What would Brown have proposed if Frady hadn't squelched him? Here’s a peek

Fayette County Commissioner Steve Brown (L) and Commission Chairman Herb Frady in composite file photos.

In the presentation he wasn’t allowed to make at Thursday’s Fayette County Commission meeting, Commissioner Steve Brown was going to recommend the county take on millions in debt for what he feels are a host of necessary projects, with the debt to be paid off from repurposed transportation SPLOST revenues.

That plan, however, assumes that the county commission would authorize a referendum allowing for voters to sign off on transportation SPLOST revenues being shifted to pay off debt or shift the money to the general fund for property tax rollbacks.

Brown’s proposal was contained in a PowerPoint presentation that he provided to commissioners at the start of the meeting.

In the document, Brown prepared a motion to have a committee formed to prepare a list of “infrastructure, maintenance and equipment needs” for a bond “paired to the amount of SPLOST funding available ... allowing the taxpaying voters to decide whether to prevent future financial struggles and future unsustainable budgets.”

Brown’s document also was critical of deferred vehicle and heavy equipment purchases, as the commission previously has decided to try and get a longer life out of vehicles to save hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Brown also argues in the document that the county is far behind in technology, a new roof is needed for the county administration building, the county’s old jail is in need of significant repair, and a new fire station is needed in Tyrone.

Brown also argues that the county needs a new emergency operations center, other equipment for the fire department, and also wireless Internet service for sheriff’s department vehicles among other improvements.

He also wants the county to expand the parking lot at Kenwood Park.

Brown is proposing all the above projects to be funded by the transportation SPLOST, with any remaining funds — if any — to be used to offset property taxes.

In addition to a proposal that would allow a referendum to steer transportation sales tax revenues to the general fund, Brown also:

• Calls for an across the board salary reduction or furlough days for county employees to account for all new positions, pay grade adjustments and the “unbudgeted” 2010 pay for performance bonus, which was given on a one-time basis and did not increase county employees’ salaries;

• If constitutional officers such as the sheriff and clerk of court do not comply with the salary reduction or furlough days, that department would not be eligible for increased funding for further pay grade adjustments or new positions until revenues return;

Brown also contended in the PowerPoint that the previous commission deferred necessary purchases to create a “$5 million Rainy Day Fund” over the past several years.

Brown also was critical of this year’s budget being balanced by the use of more than $3 million in additional cash reserves the county has built over the past several years in budget cutting measures.

Even after the $3 million is spent on this year’s budget, the county will still have just over $5 million left in that additional cash reserve, which is over and above the county’s traditional healthy cash reserves.

Including the surplus reserve funds and also restricted reserves (the three months of working capital) and a $2 million “emergency fund” for any disaster, along with the capital improvement plan funds, the county has a total of $34.9 million available should a significant amount of funding be needed on an emergency basis in the future, county officials have said.

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This is a JOKE!!

Commissoners Agenda for Thursday night

PUBLIC HEARING:

1.Public Hearing on the County’s proposed annual budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1, 2011 and ending June 30, 2012, and consideration of Resolution No. 2011-10 adopting FY2012 budget.

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AND THEN LABELED AS UNDER OLD BUSINESS ITEM

11. Consideration of Commissioner Brown’s request related to reassessing Transportation SPLOST projects in a difficult budgeting environment when governmental expenses are climbing and revenues continue to drop.
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Why doesn't Frady, Horgan, Hearn and Krakeel just stand and flip Steve Brown and public the bird?

Same thing.

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It's the first thing listed under old business..

and the only thing.

It looks fine to me.

It is on the agenda, which I thought was what everyone wanted...

No guarantees on how folks will vote....never has been, never will be.

It is here, if anyone wants to take a look.

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/boc/archives/2011/presspac...

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Munford Left Off The Tax Breaks

The local Tea Party rep said Brown was proposing a big tax break using the SPLOST funds. How come that isn't mentioned in this article???

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Spear: Because that's not true

Local TP rep heard wrong or doesn't understand well at all.

Brown noted several big items that he thinks would be better uses for the SPLOST money than roads as well as forming a committee to go through everything and then decide what courses to pursue. Property tax rollbacks are also mentioned as an Option B.

