Fayette Commission in 3-to-2 vote says ‘no’ to referendum on shifting sales tax

A majority of the Fayette County Board of Commissioners refused Thursday night to allow a fall referendum in which voters could choose whether to divert remaining transportation sales tax funds as proposed by Commissioner Steve Brown.

Brown’s presentation came immediately before the commission’s public hearing on the budget after the board decided to handle Brown’s presentation first.

Ultimately the proposal was voted down by commissioners Herb Frady, Lee Hearn and Robert Horgan. Only Brown and Commissioner Allen McCarty voted in favor of the referendum.

Brown suggested the county had a significant amount of unfunded projects that were necessities that could be funded by the transportation SPLOST funds, which were authorized by county voters in 2003 by a slight majority.

Among the needs cited by Brown were for a new emergency operations center capable of withstanding severe weather, technology upgrades countywide, a new roof on the county’s administrative building and a large amount of funding for vehicle replacements.

Later in the meeting, County Finance Director Mary Holland noted the county has $6 million on hand that can be used for vehicle replacements and that the county departments would be approached to determine what vehicles need to be replaced so they can be purchased as necessary.

Brown also suggested that the county could divert the transportation SPLOST funds toward “the largest single property tax cut in Fayette County history” with the caveat that he would ask for more money the following budget year to fund the needed county purchases that he accused the previous commissions of neglecting.

Brown’s move also stood to halt construction of the West Fayetteville Bypass, which was advocated by most of those who addressed the commission during the budget public hearing. He did however, agree to fund land acquisition for the road using transportation sales tax funds.

In countering Brown’s presentation, Commissioner Horgan said the new Georgia law that Brown wanted to use for the fund diversion was designed to help communities use encumbered funds for projects that were indeed unfeasible.

Horgan also said the commission has indeed held back on purchases to build up the $8 million “rainy day” extra surplus funding over the past several years. Horgan also rapped Brown for not attending the first full-day budget workshop between the commission and county staff in late May. Brown later noted that he missed that meeting because he was coaching the science olympiad team from Booth Middle School as they were out of town for the national competition.

Brown noted that he got up to speed on the budget following the budget workshop.

Frady said he thought Brown “did a good job of painting doom and gloom” but the legislature didn’t intend House BIll 240 to be used in the way Brown proposed.

Hearn quoted extensively from a Standard and Poors evaluation earlier this year of Fayette County’s financial picture, which was considerably favorable and praised the county for being able to weather the financial storm of lower property taxes the past several years much better than many other local governments.

The evaluation was done as part of the process for evaluating the county’s refinancing of the 2001 bonds to finance the Fayette County Justice Center, and Hearn said he thought that was equivalent to an independent, unbiased assessment of the county’s financial condition.

Noting the use of $3 million in recently built up cash reserves, Brown has contended the county’s budget is “unsustainable.”

Commissioner McCarty suggested the county seek a legal opinion from the Georgia Attorney General as to what the county can and cannot do under HB 240. He said he favored using the transportation SPLOST revenues to lower county taxes.

McCarty added that he felt county staff did an excellent job in preparing and presenting the budget, and that if any more cuts were to be made, the county would truly be cutting services.

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I wish I had thought that up........

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The Gazebo Today At 1:30 P.M.

We will definitely be at the Fayetteville Gazebo today at 1:30 P.M. We will have copies of the petition for folks to sign and blank copies if anyone would like to help obtain signatures.

One signature is a vote for the people of Fayette County.

I am only one.  But I am one.
I cannot do everything-but I can do something.
I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do.
                                                               Edward Everett Hale
                 

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how much of a refund would each taxpayer get?

we are talking about a tax since 2004, That is 7yrs.. the refund for each Fayette county taxpayer could be huge!!!!!!!

I cant think of too many in this county that couldn't use a couple of thousand in this economy instead of a developers road!

I'm sure the little lady in the wheelchair living on 1200 a month could put it to excellent use. She was the one in the video that stated if the 3 commisioners want the road so bad...they should have to pay for it themselves!!!

Everyone ask yourself..which would you rather have...a refund...or a road that would only help developers and Hearn's relatives?

OMG! I've been told that there is 60 million still left in the SPLOST fund...assuming the registered voters in this county are 40,000...

THAT IS A REFUND OF 15,000. FIFTEEN THOUSAND FOR EVER REGISTERED VOTER IN THE COUNTY!!!!!

DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER OF VOTERS?

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sugarfoot

You are simply stirring up fallacies for those in Fayette who think that money is available for anything other than why it was collected!

The state knows a referendum wouldn't pass and that is why they passed that stupid bill to use the money for something else!

Also, your math is more horrible than what the kids are learning nowadays---no logic either!

The SPLOST was in total a penny (1%) for every dollar you spent and most of it has been spent!

Where on earth did you hear about a "refund?"

If it isn't spent it will stay in the treasury!

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We Met Some Very Nice Folks At The Gazebo

It was such a pleasure to meet some of the folks who make comments here.

Everyone wanted to sign the petition, and several wanted blank petitions so they could gather signatures, also.

One person who has already filled many of our petitions said that people are extremely happy about the petition and very enthusiastic about having the opportunity to sign it.

