NAACP probes Dollar’s arrest by Fayette deputies

Asks ‘culturally sensitive’ questions about ‘unruly children’; older sister changed her story about what she saw

The Georgia State Conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Fayette County Branch of the NAACP are conducting a preliminary investigation into the circumstances of the June 8 arrest of World Changers Church International Pastor Creflo Dollar.

The well-known mega-church pastor was arrested at his Sandy Creek Road home shortly after midnight on charges of simple battery and cruelty to children after Fayette County deputies responded to his north Fayette County residence on a domestic disturbance call.

The arrest came after Dollar’s 15-year-old daughter and a witness, the girl’s 19-year-old sister, told deputies that their father physically assaulted the 15-year-old.

“Today, many parents in any household have vivid recollections of being firmly disciplined during childhood and can directly reflect on how that discipline made them better adults. In order to ensure fairness, the NAACP wants to make sure that first responders to alleged domestic parent/child dispute calls are skillfully trained to clearly distinguish discipline from child abuse,” the NAACP press release said.

Fayette County NAACP President John E. Jones also weighed in on the topic.

“We simply want to make sure that Pastor Dollar is allowed to be a responsible parent and discipline his children,” said Jones. “Parenting children in this day and time can be very challenging because many children believe that they can call the police at any time to stop any unwanted discipline. Little do they know that this can subject their parent or them to an arrest. Conversely, unruly or undisciplined children could get physically hurt or suffer worse punishment when they act out and come in contact with law enforcement. African-American children suffer the most in this situation. The parents are in a dilemma whether to forgo disciplining their children or to leave it up to law enforcement. Should we be apathetic, lax or indifferent and let the courts send our unruly children to jail or should we as parents do our duty and appropriately discipline our children? These are the questions every parent is asking today. The responsibility of the NAACP is to get out front and ask these culturally sensitive questions that affect the fundamental cause of freedom, equality and justice.”

Essentially echoing the statements of the local branch, the press release noted that Georgia State Conference NAACP President Edward O. DuBose is seeking factual information on how Pastor Dollar was handled and wants to make sure there is not a rush to judgment or a pattern of behavior by Fayette County officials towards a particular segment of its citizens.

The Georgia State Conference NAACP along with the Fayette County Branch are pressing for a thorough investigation to make sure sound judgment is exercised and proper procedures are followed by the sheriff’s office in making an arrest in this or any similar cases, the press release said.

Statements by the NAACP were in reference to Dollar’s June 8 arrest on charges of simple battery and cruelty to children in relation to an incident at the family’s home on Sandy Creek Road in north Fayette County.

Fayette County Sheriff’s spokesman Brent Rowan said deputies responded to the Dollar residence at approximately 1 a.m. on June 8 in reference to a domestic disturbance. Upon their arrival, deputies interviewed Dollar’s 15-year-old daughter who said she and her father had been in an argument over her attending an upcoming party, Rowan said. Deputies also interviewed a witness to the disturbance, Rowan added.

Deputies at the scene were told that the argument turned physical, with Dollar found to be the primary aggressor, said Rowan. The 15-year-old suffered superficial injuries and did not require medical treatment, Rowan said.

According to reports, the 15-year-old daughter told investigators that she went to the kitchen and began crying after being told she could not attend an upcoming party. Her father entered the room and asked her why she was crying. Upon being told that she did not want to “talk right now” Pastor Dollar charged her, put his hands around her throat and began to choke her, reports said.

The 15-year-old told deputies her father then “slammed her to the ground and began punching her and took his shoe off and started whooping her with it,” reports said. The deputy in his report said he noticed a scratch on the right side of the girl’s neck close to her throat.

The report indicated that Pastor Dollar in his statement said he and his daughter were in a disagreement about a party she wanted to attend. After the exchange his daughter left the room and entered the kitchen and became upset. Dollar told deputies that he entered the kitchen and asked why she was upset. Dollar said his daughter became very disrespectful and he approached her and tried to restrain her. Dollar stated that while restraining her, she began to hit back and then he wrestled her to the floor. He said that, while on the floor, he began to spank her on her bottom and the back of her legs. Dollar said she calmed down after the spanking and was advised to go to her room, reports said.

