Fayette commissioners, BoE submit 'plans' on district voting

The Fayette County Commission, the Fayette County Board of Education and the Fayette County Branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People had until June 25 to submit plans to federal court that would allow U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Batten to make a final determination on district voting lines that would change at-large voting to district voting in Fayette County. As before, the aim was to have a map containing a district that will have a majority of voting-age black residents. That was a request in the original lawsuit filed in 2011 by the NAACP along with several Fayette County residents.

When June 25 came, both local government entities released “plans” on the matter. For its part, the commission said it authorized its attorneys to make an immediate appeal of the judge’s order.

“The judge’s order also required the board of commissioners and the board of education ‘to submit proposed plans for the BOC and the BOE elections’ yesterday. Even though the county government is seeking immediate review of the decision on its election system, the county was required to submit a proposed plan for the commission elections. The board of commissioners filed their proposed plan with the Court yesterday,” the county’s statement said.

Though no details were provided, the plan was said to include “the majority-minority district required by the judge’s order, even though the board of commissioners believes that the district is a racial gerrymander.”

“The Board is extremely disappointed with the ruling that requires the county to create a new district voting map using race as the primary criteria. Divvying us up by race works against our efforts to unify the county,” said Commission Chairman Steve Brown.

For its part, the school board released its plan on June 25. The plan submitted to the federal court carried more detail and referenced the school board’s preference to utilize a modification of the map it proposed two years ago that gave District 5, Fayette’s northernmost district, a black voting population of approximately 48 percent.

The school board’s plan included several proposals:

-that the district lines be drawn so that no two existing incumbent commissioners or school board members reside in the same district.

-that the parties review the school board’s district map that waspre-cleared by the U.S. Dept. of Justice to determine what changes might be necessary to increase the percentage of African American population in District 5 and to arrive at an agreement in that regard.

-that the current election schedule for 2014 that includes District 4 and District 5 be allowed to occur.

-that the districts be reapportioned after the 2020 census and that those districts, or any new districts, comply with state and federal law.

As pre-cleared last year by the U.S. Dept. of Justice, the District 5 map portion of the map includes the north portion of unincorporated Fayette County, a portion of the north side of Tyrone and a portion of the north side of Fayetteville. The population in District 5 totals 20,865 and includes white residents at 42.34 percent, the black population at 9,847 residents or 47.19 percent, the all or part black population at 10,158 residents or 48.68 percent and the Hispanic population at 1,873 residents or 8.98 percent.

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Neither the Board of Commissioners or a majority of the Board of Education wanted to have to turn in a racially gerrymandered district map, but the Federal Judge ORDERED that one be created. If we do not submit something, then the judge just draws one himself (and he has the power to do that now).

The statement gave for this story is: "“The Board is extremely disappointed with the ruling that requires the county to create a new district voting map using race as the primary criteria. Divvying us up by race works against our efforts to unify the county,' said Commission Chairman Steve Brown."

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How much will it cost?

Commissioner Brown,

How much is this ongoing fight going to cost us? Is it really worth a million bucks just to keep a minority off the Board of Commissioners? I bet the white guys can out-vote her easily.

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Stranger - Does it really matter about cost

One of the incumbents would have to be voted off commission for this to happen. We know that commission will do what ever is needed to give themselves an advantage if we go to district voting.

The costs are irrelevant to them.

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Silly Me! I expected consistency from a conservative.

I suppose that I got carried away with the conservative rhetoric of limited government and costs savings. I attempted to believe them. The county commission apparently abandons all principles when their power is threatened. It is very clear that conservatives are no more principled than liberals, and both ends of the political spectrum value their own power over any benefits for their constituents.

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Wow, stf...

...new to America?? Hence the rise of the Tea Party, Libertarians, etc...; at least they're trying to right the ship.

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Tea Party poison

How is the tea party "righting the ship?" They back every losing proposition on the national level (limiting abortion rights, disenfranchising homosexuals, opposing immigration reform, opposing gun background checks, etc.) ensuring that the Democrats stay in the White House. They elevate religious fundamentalists and certified nut cases (e.g., Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin) to win primary elections so reasonable Republicans cannot get elected. Anyone who doesn't understand that the tea party is about power and control instead of reasonable conservatism is willfully blind. I want the Republican Party back in the hands of grownups.

After losing all but one Presidential election between 1968 and 1992, the Democrats quit letting Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton set their policy, and they have won the popular vote in every Presidential election except 2004 as a result. Extremists never fare well in national politics. Abandon tea party extremism, and the Republican Party might have a chance to keep Hillary out of the White House in 2016.