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Ginga, was just going to post the same. Was sure nice to meet

such great people. Several people there would be welcome additions to the commission---just a thought for the upcoming elections when there will be three posts to fill. Let's get those petitions filled and let our present commissioners know just how many people want that SPLOST money redirected where it can really be of use---Oh, some of us there today had several cars at home, but only used ONE to get there. Funny how that works out!

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I talked 2to 2 of the comms today

we can pay down our bills and still get THOUSANDS BACK!!! If we didn't pay off anything...it would be in the neighborhood of 15,0000. per taxpayer of record (not including cars) things like homes, land, and business owners.

I want Nelms to do an article on this. If there is still enough left for that kind of a refund, and they have already spent millions and millions on it...think how much the have sucked out of us.

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Fine, fine, fine. Send my refund to Destin, Sugartoes

I'll be here and I'll sign anything at all. 15 little ones? I'll take it. Can buy a foreclosed 2BR condo next building down on the 4th floor for that - meaning downpayment. Stupid bank that owns the place down the beach will finance for 30 years at 3%. The cycle starts again.

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ROUND..IT IS YOU WHO ARE WRONG!

It is very OBVIOUS you are for the developers road! I'm for charitiy beginning at home!

They didn't pass that law just for something to do. They passed HB240 to help the taxpayers.

the money ..can..be used for other projects..anyone that says differently is wrong.

That money can be used to pay off all county bills and then a refund back to everyone of record that paid a property tax bill in this county excluding taxs on cars. real property and buss owners would reap the windfall.

After paying off all the bills ...it would be a whopping refund.

and to think that stupid road was gonna get all that money!

I for one could stand to have a huge refund!

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sugarfoot

It has NOTHING to do with developers! If you have read many of my comments you could see I think they have to be watched ahead of time!

I just see no sense in pounding on a dead horse to kill him! We have laws!

Save it for the next election!

As to the cash being taken off your taxes, that is indeed laughable as scarce as they are for money!

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that isn't laughable at all

call Steve Brown, call McCarty...there is not 1 cent of Federal money in that 60 million still left. Every penny came from the taxpayers of this county. Every penny of the Spost the commisoner have already spent came out of the taxpayers pockets.

Do the math...60,0000000.00 divded by 40,000. Tell me what you come up with.

The 40,000 number is off by a few thousand one way or the other...but not much

The amount you come up with is $15,000.00 refund.

Do your own math.

Then ask yourself a very serious question...who would you rather see have the 15,000.? The little lady in the wheelchair at the meeting who stated she lives off 1200. a month.....or would you rather give your 15,000. to the 3 stooges to build a developer road that would benifit family land trust to the tunes of millions?

Personally, I think the fanily land trust and developers who stand to make millions, should use their own money to build the road.

I'm with the little lady in the wheelchair!

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sugarfoot, please!

60,000,000 divided by 40,000 is $1,500-----not $15,000!

On top of that, when the county's bill are paid first---then what is left?

On top of that, why only divide it by registered voters? Everyone pays the 1% SPLOST Tax---even the ones out of county who shop here.

Has nothing to do with property taxes, nor voting.

Much of it is paid by corporations buying goods that are not for resale and who have an exemption certificate!

Maybe the number is 600,000,000 as you wrote? Not 60,000,000!

All this sounds like Oprah Winfrey stuff to me. You are more likely to get it from her!

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Nuk_1 is correct

There would be no refund. Instead, it would have been the largest tax break (reduction of millage) in the history of Fayette County. In other words, you would keep a sizable amount of your money by not paying it in taxes.

Whether the subject is the budget or the West Fayetteville Bypass, the three-member majority is having a difficult time substantiating their actions.

When they run the Fire Fund into a negative balance for FY 2011 and de-fund essential purchasing, are we really suppose to believe they are budget authorities?

One citizen after the next has demanded any document that states we need to build the West Fayetteville Bypass. They cannot come up with anything.

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Mr. Brown - why

Why are you still beating this dead horse.

It seems you have been beaten at every turn. It doesn't matter what could have been, might have been, or should have been. We hope.

We now must wait until the next election to solve these three problems.

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Steve: Agree

Thanks for coming online and clarifying the refund issue before people started running wild with the idea that they might be getting a check for 15K(??? or any amount) for past taxes paid for SPLOST.

I am one of your strongest critics, but I agree with your list of funding priorities 100% and any of them are better than another dime towards WFB. FC's financial position right now is not strong at all and a lot has been kicked down the road already to put lipstick on a pig, i.e. the annual budget, to where it's not so obvious that the County is raiding reserves while also ignoring significant projects.

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Are you sure we could pay off debt bonds early with Splost escrow?

Come on, tell the lady she will not get $15,000 dollars off taxes nor $1500!

Anyway, the people who need the money the worst don't pay taxes enough to get any such credit if it existed!

Think man, don't politic.

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No refund at all

There might have been a property tax cut in the future if the SPLOST money was re-allocated, but not a "refund" on taxes already owed, paid and spent for the last 7 years.

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I respect your smarts ...BUT

in this case what I'm saying is right!!!!
the taxes n splost are 2 different things. Watch the tapes...Krakeel was saying we cant use the money for xyz...then Brown stated it would be a whopping tax resturn n he IS RIGHT.

