A dissenting view of the West Bypass: How about some facts?

I occasionally read The Citizen to catch up on local news. As a result, I am aware of the disagreement within the County Commission regarding the West Bypass.

I do not have an opinion on whether the bypass is good or bad, because, despite the many letters published on the subject, many authors typically turn to personal attacks and insults.

I don’t ever recall reading a rational, respectful, “just the facts ma’am,” pro-and-con description of the issues involved.

These attacks may be warranted and effective, but once you’ve chosen this route, I don’t think it is realistic to expect the person you’ve attacked to extend any courtesy.

I find it silly that Commissioner Brown would think that commissioners he regularly attacks would give him the benefit of the doubt on the supplemental materials he provided just prior to a county commission meeting.

I also find it dryly amusing that Commissioner Brown refers to the West Bypass as the “developers welfare bypass.”

Developers are usually going to benefit from infrastructure improvements because they are in the business of developing land. As such, it should not surprise anyone they are highly informed on the issues that affect their ability to stay in business.

For example, if you were a developer would you be more aware of population trends, traffic patterns, zoning regulations, long-term local and regional transportation plans, and the opinion of county land use authorities than a friend who worked in the financial services industry?

If not, then you would not be a developer very long. If so, then how would you use this knowledge?

I think most folks would purchase the land outright or buy options. When? Before the infrastructure was built and prices rose.

I wouldn’t call acting on knowledge gained by studying the factors affecting your industry “welfare.”

I would be happy to read a rational, respectful, “just the facts ma’am,” pro-and-con description of the issues involved. In the meantime I respectfully request that Commissioner Brown quit maligning law-abiding developers and stop acting surprised when people he attacks don’t extend any courtesy.

J. Thomas

Fayetteville, Ga.

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Just the facts

I hear the same people criticizing Brown over and over for what he did while he was mayor of PTC. Yet, he won the election, which included heavily populated precincts in PTC.

Evidently, he didn't rile most of the PTC people while in office or he never would have made it to the Commission.

BTW, I spoke with some of the folks who attended the commissioners training in Savannah. They told me that Steve Brown opted out of all the freebies paid for by the county contractor.

With all the Brown brickbats I've seen, I never see any kudos for the 3 Amigos who have vowed to make any voting efforts by Brown and McCarty for transparency issues mathematically impossible. When 55% of the voters support new platforms and three can stop it, you can't get anything done until the next election, which truly will be for the people.

All in favor of restoring Smith and Maxwell say "aye," but state your reasons.

I have lived in Fayette county since 1972, and yes, I voted for Nixon.

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pips1414]I hear the same people criticizing Brown over and over for what he did while he was mayor of PTC. Yet, he won the election, which included heavily populated precincts in PTC.
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Same goes for Frady, many times. Horgan has been elected by the voters twice now, same as Steve Brown, though he didn't lose two elections by huge margins.

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Evidently, he didn't rile most of the PTC people while in office or he never would have made it to the Commission.

Is that why when he ran for re-election in PTC he lost by a 80-20% margin to Logsdon and then got destroyed by Ramsey for state rep after that? You and others talk about "55%" of the vote this last time and say nothing about the humongous margins of defeat Brown had before.

People in PTC are obviously forgiving but it's beyond ignorant to say he never "riled up people in PTC" when all the evidence clearly shows he definitely did or he wouldn't have lost by the massive margins he did and The Citizen wouldn't have had a firestorm of anti-Brown sentiment that makes this dust up right now over the WFB look like nothing.

I've noticed that a lot of Brown's current support do not live in PTC and know very little at all about when he was Mayor or that he even ran for office afterwards. This same lack of knowledge is why you have the 3Stooges on the commission right now as well as passing an open-ended SPLOST for "roads" years ago.

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With all the Brown brickbats I've seen, I never see any kudos for the 3 Amigos who have vowed to make any voting efforts by Brown and McCarty for transparency issues mathematically impossible. When 55% of the voters support new platforms and three can stop it, you can't get anything done until the next election, which truly will be for the people.

I don't know of many that like the 3 Stooges but they seem to have a lot of silent support since Frady has been re-elected over and over and over and a Horgan gets elected twice and Hearn beats a better opponent.
Also, how one feels about the 3 Stooges doesn't have anything to do with how one may feel about Brown.

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What's done is done

Never before has such an unpopular project as the West Bypass garnered such support as the project receives from the 3 amigos. The problem is that people now see that the 3 amigos will fight to the death for a project few want.If there are any folks who strongly support the project, they have been curiously silent for the past 3 years. Can you imagine anyone (other than the 2010 commissioners) actually speaking publicly or writing a letter to the editor on how Fayette County will perish without the WFB?

Another related subject would be that the public is ungrateful for not standing up for the 3 amigos who deserve a pat on the back for enduring adversity and ridicule when all they're trying to do is see to it that Fayette County gets the road it so desperately needs.

Not only that, the voters now see that by virtue of the alliance of the 3 amigos, Brown and McCarty are mathematically eliminated from bringing transparency to the Commissioners office until the next election. That will guarantee the exit of all 3.

Jack Smith made a wise statement when he said more people needed to come to the commissioners meetings. Well, he got his wish, but little did he realize that they brought their microscopes with them.

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Here we go

Stevie711 has got to Lee Hearn. And Lee you can bet your bottom dollar there ain't no silent majority in favor of the W. Fayetteville Bypass.

And Lee you know Steve Brown and Allen McCarty's election had nothing to do with Dunn and Wells and everything to do with Jack Smith and Eric Maxwell's horrible treatment of the citizens of Fayette County.

The county meeting room at the last meeting was standing room only so your 20 to 30 people lie ain't gonna wash!

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The great WBP

Isn't all this continuing on about the same as complaints about how WW2 was fought?

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Brown never changes.. Same type venom spewed when Mayor

Brown and Bost announced early Friday afternoon that Bost would be throwing his full support to Brown. Yes this was last year. Why do I bring it up now? This is from the past when Brown was running for Commissioner.

Let's start when Brown was Mayor in PTC (some things never change). Brown has pattern of behavior which is always consistent of creating turmoil in each meeting he is involved in. He is a puppet to the Bost, Dunn group. Yes, that's right Dunn is in the background. Dunn still has some unsettled business in Fayette county.

I might agree that the West bypass is somewhat questionable but if you attend the meetings you quickly come to see that there is an underlying movement in which Brown is quick to vote aginst most things involving the three other commissioners. Yes, I said other three commissioners because, we'll leave out Allen McCarty due to the fact he is the silent player rounding out the five commissioners two of which are backed by the old regime.

If the people of Fayette County continue to let Brown grand stand in each meeting with his band of merry men or women he brings with him, then he will pull apart the very thing that brings the citizens of Fayette County together. It is called pride. Brown is doing exactly what we voted out Dunn and Wells from office and it's called dissension, frivolous litigation and ego's..

I don't understand why we continue to let the same 20 or 30 citizens speak for the majority of us in the council meetings. I'm somewhat convinced that these meetings are choreographd in advanced to yield the most dissenting views only to deflect what the three other fine men have accomplished in their three years in office. Brown wants face time and we are giving it to him. He has one agenda and that is to get rid of the other three comissioners and get Bost and his gang in office. If this happens then this County will be in turmoil for years to come. Power is what they want. I think we see this in our current Federal Government and how is this working out for us? History has a habit of repeating itself and were on the road to the same type Council we had around 2006 and 2007. Nothing was accomplished except lawsuits that the County ended up paying for.

I have seen the three commissioners, Horgan, Frady and Hern criticized, called names from day one after the swearing in of Brown. Brown has nothing else to do but tear this County apart, (I don't even think he has a fulltime job, maybe wrong), as his bosses command (Bost, Dunn etc). As for McCarty he is a fence sitter waiting to see which side will prevail and he will fall to that side, of course he is leaning towards Brown and Co. since the crux of the meetings are centered around the West By-Pass.

Come on people don't sit on your hands and let this former group tear us apart again. This is what they do best. Show up at the meetings and let them know they (Brown and Co. supporters) are not the only ones that have a voice in the County.

The vice of freedom is silent when only one group shows up.

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Stevei 711??? what are you talking about?

"I'm somewhat convinced that these meetings are choreographd in advanced to yield the most dissenting views only TO DEFLECT WHAT THE THREE OTHER FINE MEN HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THEIR THREE YEARS IN OFFICE."

I don't want to be disrespectful of your opinion, but what did these guys do that you think is honerably memorable?