Deputies also spoke with a witness to the disturbance, the younger girl’s 19-year-old sister. The 19-year-old sibling in her statement recalled the argument, stating that while in the kitchen, Pastor Dollar grabbed the 15-year-old’s shoulders, slapped her in the face and put both hands around her neck and choked her for about five seconds, adding that the 15-year-old tried to break free and did not fight back, according to reports. The older daughter said she then left the room to get the 15-year-old’s mother after Dollar threw her younger sister to the ground.

Deputies in the report noted that the 19-year-old wrote two statements.

“The first statement she wrote was completely different to the events she had explained to me,” the deputy said in the incident report narrative. “She wrote, ‘my sister got into an argument with my father. She went into the kitchen and began to be disrespectful to my father. He simply bent her over and gave her a spanking, nothing that could physically harm her. I changed my story because I thought the situation went out of hand and I didn’t want my dad to get arrested.’ That was the exact words from her first statement. After confronting her with the statement she had written and the testimony she originally gave, (the 19-year-old) wrote a second statement explaining what she had first told me. (She) wrote the first statement due to her parents being outside with her while she was writing it. After separating her away from her parents, she then wrote down what she had first told me when I arrived on the scene.”

The report also noted that the mother, Taffi Dollar, indicated that she did not witness the altercation.

Dollar, age 50, was arrested on charges of simple battery-family violence and cruelty to children, Rowan said.

The high profile pastor heads Creflo Dollar Ministries that includes the World Changers Church International located in College Park and CDM Global Missions. World Changers International has 16 satellite churches in seven states and Washington, D.C., and CDM has offices in Australia, South Africa, Nigeria and the United Kingdom, according to creflodollarministries.org.

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Now the SCLC is involved

Just a small bit from the AJC:

The Rev. Creflo Dollar Jr. picked up more support Friday when a local Southern Christian Leadership Conference official accused Fayette County Sheriff's deputies of mishandling the arrest of the controversial megachurch pastor.

Dollar was charged with simple battery, family violence and cruelty to children last Friday after deputies determined they had probable cause to suggest the minister had choked and hit his 15-year-old daughter.

"I think it's been exaggerated because of who is it," the Rev. Samuel Mosteller, president of the SCLC's Georgia chapter, told reporters at a news conference Friday morning. "If it was a normal family I don't think there would've been an arrest at all."

Now I ask, who are the ones that are exaggerating "because of who is it"?

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The SCLC is totally broke and has been for a a while

I guess they are really hoping Creflo cuts them a sweet check for standing behind him despite knowing absolutely nothing about nothing as it regards to domestic disturbance 911 calls.

Go ahead...whore yourself out to the almighty Creflo because he might grace you with some money that your pathetic organization needs.

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Who is it? Who is it? You moron. We know who is it- the $guy

Possibly you meant - who it is. Sound better? Who it is. Meaning the all-powerful Creflo Dollar. Who it is - as in the infamous question - do you know who I am? OK Samuel? Who it is. Practice that. Sunday sermon time is coming up.

"Who it is" Got it? By saying it correctly - hey, let's practice again - WHO IT IS, WHO IT IS. And while we are working on our English, the way you properly use words is to say - "If it were a normal family" not "was" that makes you sound like an ignorant field worker.

It ain't a tag game where they really do ask who is IT. Or maybe it is a tag game to you. Dope.

I do agree with one thing you said - "If it was (again you should use the word were) a normal family I don't think there would've (questionable contraction) been an arrest at all" True enough Mr. Reverend. Normal families don't have fathers choking their teenage kids in the middle of the night. Do they?

Thanks Rev. Samuel Mosteller for dropping into our county and telling us how to live (and speak). Love Jesus. Love you, dude. Now go away.

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Maybe we should aks (sp) him what he meant to say.

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ILuv...

...they probably had a check in hand prior to that statement. From the little I've seen of the SCLC, they seem to be a joke, but again I don't know much about them.

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ILuvFayette

I think Rev. Mollester had it right- It is an abnormal family.
Then again, what does he mean by "normal"? If the police wouldn't have done anything, they would have been accused of not protecting the children.
You can't win with these race pimps.

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Really????

Reverse racisim is still racism!