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Well, stf...

...you must have overlooked the word 'trying' in my post. Any time a group of American citizens at the grass roots level organize themselves to voice their displeasure with their current political representation and try to change/improve the situation, I will support their action(s); maybe not all of their positions, but rankling a corrupt 2-party system is good for the soul of our nation.

I feel sorry for you that you don't like people standing up for what they believe in. Perhaps you can travel back and live in 1930-40's Germany; sounds like you'd love it.

'Extremists' will never do well in our 2-party system; they're not as willing to sell themselves out to the highest bidder(s) to get elected.

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Principles- smisables... Why have'em
stranger than fiction wrote:

How is the tea party "righting the ship?" They back every losing proposition on the national level (limiting abortion rights

Yep why limit the mass murder of infants? I mean just go on in to any clinic where some Joe Smo without any training can perform the act while others wait in a fly infested blood soaked waiting room...

Nah... let anyone do it and let anyone have it.. Why not?

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disenfranchising homosexuals

Oh and let's let any special interest group no matter how minuscule the size have full access to every benefit of 2000 years of tradition... Let's just wipe it all out... Why don't we allow polygamy and bestiality while we are at it.. I mean in some cases like I don't know..... ISLAM..... Polygamy is a RELIGIOUS RIGHT so we now HAVE TO ALLOW THAT....

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opposing immigration reform

SENSIBLE Reform there STF.. NOT AMNESTY... We don't need another 30 Million low skilled low wage welfare and food stamp receivers in America... If you haven't noticed our economy is not doing so well... So let's add another 30 million or so Government recipients.. Yeah that's intelligent.

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opposing gun background checks

Uhh... I guess you haven't bought a gun in like ever? Background checks already occur EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU BUY A GUN FROM A DEALER. Now what you mean is person to person sales... Getting past the rhetoric P2P background checks are useless. There are already laws on the books against selling guns to person not allowed to possess so.... By definition Criminals are well CRIMINALS and will not abide by the law so...

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They elevate religious fundamentalists and certified nut cases (e.g., Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin) to win primary elections so reasonable Republicans cannot get elected.

BTW-There are no NUTJOBS on your side? Really? Maxine Waters, Cynthia McKinney, Anthony Wiener to name just a few..

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Anyone who doesn't understand that the tea party is about power and control instead of reasonable conservatism is willfully blind.

STF- the Tea Party, is in fact, about POWER and CONTROL.. The POWER of the PEOPLE to CONTROL their own DESTINIES and STOP Government excesses like oh I don't know the FREAKEN NSA and IRS. Anyone who doesn't understand that is willfully STUPID.

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I want the Republican Party back in the hands of grownups.

...and I want the Democrat Party back in the hands of Patriotic Americans who believe Crony Capitalism and Socialist Big Government ideals are wrong for America.

stranger than fiction wrote:

After losing all but one Presidential election between 1968 and 1992, the Democrats quit letting Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton set their policy, and they have won the popular vote in every Presidential election except 2004 as a result. Extremists never fare well in national politics.

Uh STF let me clue you in they are still setting policy for you and others like Van Jones an AVOWED COMMUNIST and Cass Sunstein who believes abortions should be available up to the age of TWO YEARS OLD...or the head of the FCC who believes Castro had a wonderful revolution... small problem it only KILLED a few thousand people...or Anita Dunn who looks to Chairman Mao for inspiration another mass murderer...and on and on and on.....

Come on STF wake up and smell the coffee.

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Abandon tea party extremism, and the Republican Party might have a chance to keep Hillary out of the White House in 2016.

Yep.. abandon all principles...that's what Progressive both R's and D's do.. I mean elections are more important then principles right?

If a Majority of Americans feel that Government should be spying on it's citizens, lying about our involvement in civil wars, lying about arming drug cartels, lying about our people getting killed and allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to dictate our policies then so be it..

When this house of cards falls down hopefully those like me will still be around to try and put it back together and those like you will be regulated to history.

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You are shooting the messenger, Mr. Lindsay

For the 100th time I’ll repeat, I’m not supporting the Democrat Party here. I’m merely delivering the message that is apparent to everyone except those who don’t understand that Fox News is about entertaining their audience instead educating them to political reality. Last year in the United States there were more Caucasian deaths than Caucasian births. The young and minorities consider what you call “principles” to be white guy zealotry. To these voting citizens, the faces that represent the Republican Party are out of step with the country. The faces they identify with the Democratic Party look and sound more like them and seem welcoming instead of hate-driven. I’m merely stating obvious realities.