Horgan, was caught smoking the funning stuff. I hate to bust your bubble, but that is something 99% of the adults in this county can say they have never done, much less be stupid enough to light up then crawl behind the wheel of their truck and parade themselves down a public road on a Sunday afternoon.

Hearn, threw a woman out of office that had always done an above and beyond job. The only reason was to make room for his own cousin who is head of a family land trust that owns a sizable peice of property down at the intersection of 54 and the new bypass. Hardley the actions of a God fearing man he would like us to think of him as.

Then there is Frady, who when someone gives him an outline written in boxcar letters so he can see and follow along, declares this new material that he has never seen before and calls the guys presentation off! What kind of dottering old fool does that? (A cranky mean one!)

So I'm all ears as to what memorial things these guys have done, other than the above. I think all three are an embarsenment to the county in their own special ways.

As for Brown being Bost and Dunn's puppet, well Bost was running against Brown in the beginning of the race!

But, I will say, the WFB is over. These 3 have won against the will of the people. I deeply resent it, just as I do the empty schools sitting along it. The schools and the WFB were paid for with my money for the good of developers. I personally feel it is money stolen from me for the betterment of a few. (Me, not being one of them)

Most are convinced, if they ever find if/or how/ money has changed hands...anyone involved in the bypass and the schools, are going to jail for a very long time.

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99% haven't smoked pot?
suggarfoot wrote:

Horgan, was caught smoking the funning stuff. I hate to bust your bubble, but that is something 99% of the adults in this county can say they have never done, much less be stupid enough to light up then crawl behind the wheel of their truck and parade themselves down a public road on a Sunday afternoon.

41% or about 100 million Americans have smoked pot according to the US gov's Dept of Health :
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/142556/over_100_million_americans_have_smo...

it's probably much higher too as people sometimes tend to fib when asked about doing something illegal.

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Agreed Nuk..

the comments that some make on this board never cease to amaze me. They just come out of left field with unbelievable one liners. And SB expects every one to believe him. :)

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So, do you get up at the meetings and show your support for The

Three? If not, did anyone stop you or did you choose not to? Did you feel too threatened to do so by that choreographed group you refer to? Are they choreographed or perhaps just firm in their belief in what is right or wrong? Do you think it is right for a commissioner to state that he does not care what his constituents want and regardless of whatever is presented he will always be for the Bypass? Sounds like he is "for the people", just some other peope than those who voted him into office.

People keep pointing out that Steve Brown doesn't have a full time job as if it were a sin, or that he is a stay-at-home dad as if that was a triple sin. More power to him. We need more involved dads not less. And whether he works out of the home or his wife works out of the home is between them, not us. At least he isn't being stopped with drugs in his auto, or found parked in a car in a compromising position with someone under his jurisdiction. Even though from what some write on this blog, they would prefer that to his being a stay-at-home dad. Shows where their values are! Oh, by the way, my memory is failing me right now, could you remind me of a few of the wonderful things these three 'fine' men have accomplished while on the commission.

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Choreographed or just a follower,

call it what you want. You know as well as I do that only the ones that are prodded to react are the ones to speak up. Oh yea, there are only a hand full of of residents that speak up compared to the number of voters that represent Fayette County (always has been and always will be) and yes I was at the last 3 meetings. Good for Frady to stand up to Bubba Brown.. One more fact, whenever there is controversy it is normally one sided because there is such a small group against the issue.

Now as for the stay-at-home dad, your right there is nothing wrong with it. I agree we need more dads involved in their childrens lives. My point was the same as our current national leader, what qualifies him to run anything (Brown). He sits up on the stage and all he can do is cause controversy. He he is aginst everything presented to him. I strongly believe he is following the orders from past failed conmmissioners.

I hate to pick on the Democrats but their way of dealing with issues is to grand stand and then sit back and say see what sticks. Brown is in it for himself and his cronies. Wait and see. When the other three commissioners are gone we will have one heck of a mess. There will be bad feelings between departments and the Comissioners, such as Sheriff's Dept., Public Works, etc. Good employees will be leaving to escape the micromanagement.

This County will not be worried about Riverdale moving South, they will be to busy thinking about their next four years with the 5 stooges or maybe four. McCarty might just grow some @$*&^% and stand up to someone.. I will be moving out of this fine county soon but not soon enough.

If it weren't for special interest groups, and the by-pass, puppet Brown would still be washing and folding clothes. Too Bad.

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My TIMITE - The Fayette Gang of Three

Well, they got elected and re-elected....over and over again in Mr. Frady's case.

So, I guess they are doing something right for someone.

The only question is who do they represent? ;-)

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The sad thing PTCO, is that so many people pay no attention to

the people they elect. So many just vote for a name they see on the ballot and recognize. I have a friend who thinks they are all so wonderful, especially Frady because they are so 'nice' and thinks they have done so much good for Fayette County, yet when I ask that person to give me particulars, they are at a loss. They can only say well they have been there a long time and they seem nice! Same way with WFBypass--ask them why they think it is a good thing and who it benefits and they have no answer. Yet, this is a business person who holds a very responsible position, is active on county committees, etc., and is completely clueless, yet thinks they are an educated, contributing member of our society--so where do you think the people who are less educated and informed stand if this person can feel this way? Sad, isn't it?

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Mytmite is right on Frady

Herb Frady was harmless while he was part of the minority. But we can see what happens when we give his kind a majority voting block. We are paying a dear price now.

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Right on, johenry. Save 24 months for recycling

True enough about Mr. Frady. Save that post and in just 24 short months you may be able to use it again by substituting "Steve Brown" for "Herb Frady" as it is a distinct possibility that Brown will be able to ride his current populist position to the chairman's chair. No doubt most of the candidates that emerge to run against the 3 road builders will flogging that pony and Brown is almost certain to pick up at least one more compliant toady who along with McCarty will make him king. Watch out and don't act surprised.

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MYTMITE - Democracy

at work.

You get the kind of government that special interests vote for, it is very rarely what people actually want.

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Sad to say, you are so right. Yet, what other country would you

want to live in--it is ours warts and all. We love it just as we love our children no matter how far from perfect they are--but they can't fault us for wanting it better just as we want our children to be better and do better. Ah. well---enjoy this week-end and this country where we are still free to say what we want (at least most of the time lol), Happy 4th and let's remember those who have fought and are still fighting so we can disagree.

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MY TMITE - Yes indeed

I travel extensively and have visited all parts of the world, staying at length in some places I would rather not be, seeing suffering that is unimaginable in the USA. You are right this country is the last best hope for mankind. It is up to those that believe in the concepts and ideas illuminated by the founders, never to give up on our country or these ideals.

Life has always been a struggle between good and evil, even well intentioned evil.

When we are confronted with evil, we must expose it, when we are sold a bill of goods, we must object to it, when our freedom is taken from us using the tyranny of the legislature we must fight against it.

It is our country to defend and protect. The millions of men and women that have died for our individual freedom demand no less.

God bless our country, and Happy 4th of July to you.

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html

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Mtremember

What benefit is "remembering" the service men and women?

Might I suggest that you write or call our two deaf Senators and Mr. Moreland to do something about money to treat those who are maimed by the war. Also, the families who have been destroyed by long multiple hitches!

It is a rotten shame how we are treating them!

Now that would be "remembering" them.

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I have written to all our politicians about just such things

over the years, through many so called "conflicts", since we don't seem to have wars anymore. You have to declare war--don't have to declare "conflicts', 'police actions' and sucn. The way our government treats our service personnel especially after they come home is disgraceful. The trouble with calling, writing, e-mailing, texting, etc. to almost all of those politicians is that you receive a form letter than very often does not even address what you contacted them about. I would imagine that in most cases the most our letters to them do is become an X in the for or against column on any issue. Sad. That is why I say remember our service personnel, we have to keep contacting everyone we can and maybe eventually someone will get the message. But I am not holding my breath.

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I don't understand your meaning about "undeclared" wars, etc.

Dead and maimed soldiers are just as much dead and maimed no matter what congress does!

Just spend as much time and money on this problem as we have been about the WBP! Or the Mayor. Or Brown.

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Round, you are so used to writing and reading your own rhetoric

that you never understand what people say here when they speak in plain old English. Yes, I realize that service personnel are just as maimed or dead regardless of what congress does. Just pointed out that those in power find ways to get around our laws to accomplish what they want and that happens regardless of the party. Be it a "conflict', 'police action" or war to those who are actually doing the fighting it is the same thing. Just a case of semantics.

I would wish you a Happy Fourth of July but in your usual curmedgeonly way you would find fault with that also.

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Socialism Sonnet

Socialism, socialism, part or full-time,
Without some of it to use we don't survive.
Most politicians go both ways spinning on a dime.
I am of the opinion that we must do so to be alive.