There is 60,000000. roughfly still left that the 3 haven't tee tee away on the road. I talked to someone this morning and verified it. My figures are off only slightly in that the refund would go to each taxpayer..as in home owner..and buss owner..and there are not a total of 40,000.

So if they used it for whatever projects and gave us back the difference you are still looking at about a 15,000 refund. that is what that stupid road has cost..in fact more...because they have spent a small fortune on it already.

Futher more, the commisioers can be side stepped.. A petition can be taken to the ..ELECTIONS OFFICE.. (ever wonder why Hearn wanted a relative there)..then the elections office will ok it to go on the ballot.

Everything is not lost as they would have you believe.

If you ask me if I want back 15,000. or a developers road...it is a no brainer for me!

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sorry for typoes

my computer is being fixed n on my child's laptop..

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sorry for typoes

my computer is being fixed n on my child's laptop..

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sorry for typoes

my computer is being fixed n on my child's laptop..

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sugarfooot---three times

Did the typo create the $15,000 cash?

what is: "n on my child's laptop?"

Just downbload GOOGLE Tool Bar and it has a spell checker on it. (called Check)

Sorry about the money and the registered voters and the poor widows!

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Black Magic Used To Spin Paper One Liners and Dupe the Public

A larger percentage of the public read the paper than attend the meetings. That's obvious who the commisioners are relying on. The non participating ones. Krackheel and County Attorney working in the back ground. Puppet Horgan has never spoken an original word since sitting on the county seat. If you look closely you can see County Attorney barley moving his lips as he pulls Horgan'strings.
It's Chicago style politics to read as they want in the paper. The comments from the public rarley get quoted in Munford's column. Nor does Commissioner Brown's arguement for an open vote to initiate HB240 get quoted properly. Look at the spin, oh what a spin we're in. It's that old black magic.

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Commission Meeting 6-23-2011

Enjoy the video segments. They clearly demonstrate we have three "sold-out" Commissioners running things. There must be a personal "agenda" or pact with the devil for them to totally go against the citizens of Fayette County.
When I delivered audio/video presentations in the courtroom, the Judge always instructed the jury that the "video speaks for itself". These videos clearly do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lM2UewxMsg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVruFDrQzHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvtdTVGtck

My wife and I are praying for Fayette County. Until we get "God back in America" we will continue to suffer at the hands of the ungodly.
God Bless America and God Bless Fayette County!!

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I just want to say thank you for posting these videos. Because of scheduling conflicts I can't attend the meetings so for me these are invaluable.

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I love the videos too

there can be no doubt in the taxpayers minds just who those 3 represent now.

People I think Steve Brown was much too kind when Krakeel made some lame statement about the money could be used for very little else except to give back to the taxpayers and Steve Brown made the comment, "well that would be one whopping refund!" If he had elaborated on the 15,000. thousandish refund we would/could have gotten...when they voted against us...people would have pulled them out right there and beat the ever loving out of them!

ps..and yes I've talked to 2 of the comms this morning n the REFUND WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE THOUSANDS...ASK THEM YOURSELF!!!!

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I LOVE the Youtube video of the Commissioners!

I have to agree with Grassroots on John Munford's missing the boat on what took place. Thank you DBarlow for allowing those who weren't there to get the real story!

Frady, Horgan and Hearn looked like a bunch of mindless idiots up there.

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Everyone watch the videos

Even past Commisioners got up n told those 3 they were wrong! I would hardly call them a small group of malcontents!

The sleazy look on Horgan's face when he stated the "taxpayers signed a binding contract with us" was horrible. He looked like some ghoul who had just duped a little old lady out of her last dollar and was very proud of his flim flam skills.

Hearn talking about Standard and Poors, confirmed to everyone just how stupid he is. What was insulting was that he thought he was puting one over on everyone quoting that little tidbit.

Frady is just a senile mean old man who is above his intelligence level. In fact they all are. It almost sounds like tar and feathers would be quite in order!

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A Cannibal Restaurant and Politicians

A cannibal was walking through the jungle 
And came upon a restaurant operated by another cannibal. 

Feeling somewhat hungry, a visitor to the restaurant sat down and looked over the menu
+Tourist: $5.00

+Broiled Missionary: $10.00

+Fried Explorer: $15.00

+Baked Democrat or Grilled Republican: $100.00

The cannibal called the waiter over and asked, 
"Why such a high price for the Politicians?" 

The cook replied, "Have you ever tried to clean one?
They're so full of s___t, it takes all morning."

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Finally, Frady Reveals Their Traffic Study

Counting registered cars....so that's their traffic study. I feel so much better now. We can sleep at night, counting cars rather than sheep. Did you see the strings? The ones operating Horgan's mouth while the scripted words formed on his wooden lips. The Citizen reporter lapped it up like they did in the movie Chicago when the lawyer spoon fed them just what he wanted them to report. They both went for the gun. Yeah, that's it, just like in Chicago. The fix is in.

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Well now, counting registered cars will work.

It used to be hard for cowboys to count horses or cattle in a pen while they mingled all around. Their heads being hard to count bouncing up and down was a problem.
One day a cowboy came along and counted a whole pen of horses real quickly.

The others said he must be wrong so they let the horses out one at a time into another pen and counted them one at a time.
Sure enough the cowboy counter was correct.
They asked him how he could do that.