For those who haven't seen Brown's presentation, it's on the BOC website:
http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/boc/archives/2011/presspac...

look on the left side and scroll until you get to Commissioners-Brown SPLOST.

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Nuk_1

You just said property tax rollbacks are also mentioned so which is it?

Too darn bad the three amigos didn't let him offer the proposal. I doubt they will get behind Brown on this one anyway. They have got to know they stand no chance of being re-elected so what have they got to lose by screwing the local voters?

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Doug: What Brown is proposing

His presentation lists several areas/projects that are in need of funding as well as pointing out the raiding of reserves to "balance" the budget. He also does mention that if a committee formed wanted to simply return the SPLOST money in the form of rollbacks to prop tax, that's possible.

His proposal as of now(and motion) is to simply have the FC Commish OK a referendum this November whereby the voters can vote yes/no on re-purposing the SPLOST away from the general "road/transportation" purpose it is now. He wants to in the meantime between now and then form a committee to explore in detail where that SPLOST Money could be most effectively used.....his main point is not so much where to spend the SPLOST money now-he's throwing out plenty of areas it COULD potentially be used-but to re-purpose it away from roads like WFB and to at least get on the ballot the basic YES/NO question.

I happen to agree 100% with what he's trying to do here, but I'm not a commissioner and I can't be of much help besides repeating what about everyone else is already saying: utilize HB-240 and re-purpose the millions towards where it's needed and don't spend it on WFB or EFB.

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Nuk look on next to last page

"Any SPLOST funds not used for debt reductionshould go toward offsetting property taxes"

Really, everyone should go to that site and read this last minute bug a boo that Frad was so afraid of!

Go read what 'new info' that shocked Frady! Frady is a backroom politician at their worst! He probably snickered all night over his antics.

It is 20 pages all right, but it is BOX CAR LETTER WRITING...(so Frady could follow along),mainly an outline..plain and simple just as a courtesy.

It has about 3 graphs, two pages are large quotes from the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.

Frady, Hearn, and Horgan, should be ashamed of themselves for not letting Steve Brown give his presentation!

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About the HB 240 budget proposal

The interesting part about the article is it makes it quite clear there was nothing in my presentation that the commissioners had not already heard in previous meetings or read in memorandums. There was no reason to totally shut down my agenda item.

It is also clear the three-member majority are going to claim everything is fine with the budget even though the budget is not balanced for the second year with expenses climbing.

Importantly, I was asking to form a high-level committee to work through the HB 240 proposal. I offered suggestions, but there needs to be, in my opinion, a public discussion. Unfortunately, June 23 is the last vote for the FY 2012 budget.

Other points:

1. "Brown’s document also was critical of deferred vehicle and heavy equipment purchases, as the commission previously has decided to try and get a longer life out of vehicles to save hundreds of thousands of dollars."

I have no problem with getting longer life out of vehicles, but I do have a problem not being able to fund the replacement vehicles. This is unsustainable.

2. "Brown also argues in the document that the county is far behind in technology, a new roof is needed for the county administration building, the county’s old jail is in need of significant repair, and a new fire station is needed in Tyrone."

To be more precise, our staff and available outside studies show our technology is behind (technology staffing too), there are water leak stains on the ceilings and the staff is right in saying the we should have been out of the Tyrone station years ago.

3. "Brown also argues that the county needs a new emergency operations center, other equipment for the fire department, and also wireless Internet service for sheriff’s department vehicles among other improvements."

Our current Emergency Operations Center is on the second floor of a building that is retail-grade construction. Public Safety staff has been trying for years to construct a facility that meets survivability and security requirements, capable of surviving damage from earthquake, tornado, flooding, explosion, etc. Our current facility is well beyond inadequate and this year's severe weather disasters should serve as a clear warning that we need to act if we want to perform in the midst of a disaster.

4. "Brown also was critical of this year’s budget being balanced by the use of more than $3 million in additional cash reserves the county has built over the past several years in budget cutting measures."

Our expenditures are exceeding our revenue. Revenues are down. And do you really have "additional cash" if you are under-funding capital purchases and maintenance?