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I think some of the posters

I think some of the posters here and the NAACP have completely lost sight of something here. Regardless or race, religion or preference of Pizza toppings what gives anyone the right to put your hands around the throat of a child? Or anyone else for that matter? Let me be clear, Im all for corporal punishment (which is still legal btw). Your child acts up I believe you have every right to leave a hand print on his or her butt that they will feel for a week. Hell, Im all for bring the paddle back in to the schools. But some don't know where to draw the line between punishment and abuse. That's why you see children with cigarette burns on their bodies, constant bruises, children beaten with objects other then the paddles, belts, spoons and switches most of us saw as children. Lets not mention the unseen mental scaring that carries over to their children, and their children's children.

as for the case, the facts appear to be this: The deputies had probable cause to make an arrest based on physical and testimonial evidence. From more then one person. What difference does it make that the offender is an influential person? OR black man, a white man, a male or female?

The case now lies in the hands of lawyers not the NAACP to investigate. Its up to the state to prove he did, in fact, put his hands on the throat of a 15 year old child (which in case you didnt know is an extremely easy way to cause the irreversible side effect of death) or the defense to prove there was not a reason to arrest the man.

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The Just-Us System

The Just Us System = The Injustice system! Always follow the $$$$ and you may find your answer?
1. Do your research - how do jails/prisions make $$$$

......... There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, "no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens." The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world's prison population, but only 5% of the world's people. From less than 300,000 inmates in 1972, the jail population grew to 2 million by the year 2000. In 1990 it was one million. Ten years ago there were only five private prisons in the country, with a population of 2,000 inmates; now, there are 100, with 62,000 inmates. It is expected that by the coming decade, the number will hit 360,000, according to reports.

What has happened over the last 10 years? Why are there so many prisoners?

"The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself," says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being "an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps."

The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. . . . . . .
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2. CAFR accounts = Investments - again do your research @ cafr1.com
3. Why have WE allowed our once great nation to deteriorate?
4. Oh and by the way is the jail still filled with mold?

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Non violent drug offenses..

if you want the answer to your question.

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Yeah, china is so much better

Yeah, china is so much better on its citizens... As is Iran where theft gets your hands cut off. Let's not forget Russia where you get your teeth knocked out by the butt of a rifle for being drunk in public...

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Yeah, china is so much better

Yeah, china is so much better on its citizens... As is Iran where theft gets your hands cut off. Let's not forget Russia where you get your teeth knocked out by the butt of a rifle for being drunk in public...

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So, What Is It?

What is it?
Did the FCSD arrest Mr. Dollar because they are racist or because they plan to put him in an orange jumpsuit and rent him out to clean up roadside traffic?

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Why the race card?

Why is race even a factor with the arrest? I just don't understand why the race card is constantly played in situations like this.

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Your culture allows you to choke your child?

Since when is choking your child acceptable in ANY culture? Back off, NAACP. Let Cashflo take his lumps as any other parent behaving illegally has to.

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MR Dollar,

you should tap that butt, when the girl gets out of line.
no promblem with that. she needs to learn to do as you say,
in your one of many homes you have. the other thing is you
should step down from your church because you are the one
that got the naacp to come. next will be rev al, then jesse
jackson. the naacp is a joke. mlk would roll in his grave,
if he seen yall today. mr dollar you took charge as a parent,
thats a good thing. but as a rev, you are a joke. fayette co
police do a great job in our co. stop using the race as a shield,
and try telling the truth about what happened.

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Meanwhile ...

How many young black men killed how many young black men on the streets of America today?! WHERE IS THE NAACP's OUTRAGE OVER THAT?!

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The outrage is there - and there is a concerted effort to deal with this horror within the legal system and the 'black' community. Believe me, this is an outrage that is hard to contain. While working in certain neighborhoods in Los Angeles, I attended between 3 and 5 funerals a month in the black and latino communities during a period of three years. These perpetrators and victims do have families - and this problem is very destructive to a community when you have your own murdering your own. Be grateful that you are not living in this 'reality'. The solution to this problem has so many facets! (Meaningful early education; family management education/especially for single mothers; strict law enforcement; control of drug sales-THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM - for many see the sale of drugs as a business and their only hope for 'being somebody'; the control of the sale of hand guns and assault weapons; and JOBS. Not a day goes by when a mother is informed that her son (or daughter) is dead. I don't know about here in the Atlanta area - but all of the homicides were not front page stories in LA. Sometimes there had to be police in the cemeteries to keep the grieving families of dead gang members separated. The real tragedy is the number of innocents that were caught in 'cross fire'. We don't need any group expressing violent outrage regarding this problem. The outrage is being handled by many organizations and law enforcement and social agencies - but the basis of this problem IMO is the illegal drug industry. .and the criminals that control it. These criminals are in every strata of our society - the street criminals are at the bottom of the pile. . .it is a war - and they are on the front lines dying. They are not heroes - and they leave grieving families. When a black or latino boy graduates from high school - there is great celebration in the community - because too many of his friends are institutionalized or dead. In communities that comprise Fayette County - you are aware of the sincere grief when one student dies of an overdose or an accident. Multiply that hurt a million times in the inner cities of our country where they are experiencing multiple deaths all too frequently.