There is the military, the roads and water dams,
The pensions and health of our warriors and workers,
The research investments, the protection of our lands.
As we all are of the same species, we support our shirkers.

Great Universities and vast technologies charm the worlds.
And our human diversity creates intelligence beyond dreams.
We collect the taxes and after careful study by windy swirls,
We allow them to spend as they please, on paper by the reams.

Were it not for "religion," money desire and war,
We might find that we do not need so much more!

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addendum

Sonnet not meant to be a N. Korean type socialistic critique!

Just for those who think we have no socialism here now.

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Roundabout - You know

that I don't communicate with you for many reasons, but on this one you are right.

However, don't count on the government to do the right thing by our veterans.

Support the Wounded Warrior Project

http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org

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PTCO: Vets

When questioned as to why months, up to a year, are required to investigate as to the authenticity of a vets claim, the VA indicates that it takes a lot of time to sort out those wanting much more than they deserve!

I don't know if their problem is that or if they are simply inefficient.

Yes, there are people in all things involving money, who will claim sickness or the inability to work well, but that can not be allowed to hold up the majority.

It also takes the Medicare people maybe two years and a passel of lawyers and doctors to obtain approval coverage from them when disabled. For the same reasons they say.

Everyone from Bush to Obama has agreed that the situation is bad, but little has improved.

There are serious consequences for 35-40,000 wounded and maimed in a long war. I don't think that was considered when we entered those wars. (Many brain damaged vets also are not included in that 35-40,000).

May be hard to get the next generation of volunteer actives, reserves, and Guard members!

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I have to ask roundabout...

do you think government provided national health care to the masses will be any better?

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Cyclist:than what the VA does?

Not if we make the same mistakes with it!

Soldiers are one thing; an enterprise run by civilians that is approximately 35% of our GNP (including pill people) is another!

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PTCO

If not communicating is for "many" reasons, I suppose it is because I disagree with much of what you say!

Do you even know how our senators and reps voted on VA budgets and methods for the last few years? The speak on it, they remember it, etc., but that is all!

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PTC, thank you for that address. Appreciate it.

As i said to our old compadre, Roundie, the way we treat our military when they are no longer useful (and lately even when they are useful) is a shame.

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This Brown fellow seems to me to be an ideal candidate for either state or federal political office!
Maybe even someday going from Governor to President of the USA!

I have evaluated all other local, state, and federal politicians and discovered that they have the same goals as Mr. Brown.

That is, to be in politics for life fortune, or pension, whichever comes first.

All one has to do is make a list of bloviations about "family values; women's rights; taxes; welfare; capitalism; immigrants; taxes on wealth; minimum wage; and ignoring all regulations possible.

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Maligning law-abiding developers

Commissioner Brown isn't maligning developers. Commissioners Frady, Hearn and Horgan are maligning the taxpayers! The people are screaming, "STOP WASTING OUR MONEY!"

The local government doesn't have an obligation to build roads for the developers. Let the developers build their own road.

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OXYMORONS of more than two words

Law abiding developers

Honest trustworthy lawyers

Helpful bankers

Religious hedge-fund managers

Principled Term Insurance salesmen

Hospital detailed services

Wonderful Pharmaceutical companies

Motherhood apple pie chevrolet and average women

Newt's brilliance.

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No, no, no! That's much too expensive

Roads cost a lot of money. Developers have to buy the land and put in all the streets and utilities and that's expensive enough. No developer in his right mind would take on the expense of building roads that go nowhere and only provide access for your neighboring and competing developer. So, that leaves the county - a few who are not quite sane and sober and the unlimited money provided by the taxpayer.

Some developers support certain candidates and even contribute to their campaign funds and sometimes their personal funds and occasionally a condo in Panama City if they get decisions like this made and those expensive roads built, according to Mr. Brown. Hope he pursues that line of thought and gets some proof this time. It would be great to actually prove some of those allegations. Maybe Cal can help. Stories about stuff like that would be good for The Citizen. Follow the money!

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mudcat, "a condo in Panama City", where have I heard that before

"Some developers support certain candidates and even contribute to their campaign funds and sometimes their personal funds and occasionally a condo in Panama City if they get decisions like this made and those expensive roads built, according to Mr. Brown."

Wasn't it just a few years ago that someone with direct ties to a local PAC accused Steve Brown of getting a 'good deal' on a condo in Panama City from a local developer?

Don't you find it strange that local developers only seem to buy local politicians condos in Panama City?

If you don't remember this story going around perhaps "dead guy" remembers.

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You betcha, bad guy. Think it was a famous local attorney

that made that accusation. The sales price was much lower than you would expect, but this was probably due to the age-old hobby of local builders and developers of investing in futures of condos in buildings yet to be built. They would put 10% down on a steeply discounted price just to help the building meet the lender's pre-sale requirement, then when the building was nearing completion they would flip the condos at a much higher price - without ever having actually owned it. Brown could have bought one of those and kept it or he could have gotten one from someone who didn't inflate the price. Nothing illegal with either one and I think the attorney that made the accusation back-peddled away from that pretty quickly. DirectPAC wouldn't touch that hot potato.

Funny you should mention "dead guy" Morgan as he is in his condo in Destin this week. Hubby and I used it last year. Wonderful building and several Fayette families own there. They have an owners book in the lobby and I just had to look through it.

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mudcat/ginga

Sure does sound like a cozy relationship amongst many here in Fayette!

I can see where all of the Yankees moving in and questioning everything going on causes embarrassment and stomach aches. Especially for judges, realtors, developers, bankers, and county employees!

Does anyone who has been here for more than 10 years, besides pilots, actually do hard work for a living and are not paid by taxpayers or is not retired?

I seem to have missed out on my chances on how to get the word about good investments ahead of time and had to just pound the concrete and be frugal about condos, expensive vacations, eating 6-8 meals out a week, and drinking expensive wine!

One simply can not make a lot of money by just being completely fair and honest and not taking advantage of information not available to most!

Of course, most of the women involved actually say they know "noooothhi ngg! Kinda like Mafia wives!

You ladies of course are not my object in this tirade, but it is my impression of here after 32 years. Sad.

No wonder the Indians didn't want us to have this place. The churches also have a tough time being closed mouth about many of their "sinners."

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Mudcat & Suggar, I Heard It Through The Grapevine

that one of our highest paid county employees is spending a week with his family in Panama City condo. I know who the employee is, but I don't know who owns the condo.

I also know that most of the commissioners and some employees were wined, dined, and entertained in Savannah by "favorite son" companies that do business with the county.

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ginga: Sounds like GA Power/Southern Company

They usually foot the bill in Savannah during the GMA annual conference for local govs to eat at an upscale restaurant downtown.

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Nuk_1 Really dumb

It would take some really dumb politicans to sell their vote for a condo in PC and fine dining in Savannah. I would say that they not only had bad judgement, but poor taste. LOL

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very good Mudcat...you probably got the angle right

"Some developers support certain candidates and even contribute to their campaign funds and sometimes their personal funds and occasionally a condo in Panama City if they get decisions like this made and those expensive roads built, according to Mr. Brown. Hope he pursues that line of thought and gets some proof this time. It would be great to actually prove some of those allegations. Maybe Cal can help. Stories about stuff like that would be good for The Citizen. Follow the money!"

So many of us have wondered how the shell game is played. I had thought possible shares of stock in some small company that would benefit directly by the actions of the elected official.

Or, it could be something as simple as a new car.

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mud, Developers Didn't Buy All The Land

In fact, most of the developer land along the WFB is owned by large families. Hundreds and hundreds of acres are owned by two old Fayette County families. They have owned the land for many generations. Some of those family members just happen to be developers. Those two families have been sitting on the land just waiting for the opportunity to cash in when the time is right.

I attended one commission meeting where Chairman Frady made the comment that a developer had told him that if the county would pave a certain dirt road the developer would get busy and develop the property along that road. During the discussion, Commissioner Steve Brown said that he couldn't go along with spending money needed for more important projects to pave a road with only two houses on it. At the next commission meeting, the road was approved for paving with a vote of 3 to 2.

Having known and talked to members of both families with vast acreage along the WFB, it is my understanding that the families couldn't afford to develop the property without the county's help. The City of Fayetteville and Fayette County want the larger tax base the development will bring.

So, Fayette citizens paid over $100,000,000 into the SPLOST funds, and county officials seized that opportunity to build a road that would enable developers.

The fact that Commissioner Bennett Lee Hearn and his cousin, Addison Lester, are members of a much larger family and that larger family partnership owns property along and has sold property along the WFB is inconsequential?