If our revenues were climbing at seven-percent a year over the last four years, our problems would be less. We have seen negative growth in revenue over the years. Some of the necessary items like maintaining the old jail facility for future capacity are not being funded at all, causing major expenses in future years.

To shut down this proposal is sad.

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Sounds like the old commisoners and now the 3 leftovers

have been cutting us short for a few past years to have extra money for their pet project....the bypasses!

If Hearn was standing on a STACK of Bibles, I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth!

The repurposing of the bypass money will never see a vote and if it does..the vote will be 'no'!

You can carve it is stone...the 3 stooges are gonna say "we can't possibly put repurposing the bypass money on the ballot! We haven't had a chance to discuss it properly...and oh yes..It is all Steve Brown's fault!"

Just hide and watch. That is exactly what they will say.

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Steve Brown, excuse the sarcasm but

referring to your comments below (item #4 in your post above)--isn't that how Peachtree City lives and governs? Why should we expect any differently from our County?

"Our expenditures are exceeding our revenue. Revenues are down. And do you really have "additional cash" if you are under-funding capital purchases and maintenance?

If our revenues were climbing at seven-percent a year over the last four years, our problems would be less. We have seen negative growth in revenue over the years. Some of the necessary items like maintaining the old jail facility for future capacity are not being funded at all, causing major expenses in future years."

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Moelarrycurly

Sound financial management demands that you balance the budget. Sure, you can bleed all of your fund balances down and exhaust your reserves, but where does that leave you?

I am tired of special interest road projects taking precedence over balancing a budget and funding critical needs. There is a reason the three-member majority did everything within their power to keep the HB 240 agenda item out of public discussion.

Think about it ... they had ample votes to defeat it ... they did not want it to see the light of day because it is a logical way to handle an unsustainable budget using funds for a road project they cannot justify.

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So that begs the question

what is your opinion of the 10 county ARC SPLOST referendum as it is right now? Just right now.

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Steve

"Think about it ... they had ample votes to defeat it ... they did not want it to see the light of day because it is a logical way to handle an unsustainable budget using funds for a road project they cannot justify."

That is so true, they didn't even want it brought up. It was much too logical. They want to the public to not pay attention so they can keep on building the road for their friends and family

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ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE IN FAYETTE COUNTY?

Please meet at the Gazebo outside the Commission Meeting Room on Thursday, June 23rd at 6:00 P.M. to sign a petition asking three of our commissioners to grant a referendum, as stated in HB-240, to modify the 2004 SPLOST projects and reassign West Bypass funds to property taxes.

Fayette County Officials need to maintain our current county infrastructure before fulfilling projects on some commissioners' wish list. Collapsing roads and crumbling bridges should come before new roads. Since the county hasn't maintained the collapsing roads and crumbling bridges we already have, THEY NEED TO STOP CONSTRUCTION ON THE WEST BYPASS IMMEDIATELY!!

Will Frady and Hearn EVER grant the voters' RIGHT to decide for ourselves how our tax money will be spent?

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Mr. Brown

That old fox is out foxing you Mr. Brown, you have been out maneuvered.

I suppose after you get some experience, you too can block your political opponents in the future.

You can stick a fork in Messrs Frady, Hearn, and Horgan, they're done in the next election. ;-)

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you mean out maneuvered the public!

the contemptuous Frady, Hearn, and Horgan, have ALREADY taken our right to vote from us at the last meeting and people don't realize it.

They will just simply say they haven't had time to study it, therefore, it won't be on the ballot!

This is how corrupt politicians operate. And Hearn will still go around mouthing what a good Christian he is! To me that is the sleaziest.

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Suggarfoot - I don't

think I would go that far, but it is clear that Mr. Frady and Mr. Hearn have an "agenda". In Mr. Frady's case is it could be that his ego won't let him "share" power, or it could be that he has some hidden agenda. I don't know, all I know is he's toast and so are the other two.

Mr. Frady knows this, he doesn't care. He will simply not run next time.

We have plenty of disfunctional personalities to go around.

Mr. Brown is an amateur, he has a lot to learn but he has a big ego, this will work against him as it has in the past.

It seems we have politicians that are in the game to prove "they're in charge." None work together to solve the signficant problems that we have in government. I for one am not happy with any of them.