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Nice essay, David's Mom ... but

Where is the NACCP --- and so-called "leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton -- doing ANYTHING to combat the senseless black-on-black violence? They're far too busy swinging false allegations of "racial discrimination" in places like Sanford, Fla. and Fayette County, Ga. -- Why? BECAUSE IT IS FRONT PAGE NEWS!

Nothing you said excuses the NAACP from usurping their responsibility to the black community. They don't care anymore about the "ghetto" than the white man.

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Stop giving the Jesse Jackson's and the others front page coverage and seek out the workers in these organizations who are meeting with parents of gang members; law enforcement groups; church leaders; medical practitioners; school leaders in their respective communities - including legislators. Find out what these other 'leaders' are doing. Give two columns to the kids who receive the ACTSO Scholarships; how about some coverage for those kids who have found out the fruitlessness of gang life and are acting as mentors to the middle school crowd; - oh I know - they don't sell papers. . .this kind of oh-hum news. The NAACP has not usurped it's responsibility in most communities in the urban areas. . . . the mundane activity of working with communities to find work, save lives, encourage academic achievement - just isn't newsworthy. By the way - there are many white citizens who are working in the urban hospitals, schools, etc. helping the minority communities and the majority communities in urban areas that need help. Many very famous people help with no fanfare because they see the need and don't need the publicity. Some of the local news stations here in the Atlanta are focusing on the positive activities of local citizens. The Fayette Woman is another publication that celebrates the positive contributions made by local citizens. I don't know much about the local NAACP - but I have seen some articles about positive contributions that local citizens have made to the local community. Jesse and Al are not the only people in the NAACP. Your disgust for them may be warranted - but don't denigrate the work of others because you are not aware of the work of others in the NAACP and other organizations that are dealing with the problem of dead black men in the black community.

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I don't know about you, but I refuse to be lectured anymore by the resident race whore.

The only time you hear a peep from the NAACP is when they are out pimping false accusations of racism. If they want to get a positive message out, they can. It's just that there's more money to be made in shaking down the man.

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Pastor Dollar - Is

a parent and human. If his daughter chooses to forgive him so should we.

The NAACP has every right to question this as a broader social issue and this incident specifically.

The moment we let the government into our homes is the moment we give up our freedom to act as individuals, to raise our children, to discipline our children or even to argue with our spouse. I can remember as a child seeing other children spanked in stores, nothing was said or done about it. The question is are we better off as a society letting the state manage our actions? Are children better off knowing that they cannot effectively be physically disciplined? The results speak for themselves.

As a Christian and counselor, if the facts are correct, Pastor Dollar failed. Yes, Pastor Dollar is human and a parent.

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Point of no return

We have gone beyond the "point of no return". like it or not there are not enough folks willing or smart enough to push back against a government managing almost every aspect of our lives.

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PTC-O, Dollar & the FCSD

I'm sure the FCSD would just as soon NOT have gotten that 911 call, but once it's done-no way to put that toothpaste back in the tube!

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FCSD

Because of the celebrity of the suspect, I feel the FCSD probably took great care to make sure they were following legal procedure. The NAACP is not accusing them of malpractice - just stating publicly that they will monitor the case. They, the NAACP, are involved in cases where proper law enforcement procedure was not followed. The call was taken, the witness reports were given, the perpetrator was arrested. I don't think the FCSD has anything to worry about. Guilt or innocence is not decided by the law enforcement agency. That will be up to the court.

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Essentially echoing the statements of the local branch, the press release noted that Georgia State Conference NAACP President Edward O. DuBose is seeking factual information on how Pastor Dollar was handled and wants to make sure there is not a rush to judgment or a pattern of behavior by Fayette County officials towards a particular segment of its citizens.The Georgia State Conference NAACP along with the Fayette County Branch are pressing for a thorough investigation to make sure sound judgment is exercised and proper procedures are followed by the sheriff’s office in making an arrest in this or any similar cases, the press release said.