The fact that Commissioner Hearn's cousin, Addison Lester, also sits on the Fayetteville Development Authority, Fayetteville wants the revenue from the developed property, and the Lester Family Limited Partnership has already sold property along Phase I of the WFB is inconsequential?

Lastly, Commissioner Hearn has said for years that the WFB is his "baby." Now, Commissioner Hearn has gone so far as to say that "nothing" will ever change his mind about building the WFB and he doesn't "care" what the citizens have to say about it.

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That is extremely disturbing

"I attended one commission meeting where Chairman Frady made the comment that a developer had told him that if the county would pave a certain dirt road the developer would get busy and develop the property along that road. During the discussion, Commissioner Steve Brown said that he couldn't go along with spending money needed for more important projects to pave a road with only two houses on it. At the next commission meeting, the road was approved for paving with a vote of 3 to 2."

It is developer welfare!

My father started his own business over 60 years ago back home. If he had gone to the county commissioners and said "I need you to build a road for me to start up...I just don't have the money"..they would have laughed in his face and told him to go get a loan like everyone else has to do! And they would have been right in doing so.

There is no way in this world you can justify taking the masses(taxpayers) money and using it for a few to get rich.

These people are ignorant and should never be in office.

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Well now, that's even better

inheriting land is much cheaper than buying it. Guess the developer families now have a choice of reimbursing the taxpayers for the fortune they spent increasing the land's value or just sitting on their hands and making a much larger profit. No wonder Steve Brown has these conspiricy theories - they might even be more than theories. Wonder how much one has to pay for a condo in Panama City nowadays. Let's watch where the 3 amigos vacation when they leave office.

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MUD

Well now I wouldn't consider a condo in Panama City as tell-tell evidence of stolen vast sums!

If they end up in one in Hawaii on the beach, then we will know.

Odds are however they will move to a cabin in Blairsville!

Or, where ever the last few Transportation Commissioners from Georgia now reside! Tahiti, maybe. Isn't Sonny also worth millions more now than when he took office at about $90gs?

Didn't he deepen the channels in Savannah so he could put more trucks on the road to the docks?

Hey, even President Bush, jr., is worth many millions more now than when he took office--he gets $150,000 per speech and 10 mil for a book.
Even President Obama is now a millionaire from books! He will have to beat off offers with a stick when he quits!

Now Newt-----well Newt rakes it in by the shovel full from those he helps.

Good jobs if you can be devious enough to get them!

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mudcat

It is my belief that your sarcasm, regardless of how eloquently penned, is wasted upon those possessing the cognitive skills of a stop sign.

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Yes, sad but true, Mr. King

I still feel the need to please an appreciative audience - no matter how small.

I must admit that for the first time I seriously see some credence in Mr. Brown's never ending harangue against developers and possible under the table payments. Nothing else explains the unrelenting support for this ill-conceived and poorly planned boondoggle. What else can account for the attitudes of these 3 fools?

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mudcat

As difficult as it is I also see credence in what the Commissioner is doing, but until the 'carrot' is exposed(assuming there is one) nothing changes.

Have a great 4th!

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It's time to update this plan.

If a study were to begin right away it could ready by early 2012.

Even this plan indicates there should be updates and revisions along the way.

There have been few if any revisions in 8 years since this began.

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More facts, ma'am

Blessed is the county that incurs no trespass of Interstate highways. Take a look at the other Metro Atlanta counties, all of which are crossed by Interstates, and you can see a difference in living conditions none of us would want.

Which county would you rather live in? Fayette County is an oasis. What people don't realize is that I-75 and I-85 actually direct traffic away from Fayette County rather than to it. That's why we're not Gwinnett South.

We have less traffic than any other county in Metro Atlanta for being no further out than we are. North Fulton and Forsyth Counties are nice, but THE TRAFFIC?? And what about those 1 1/2 hour commutes from Cobb and Cherokee counties that I-75 and Ga. 400 built?

Doggone stubborn, these high density development bloggers.

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Oh pips, you noticed it too?

Thank God I'm not the only one.

Yes, no expressway is a blessing.

Only fools would attract one or anything resembling one.

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I'm for it!

Let's go back to "cord" roads as super highways and of course gravel and clay roads like south Georgia has!

No Corvette, Lexus, or Mercedes allowed.

Start the stagecoaches again and a few trains for transportation.

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Round, you just want stagecoaches back so you can be assured

of a position. I am sure you are the only one around who has ever driven a stagecoach. Trains, i am sure, are much too modern for you.

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MyTkidder

I rode shotgun out of Denver for awhile for Wells-Fargo!

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There, I knew it! You really are Palladin in disguise.

Why do we need a Columbo or a Castle or any of those amateurs when it comes to having Palladin in our very midst? Why don't you use all those wonderful powers you have and get this mess straightened out for us. Palladin used to do it in a half hour--I am sure you are up to it.

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Roundie, I would never restrict you and your powers to such a

small area. I meant for you to settle all the problems of the world. You should be able to do that and still have time to settle down with a Rum and coke and rum and rum in time for the 5 pm news.

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MyTnews

What is the 5 PM news? I know what rum is.

Is the 5 PM news where they tell you about how many robberies and rapes and fires set and cars stolen and tests cheated on and superintendents getting rich by cheating and two people at work for every one job and sitting in dump trucks all day until time to check in, and people escaping from jails after they kill a few, and fires, and fires, and fires?

All we have here is loving judges, stripper judges, broke banks, broke developers and builders, unneeded roads built, porno Chiefs, drunk managers, 23rd generation Irish settlers, and excessive budgets!

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For someone who professes to " I done no noting" you sure seem

to know everything---I think you are making most of the news. Who are the stripper judges, porno chief and drunk mangers, also 23rd generation Irish settlers--aren't you one?

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MtMess

What mess? I don't see a mess in PTC or Fayetteville.

Banks, developers, AND WALL STREET, YES.

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Fayette County Transportation Element from 2003 (FYI)