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Let the CItizens Decide What they think of Brown's proposal

First, Brown gets shot down by Frady. Next, his presentation, and what appears to be what the county would use in rebuttal,suddenly appeared in the newspaper.

By the next commissioners meeting, the county will have had two weeks to prepare rebuttal to the presentation. Now they have another week to prepare rebuttal to Brown's rebuttal to the article.

The whole shebang would have been much better in the first place if they had just let him go ahead and speak, since they already had time to read what he had to say.

I predict the presentation will be outstanding and will win public support. But approving the referendum would mean that the three amigos would have to admit there are things that Fayette County needs to do more than build the West Fayetteville Bypass. The public has opposed it so far, and if Frady were to allow a referendum vote on it, he would risk scrapping the project.

I also could mean the three amigos just might have some chance of getting reelected. There's nary a soul left other than the 3 amigos who has publicly spoken positively of the West Bypass since Smith and Maxwell were voted out.

Every voter in Fayette County should attend the June 23 meeting, listen carefully, and make his/her voice heard. If you want to reduce property tax and county debt, SPEAK UP!

Last week, scores of unhappy campers walked out of the meeting.

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End of story...stooges already beat us out of chance to vote

"Importantly, I was asking to form a high-level committee to work through the HB 240 proposal. I offered suggestions, but there needs to be, in my opinion, a public discussion. ......

Unfortunately, June 23 is the last vote for the FY 2012 budget."

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Let's talk about the budget

The interesting part about article is it makes it quite clear there was nothing in my presentation that the commissioners had not already heard in previous meetings or read in memorandums. There was no reason to totally shut down my agenda item.

It is also clear the three-member majority are going to claim everything is fine with the budget even though the budget is not balanced for the second year with expenses climbing.

Importantly, I was asking to form a high-level committee to work through the HB 240 proposal. I offered suggestions, but there needs to be, in my opinion, a public discussion. Unfortunately, June 23 is the last vote for the FY 2012 budget.

Other points:

1. "Brown’s document also was critical of deferred vehicle and heavy equipment purchases, as the commission previously has decided to try and get a longer life out of vehicles to save hundreds of thousands of dollars."

I have no problem with getting longer life out of vehicles, but I do have a problem not being able to fund the replacement vehicles. This is unsustainable.

2. "Brown also argues in the document that the county is far behind in technology, a new roof is needed for the county administration building, the county’s old jail is in need of significant repair, and a new fire station is needed in Tyrone."

To be more precise, our staff and available outside studies show our technology is behind (technology staffing too), there are water leak stains on the ceilings and the staff is right in saying the we should have been out of the Tyrone station years ago.

3. "Brown also argues that the county needs a new emergency operations center, other equipment for the fire department, and also wireless Internet service for sheriff’s department vehicles among other improvements."

Our current Emergency Operations Center is on the second floor of a building that is retail-grade construction. Public Safety staff has been trying for years to construct a facility that meets survivability and security requirements, capable of surviving damage from earthquake, tornado, flooding, explosion, etc. Our current facility is well beyond inadequate and this year's severe weather disasters should serve as a clear warning that we need to act if we want to perform in the midst of a disaster.

4. "Brown also was critical of this year’s budget being balanced by the use of more than $3 million in additional cash reserves the county has built over the past several years in budget cutting measures."

Our expenditures are exceeding our revenue. Revenues are down. And do you really have "additional cash" if you under-funding capital purchases and maintenance?

If our revenues were climbing at seven-percent a year over the last four years, our problems would be less. We have seen negative growth in revenue over the years. Some of the necessary items like maintaining the old jail facility for future capacity are not being funded at all, causing major expenses in future years.

To shut down this proposal is sad.

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Steve, At this point you are probably beating a dead horse.

Maybe you should look a little further down the road and develop some new strategy.

Be better prepared next time for the stonewalling and delays that Frady presents.

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Steve, take notes and give the presentation as you intented

with all these comments in mind and given due consideration.

It's like a "peek" into the future for you. So prepare your presentation accordingly.

If I were you I would just withdraw the outline from submission and give a presentation off the cuff according to my personal notes. And never provide them with an outline again. Just give them as little written material as required from now on.