He said, well since I couldn't see their heads I just counted their legs and divided by four! If it comes out uneven I know there is one or more with a missing leg.

Some of us just have limited imagination!

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Grassroots - Leave

Leave Mr. Frady alone, his abacus malfunctioned, it’s not his fault.

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Last Night's Commission Meeting

I sat on the front row last night and cried the entire meeting.

To begin with I cried from gratitude to and admiration for Steve Brown. Even though Frady, Horgan, and Hearn have repeatedly tried to invalidate every proposal Commissioner Brown has made since taking office, he continues to standup for the people.

Last night the room was filled to capacity and beyond. There were many people standing in the back of the room and Commissioner Brown repeatedly requested that more chairs be brought in so those folks wouldn't have to stand. Commissioner Brown cared about the people having to stand, but I never saw anyone bring in more chairs.

At one point, Chairman Frady made such a ridiculously absurd comment that I found myself laughing through streaming tears. In an attempt to lend a little justification for building the West Bypass, he said that he had gotten a numerical count of registered vehicles in the county. He said that although the count had gone down between 2010 and 2011, due to a decrease in population, the numbers were still up from 2004.

Commissioner Brown pointed out that while he owns more than one vehicle he can only drive one at the time. Another citizen said that he owns 11 registered vehicles but he can only drive one at the time.

Carrying that premise further, if there are 106,000 people in Fayette County and we don't really know how many of that 106,000 actually drives there is no way of knowing how many vehicles owned by Fayette citizens are on the roads of Fayette County at any given time.

After the meeting last night, the majority of the audience said that it is quite apparent that Frady, Horgan, and Hearn have a hidden agenda otherwise they wouldn't be so willing to take all the criticism from the citizens. They would at least try to defend their position. They would produce facts and figures to support their position.

Bennett Lee Hearn is most assuredly a member of the well known Bennett family of Fayette County. HIs cousin Addison Lester III is also a member of that family. The Bennett and Lester families have had extensive land holdings in Fayette County for many generations. There is Lester Rd. and Bennett's Mill Middle School. There is the Lester Family Limited Partnership LLLP. The Lester family sold 60 acres from a much larger parcel along Hwy. 54 W. and Phase I of the West Bypass to the Fayette County School District. The Lester family sold another parcel along Phase I of the West Bypass to Oglethorpe Electric.

The Lester property adjoins the Rivers Family property. The Rivers family sold some of its vast holdings to the Fayette School District for Rivers Elementary School which was supposed to hold over 600 students. That school is occupied by approximately 40 students.

Former Commission Chairman Jack Smith also sat on the Board of Directors for the Bank of Georgia. The president of that bank stated in many news articles that the bank catered its loans to developers and builders in Fayette County.

There is a driving force within all of that information.

There is a reason why not one member of the public has ever voiced support for the West Bypass during any commission meeting.

And, yes, there is a reason why three grown men would take the public ridicule Frady, Horgan, and Hearn have endured. There is a reason why they don't or can't defend with documented facts their position on building a road that the public so obviously doesn't want.

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I agree on the commissioners

Ginga1414 is right on how foolish Herb Frady looked by trying to equate the number of registered cars and the need for the W. Fayetteville Bypass. Easily thousands of those cars are registered here but are on college campuses with students driving them. There's probably 50,000 people in PTC and Tyrone that would never use the bypass.

The part that stuck out the most to me was none of three bad guys could come up with a decent reason to not support Steve Brown's initiative.

The guy seated next to me said Brown knows what he's talking about and the others could care less. I thought that was the perfect description for the evening.

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Maybe it is time to get the AJC a little interested in what is

going on in Fayetteville--what do you guys think????

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The Stupidity Continues!!!

Hearn, Frady and Horgan are running our county into the ground and some of the idiot bloggers want to blame Steve Brown and Greg Dunn??? Maybe you ought to take into account that Brown and Dunn never agreed on anything so if they agree on this HB240 deal maybe we should be paying attention.

I hate nothing more than watching the idiots getting into character assassination to keep from having to talk about the real issues!!!

Steve Brown whether you like him or not has been on the right side of these county issues. What Hearn, Frady and Horgan is doing is just plain wrong.

Are you going to tell me we've got a budget that spends more than it rakes in and using the funding from the road to nowhere is a bad idea???

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Steve Brown is a good man but I explained here twice why he took the side of the unconstitutional HB240.

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"Unconstitutional"

OK constitutional scholar Roundabout explain how HB240 is unconstitutional. The people voted for the SPLOST and now they can vote (or would've if the three good old boys hadn't voted it down) use it another way.

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Spear

You can't use money designated by the legislature for pickle research to castrate pigs to make the meat less strong! It has to be used to research pickle pickling.

The recent law passed by the GA legislature indicating that upon certain referendum accomplishment, the SPLOST money might be used for a few specific purposes---not the ones Brown wants.

The constitution indicates that locals can not violate the GA Constitution!

Anyway, even if done the appeals and all would hold it for yeears in hostage! Lawyers would get richer.

I took an audit course under President Obama when he was a Constitutional Professor. He is really good. Very intelligent man. Knows where we are going for at least ten more years!

I heard Mrs. Obama say the other day that they were running again and sacrificing themselves since there was so much more to do for this country and they were fought at every turn by selfish people.