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TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT
Our future patterns of land use will be based on that of our growing highway system as surely as
the human body is molded about its skeleton.
- Paul B. Sears
INTRODUCTION
Fayette County is showing the growing pains common to most counties of a rural nature
experiencing rapid growth. From 1980 to 2000, Fayette County’s population grew from 29,043
to 91,263, an increase of 214 percent. This growth has placed large volumes of traffic on rural
roads and two-lane state highways not designed for such capacity. In addition to the growth in
Fayette County, growth in surrounding counties is adding to the traffic volume in Fayette County.
This growth in traffic has increased congestion and created safety problems, particularly at major
intersections within municipal limits during morning and afternoon traffic peaks. Socio-econonic
factors, such as high automobile availability and two-worker households, also contribute to the
increasing demand for transportation services and facilities. As Fayette County grows, its
transportation facilities must be improved to accommodate the increasing demand.
In an effort to address transportation needs in Fayette County, the Fayette County Board of
Commissioners contracted with the URS Corporation to update the Fayette County
Transportation Plan. The update was completed in 2003. The municipalities within the county
participated in the planning process. The plan recommends transportation improvements in both
the unincorporated county and the municipalities. Timing for the improvements range from 2003
to 2025. The total cost for these improvements is approximately $266 million. The
transportation improvement projects defined in the plan are discussed under the section entitled
Assessment of Current and Future Needs.
INVENTORY
The following section provides an inventory of Fayette County’s existing transportation system.
It details the county’s inventory of highways and roads, bicycle and pedestrian ways, current
transportation options, and railroad and airports.
Highways and Roads
Six major highways provide access to, from, and within Fayette County.
State Route 85 runs south from I-75, through Clayton County, into Fayette County north
of Fayetteville. This four-lane highway continues south through Fayetteville where it
narrows to two lanes and continues south into Coweta County. This is the most highly
traveled state highway in the county and carries some 44,200 vehicles a day.
State Route 54 is the main east-west highway in the county. It extends from Coweta
County on the west, through Peachtree City, eastward through Fayetteville, to Clayton
County. SR 54 is a four lane, divided highway from SR 74 in Peachtree City to
McDonough Road, east of Fayetteville. The sections west of SR 74 and east of
McDonough Road remain two lanes. The most heavily traveled portions of this highway
carry 33,000 vehicles a day.
State Route 74 is a four lane highway from Interstate 85 south to SR 54 in Peachtree
City. South of SR 54, it becomes two lanes, ending at SR 85. This major access to
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Interstate 85 and the Atlanta Metropolitan Area carries 31,600 vehicles a day.
State Route 314 extends southward from Hartsfield International Airport to SR 85 in
Fayetteville. The southern portion of this highway (SR 279 to SR 85) is a four lane
divided highway. The major commuting route for airport workers, this highway carries
22,400 vehicles a day.
State Route 279 runs south from I-285 in South Fulton County, entering Fayette County
at SR 138. It proceeds southwest across SR 314 and ends at SR 85 north of the City of
Fayetteville. SR 279 is a two-lane highway and carries 16,700 vehicles a day.
State Route 92 extends southward from Fulton County, running northwest to southeast
through Fayetteville and Woolsey, and continuing into Spalding County. It is two lanes
throughout Fayette County, except for the section with passing lanes on SR 92 north and
the section in the City of Fayetteville where State Routes 85 and 92 merge. This highway
carries commuter traffic from Griffin and Spalding County north to the airport and the
Atlanta Metropolitan Area. Such traffic totals 13,800 vehicles a day.
The County’s Thoroughfare Plan classifies streets by a hierarchical system based on street
function. This classification system is based on the need to balance traffic movement and
accessability on different roadways. The classifications used by the Thoroughfare Plan include
arterial, collector and local streets. The three categories of street classification are discussed
below:
Arterial Streets - An arterial street is intended to provide swift, safe, and convenient
traffic movement within and through the county. A major thoroughfare, an arterial street
generally moves high volumes of traffic through the county and provides access to the
interstate network. Arterial streets generally accommodate two or four lanes of moving
traffic, often with turning lanes to accommodate traffic flow.
Collector Streets - Collector streets distribute traffic from arterials to local streets and
adjacent land uses. They also collect traffic from local areas and distribute it to the arterial
network. The collector network primarily serves localized areas. The main difference
between collector and arterial streets is the length and type of trip accommodated.
Local Streets - A local street provides access to adjoining properties and circulation
within a limited area. Local streets are usually low volume roads associated with
subdivisions or areas which are primarily residential in nature. They comprise the highest
percentage of total street miles within the county.
The Fayette County Road Department maintains approximately 468 miles of roads of which 61
miles are unpaved. The county maintains all roads in the unincorporated area, Brooks and
Woolsey. The Town of Tyrone, the City of Fayetteville, and the City of Peachtree City perform
maintenance on their roads, but the Fayette County Road Department provides repaving services
to these cities by contract.
The interstate system presently serving the Atlanta Metropolitan Area does not pass through
Fayette County. The closest interstate highway, Interstate 85, is approximately 1.5 miles to the
north. Local access to Interstate 85 is provided through SR 74 and Palmetto Road.
Bicycle And Pedestrian Ways
Fayette County has a county-wide bicycle plan, as part of the Regional Transportation Plan
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(RTP), on file with the Atlanta Regional Commission. This submittal allows the county to apply
for any available state/federal funds, such as Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act
(ISTEA) funds. The bicycle plan generally provides bicycle path connections between county
municipalities, recreational areas (Kiwanis and McCurry Parks), historic areas (Starr’s Mill) and
adjacent counties (Fulton and Clayton).
The first bicycle path is planned along Beauregard/Redwine Road. It is a joint project between
the City of Fayetteville and Fayette County. It is partially funded through the RTP and
Transportation Improvement Plan (TIP) process. The path is planned to eventually connect the
City of Fayetteville with Kiwanis Park in the unincorporated county.
Transportation Options
Fayette County’s residents are dependent on the automobile as the major mode of transportation.
Publicly funded transportation does not exist in Fayette County. Car and van pool use is minimal.
A privately owned shuttle service transports commuters to downtown Atlanta from Peachtree
City.
The Georgia Department of Transportation (GDOT) completed a Commuter Rail Plan in
September 1995 that recommended the phased implementation of six commuter rail lines using
existing rail corridors. One proposed line would use the existing Seaboard System rail line
through Fayette County with proposed stations in Tyrone and Peachtree City. The commuter rail
service would terminate in Senoia. To date, the development of the Atlanta to Senoia commuter
rail service through Fayette County has not been scheduled.
Railroads and Airports
Railroads. There are two rail lines running through Fayette County: Seaboard System and
Norfolk Southern. The Seaboard System line runs north/south from Fulton County through
Peachtree City to Senoia. Rail service to industrial areas in Peachtree City is provided by CSX
Railroad on this line. The Norfolk Southern line runs east/west from Griffin through Brooks to
Senoia. The Norfolk Southern line is no longer in use although the tracks are still in place.
Airports: Falcon Field in Peachtree City, within the confines of the Peachtree City industrial area,
is the county’s only general aviation airport. This airport is experiencing an increase in the
amount of corporate usage. A 5,200 foot all-weather-lighted runway allows this airport to
accommodate corporate jets and smaller commercial airplanes. There are also a number of small
private landing fields located in the county.
ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS
Fayette County will continue to depend on the automobile as the major mode of transportation
within the scope of this plan. Therefore, maintaining and improving the efficiency of the existing
road system is of paramount importance. Projects recommended in the updated Fayette County
Transportation Plan include bridge projects, intersection improvements, and roadway projects
which will maintain and improve the traffic flow.
Needed improvements are expensive and cannot be fully funded from the general fund. In
addition, Fayette County is in competition with other metro counties for a finite amount of federal
and state funds. The county should seek alternative funding sources such as a Special Local
Option Sales Tax (SPLOST) or bonds for local road improvements.
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The Fayette County Transportation Plan recommends transportation improvement projects. Each
project includes a description of the need it fulfills, an estimated total cost for the project, and the
cost allocation in terms of federal, state, and local shares. The Plan contains 10 bridge
improvement projects, 20 intersection improvements, 28 roadway projects, seven streetscape and
greenway projects, and six transit projects. The following is a summary of the projects in the
Fayette County Transportation Plan.
Bridge Improvement Projects: Seven of the ten bridge improvement projects are located in the
unincorporated county. These bridge projects are listed in Table T-1.
TABLE T-1
BRIDGE PROJECTS
RECOMMENDED
IMPLEMENTATION
PERIOD PROJECT LOCATION
2003 - 2005 SR 85 at Morning Creek
2006 - 2010 Coastline Road at Whitewater Creek
2006 - 2010 Westbridge Road at Morning Creek
2006 - 2010 Kenwood Road at Morning Creek
2006 - 2010 Inman Road at Murphy Creek
2006 - 2010 McIntosh Road at the Flint River
2006 - 2010 SR 85 at Whitewater Creek
Source: Fayette County Transportation Plan - Final Report, 2003.
Intersection Improvement Projects: Nine of the 20 intersection improvement projects are
located in the unincorporated county. One project, which is located in the Town of Brooks, will
be the responsibility of Fayette County. These intersection improvements are listed in Table T-2.
TABLE T-2
INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS
RECOMMENDED
IMPLEMENTATION
PERIOD PROJECT DESCRIPTION
2003 - 2005 Signal modification at SR 314 and SR 279
2003 - 2005 Intersection improvements at SR 54 and McDonough Road
2006 - 2010 Installation of signal at SR 92 and Gingercake Road
2006 - 2010 Install turning lanes and signal at S. Jeff Davis Drive and County Line Road
2006 - 2010 Intersection improvements at SR 92, Harp Road, and Seay Road
2006 - 2010 Intersection improvements at Antioch Road and McBride Road
2006 - 2010 Add left turn lanes where Kingswood Drive and Hilo Road intersects with SR 92
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2006 - 2010 Realignment of intersection of SR 85 Connector and Woolsey-Brooks Road in the
Town of Brooks
2011 - 2015 Realignment of intersection of Sandy Creek Road, Sams Drive, and Eastin Road
2011 - 2015 Realignment of intersection of Goza Road and Antioch Road
Source: Fayette County Transportation Plan - Final Report, 2003.
Roadway Improvement Projects: The Transportation Plan lists 28 total roadway projects.
Thirteen of these 28 projects are located solely in the unincorporated County. Three are in both
the unincorporated county and a municipality; one is a multi-jurisdictional Corridor Plan, and the
remaining projects are located solely within a municipality. A summary of the projects is listed in
Table T-3.
TABLE T-3
ROADWAY PROJECTS
RECOMMENDED
IMPLEMENTATION
PERIOD PROJECT DESCRIPTION
2003 - 2005 SR 74
Corridor Plan
It is recommended that a multi-jurisdictional master plan be
developed for the SR 74 north corridor. The jurisdictions include
Fayette County, Fulton County, Fairburn, Tyrone, and Peachtree
City. The issues include traffic growth, congestion and safety, level
of vehicular access, and corridor management.
2006 - 2010 SR 74 Widen SR 74 to a four lane divided highway from SR 54 south to SR
85. This is a GDOT project. The project is located in the
unincorporated county and the City of Peachtree City.
2006 - 2010 SR 54 Widen SR 54 to a four lane divided highway from McDonough Road
east to US 41/Tara Blvd. in Clayton County. This is a GDOT
project.
2006 - 2010 McDonough
Road (SR 920)
Widen McDonough Road to a four lane divided highway from SR 54
east to US 41/Tara Blvd. in Clayton County. This is a GDOT
project.
2006 - 2015 East
Fayetteville
Bypass
This project will create a eastern bypass around the City of
Fayetteville through a north-south connection from SR 92 to SR 85
and SR 279 to relieve congestion in downtown Fayetteville. This
project supplies a connection from south SR 92 through Inman
Road, County Line Road, a new road connecting County Line Road
