. Biology

1.English comp
2. psychology
3. Botany
4. Chemistry
5. Trigonometry (took 1st half of algebra in summer school previous summer)
5. Bowling

You see the art in there?, you know left brain, right brain? When I got in the Chemistry classes, I realized I was in over my head and scared. But, I had a wonderful teacher. I owe him a lot. Chemistry is boring, and you get it or you don't. If you don't understand one particular step, you really can't go forward. I had the panic button on red alert! I was overwhelmed with fear.

That professor earned every penny of his pay. He loved teaching and the first thing he did in his lectures was make friends with us, tell us stories about when he was in school, and slowly calmed us down. It is so weird, he got me to where I was actually looking forward to his classes. He taught us a lot of chemistry and kept our interest at the same time.

Same thing with my biology teacher. His class was so big he was up on a stage. I love biology, but for the ones that didnt, he held their attention. he kept everyone is stitches. He was a one man show. He was a cross between Einstein and a stand up comedian. He was hard but he was entertaining.

These professors I describe, had mastered the art of teaching intimidating subjects. I feel anyone that sat in those classes would have learned valuable teaching lessons from some real pros.

Point of all this is these guys gave life lessons. If there was anyone wanting to teach biology or chemistry in school, they SHOULD have had a front row seat.

The problem is, these classes ..are..intimidating, and for that reason a lot of people take as little of them as possible.

No one can tell me if we paid more for people who taught these, or a bonus to the ones out of college with a major in this, we couldn't get some damm good teachers.

These kids are not fools. College is expensive. They are not going to try to be a Bio or chemistry teacher and play with something they might fail if there isn't an incentive.

The system for creating future math, chemistry, bio teachers is broken. We can fix it.

PS. I was the worst tennis player and bowler you ever saw! c/d respectively

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Please understand I'm not degrading PE teachers

but we need to give the science, bio, and math teachers their due rewards.

Cancer cures are not discovered on the ball fields.

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Thanks for sharing - brought back some great memories. IMO - no matter the subject, we need great teachers like you describe. It's too bad that teachers aren't evaluated fairly and paid what they are worth!! Yikes! Your classes were really intimidating!! Chem with Trig alone would have had me up for hours studying. My roommate would have been a great teacher - but the world of 'Hollywood' called with their overinflated salaries. I encountered too many teachers in the field of math and science who 'scared' their students rather than involve them in the learning process. Sad. (I majored in Political Science - :-) )

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DM I respect your post

We are on the same page, we want the best for the kids.

There is nothing better than being in shape. It makes us feel good and takes away stress.

But we have got to give the local kids that want to teach these harder subjects more. They almost have to be a one man show and have the patience of Jobe to pull it off.

I don't blame your friend if Hollywood called. That is an easy way to make millions.

It also brings me to another subject. Art. Did you know that the art antimation was bullet proof in the recession? Kids can now make a living in it. There is big money in hollywood, you don't have to be the star. There are set designers, light and camera men, period clothing designers for the movies. There is so much more for them in this field. And it all pays big bucks. There are new careers out there and we need to mold our own kids into the next teachers to help them. I WANT HOME GROWN TEACHERS!

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Same page indeed!

We are on the same page, we want the best for the kids

ABSOLUTELY!! A good teacher realizes that education is a life long process - and inspires her/his students to be lifelong learners. New careers, new technology, new ways of thinking - and if we want our kids to be competitive in the global market - they are going to have to have a meaningful education with knowledge in all subject areas (and research skills). By the way - your avatar is lovely. Are you an artist?

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This slipped right past you last night

The BOE voted last night 3/1, Dr Todd being the one against, to hire a drama teacher for McIntosh. BOE Human resources found no one suitable in our out of work teachers and resorted to paying a head hunter company that deals with aliens from overseas to fill these jobs. Their fee was $8,000.
This seems to be stabing our on teachers in the back.