Sound like some citizens here have a belief that not all citizens of Fayette County have been treated equally. Sanford ,Florida is another small town where law enforcement practices were/are questioned. I sincerely believe our Sheriff Department in this case has nothing to worry about. I would be disgusted if an arrest was not made - The current law is there to protect children from child abuse. Some children do misuse the 911 call - and some parents are abusive. In parent education meetings, the law enforcement officers in Los Angeles made it quite clear if parents chose to use corporal punishment - they were informed of the correct way to administer it without being accused of being abusive.
Students were also informed of the difference between parental right to discipline and abuse. There have been students in Georgia who have been removed from the home and placed in foster care because of abusive discipline by parents.

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AHG - totally

Agree with you on that point.

This fact is not lost on a number of kids, therefore my point about once you let the state enter your home it's theirs.

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I have to call BS on your comment. The daughter called the police and told them that he hit her and choked her. Her story was corroborated by her sister.

The Sheriffs department had every reason to arrest him based on the evidence and their comments.

The NAACP has no right to question their actions. There are already laws and procedures in place to take care of that if they acted inappropriately.

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That's what we think happened based on the reports filed. The NAACP is following the procedures you mention. It shouldn't be a problem if everything reported happen the way it was reported by authorities.

Police are accountable too and I think they want to be as professionals.

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My dear Fayette County Citizens

The NAACP will intervene into what ever they want to because of one thing. WE LET THEM! We might sit back and gripe about it behind closed doors but when it come's to "us" standing up (as they do) we fail. Face it PEOPLE, we have no back bone anymore. They do what they do BECAUSE THEY CAN!

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Please define "us"

I am a citizen of Fayette county and do not have an issue with the NAACP inquiring.

I am alarmed at the tone of your comments. Please know that not all of "us" are wrapped around the axle on this. There is no need to form a group united by a common interest or common characteristics. Many of us are pretty happy with the way democracy functions and encourage all groups to participate in discussions about policy and law. The backbone of democracy depends on it.

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jpopeye - democracy

"The backbone of democracy depends on it."

The backbone of democracy is a steel rod over the backs of the minority.

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Except in America, PTCO...

...where the minority often overrides the majority (homosexuals & affirmative action come to mind...).

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kchiefandy - Exceptions

Well no, not exactly, you see in a democracy the majority is the majority that votes, votes in the USA are purchased by special interests. Special interests exist because government has accumulated wealth for redistribution. Affirmative action is simply a symptom of this practice.

As to individual social choices they are protected under our founding documents. Let me ask you a question to illustrate the error in your thinking, what happens when Muslims become the majority in America and they vote via majority rule to restrict the teachings of the Catholic church? Think it can't happen? You had better look up demographic trends.

The only answer to this conundrum is to get government out of our lives, let us make individual choices as long as we don't infringe the rights of others.

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as long as we don't infringe the rights of others.

From the tone of some here - this is where they might not agree with you. As to your example (Muslims/Catholic Church) I think our Constitution already handles this. There are three + generations ( grandparent, parent, children) of Muslims living in America today. These families are American. Some of these families claim over 5 generations of American citizenship. Their faith is Muslim. The vast majority are not radicals who would infringe on the rights of others. The majority of Christians in our country do not infringe on the rights of those of the Jewish faith, Hindu's on the rights of the Buddhist faith, etc. Just because we 'vote' for a law - if it does not meet the Supreme Court's ruling of legality - it does not stand.

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Some truths, PTCO...

...as the voting majority is - as to laws & elections - the only majority that counts, either individually or congressionally. Very true that special interests pretty much own congress, but many of those are made up of the voting public (some not, of course), but individually I believe not so. As to the 'Muslim' example, laws are being drafted in some states (and hopefully Federally) to deny the application of ANY other law than those of the state & Federal gov't (no Sharia or any other outside of our US system[s]). The 1st Amendment protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference; it doesn't protect the right to adhere - legally - to a parallel legal system.

I see this as government ENSURING we don't infringe on each other's rights, as it has several times in our history - it limits the 'steel rod' use on the back of your minority(ies).

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it doesn't protect the right to adhere - legally - to a parallel legal system.