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This article does a disservice to Commissioner Brown

in that it gives way more than a "peek" at Brown's proposals. It seems to dissect it without the full benefit of the presentation, but only a "peek" at the outline.

I'd be more interested in what a fly on the wall would have heard when this was presented to the newspaper.

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THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS ARTICLE

THE PUBLIC WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR COMMISSIONER BROWN'S PRESENTATION ON JUNE 9TH. Chairman Frady denied us that opportunity.

Chairman Frady, Jack Krakeel and the other commissioners had Steve Brown's information at least 2 1/2 weeks before the June 9th commission meeting.

Commissioner Brown supplied his information to the County Adm inistrator, Chairman Frady, Vice Chairman Horgan, Commissioner Hearn, and Commissioner McCarty at least 3 1/2 weeks prior to this article.

It is more than obvious that Chairman Frady denied Steve Brown's presentation in order to give himself, Krakeel, Bennett, Horgan, and Hearn an opportunity to put their spin on Brown's presentation and put that spin in the newspapers before they allowed Commissioner Brown the opportunity to present his information.

All of that tells me that I would be a fool to believe anything Frady says without being able to hear Brown's presentation.

During the June 9th commission meeting, it was way beyond obvious that Frady, Horgan, and Hearn had set-up the situation to play out the way it did. The nail that sealed Frady and Hearn's little pine box was when Hearn asked County Attorney Bennett to give an opinion as to what HB-240 could be used to cover and Hearn also tried to give his Commissioner's Report on HB-240.

I never have trusted Hearn or Frady. With their latest little game of "I'll get you before you can get me," I absolutely don't trust either one of them any further than I can throw them.

Now, if Steve Brown tries to give a rebuttal to information in this article during the next commission meeting, he will be gaveled down once again because there won't be a two week notice before the next meeting.

This is all a political game to Frady and Hearn. What is so disturbing is they are allowed to get away with playing their little political games with the lives of Fayette citizens.

Every citizen in Fayette County needs to attend the June 23rd commission meeting. If the meeting room won't hold the attendees, they should set up a PA system in the parking lot and hold the meeting there.

I am personally tired of Frady's double standards, political games, and double talk.

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Commisioners wanted their 'spin' or nothing!

"It is more than obvious that Chairman Frady denied Steve Brown's presentation in order to give himself, Krakeel, Bennett, Horgan, and Hearn an opportunity to put their spin on Brown's presentation and put that spin in the newspapers before they allowed Commissioner Brown the opportunity to present his information"

And what he is trying to do is being 'slanted' by Munford.

Steve Brown is saying...WE HAVE BILLS..WE NEED TO PAY THEM FIRST, THEN PAY FOR THINGS WE (NOT THE DEVELOPERS) NEED, AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING LEFT..GIVE IT BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS...

Munford is on Frady's team because the article makes it sound like he went out and picked out a lot of frivoulus extravagant things to do with the money. I like Nelms reporting better, he is fair.

THE BYPASS MEANS HIGHER TAXES TO PAY FOR THE ROADS AND TO MAINTAIN WHAT THE CITIZENS NEED.

Taking the money they want to use for the bypass and paying our bills down and maintaining what we have makes more sense than to build the bypass and put us deeper in debt and workers loose their jobs.

THIS IS WHY FRADY, HEARN AND HORGAN DON'T WANT HIM TO SPEAK. THEY DON'T WANT THE CHOICES GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE. THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR MONEY AND SPEND IT ON THEIR PET PROJECT...THE BYPASS.

THE GOV PASSED THIS LAW TO HELP US KEEP DOWN OUR TAXES..WE WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO USE IT TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

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Just who are the developers

who stand go get rich? Who owned the hospital land that was sold and someone got rich? Why is getting rich a bad thing?

How do the downtown Fayetteville folks feel about the need for a bypass, for or against?

At times I think one is needed, but then I drive on the other side of Atlanta and think we still in good shape. How will things be in 20 years?