Here are some articles on the subject, but more disturbing, some info on the headhunter companies and how it works.
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New Report Shows Schools Increasingly Hiring Foreign Teachers Over Americans
A report released last week by the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) entitled "Importing Educators: Causes and Consequences of International Teacher Recruitment" has revealed that "some American school districts have turned increasingly to overseas recruiting to find teachers" to fill teaching vacancies. The findings in the new report raise questions regarding proper levels of legal immigration and, in particular, the H-1B visa program. (AFT Report; The New York Times, September 15, 2009).

http://www.itpaa.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=278
.....Indians bypass H-1B visas and turn focus on J-1 visas, thanks to our loop holes in visa system. It's time folks, we report these visas abuse and fraud to our Senators, Congressmen, politicians and to US Consulates in India:

Chennai (Madras), Mumbai (Bombay) Kolkatta (Calcutta) and our US Embassy in New Delhi. Indians will do whatever it takes to get here. Story from www.timesofindia.com. Shame on US Media who are far behind reporting on BPO.

People take a different route to US
P LAXMI

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, MARCH 13, 2004 01:53:13 AM ]

HYDERABAD: Washington has tightened the screws over issuing of H-1B visas, but the intrepid Indian has found ways of entering the Land of Opportunity using the J1 route. While the H-1B visa is a work permit, J1 deals with international exchange visitors.

The Americans have frozen issuing of H-1B visas till April this year. The visitor including the businessmen, students, the researcher, the teacher, medical intern and the engineer has quickly latched on to the J1 category to make the passage.

For a J1 visa, all one needs to do is produce the supporting documents including a valid passport for travel to US for at least six months to the consular authorities. For instance, those going to study in US universities, need to submit sponsorship letters and papers issued by their host institutions to back their claims for the visas.

Among the documents needed for J1 visas are:

* Document supporting the sponsorship claim from the university concerned or from the institution.

* Certificates backing the qualifications of the candidates. A teacher, for instance, needs to put in his/her B.Ed. certificate, an engineering graduate his B.Tech. degree and a medicine graduate, his MBBS certificate.

* For teachers, a clearance from the World Education Society for validation of the claim.

Applying for a J1 visa or any nonimmigrant visa according to the US Consulate in Chennai the fee would be Rs 4,600 apart from a courier fee of Rs 400.

The application fee and the entire processing fee for J1 visa according to some placement consultants in the city would be Rs 50,000 as against Rs 1 lakh for an H-1B visa.

But some consultants say that for the J1 applicants the processing fee could go up to Rs 1 lakh and for H-1B this is even more.

Most software companies are beneficiaries of the J1 power. Since they can't wait till April for the freeze to end, most of them are taking the J1 route to send their personnel abroad.

"True, the number of applicants under the J1 category has increased manifold. But, the US consulate surely won't allow a flood of Indians entering their country using J1 visas. Like in the H-1B category, the checks here are pretty stringent as well," a regional passport official says.

Earlier, about 1.3 lakh H-1B visas from India were processed by the US consulates all over the country. But with the recent clampdown, quite a few applications have got stuck.

Among those queuing up for J1 visas, many are teachers. Teachers are in demand in the US and many of them go from India. A case in point is the Gwinnett County schools in the US. This school has decided to triple its hiring for the next academic year. That would mean fresh intakes of about 1,400 teachers. Explaining the reason for this spurt in demand for Indian teachers, D Aileen Dodd, a senior correspondent of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, said the Gwinnett County School was impressed with the wealth of background that the science and mathematics teachers from India had.

The school's chief human resources officer, Francis Davis, interviewed about 85 applicants from India for teaching jobs during her recent eight-day visit here. The demand for teachers in mathematics, science and special education for the disabled is particularly high in the US and about 50 candidates from the city are already there, Syed Ahmed Ali, a consultant from the city-based Neptune Consultancies says. Many of them would now have to avail the J1 visa to travel to the school.

Intalage Inc., a company based in the US headed by Dr Nasreen Haque, a native of Kurnool with a doctorate in physics, has sponsored about 150 teachers from the city for Georgia state, Captain Meer Sujjad Ali, a support placement partner adds.