Criticize me to your heart’s content, but I fear for the Republican Party’s future, and, as we see in Fayette County, one party rule leaves much to be desired. Bob Dylan said it well 50 years ago, “You’d better start swimming or you’ll sink like a stone, for the times they are a’changing.”

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stf just took YOUR arguments...

...and shredded them.

Funny how you always, well at least a hundred times as you said, you don't support the Democrats BUT yet in your entire post not one criticism of those you claim not to support.

Logic therefore dictates you are full of....err...well...it.

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So what you're saying, stf...

...is that the Republican party needs to back candidates that are black/ethnic homosexuals/transgenders (of either sex, or, well, were, or...well, um...are now...whatever...) that have criminal backgrounds and have been on public assistance before/or currently, and are not too old, and have been unemployed a time or two, or at least supports these type of people and their 'ideals', and perhaps has some illegal aliens in their family?

Other than that, it'd just be a reasonably educated white guy running for office, and God knows (wait, can I say 'God' while running for office?) what crazy plans he has up his sleeves!

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Ditch the hyperbole and deal with political reality (or not)

I’m sure that the responses by KC and Lindsay to my posts are heartfelt, and I understand that you are frustrated. However, advancement of progressive/liberal agendas is a political reality given the changing national voter demographics. If reiterating your “principles” in light of this political reality is a strategy that works for you, by all means console other conservatives with horror scenarios that might eventuate and historical disasters that may recur. You have a great talent for these endeavors.

There is another option: Pick your battles for policies that are winnable, and quit letting the progressives paint you as the eternally negative party. For instance, abortion and gay rights have national majority support. Focus on state initiatives to advance your conservative agenda on these issues (where you can be successful), and stop sending representatives to Washington who call attention to your objections nationally. Terminate all the futile votes on repealing Obamacare (37 to date). You succeeded in quashing a national health insurance option (i.e., expanding Medicare), without which Obamacare is severely crippled already. If the person-to-person background checks for private gun sales make no discernible difference, let it pass into law to assuage the majority who want a feel-good gun control “victory.”

Advance a strong immigration reform policy that is generous in accepting educated and skilled professionals and tout it as your open-minded response to the “flat world.”

Many other initiatives are possible and doable. Your best bet is to put a channel skip on Fox News and let the tea party sink into oblivion because both are perceived to be anathema to the future majorities. Your other option is to proclaim your principles to your cohort, revel in your virtuous ideals, and make no discernible impact beyond these boundaries. It’s still a free country (for a while anyway) so take your choice.

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stf

There are Republicans who agree with you - the two gentleman that you address are refusing to accept reality and continually, in their frustration, reveal their ignorance and intolerance. Common sense and political astuteness are absent from the Tea Party supporters who insist that their 'principles' of non-acceptance is the American way.

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..is that the Republican party needs to back candidates that are black/ethnic homosexuals/transgenders (of either sex, or, well, were, or...well, um...are now...whatever...) that have criminal backgrounds and have been on public assistance before/or currently, and are not too old, and have been unemployed a time or two, or at least supports these type of people and their 'ideals', and perhaps has some illegal aliens in their family?

I know lifelong Republicans who cringed when they read this - longtime citizens of Fayette County.

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My point, DM...

...is that it is suggested that the 'survival' of the Republicans hinges on bending to popular winds blowing at the time, hence pandering to illegal aliens, supporting whatever a homosexual wants, and shelving age-old beliefs in order to gain political support is the only way to maintain standing in Congress.

As the Baby Boomers age and die off, I predict the country will turn even more toward anti-conservative mindsets, to the supposed benefit of certain classes/groups. But we're living in the looming shadow of the storm to come, as evidenced by massive changes enacted, or on the precipice of such, over the last 6 years.

Republicans will struggle to stem this tide, and unless they lie to themselves and subject themselves to the pandering of the masses, like the Democratic Party does, it will be difficult. Fortunately there are areas of this nation that will hold firm to their traditions and beliefs for the betterment and stability of their communities, while respecting the rights of others to live as they please - within the rule of law, of course.

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A lesson on Tolerance from the intolerant.
Davids mom wrote:

There are Republicans who agree with you - the two gentleman that you address are refusing to accept reality and continually, in their frustration, reveal their ignorance and intolerance.

Nuff said...

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Is there some reason

The maps weren't released to the voters?

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Guess the proposed lines

I guess they will release it in a few days.

Personally I think it's sad that the Board and Commission are just as bad as the NAACP in preparing the boundaries. They all want to stack the decks. Guess Mr. Barlow is afraid of McCarty and his war chest. What ever happened to competition and the valor of winning on your accomplishments?

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