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Spy, The Developers Are

Highway 92 LLC owned by John Wieland Homes, ARC Enterprises (Rivers, Horton, Trammell Families - Bob Rolader Developer) John F. Austin, Dan V. Stinchcomb & Ned Walker, Green Development & Fayette Builders (Ed Wyatt owns both of those companies) are the developers. Ed Wyatt was a huge supporter of Jack Smith and Eric Maxwell's campaigns. No doubt he supported Frady, Horgan, and Hearn, too.

Getting rich isn't a bad thing, but when you take other folks property in order to make that happen for a few that is just plain wrong.

Mayor Ken Steele is all for it because he wants the hospital area to go commercial big time in order to annex that into the City of Fayetteville.

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Come on dude, that's just a coincidence

You thinking the landowners conspired to elect Hearn or any of the others - just so they could make money? You are really freaky. These fine gentlemen (and Jan T. - the token female) are upstanding citizens who have just happened to own land where the road to nowhere is being built You are so suspicious. Get over it.

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fair enough..

All of those entities own land in/around said bypass route?

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get rich, but not at my expense.

Pull a county map and you can see all the LLCs and family trust that own the land next to the bypass and empty schools. Our school system has been ruined finacialy for years to come by a 3 person majority catering to the developers. We have paid a fortune for new schools, not for our children, but for the children of people the developers hoped to entice to buy houses there.

Now, we are building two roads for the same reason. This will also put us in the hole.

As I've said many times before, 'charity begins at home'.

We need to take that money and pay down our debt (us, the taxpayers, the people who paid the money in the 1st place) Everything needs to be done for us 1st.

That road can be built in 5 yrs if needed. Right now we don't need them as bad as we need tax relief.

But, it is up to the people to decice that and Hearn, Horgan, and Frady have taken away their opportunity to have a say in how our tax money will be spent.

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I can somewhat understand the school problem..

Things came to a grinding halt in home building. If things had continued, the school space would have been used.

I still don't understand why one road is good and the other is bad. That's my biggest issue. Say we do need the road in 5 years, playing devils advocate, the land will be more expensive then...pavement, etc. Catch 22.

You speak of paying down debt, I have no problem with that, I can only assume you saw the things that SB wanted to buy with the SPLOST funds. How does that pay down debt?

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Part of Steve Brown's deal was to take part of the money and buy the right of way so they can build it in the future if they want. They don't want to hear of that, they want to build it now. If we build it now on a gamble, then we may very well wind up in the same fix as the school deal.

I don't think we have the traffic for either road now personally. But in looking at a map, it seems the east by pass would be closer to I75 than the long ambling thing called the west by pass is to I85. I don't live in the eastern side of the county, so I don't know if the traffic warrents it. More importantly, I also don't know if the people there ..WANT..it.

the west bypass is just plain goofy..that is my side of town. It ends up by 74 which is already crowded in the mornings and would put more traffic into the bottleneck of 74/I85. The bottleneck is in the next county so we have no control of what they do up there.

The truth is we are going to have to raise taxes to pay employees and to replace things we need if we don't repurpose the money. People have no money now for more taxes. But at the end of the day, it should be the people who decide. Again, Steve was giving examples only, of where else the money could go, one of which was to give some of the money back to the taxpayers at this time. The other 3 commisioners are giving us NO choices..just their way only.

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All he had to do

was put his proposal on the agenda...give them the time required. If they don't want to address it, so be it. That's the way 3-2 majorities work. Elections work too. If what SB has to say makes sense, word will get out.

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The delay might be fatal

Brown's proposal requires that the commission vote to allow the issue to be put before the public so we can vote it up or down. Naturally no one would propose an expensive special election, so logically it would be on the ballot this November. However, there is a deadline for getting something on that ballot and I think the stalling technique could be used to miss that deadline. This 2-week delay is probably just the first one.

Anybody know when the deadline is? Anybody think Frady is unaware of the deadline? Anybody think Frady is above that type of behavior?

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Stooges won't let it on the ballot!

I don't think it is gonna make it deadline or not, the reason being ..THEY HAVE TO VOTE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT... Frady, Hearn, and Horgan, will vote against it.

It will never make it to a vote.

They want to decide for you.

Though I personaly feel with Hearn's relatives involved in the land trust that could possibly gain from this, I think he shouldn't vote.