with Corinth Road, and Corinth Road to SR 85 and SR 279. It is
proposed that the portion from South Jeff Davis Road north to SR 85
and SR 279 be a four lane roadway.
2006 - 2015 Northside
Parkway
This project will provide a continuous east-west route through the
northern section of the county from SR 85 to Palmetto Road.
Operational improvements on Kenwood Road which involve various
intersection and turn lane improvements between SR 92 and SR 279
will facilitate a connection to the East Fayetteville Bypass.
Intersection improvements are recommended at Lee’s Mill Road and
Sandy Creek Road and Jenkins Road and Sandy Creek Road, and the
reconstruction of turn lanes along Jenkins and Sandy Creek Roads.
The extension of either Jenkins Road or Sandy Creek Road to
Trickum Creek Road will provide a connection to Palmetto Road.
This portion of the project is in the unincorporated county and the
Town of Tyrone.
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TABLE T-3, continued.
ROADWAY PROJECTS
RECOMMENDED
IMPLEMENTATION
PERIOD PROJECT DESCRIPTION
2006 - 2015 West
Fayetteville
Bypass
This project will create a western bypass around the City of
Fayetteville through a north-south connection from SR 92 to SR 85
to relieve congestion in downtown Fayetteville. This project
provides a connection from SR 92 to Sandy Creek Road through a
new road which runs south from Westbridge Road to Tillman Road.
A new road runs south from Sandy Creek Road across SR 54 to
Lester Road. The last portion of the connection utilizes two
alternatives. Alternative one would consist of extending Lester Road
south across Ebenezer Road to Harp Road Alternative two involves
extending Ebenezer Church Road east across Redwine Road to Harp
Road.
2011 - 2015 SR 314 Widen SR 314 to a four lane divided highway from SR 279 north to
Norman Drive in Fulton County. This is a GDOT project.
2011 - 2015 SR 85 Widen SR 85 to a four lane divided highway from SR 92 to SR 74.
This is a GDOT project.
2011 - 2025 SR 92 This project involves the installation of turn lanes and intersection
improvements from McBride Road south to the Spalding county line.
This is a GDOT project.
2011 - 2015 Hampton
Road
Realignment
This project includes the relocation of Hampton Road creating a new
intersection with SR 92 and providing a new roadway connecting to
Woolsey-Brooks Road. This project is in the unincorporated county
and the Town of Woolsey.
2021 - 2025 Tyrone and
Palmetto
Roads
Widen Tyrone and Palmetto Roads from SR 74 to I-85 to four lanes
to accommodate future demand as this roadway provides a
connection to Interstate 85. This project is in the unincorporated
county and the Town of Tyrone and will require coordination with
Coweta County.
Source: Fayette County Transportation Plan - Final Report, 2003.
School/Hospital Access Road Project: The Land Use Plan Map indicates a proposed access
road to be located on the north side of, and parallel to, SR 54 between Tyrone Road and the
hospital property. Access will be provided to the future high school site. The proposed further
eastern extension of this road to the West Fayetteville Bypass (see Table T-3, above) would
provide alternative access to the hospital as well as offer additional traffic circulation options.
MacDuff Parkway Extension: The Land Use Plan Map indicates the extension of MacDuff
Parkway from its current terminus in Peachtree City connecting through a portion of the
unincorporated county to Kedron Drive, also in Peachtree City.
Streetscape and Greenway Projects: The Redwine Road Multi-Use Path is the only streetscape
and greenway project in the Transportation Plan located in unincorporated Fayette County. A
portion of this project is also located in the City of Fayetteville.
Transit Projects: The transit projects identified in the Transportation Plan involve Dial-A-Ride
reimbursements and the previously mentioned Atlanta to Senoia commuter rail service. Dial-ARide
reimbursements are used to provide transportation services to senior citizens.
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In addition to the improvements identified in the Transportation Plan, pedestrian and bicycle
routes should be expanded and developed as alternative transportation opportunities. The county
should consider requiring sidewalks or walking paths in residential subdivisions. The county
would have to develop criteria as to the size or zoning category of residential subdivisions which
would require sidewalks or walking paths. Efforts should be explored to maintain the right-ofways
of rail lines which someday may be abandoned. These right-of-ways could be purchased and
used for recreational trails until such time as they are needed again. Property acquired through
the Fayette County Greenspace Program could provide pedestrian and bicycle routes. The county
should continue to seek ISTEA funds for pedestrian and bicycle facilities.
According to the 2000 Census, approximately two thirds of Fayette County’s workforce drives
out of the county for employment. As the County continues to grow, the feasibility of
transportation options for commuting should be investigated.
At this time, rail and airport transportation appear to be adequate. Existing rail lines serve
industrial areas located in Tyrone and Peachtree City. Falcon Field is located in the Peachtree
City industrial area where the greatest concentration of corporate users are also located.
GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, GUIDELINES
The following goal, objective, and policy statements presented in this section emphasize the need
to maximize the efficiency of the existing and future Fayette County transportation network.
Following the goal is a listing of objectives and policies which address specific issues.
Recommendations or guidelines which suggest courses of action for addressing these issues, are
also provided.
Goal for Transportation: Growth should be balanced with the supporting transportation
infrastructure. Fayette County will continue to develop a transportation system to move people
and goods efficiently while minimizing the environmental impact and community disruption.
Further, the county should establish a framework to ensure the improvement and further
development of the transportation system. Sidewalks and trails should be developed as an
enhancement to transportation facilities.
Objective T-1: Fayette County should provide a road system that provides adequate
local access and capacity for through movements, consistent with the
financial, social, and environmental constraints of the County.
Policy a. Ensure that the street network is planned, designed, and operated in
adherence to the Functional Classification System described in the
Transportation Element.
Policy b. Provide a street network level of service as high as practical: the collector
and arterial street system should operate at no lower than Level of Service
“C” on an average daily basis, or lower than Level of Service “D” on a
peak hour basis. (Note: Levels of Service are “A” (free flow of traffic),
“B” (stable flow, some speed restrictions), “C” (stable flow, restricted
speed ), “D” (approaching unstable flow), “E” (unstable flow) and “F”
(forced flow), reflecting factors such as speed, travel time, traffic
interruptions, and delay.)
Policy c. Continue to provide new roadway construction and other facility
improvements which meet Georgia Department of Transportation
(GDOT) standards for inclusion in the State highway system.
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Policy d. Pursue advanced acquisition of land for future roadway rights-of-way in
order to minimize project costs and impacts on established neighborhoods.
Policy e. Consider funding intersection improvements when highway funding is
insufficient to permit the improvement of full segments, or if the level of
service is low, or if there is a high accident occurrence rate.
Policy f. Provide for the synchronization of traffic signals where appropriate to
improve traffic flow and reduce pollution associated with idling vehicles.
Objective T-2: A comprehensive network of trails and sidewalks should be provided
as an integral element of the overall transportation network.
Policy a. Consider the provision of matching funds for pedestrian, bicycle, and
hiking trail system components in accordance with the Fayette County Bike
and Pedestrian Plan element of the Atlanta Regional Commission’s (ARC)
Transportation Improvement Plan (TIP). In addition, establish pedestrian,
bicycle, and hiking trails in conjunction with road improvements,
abandoned railways and stream valleys.
Policy b. Provide nonmotorized facility improvements in accordance with standards
delineated by the GDOT and the American Association of State Highway
and Transportation Officials (AASHTO).
Policy c. Consider the provision of bicycle and pedestrian features, including clearly
marked sidewalks and trails, and marked crosswalk and pedestrian signals,
in the construction and reconstruction of roads and bridges.
Objective T-3: The programming of improvements to the transportation system
should be sensitive to the county’s identified land use goals and
objectives.
Policy a. Recognize anticipated future levels of demand based on the land use plan
and operating conditions, as well as existing conditions, when making
programming decisions.
Objective T-4: Transportation facilities and services should be provided in a manner
that minimize community disruption and adverse environmental
impacts.
Policy a. Use all reasonable means to minimize adverse impacts of existing and
planned transportation facilities and services on environmental and historic
resources and neighborhood stability.
Objective T-5: Fayette County should work to ensure adequate financing for
maintaining its transportation system and for its transportation
system’s improvements.
Policy a. Develop and implement a responsible financial plan that identifies existing
and new funding mechanisms to achieve the County's transportation system
objectives.
Policy b. Pursue increased state and federal support for road improvement projects.
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Policy c. Supplement state and federal funding of secondary roadways and other
high priority projects, and continue local funding initiatives.
Policy d. Increase funding for pedestrian, bicycle and hiking trails, including state
and federal sources with the realization that state and federal funding will
require a County match ranging from 20 to 40 percent.
Policy e. Seek multi-jurisdictional funding sources for transportation facilities and
services.
Objective T-6: Ensure public safety for the users of transportation facilities and
services and for the general public.
Policy a. Incorporate medians and separate turning lanes in the design of roadways
having four or more travel lanes.
Policy b. Upgrade existing roadways to correct unsafe conditions along segments
which have substandard geometries such as horizontal and vertical
alignments with inferior sight distances. Upgrades could include side
clearances, shoulder widenings, and guardrail installations. Incorporate
safety features into new transportation facilities both for the users and for
the general public.
Policy c. Reduce conflicts among pedestrians, bicyclists, and motorists and correct
unsafe conditions for walking and bicycling, where feasible. This could be
accomplished by providing separate pedestrian and bike paths, walk/don’t
walk signalization, etc.
Objective T-7: Fayette County should, to the extent consistent with other county
goals and objectives, maximize the efficiency with which each facility
within the transportation system fulfills its assigned function.
Policy a. Maximize the efficiency of existing roads through low-cost strategies to
increase capacity such as channelization, turning lanes, signalization, and
signage.
Policy b. Preserve and enhance the efficiency of the arterial network by reducing and
consolidating private entrances, median crossovers, and similar disruptions
to traffic flow. Also improve intersection efficiency by providing
appropriate turning lanes and signalization.
Policy c. Increase neighborhood safety on subdivision streets. Work with local law
enforcement agencies, county departments, and neighborhoods to
implement Traffic Calming and other measures where needed or practical.
Examples of Traffic Calming techniques include deflecting the vehicle path
by adding curves and/or traffic circles; changing the pavement surface,
which demands driver attention and reduces the comfortable driving speed;
and adding standard traffic control devices such as STOP signs, turnmovement
prohibitions, traffic signals, and reducing the posted speed limit.
Objective T-8: Preserve land needed to accommodate planned transportation
facilities.
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Policy a. Establish right-of-way requirements and preserve the land for future
roadway improvements.
Policy b. Prepare engineering plans for future transportation improvements as soon
as feasible in order to clarify and secure right-of-way requirements and to
develop improved cost estimates.
Objective T-9: Periodically review and update the transportation plan.
Policy a. Monitor changes in travel patterns, traffic, and the provision of
transportation facilities and services. Evaluate the transportation plan’s
ability to address future travel needs as part of the periodic review process.
Policy b. Conduct major corridor level and community-wide transportation planning
studies in an effort to refine the plan and comprehensively address systemwide
transportation needs within the County.
Policy c. Consider regional travel patterns when formulating and implementing the
County’s transportation plan with consideration of ARC and Georgia
Regional Transportation Authority ( GRTA) transportation policies.
Fayette County should address the transportation challenges associated
with continuing trends in intra-county commuting patterns.