Approximately about 10,000 students apply for visa including J1 visas for student exchange, however the majority apply for F1 student visa.

The number of J1 visa seekers cannot be said, for that is sponsored my various institutions or establishments in US, senior consultant G Sumana said.

Finding ways

•Professionals are now taking a J1 visa to enter the US

•US froze issuing of H-1B visa till April this year for all those professionals

•The new J1visa needs only a passport and for travel for at least six months. Students need to submit sponsorship letters

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According to the report, nearly 20,000 teachers were working in the United States on temporary visas in 2007, and that number is increasing steadily. The report contains a case study of the Baltimore Public School District and notes that the city had hired 108 teachers from the Philippines in 2005. Just two years later, more than 600 Filipino teachers are now working in Baltimore classrooms, comprising more than 10% of the district's teaching workforce. The report went on to assert that Baltimore school officials were leaning so heavily on these foreign teachers to fill job vacancies in their district that they were recruiting less aggressively in the United States: "Rather than attending job fairs throughout the Mid-Atlantic, trying to persuade reluctant American teachers to accept positions in troubled inner-city schools, HR officials can meet all their hiring needs in one trip. At a single career fair in Manila, they can interview hundreds of pre-screened applicants, each of whom is eager to pay for the opportunity to work in Baltimore city schools." (Id.).

The AFT's findings imply that international teacher recruitment is displacing American teachers. Amid the current economic recession, declining tax revenues have forced many state and local governments to lay off teachers. (The Wall Street Journal, February 3, 2009). Why, then, are school districts across the country increasingly recruiting foreign teachers to come to the United States to fill teaching vacancies? The AFT report suggests a possible answer: in one school district, foreign born teachers were "paid only $18,000 per teacher for their services, well below prevailing wage." (AFT Report).

The AFT report also points out that many foreign teachers are being brought to the United States on H-1B visas. The H-1B visa program allows employers to bring foreign workers to the United States to work in specialty occupations that require "the theoretical and practical application of a body of specialized knowledge and a bachelor's degree or the equivalent in the specific specialty." (Department of Labor). However, some — most notably Bill Gates of Microsoft — have put forth the misconception that the H-1B program exists primarily to bring foreign workers to the United States to work in technology-related fields. Gates has then leveraged this misconception to lobby Congress to increase the H-1B visa cap so that companies such as Microsoft can have access to more cheap foreign labor. (See FAIR's Legislative Update, March 24, 2008).
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Dekalb county has been doing this, not everyone is happy with it.

“I have a problem with this particular one because our surrounding districts have laid off so many teachers," Roberts said. "I find it difficult we have to go outside the United States to find teachers to come to DeKalb to teach. I think we should be looking to care for our own before we start going to the outside.” Lone vote against

......

The second of these head hunter companies operating in Atlanta area is

Global Teachers Research & Resources Inc.

for teacher their stated require ments are ...
Prior to being considered applicants must meet the minimum requirements:

Demonstrate fluency in English;
....Possess citizenship outside the United States....
Earned the equivalence of a Bachelor’s Degree or higher and completed an accredited educator preparation program;
Previous successful teaching experience.

http://www.gtrr.net/become.php

The other one used here is Intalage Inc, both are talked about in the AJC. One of these 2 was the one that we are gonna pay $8,000. to because be don't have a person 'qualfied' to teach drama at McIntosh.

People, do you not care, or have you taken leave of your senses?

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Let me understand

We layoff teachers, cut their pay 4.5%, lose para pros, mothball schools etc.etc. But we can pay 8000.00 to an outside company to do the job we pay a HR director with a Doctorate over 100,000 annually with an overstaffed HR dept (ADD all those salaries)to do. These have to be the DUMBEST people on the face of the earth. I hope they won’t be allowed to produce anymore offspring.

What we couldn't find /re-hire the drama teacher we lost to the RIF at Bennetts!