But wild horses couldn't keep him from it.

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I think they will try to avoid an outright vote against

That would really create some serious unrest. I mean how can you possibly justify voting against the right of the citizens deciding how to spend their own money? They will do anything to avoid being put in that position. I can't understand their stubborn behavior on this. The Hearn Family Trust explanation seems weak to me. There must be something else lurking behind the scenes that we don't know about yet.

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I agree there is more there

You are right, but we more than likely won't ever know what it is. I agree, they will stonewall or something to keep it from a vote. But if it comes to a vote to let the people decide, they will vote it down.

It is obvious they are looking out for someone else than the voters and do not want the taxpayers to be in the drivers seat on what is done with their own money.

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Sway Horgan's vote

Frady is a lost cause and has been for years and years. He has been the same arrogant guy that backs it up with nothing for a very long time and forget about him suddenly developing common sense or anything like being reasonable.

Hearn has shown he's a total weasel and also seems to think he's "above it all" thanks to God. Of all the current commissioners, I have nothing but disgust for him. At least in Frady's mind he's spent all of these years in PTC and FC trying to serve the people...Hearn? No. He probably has a vendetta against some in FC with the way he exited his employment there and he's also full of crap regardless.

Horgan? He owns two local businesses and is definitely tied to FC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone knows about his MaryJane/expired tag issues, but this is the guy to talk to because of his livelihood being based in FC and he has the most to gain by going out on a positive note (I was going to say high note, but...uhhh) than either fossil Frady or screwball Hearn who works in Henry County and seems to be around in FC just to be a nuisance.
Horgan also might feel some remorse over the very public problem he had and would likely not mind a chance to get right with the overwhelming public sentiment.

Send all the comments/suggestions/criticisms/ideas Horgan's way and maybe you can break the Gridlock of 3. You're wasting your time if you think King Frady or charlatan Hearn will listen to you.

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NUK_1 - excellent analysis.

Frady has told numerous people that he feels "20 years is enough" so he's not going to run for reelection. I personally don't believe that he would stand a snowball's chance in hades of getting re-elected and I would bet that he knows it. Besides, Herb FINALLY got the chance to be the big cheese and ........ the "Peter Principle" kicked in.

Hearn is a bible thumper - enough said.

As a businessman, Horgan may well indeed be the only one of the three open to reason.

Being a fiscal conservative, I LIKE the idea of using those splost funds to pay down/off County debt.

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Horgan businessman????

He runs his business like he drives....no integrity!!! I didn't trust him before he got elected because he doesn't stand behind his work. Driving under the influence just proves I was right.

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I wonder if Horgan realizes

letting these other two lead him down their garden path will effect his business?

With the bypass going AROUND his business instead of through Fayetteville, he will already loose trade and have to advertise more to keep the status quo he has now. He only has to ask owners of business in Tyrone that folded when 74 came by.

Now, put in the equations the citizens know he kept them from voting on what to do with their own money and it gets really nasty. He is not doing what is logicaly best for himself by taking our right to vote from us.

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Just maybe there is enough compensation to cover what would

be lost? Maybe the amount lost would be miniscule in comparison or maybe it would not matter then if the business closed down. Who knows???

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Good point. Threaten his pocketbook.

I can see people avoiding Mr. Transmission if the owner denied citizens the right to determine their own fate. Question is - can he see that? It is certainly worth a try to win him over to the side of democracy.

Agree the other two are immovable.

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Morgan & Horgan's Pocketbook

You folks are a real hoot! I guarantee you that if Horgan switched to "NO WAY, NO WFB", there would be screaming posts saying "He only did it for personal gain--no common sense observed!" Means he can't win--other than maybe being able to sleep better at night and look himself in the mirror and say "You did the right thing for the county's citizens!"

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Right you are Gym

And I'd be among the first to say that Horgan switched his vote for personal gain. So what? At least that would be understandable where his current alignment with the other 2 dopes defies all common sense and logic. The new law allows the citizens a say in switching what the SPLOST money is used for. It recognizes that the citizens voted for it (albeit 9 years ago) and that the citizens are paying the tax and they have a right to change their minds. A lot has happened in the last 9 years and even if the WFB is a developer's road like you all contend, there is not going to be any development for years. Better to use the money for today's problem rather than ginning up for potential revenue 10 years down the road.