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Thanks for reciting county data but

The amount of traffic on a particular road is meaningless unless a detailed traffic study is made considering road capacity, destinations, number of passengers, number of vehicles,number of traffic signals, trends, economic forecasts.etc.

Our esteemed leaders never did conduct a study that can prove existing traffic patterns make the current alignment of the WFB our only salvation from the eternal parking lot. They did one that will show what traffic the WFB can handle. You or I could do the same thing with a Tyrone-Woolsey tollway, but that doesn't mean we would need it.

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PIPS,BHH. & County Background Data

I find it quite pertinent, inasmuch as the current commission has generally ignored what I'm sure was an expensive report and done as they damn well pleased!
All I can say is I hope voters are happy with what they voted for when they chose to throw Greg Dunn & Company out of office! I feel quite confident that if that group was still in office, this current spending situation would never have happened.

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Elections have consequences!

Hoover, Nixon, Bushs', etc.

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Yes roundabout....

and I'll add Obama to that list.

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cyclist: Obama?

Why add him to the list?

A little over 2 years there and most of the important banks and auto companies were saved. A Depression may have been prevented.

The wars are coming to an end with, IMO, evidence that they were useless!

Most of our debt was Reagan's and Bush's! The lap over into President Obama's 2 years was due to the previous 8!

We will now finally get a health bill for everyone.

Social Security and Medicaid will be saved.

You will need to wait until 2016 at least to judge his performance and at least ten years after that to be accurate!

I'll even bet by then we will have solved our water, bridge, dam, etc., problems! The New Interstates for trucks will have been started, and railroads (high speed) will be running.

We will be on Mars with missiles pointed where necessary!

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roundabout, you are talking about over 100 yrs into the future

and nothing positive will have been attributed to Obama.

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100 years?

It might take a hundred years if the conservatives had anything to do with it!
It hurts their brain to think about such stuff.

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It must be tough always wearing blinders

Roundie your myopic view of events astounds even me.

In your view Obama has:

1. Cut the deficit
2. Saved the Healthcare system
3. Finished all Wars.
4. Accomplished his mission.

The Reality is that:

1. He has spent more then Presidents Washington to Bush combined in just two years.
2. Created a Federal monstrosity that even it's supporters are now saying they went to far.
3. Started two additional Wars in Libya and Yeman while ignoring his own Generals advice in the War in Iraq.
4. I guess we will give you this one if by accomplishing his mission involves crashing the economy and demoralizing our Armed Forces to the point of distraction.

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roundabout
roundabout wrote:

A little over 2 years there and most of the important banks and auto companies were saved. A Depression may have been prevented.

So TARP was an Obama success?

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pips, I understand but everyone keeps asking

what they used to justify the WFB.

This is the only thing I can find and the WFB is way down the list of needs even in this plan.

Originally the EFB was to be built first but when it became obvious the SPLOST would not bring in enough funds to build it the commission was determined to build the WFB instead.

That was just one of the earliest signs that the economy was headed south but it wasn't recognized as such by the commission.

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Just the facts, ma'am

Brown and McCarty ran for commissioner on an anti-West Fayetteville Bypass ("WFB"), anti-SPLOST, and anti-mass transit platform. They got 55% of the vote when they ousted Jack Smith and Eric Maxwell. Therefore, they represent 55% of the citizens of Fayette County that the other three commissioners want to ignore.

Those who voted for Brown and McCarty are deliberately blocked mathematically from commission representation by the Frady, Hearn, Horgan alliance.

The WFB never had a detailed traffic study indicating there was a need for it in terms of demand.

The WFB does not have a viable destination. It ends nowhere.

The WFB is a two lane road, and will not reduce traffic congestion in Fayetteville. Roads that reduce congestion are more than two lanes.

The WFB will benefit only developers, of whom there are many owning large tracts of land on the proposed alignment.

The WFB is allegedly being built for congestion brought about by the future development it will make possible. Just like Rivers School, the WFB is not needed.

The WFB will cost $30 million that the county cannot afford in a poor economy

Growth in Fayette County will be anemic in the forseeable future.

WFB funds could have been applied to reducing county debt and property taxes

The WFB alignment is "gerrymandered" to give developers free access and curb cuts at taxpayers expense

The WFB is being built over a water recharge area in defiance of the county land use plan

The WFB will fragment neighborhoods and property needlessly.

It's a fact that Rivers Elementary School was built along the WFB alignment to accomodate more than 600 students, but has only 40 students. The family that sold the school property is connected to developers.

One commissioner has relatives that own land in the WFB alignment area who stand to benefit if the road goes through

No letters or articles in local newspapers have been in favor of the WFB

No public comments (out of many hundreds) to the Fayette commissioners have been in favor of the WFB

Only the three holdover commissioners and the commissioners ousted in 2010 have spoken publicly in favor of the WFB

Fayetteville's "rush hour" has been timed at ten minutes or less through town on State HIghways 85 and 54.

There you have just some of the facts ma'am.

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The WFB does not have a viable destination. It ends nowhere.