Who says these clowns care about teachers?
Heck Terri couldn't even last past 3 years as a teacher so I don't want to hear how she was a teacher and understands Please!!! LMAO
Smola, working on Wall Street ROFL Please as recruiter/trainer for Insurance company nothing with finance (why on all her Professional web networking LINKEDIN SPOKE ETC ,she’s on several, doesn’t list one certification, degree, professional training award nothing!

MORONS

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Veritas - $8000 is nothing

You think $8000 is bad to find a drama teacher?? This board spent $100,000 to have professional experienced help drawing redistricting maps and then threw the maps away. $8,000 is a drop in the bucket in their waste dept. How about $100,000 in land that no one wants?

Why was the vote 3/1 Marion couldn't make it?

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We see eye to eye. That was eight thousand up in smoke and some young teacher still pounding the pavement.

I didn't know Terri Smith only taught 3 years. No wonder she isn't teacher oriented. And yes, I read the Smola background and picked up on the 3 years college. If she had a degree she would have touted it. If you work for an insurance company answering the 800 number, you have to be licensed. No big deal. It is just training at the agency, it is nothing you go to college to get and certainly nothing that gives you the background to run a mulimillion dollar school system. Smith/Smola are living proof of that.

If this county elects one more BOE with a jazzed up background as opposed to real knowlege and experience, you can kiss it goodby.

Dr Todd and Marion Key need someone else of their background and intelligence on the board. This 3/2 has been a sham. All these mail order alien teachers ain't gettin it.

Ms Smola saw nothing wrong with hiring her own son who was/is unaccreditied to teach while accreditied teachers applied. I don't understand her need to go out of the US to find a qualified drama teacher for McIntosh.

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Wenzel retired keep her out to pasture

We dont want her back

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absolutely NO Lyn Wenzel

This woman is no Einstein, inconsistent, and vindictive as h@#l. Fayette County will lose a lot of great teachers if Wenzel gets the job. This county definately needs new blood. By the way, Wernzel had NOTHING to to with Booth's SO championships - that was ALL Mary Wilde (now retired) and the teachers who assisted her over the years.

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NO to Wenzel

Wenzel IS a job hopper. She has been in various positions throughout the county. She repeatedly moved because people who worked with her were so unhappy with her performance. There has always been a sigh of relief when she was moved elsewhere. She isn't very smart, isn't well liked, and isn't a good choice for superintendent.

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BOE

I agree no job hoppers go with Lyn Wenzel.

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Wenzel may or may not be good

We have to really look at these candidates very very hard.

We have had so much cronyism in the past, we have GOT to get the best person. I want to hear more about the candidates. Something that bothered me. Someone put something in the blogs about the qualifcations before they were made public. No one but someone on the BOE would have known this info. It can only tell me it was leeked by Smith, Smola, or Wright. That almost makes me against anyone they could be hyping.

Smith and Smola are control freaks and I'm sure if they could get a sup they could manipulate, they would. To them, it is all about power. To me, it should be all about the kids.

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Need A New Vision

We need someone from outside the system. We don't need Ms. Wenzel. It will be the same old, same old. It will just be more fuel for Smith and Smola to work with.

Please visit Dr. Todd's website at www.drbobtodd.com

AND PLEASE VOTE ON OR BEFORE JULY 20TH. IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO SAVE FAYETTE COUNTY.

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In with the new . . .

Just as the same is needed in our county government, bring in someone new to our BOE. They bring with them new ideas, resources, etc. to the same ol' problems and issues of our system. BUT we don't need someone who is a job-hopping superintendent. That type of leader leaves a wake of destruction as they move on to a new job.

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Wenzel

If they don't hire Ms. Wenzel they're nuts. She has all the qualifications and her no nonsense methods are just exactly what we need now in our school system.

She's a keeper.

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Wenzel for Superintendant

Ms. Wenzel has real ties to the community. She has a vested interest here in Fayette. I don't like the job hoppers who come in for a couple of years, try a bunch of new ideas, then leave town. I have seen her in action at the BoE meetings - she would be a great choice.