Again, if Frady and his buddies deny us the right to vote on this, there will be some real unrest and they will be vilified for years to come. Of course all that could happen and next county commission can get it on the 2012 ballot, so why they would resist doing it now is a real mystery.

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At Home..he can win

Letting the people decide what to do with their own money ..IS.. the right thing.

He wouldn't be swaying it for, or against himself. No more than Brown is. Brown just wants the voters to have their say and then intends to abide by the vote.

That is the right decision, rather than tell us we are BOUND by something that was talked about almost 10 years ago. Needs change.

If people vote they want the money for the bypass, so be it. If against, so be it. Horgan nor Brown can influence the way we vote, but they can give us a chance to have our say.

Hearn and Frady are beyond redemption. They are fearful of giving us a choice.

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Sweetfeet & Posts re Horgan

Either you didn't read or read and didn't understand the posts prior to mine--and you clearly missed the point of my post.

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Gym

Hope all is well with you.
Please, these same folks likely voted for the SPLOST that started this whole mess.

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ginga: Munford has the presentation itself

This article isn't spin from the other FC commissioners.

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Nuk, you're confused. If it in any way might make SB

look not so perfect, it's "spin", "hogwash", "BS". Etc...try and keep up. Our you could just wait for a few of SB's alter egos to show up and straighten things out.

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Spy: TRUE

Next big issue, Commish McCarty ought to take the lead so the Browniacs don't bombard and muddy the waters so much.

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Sounds like Brown wants to spend just as much..

just on different things. Not sure what this accomplishes.

And is he STILL for the EBP or against?

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I agree Munford's wording didn't do Steve Brown any favors

Funny how a few words put just right can change the whole slant of the article.

"...... Commissioner Steve Brown was going to recommend the county take on millions in debt for what he feels are a host of necessary projects, with the debt to be paid off from re purposed transportation SPLOST revenues."

That wording makes you think Brown came up with a bunch of unnecessary projects.

There is an old saying "charity begins at home".

What he really wants to do is spend the bypass money to pay down our existing debts and things we might need more than 2 roads. He is deeply concerned about our taxes going higher.

What he goes on to list are things we need more than a bypass for the developers.

We need that money spent on US, not tools for developers to open up their cowpastures, or family land trust to maximize their profits.

More than anything, we need a tax cut...or give us some of our tax money in the form of a refund. This could be possible if the money is repurposed.

By spending everything we have on a road for developers, there is nothing left for our needs, much less a refund.

The end of the story is, if this money goes for the 2 bypasses, we will have to pay more taxes and county jobs will be lost.

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If he for or against the EBP?

It's obvious he wants to spend the money...that's not up for debate after reading this article.

Now back to my question? I can't figure out why he thinks one by pass is fine and the other one is preposterous.

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If you send that re-purposed sales tax.....

....money for this and that, how does that reduce the overall taxes? Sales tax will rise to pay off the SPLOST.

We will still have no bypasses which will be needed by the time they are completed.

"Give us a tax cut," how will we do that---we will raise the sales tax not cut it.

Paying off current debt with it only allows us to spend more then on other debt, which we most assuredly will do.

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It's all up to Frady

If Frady were to decide to grant the referendum, then the people of Fayette County would finally decide the fate of the bypasses, themselves. In 2004, the bypass projects were disguised as "road, street and bridge purposes." They were not identified on the SPLOST ballot. The voters were duped.

People need to stop and think how much good shifting funds from projects we don't need like the West Bypass to reducing county debt and property taxes would do. The county is facing declining revenue, and needs the money.

Whatever Frady decides on this issue, Hearn and Horgan will vote with him and seal the deal. I would admire him if would finally grant the voters of Fayette County the right to vote on the fate of the SPLOST projects in question, themselves. With the three 2010 holdovers, that's the only way those who voted for Brown and McCarty would be able to have their anti SPLOST anti West Bypass votes count.

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I wonder if this is how Frady wants to go out?

His last year in office pulling this. Is this the way he wants to be remembered?

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