The WFB does not have a viable destination. It ends nowhere.

This is a fine list, but the highlight is the DESTINATION of the bypass. With so many Fayette County citizens working out of the county, how about a bypass from the south part of the county to the Interstate? Not to the other side of the city, dumping me off on a 2 lane road, with no Interstate access.

Imagine how crazy that intersection will be at the WFB and Sandy Creek as a majority of cars will be turning left there to hit GA-74 and get off the road to nowhere.

With a reported 20,000 residents working in Atlanta or Hartsfield, get me to I-85, otherwise, shove your WFB.

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I-85 access at Hwy 92.

There is a back room plan to have a north side only entrance and exit at this junction and that appears to be part of the urgency of the WFB.

Once WFB is built then a more convincing argument can be made for that access point to I-85.

PTC commuters will love it as an alternative to I-74.

Fayetteville will annex most of it and be rolling in new tax dollars as it develops.

The residents of Christian City and much of south Fulton county get easier access to Peachtree-Fayette hospital.

And a new explosion of growth and development for the surrounding areas.

It's completion will be the catalyst for completely changing the the middle of Fayette county.

There will be sprawl similar to what has happened in Coweta and Henry coujnties.

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BHH

"Fayetteville will annex most of it and be rolling in new tax dollars as it develops"

It may very well be the plan to annex land North West of Fayetteville, but where 92 runs into I85 is well over the county line and into Fulton county.

I could be wrong, but aside from the access point being in another county that we have no control over, it is my understanding that they can't put another access but a certain distance from another and that 74 and 92 are way way too close together. If that were the case, they would have to close the 74 entrance and that would really screw the people from Peachtree city.

If you go up there and look at where 92 goes OVER I85, you will see a heavy industrial park to the right, and then big time, high density housing to the left. Again, I could be wrong, but I can't see how they could legally put an entrance there, nor where they could put one. I don't think Fulton has any intention of buying out either the high density homes on the left or the industrial park on the right, to make Fayette county commissioners happy. At the end of the day, it looks like their access from 92 to I85 is a gamble and a stupid one at that. (If we build it they (Fulton) will put us an access road to I85?) What Fulton would face on land acquisition would be what we are facing here, only on steroids!

As far as their 'plan', it would be nice if they would tell the taxpayers. I resent their acting like they know what is best for us.

I don't know, maybe Frady is eyeballing Christian City as his new home and thinks the commute to the meetings would be easier.

go here for access to Fayette county maps.
http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/information/Fayette%20Co.%20road%20map.pdf

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suggarfoot there are ways to provide access.

The problem is that when the subject of access at 92 & I85 was discussed, there was no room for negotiating since Fayette couldn't explain how it would help anything.

The only thing it would have done was direct more traffic through Fayetteville's downtown and down Oakley Ind. right back to the soup at 74. With the WFB in place and Fayette's membership in the ARC a better argument can be made for cooperation on this idea.

Another leg of WFB could arguably be built more directly toward 138 & I85 if Fulton county was on board too. With better access to a new hospital to offer there is some room to negotiate either access point.

There is a plan to redo 74 & I85 it could very well include north entrance and south exit at 92 for passenger vehicles only.

With the WFB in place we show good faith enough to bring the powers that be back to the negotiating table.

The whole process is so uncertain that no one will say that's the plan.

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Bhh

If what they told you is true, that would make sense. But, it still sounds like they are wanting to build the road and then 'hope' someone will help them out.

If they built an access it would work, but it is a very overbuilt area up there and in another county.

The only thing I have know that is concrete and not wishing and hoping is what you mentioned.." direct more traffic through Fayetteville's downtown and down Oakley Ind. right back to the soup at 74."

If they have a real plan, they should tell it. If it is a hope and wish...they should be straight up about that too.

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Now that's a plan - a good one

If this is true, why wouldn't Frady say something about it? I would understand that completely as a reason for voting for this otherwise inexplicable road project.
Of course if that were true, would it not be on that list of road improvements funded by the new transportation tax? Or does this come out of the feds, meaning maybe 10 years, maybe never.

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Well pips when you put it that way, it sounds really bad

There is one other fact that we need to add to the list and that is

They are building the stupid thing, spending money every day and there is no way anyone can stop them.
What arrogance out of the county commission or at least the 3 clueless ones.

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Hey J.

It is always good when an occasional reader wants to catch up with local issues. Maybe going to a commissioners meeting and expressing your view would be a good idea. I have read hundreds of letters and gone to meetings over the last three years and the vast majority responding are not name calling but well thought out opinions. You sure sound smarter then all of the AUTHORS but you seem to lean to one side for someone who does not have an opinion. Calling Mr. Brown silly (is that name calling). Mr. Brown attacks policy not other commissioners.

You seem very well versed on how developers work. Do you have some connection to this business? We have a empty school near the bypass. Was this a waste of money or just bad judgement by the BOE. I am sure you must have an opinion.

The commissioners have presented no facts why this west bypass must be built. No traffic studies or anything that will justify what they are doing. Does it help with traffic congestion in Fayetteville? If it does it has been kept a secret.

So J,the county had a chance to end this argument with a referendum. They said NO. The commissioners are answering to some one or group other then the people. That is the facts. There have been no pro (from the commissioners or people like you), but plenty of con from the people of Fayette County.

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This last meeting seemed to have a slight change of tone.

It seems at this meeting the three amigos at least recognized and tried to address the concerns presented in some reasonable way.

Even though their arguments for the most part do not hold water.

I wonder what the S & P study might say this time next year, since it's the future we are worried about and not the past which this study is based on.

That reference to the vehicles registered in the county is so lame.

Vehicles registered has no relevance what so ever to any need for new roads. Traffic studies would be good.

New roads don't always equal economic growth or generate new construction either.

Just look at South Fulton Pkwy.

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Letter of the Year by J Thomas

Sums it up very eloquently and without hysterics, something that has been missing ever since the furor over the WFB started. The points author Thomas made are quite accurate and a voice of common sense in the wilderness. I think Thomas' opinions are shared by a significant majority in FC too.

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Agree - J. Thomas will get the facts

He/she is correct. Much emotion and accusation, few facts. I see it this way:
Fact: Voters approved a SLOST that gave the commissioners wide discretion with "road improvements".
Another fact: Sales tax was collected from us and others spending money in Fayette County. Years later that money is been spent on engineering, design, property acquisition and construction and many in Fayette are discovering for the first time where the proposed bypass roads are going to be built, although there was no shortage of maps and public hearings on road location.
Very relevant fact: In the years that have passed since the SPLOST was approved, the economy has changed dramatically and everything connected to road projects has changed - commuting, gas prices, employment, cost of material and labor and most importantly shortfalls in city and county budgets because of revenue declines.
New fact: Used to be that city and county governments could not change the projects SPLOST money was spent on. New law this year allows governments to put that question on the ballot and let the voters decide.
Final fact: County Commission voted 3-2 against putting it on the ballot.

Everything else is opinion, emotion, accusation or conjecture. I'm as guilty of those things as anyone, but I readily admit to the mere handful of real facts. Now I do think there are a couple more facts that can be tacked on to the end of this story and they presently unknown, but here they are:
1. Most logical people would not have voted against putting this question on the ballot if they were only considering the facts noted above. The missing fact is why the 3 commissioners voted the way they did. Their silence, stubborness and unwillingness to discuss their vote does not produce any real facts - only conjecture.
2. What will the 3 new commissioners do after they are sworn in January 2013. Will they put this on the ballot in 2013 and if so, will there be any money left to save by then?

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West by-pass

What a refreshing article.

I have no particular interest in the West by-pass or East by-pass or the unending debate over these roads.

But it seems to me that roads get built all the time. Someone's property is always impacted and they are compensated. That is how roads are built. And devolopers will build along those major roads. Hello? Is this news?

It seems to me that a few Fayette citizens have objected to the West by-pass and Brown has jumped on this issue for his own politcal advantage.

I say build the West by-pass and the East by-pass and then get on to other issues that will bring Fayette County into the 21st Century.

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Hey Lion

Will you still feel this way when your taxes go up? I don't think the core issue here is whether or not a road gets built. I think the core issue is how a bunch of money will be spent. Should it go for a road or for things that will help the current tax base in a time of need? And who should ultimately make that decision? I wasn't at the last meeting but I did watch it on youtube. Steve Brown was not the only person disrespected that night. For the commissioners to decide that they have control over this money and not allow the taxpayers a voice on it is just barely short of criminal.

NUK, Lion, Regardless of your position, don't you think the citizens of Fayette should have a voice in this? After all isn't this our money?

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