Now the last two paragraphs are downright lies!

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Read it again Roundie, those things Steve Brown mentioned

are exactly the things the bill provides for. Are you sure that Constitutional Law class wasn't taken under Cal--Coolidge, that is? Yeah, I know where we are going in ten years if he is leading us--into utter destruction as a nation. Sure hate to see Mrs. O and her family sacrificing themselves the way they are---sure beats the coach seats I can no longer afford though and I do not go out of the country any more--soon won't be able to go out of the county at the rate we are going.

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Are we worse off now than when Bush left? Really?

Takes awhile to clear up total destruction!

Like the WBP it ain't gonna happen! (stopping it, I mean). Giving 10-1 odds, I am. Got a thousand you want to bet?

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Roundy, At Least

We may not be able to stop the West Bypass, Roundy, but at least we now know who not to vote for next time around.

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Ummmm spearguy, you know what you are asking? and who?

You want a constitutional ruling on a brand-new never before used law and you are asking him?

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Can't trust the voters

I wish people would forget that Steve Brown is the one that is pointing out all the flaws of our current commission. Some people are more disturbed by the messenger then the message. The message is "the people be damned". A government that works for itself and not the people, could be considered corrupt. This information should disturb any citizen regardless where the information came from. Not allowing the voters to decide this issue once and for all, should tell you, they are not interested in what that result would be. They also know the result would not be in their favor. These men are beholden to something much bigger then the people. Government of, for and by the people is not language they are familiar with. What a sad state of affairs for Fayette County taxpayers.

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It's been decided and it's GAME OVER

FACT: the voters of Fayette County went to the polling booths in 2004 and voted YES to raising their taxes to pay for roads/transportation.

FACT: the voters of Fayette County went to the polling booths and have elected Frady, Horgan, Hearn and other bozos. There is zero dispute about whether any of these commissioners were properly elected or contested results.

FACT: we don't live in a pure democracy. It's a shame most people are too ignorant to realize that. The choices are to either elect better people, don't vote for extra taxation that gives the government a blank check, or sit at home and not worry about it either way. The vast majority of FC seemingly does not care about this issue. 100-150 people at a FC meeting and some kind of petition means all of nothing.

There is no requirement whatsoever in the Constitution or the State of GA that your elected leaders have to listen to you. YOU can vote them out of office if you'd like, but short of any criminal acts, you get what you or your fellow citizens voted for.

I totally disagree with the Three Stooges but all the anger and hysterics focusing on these 3 is rather misplaced: Who elected them? Who voted for the SPLOST? Look in the mirror and at your fellow residents of FC who made this all happen.

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Nuk_1 - I think

I think this just about sums up a disinterested representative democracy, you have totally captured the reason democracy works in the interest of special interests, not citizens.

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NUK, Everybody Makes Mistakes

So, when you make a mistake or exercise poor judgement, what do you do? Do you just sit around with your head in your hands and say, "Woe is me?"

If you accidentally chopped off your hand, would you just say, "Oh, woe is me?"

Not me. I would put a tourniquet on my arm to stop spurting blood, wrap my severed hand in cool wet clothes and get to the hospital as fast as possible. Maybe, just maybe, a surgeon might be able to re-attach my hand.

I am only one. But I am one.
I cannot do everything-but I can do something.
I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do.
Edward Everett Hale

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It would be impossible to allow every decision be made by a referendum vote!

If that was allowed, it would then occur every time.

We wouldn't even need an elected commission---we could just vote every week on the list! Would create a bunch of jobs to count the votes!

Then an appeals process would be sure to come up and we still would get nothing done!

A ferw score of people fussing about a road is insignificant.

If the commissioners do something illegal, then let us take them to court.

Stop this foolishness!

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Round, Just For The Record

In less than a week, a handful of folks have secured 500 signatures on a petition requesting our commissioners to grant a referendum to utilize HB-240.

Five hundred signatures is far more than an insignificant few. Believe me, Round, that number is increasing as we speak.

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ginga

You can get 2% of the population to sign anything.

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Where can we go to sign that petition?

Was not able to get to the meeting last night but am definitely interested in signing any petition and know there must be others.

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MYTMITE, TOMORROW AT THE GAZEBO

I will be happy to meet anyone who wants to sign the petition tomorrow at the Fayetteville Gazebo outside the commission meeting room diagonally across from our old Courthouse Square, Saturday, June 25th at 12:00 P.M. (noon).

I will have blank copies of the petition if anyone wants to help gather signatures.

EVERY SIGNATURE COUNTS!

SOME FOLKS TURNED IN PETITIONS WITH ONLY THREE SIGNATURES. EACH ONE OF THOSE THREE SIGNATURES WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND WILL SEND A LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE TO OUR COMMISSIONERS! EACH SIGNATURE IS A VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE OF FAYETTE COUNTY!

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ginga????

I was in Fayetteville today so I stopped by the Gazebo to sign the petition around 12:15. No one was there?????

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G35 Dude

I am so very sorry that you went to the trouble of being at the Gazebo today.

MYTMITE had to change the day and time because of work, and I guess you must have missed that post.

Please forgive the mix-up. I will most assuredly be there tomorrow, Sunday, at 1:30 P.M., rain or shine.