This is very interesting. . . and I hope it's handled at the federal level.

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The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws in the United States enacted between 1876 and 1965

I hope our justice department is using its expertise to prevent any law that would contradict the Constitution - and infringe on the rights of all Americans.

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...yes, that's my point; religious laws (in the societal sense), et al, and foreign powers/laws have no business here in America. If they want to follow such, 'they' (i.e. the 'believers' in those systems) can move back to where they are the legal, dominant, or the approved system of civilization.

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We have a Constitution

that we are supposed to follow.

It's not perfect, but it is better than a Democracy.

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Thank goodness we are NOT a Democracy..

Like you said, two lions and an antelope voting on what's for dinner.

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There is no need to form a group united by a common interest or common characteristics.

Isn't that what the NAACP is? Why would you say that we should not form a group? Are you trying to tell us not to excercise our civil rights?

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our civil rights?

What civil right has been denied to citizens of these United States by the giving of 'civil rights' to all American citizens?

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An answer for Davids Mom

I never implied that my civil rights were being denied. I merely asked if Popeye was suggesting that we not excercise our civil rights. Try reading before you spout off- you just might learn something.

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Are you trying to tell us not to excercise our civil rights?

Sorry Bear. What civil right is your 'group' exercising? It just appears that you have a problem with another 'group' in this country. It might make it clearer if you answer the question about the rights you want your group to exercise - and why you have a problem with the other 'group' exercising their civil rights. Thanks.

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I belong to the group of American citizens. Some American citizens feel it necessary to segregate themselves from the rest of Americans based on the color of their skin and then demand special rights. Sad. Go peddle your race whore wares somewhere else.

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Rev Al be here soon..

Next thing you know Al Sharpton-race baiter, will be flying down on his private jet to march in front of Fayette County city hall.

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I expect nothing less from this band of Clowns..

I suppose they think Fayette County needs their help. Well, here's a hint, we don't.

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NAACP - what about the kid?

Dear NAACP...did you not have any concern for the child to ensure that the police did all the right things to make sure she is safe? I am sick to d*mn death of no one ever standing up for the kids when it comes to these "popular" people. You disgust me.

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Is it OK for men to beat up women?

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? Because it's a "famous" evangelist sleaze like Creflo, it's OK to choke a 19 yr old and throw her to the ground under the guise of "discipline?" Really?

I was always taught that males don't beat up on females. I don't remember a caveat about how it's OK if it's your 19 year old daughter who might have "disrespected" you. I was also taught to never trust preachers who are all about self-enrichment and exploiting the gullible in the name of the Holy Love of God and Money.

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NUK- People have confused their values!

I hear ya NUK. How about Micheal Jackson? He was a pedophile. Yet because he was a good singer some people see him as a hero. I attended a Christmas service last year that included a tribute to him. In church no less.

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The Georgia State Conference NAACP along with the Fayette County Branch are pressing for a thorough investigation to make sure sound judgment is exercised and proper procedures are followed by the sheriff’s office in making an arrest in this or any similar cases, the press release said.

The Fayette Sheriff's dept should tell the NAACP to go pound sand. Who do these NAACP folks think they are, the Gestappo? Interesting how they only stick their nose in when it is a high-profile black person involved. It is just a matter of time before the NAACP refers to the incident as 'racist'. It's their modus operandi.

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NAACP: Fayette County Gestappo

That's a perfect analogy Joe and highflyer2 is right. If we let them keep sticking their nose where it doesn't belong then they will try to ride roughshod over Fayette county in all matters; basically becoming the Fayette County Gestappo.

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Go Away NAACP

I agree, this has nothing to do with the NAACP!! While the organization has many good purposes, they make themselves look stupid getting involved in this situation as it has absolutely nothing to do with race! This has to do with the children of today becoming more and more out of control and the way our laws are written when it comes to family disturbances, no matter what ethnicity background is of the family. Parents today are at times fearful to discipline their children because of situations like this. The teenage years are very trying to say the least! I feel Pastor Dollar did the right thing. His daughter should be ashamed of herself!

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Well, Smiles...

...the NAACP reps TRIED to hide their true agenda in double-talk; they say - between the lines - that they want proof that Mr. Dollar wasn't being picked on because he is black, and financially successful. They have little reason to exist anymore outside of these type of instances, so they HAVE to stick their noses where & when they don't belong.

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