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No ties, please

I think we need someone fresh that doesn't know a soul. That way there are no favors to be granted nor relatives that need to be "taken care of." Perhaps someone new could step-in and make cuts where they need to be made. Wouldn't that be refreshing?

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You must be kidding

Obviously, you have never worked for her. Those that have done so say she is vindictive, arbitrary, and sometimes downright incompetent. She plays favorties. Furthermore, I have never heard anyone describe her as a brillant woman. Mediocre - at best. She is/was part of the problem in Fayette County Schools - not a solution.

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I have worked for Wenzel
wkamb wrote:

Obviously, you have never worked for her. Those that have done so say she is vindictive, arbitrary, and sometimes downright incompetent. She plays favorties. Furthermore, I have never heard anyone describe her as a brillant woman. Mediocre - at best. She is/was part of the problem in Fayette County Schools - not a solution.

I have worked for her at two different schools. I never found her vindictive and never saw her as incompetent. She didn't play favorites. But if you weren't doing your job, she would let you know. If you did your job well, you had her full support.

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janeway10 who worked for Wenzel

Did you ever have the guts to disagree with her or were you part of the "good ol"?

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not part of good ol

Yes, I did have disagreements. I've never worked for an administrator that I didn't have disagreements with from time to time. But I never found her vindictive about it. She fully supported me and my team when we really needed her support when we really needed. Can't go into more detail than that.

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janeway10

Do you mean you asked her for things you didn't really need and disagreed with her?
When we really needed her support when we really needed.
Take it you were not an English teacher---maybe shop! Or just office.

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you scare me

you just described a Smolite. Look at Charlie Cave. If this woman is as you say, I have no doubts who Smith and Smola would vote for.

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Questions about Hiring procedure

Who nominates and votes upon the final three? The BOE? Must it be unanimous? Why are three names thrown out? Couldn't they just choose whom they want when they voted? Are they not sure of their vetting?
Seems strange.
Why would they consider hiring someone who they have already retired?
And, are these people mostly on a "list" that all schools use and how do they get there?
In other words is all this a good old boys network only?
Is it a farce?
As the current generation says: "just askin"

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Superintendent:another ?

Isn't there just ONE Principal or assistant Superintendent in at least nearby counties who is better known and qualified than people from Texas and such?
If not why?
Fayette County needs a cost cutter without sacrificing our students learning.
I don't think degree paperwork (much of it is bought) and such things are as meaningful as that would be.
Is there anything wrong if a new Superintendent made some people angry doing his job?
Why do you think many counties around here have to resort to cheating on tests? Because it is condoned to save face and keep incompetents happy!

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Dr. Jeffrey Byron Bearden

Dr. Jeffrey Byron Bearden seems to have risen through the finance dept of a Maine school system. He's been a superintendent for four years. Makes $125,000 per year at his current job.

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Dr. Roy "Cole" Pugh

Interesting choice. This Dr. Pugh appears to be a professional school system candidate: a quick Google shows that he's been a finalist for no less than FIVE superintendent jobs this YEAR.

Also interesting, he currently makes $207,000 per year in his current job in Fort Worth, Texas but is interviewing for jobs paying in the $140,000 to $160,000 range.

He is also a bit of a job hopper, he's been the superintendent of no less than 5 school systems.

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Len Wenzel is No prize winner ...

After being "retired" for one year she has applied to no less than three counties not including Fayette and now returning for a fourth try back to whence she retired. Now I have asked Many teachers when cost cutting began and Len announced her retirement Many teachers said WHO..We have Three assistant Supers..(Kind of enlightening) those who did know her "Thank You Jesus"..HMMMM kind tells you something doesn't it.

All I am sure of is we need to make sure we make the best possible decision based on experience and knowledge and what is best for the system.

Now job hopping not to sure about that been a super in 5 schools systems over the course of over 30yrs. Check the average superintendents longevity in one system.. Might suprise you and each of his moves was up.

Looks to me like we have 2 exceptional prospects and one Good Ol Girl.

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He retired from his job in Texas. In order for him to receive

his retirement pay, he must leave the state of Texas. (According to news reports.)

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