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Seems to me you would get more signatures if you

posted a blank form as a .pdf on here or elsewhere and link to it so we could print it, sign it, get friends and neighbors to sign it and then send it in. I will see about 50 people at 2 different events this weekend and I am certain the subject of these 3 tin pot dictators will come up. Be nice if I had a petition in hand as a possible solution.

A couple thousand signatures is not impossible, although I'm not sure what happens after that.

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RWM, An Excellent Idea

You have an excellent idea. However, I have tried repeatedly to post the pdf file with the petition and it just won't accept the file.

I am in the process of getting technical assistance on the problem.

I really hate to pass up all of the signatures you could collect. I will most assuredly be at the Gazebo tomorrow, Sunday June 26th at 1:30 P.M. and could give you copies of the petition then.

Thank you so much for your interest.

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ginga1414, I'll be there, you however, may want to reconsider

I'll be glad to expose you as the blowhard you are.

You and your ilk have done nothing to benefit the citizens of FC.

You and your kind make threats, promises and actuations and NEVER follow up on any of them.

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bad_ptc

I have not threatened anyone. However, you sound as if you are threatening me!

The terminology you have used in your comment plus the quote at the end of your post seems quite threatening to me.

"Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset" is a quote adopted by the Marines and Green Berets. It translates to "Kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out," or "Kill them all. God will know His own."

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bad, At Least Get Your Facts Right

The suit you are speaking of was initiated by the West Fayetteville Bypass Coalition.

As with every other organization, individual, family, and government, our depressed economy had its way with the Coalition's finances.

Many members of the WFBC worked very hard to ensure that HB-240 was passed by the State Legislature. We did that, bad, because of the economy.

The economy has had a very detrimental effect on every county in the State of Georgia

Poor financial practices are the reasons Fayette County is stuck with empty schools and classrooms.

Poor financial practices are the reasons Fayette County is stuck with acreage that can't be sold.

Rivers Elementary School was built before the need was there. Now, we are stuck with a school that was supposed to hold over 600 students and there are approximately 40 students in that school.

I know that there are Limited Family Partnerships and developers just itching to develop and build on the almost 1500 acres of former farm land along the West Bypass. On the other hand, however, three weeks ago I counted 122 home foreclosures listed in one of our local papers. There is something very wrong with that picture.

The county paid one homeowner along the WFB route far more that what the appraisal said it was worth.

The county has made another WFB homeowner an offer of $77,000 in DAMAGES.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO KILL FAYETTE COUNTY ARE THE GREEDY PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO OVER BUILD AND OVER DEVELOP IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE A FORTUNE FOR THEMSELVES.

AS ONE OF OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS SAID WHEN A CITIZEN TRIED TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WFB WILL HAVE ON OUR COUNTY BUDGET, "I DON'T CARE."

IN OTHER WORDS, HE DOESN'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO FAYETTE COUNTY OR HER CITIZENS!

Bad, have you watched any of the videos of the commission meetings on YouTube?

Have you ever been to a commission meeting?

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Ginga1414, you’re the one that threatened people, not me

You "threatened" the FC Council with a lawsuit and it evaporated once the ARMY Corp of engineers disagreed with your position.

You’re the one that "promised" people a lawsuit against the WFB and failed to follow through.

Your attempt at a petition is nothing less than another empty threat as you and I both know it has and will have NO effect on FC.

I have no ill will towards you or BS directly but the two of you seem hell bent on isolating FC from the rest of the Atlanta metro area and in doing so you will facilitate the death of FC.

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You could make the headlines

The "petition" and the lawsuit were the products of a large group of individuals. Nobody "promised" anything.

BTW, if you feel that stopping the West Bypass would "kill" Fayette County, you ought to attend the next commissioners meeting and be the first person to offer a public comment in its favor. I'm sure they would be very grateful, and you just might turn the tide.

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BAD-PTC, did I miss something? Why such animosity? If you

disagree that is one thing but to show such hatred and anger----

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Can't make it tomorrow--have to work. Could meet you there

Sunday around 1:30 or if some place else is more convenient for yu--I will be coming from Peachtree City.

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mytshow: ginga

Yeah, I can be there the third friday night of the next leap year if the moon shines brightly! Papers in hand.

This is worse than the coffee klatches as to danger and problems!

Watch all those cameras clicking and movie people filming.

It just doesn't work to comment on here and then meet for a chat! When you meet that is the end of saying what you think and solving problems!

Have you read any of the local celebrities who write columns or letters to the editor on here? They all say the same thing--pound on the elected officials and not a word about crooked developers, bankers, editors, police screw-ups, or budget reductions!

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MYTMITE, SUNDAY AT THE GAZEBO

That works for me. Sunday at 1:30 P.M. If anyone else is interested, I will be at the Fayetteville Gazebo at 1:30 on Sunday, June 26th, with petitions in hand.

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ginga1414, sound familiar?

"When I was back there in Seminary School"
"There was a person there"
"Who put forth the proposition"
"That you can petition the Lord with prayer"
"Petition the Lord with prayer"
"Petition the Lord with prayer"
"You cannot petition the Lord with prayer"
(The Doors)

BTW, you can't petition the FC Council and expect it to have any effect either.

Why don't you just threaten them, again, with another lawsuit?

How’d that work out the last time you threatened it?

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New Yorkers petitioned yesterday!

Don't know how many petitions to the Lord were made about this new law, but apparently it didn't work!

A gathering of scoundrels trying to impress the Creator and His Son to interfere into man's stupid games is simply the mob's way of saying I can't do it, will You?

Such things are only between private souls and their own minds! They know when they are right or when they are wrong. No amount of group shouting and emotion will change anything---never has, never will.

They only impress other sinners----poorly.

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it isn't a few people fussing about ..a..road

it is a LOT of overburdened people who don't want higher taxes and that is exactly what is now going to happen

"It would be impossible to allow every decision be made by a referendum vote."

We have an election comming up this fall and it would have been a perfect time to confirm with the citizens if they still wanted something that was kicked around many years ago.

We are in bad shape, people are losing their jobs and their houses. It isn't the time for developer welfare.

Frady, Hearn, and Horton, have not only stolen our right to decide our destiny, they have stolen our money and are using it in the best interest of their friends and families!

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bypass

I don't like the West Fayette bypass project either....but there is a big injustice when guys like Steve Brown, Harold Bost and Gregg Dunn criticize any public figure...after the way they have conducted shameful politics and personal vendettas in the past. All 3 of these men (and a lot of their cronies) are some of the most arrogant, self-centered, boastful, mean-spirited people to rear their heads in Fayette County. Harold Bost always seems to find some issue to stir up to incite anger and discontent. I think it is time for Frady and Horgan to go, but fear that Bost will again push one of his lackeys to the front and that person will be worst for our county than they ones they replace. We don't need another Steve Brown on the Commission. Why can't we get somebody who actually has the best interests of our community elected? Seems impossible because it seem only the self-centered ones offer themselves for office.

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Why won't people run for commissioner?
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We don't need another Steve Brown on the Commission.

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Why can't we get somebody who actually has the best interests of our community elected? Seems impossible because it seem only the self-centered ones offer themselves for office.

For the answer to your second quote please refer to the first. Everyone here seems to agree that what Mr Brown proposed was the right thing for the people. Yet many still slam him for his "drama" and "theatrics". I could not promise that I too might not react as he did after the way he was treated. So you can sit there and go along or you can fight the system. Either way you get slammed. Why would anyone do this job for the pay? ($23K a year) Only way to make it worthwhile is to take money from outside sources to protect their interests. And I bet they are appreciative.

I would never run for office in this county. I've read too much here in these blogs.

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Amen G35Dude, Just look at some of the things people have

said on here about Steve Brown. No one is perfect and he certainly isn't but no matter what the conversation was about someone always stuck his name into the mix. You would have to have a very thick skin to run for any office (of course if you are like some present 'public servants' it would probably be worth your while to put up with a little aggrivation for the bennies; especially when you think you were appointed by the Guy Upstairs and are above reproach, or recall).

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West Bypass

Did you see the baseball movie where the ghost told the fellow to "build it and they will come?"

Same with roads--always has been!

If you really want people, just build a big airport or a railroad.

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I like Brown, Bost, and Dunn.

I admire Steve Brown and he is exactly what we need in that office. You saw how even with him standing up to those 3, they still got their way. A milder person would have been toast from the start. I admire him cause he tells it like it is. He stood up to them about HB 240. By pushing it like he did, he showed Frady, Horgan, and Hearn for what they are. He could have gone in there and just done the status quo but that isn't what he promised the people.

Harold Bost seems to have always had the people's interest at heart. I understand he is rich, but what I've seen of him, he is out to help the little man. I think he never forgot his roots, and again, I respect him too. I'm under the impression he had to move or something. Things come up in life.

Greg Dunn is strong and never let developers or special interest groups push him around. Strong leaders are what we need. I think Dunn, Pfeifer, and Wells were very good in office.

I guess what they all have in common in my eyes is honesty, loyalty to the people, and strong enough to push back when pushed. None of them are easily intimidated by anyone. I've found them all to stand on the side of what is right for the common person.

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sugarfoot: common person?

But I am not "common" and I don't know of many except you who will admit to being common!

I don't know what a "strong" leader is!

Brown is OK overall, but he knew that road would be built all along. Just a political stand in this case which was useless!

Reminds me of the congressional budget fight now in Washington. They both know that they will compromise just before the eleventh hour but will have sustained their voters by "trying." Voters are stupid when it comes to talk by their party leaders! They want to hear stuff!

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"Brown is OK overall, but he knew that road would be built all along. Just a political stand in this case which was useless!"

Wrong, if the people had gotten to vote on it, the odds are IT WOULDN'T BE BUILT. That is why Frady, Horgan, and Hearn weren't going to take a chance.

They stole our money and our rights for the betterment of their friends and family...end of story.

Some would call that corrupt. I would.

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Roundabout

You almost made a good point but darn if you didn't miss. The situation is just like Congress because the county is also spending more money than they actually have.

Changing the prioritization of funds like Steve Brown suggested is the right idea. He's cutting the waste to fund what we really need. THIS IS WHAT CONGRESS CAN'T DO!!!

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Huntman, please elaborate on this.

Gosh Huntman, got any examples of “Harold Bost or Gregg (sic) Dunn conducting shameful politics and personal vendettas”? I can’t think of any but maybe you are more knowledgeable. Please advise us.
Perhaps we can get you to run as “somebody who has the best interests of our community elected (sic).” You could be the someone who isn’t “self centered”. Thanks for stepping up.

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If I have to choose between a Steve Brown or one of the Three

Stooges I will take a Steve Brown any day. If you look in your dictionary under arrogant, self-centered, mean-spirited you will see an 8x10 glossy of those Three Stooges. Who are those three looking out for anyway? Certainly not after the people of Fayette County who have made their wishes known time after time? Sure makes you wonder doesn't it??

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3 commissioners need not apply for re election.

their shenanigans have cost them any hope of re election, but more importantly, they will cost us higher taxes.

No matter how much lipstick they smear on it, they took the taxpayer's rights away to decide their own future with their own money.

If they felt the people would have voted for the bypass, they would have put it be on the ballot. Plain and simple.

They knew we their precious bypass wouldn't survive.

Not only will we not get a much needed break on our taxes, they will in fact go up. County workers will loose their jobs.

They have made themselves the 3 most despized people in the county.

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Right sugar, but how about next year?

Shouldn't be that hard to elect a couple of candidates who will make a referendum (albeit a special and expensive one) their signature campaign issue. Get 'em elected and move on.

Only flaw is how much of the money these 3 clowns can spend in the next year. Probably need someone like David Worley to come along and sue them for something unrelated, but something that will hold up the spending for a year or so. Something like Indian burial mounds or an endangered lizard habitat. Got to be creative.

Of course that immediately elevates Brown to County Commission Chair and local folk hero, but - can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing after looking at how the 3 amigos conduct business.

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It's already been done

Been there...done that. Remember when nobody thought Brown & McCarty stood a chance? Problem is that nobody realized just how good the 2010 S & M School of Political Indoctrination was. But the next election is over a year away, and Herb's trio can clobber our coffers in the meantime.

Can you name anybody who could've convinced the "3 clowns" to vote against the West Fayetteville Bypass? I say it's mathematically impossible to win, no matter who we might have in the other two seats. That's a disappointment to the majority who voted for Brown & McCarty, or anybody else who touted transparency.

Amazing how such an unpopular project could produce commissioners who would be willing to endure everlasting ridicule for supporting it.

When I was a kid, there were party favors with strips of paper you could pull until you found the one that popped. That's what we've been doing for years, but there are still lots more to go.

BTW, Brown made an outstanding presentation to six deaf ears.

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PIPS

"Outstyanding Presentations" mean little if anything if the vote goes wrong.

Many are made for votes next time though!

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Proud to say I voted for none of them

Or Maxwell or Smith for that matter before then.

If anyone wants to know how this commission ended up with Hearn, Horgan and Frady running the show, look at how hard Randall Johnson endorsed and supported them because he couldn't stand Wells-Dunn-Pfeiffer "messing in his bidness." Fortunately, Johnson's influence is dropping quickly and his endorsements of Smith/Maxwell last time obviously failed, even if that also meant getting Brown/McCarty instead. Should have voted bald-headed Cyclist like me :)

Hopefully this whole fiasco wakes up a lot of slumbering people in FC and brings forth much better candidates next year and in the future. While Frady likely retires and I don't see Horgan even trying for re-election, Hearn is certainly dumb enough and will probably be instructed by God that he has to run again.

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NUK

Probably because you didn't vote, period!

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Whatever, resident hemorrhoid here

You have quite the habit of multi-paragraph posts on subjects you have seemingly zero idea or knowledge about, and at least you kept this one really short but stuck to the same theme of "talking out your backside" with no knowledge of reality. Good work. If you could read and understand, you'd see who I voted for, but I guess that's asking a little much from you.

Contrast this recent blast of cluelessness with your BS about Randy Gaddo, who you stated that you had no idea about who he was or anything he did, but that didn't stop you from going on a very long diatribe of ignorance anyway and defending moron Haddix as usual just to be "special."
At least you kept it short and sweet this time.

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NUK

You said you didn't vote for any of them! I guess you meant the ones who didn't get elected?

About Mr. Gaddo----my subject was the authority of management, the Mayor, and the town council, not Mr. Gaddo.

Elections do count!

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A big mistake

IMHO.

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RIP, Frady, Hearn & Horgan

You just trough dirt on your own Political Coffins. The Joker, the Thumper and the Toker, Clown Princes of the Dumb_$$ party. I cant imagine what you two have on the Toker (other than looking the other way about his Pot), but I hope that he has saved some money because I for one am going to make it my business to tell everyone I know not to use his Tranny shop (Probably just a bunch of Pot heads anyway). You know people we can go at this another way, if a petition was presented to council with enough signatures they would have no choice than to put it on the ballet in November. That would be Sweet, we could vote them out of office at the same time we voted down this Debacle.

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If some here have more knowledge than I about getting that

petition started I will be glad to help as I am sure others on here (with the exception of Roundhead, Bonkers et al.) would be glad to do their part also.

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MYTMITE, I HAVE A PETITION

Five hundred signatures were collected in less than a week.

If you would like to help with the petition, I will be more than happy to meet with you or anyone else.

Just let me know, and we will meet at the Fayetteville Gazebo.

Thanks so much for your interest.

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