The thing about Brown: He’s most often right

Who is Steve Brown, former Peachtree City mayor and current Post 4 candidate for county commissioner? Some people attempt to cast him as a villain, while others laud his stand on contentious issues, Let’s explore two of them.

If it’s easy to find stories about Steve Brown (which it is), it’s even easier to find newspaper articles by Steve. And while you may not agree with all his positions, even his greatest detractors would have to concede that he thoroughly researches his subjects, which is particularly refreshing in an era of politicians who don’t even read measures they vote for.

Two past projects seem to have generated the most debate: the extension of TDK Boulevard from Peachtree City to Coweta County, and the Peachtree City Development Authority’s operation of the Tennis Center.

Time has proven Brown right on both of his very public crusades for citizens he represented. If you are an average homeowner wanting to preserve our great quality of life, Brown has been one of your greatest defenders.

TDK Boulevard — On Feb 7, 2003, then-Mayor Steve Brown signed the TDK Boulevard Extension Agreement with the Fayette County Commission, agreeing to extend that road “to promote adequate and safe means of transportation” and committing the city to a $200,000 contribution.

While the city could regulate growth along the road within its limits, it had no control over the Coweta County length of the road that abutted the city. Developers quickly saw opportunities to heavily build along the Coweta portion of the road, and Coweta offered no zoning assurances to protect Peachtree City from adjacent overdevelopment.

As a result of those plans, Steve said in a March 2004 letter to the editor, “The creation of the TDK Extension is purely for developmental purposes, not traffic relief,” and in November he called the developer special interest claims of the extension being “a bypass which would reduce traffic on Highway 54” the “relief valve myth.” The Citizen reported the following month that Brown was “vehemently opposed” to moving forward with the TDK Extension.

The Newnan Times-Herald editorial board, in a December 2004 issue, compared Brown to Alabama Governor George Wallace standing in the doorway blocking integration while saying he was the “lone holdout in the new road talks.”

Former mayors of Peachtree City and the leadership of the Chamber of Commerce all lambasted Brown for taking a stand against the TDK Extension. By October of 2005, Brown’s predecessor, a very frustrated Bob Lenox, said that everyone from Congressman Lynn Westmoreland down to every local councilperson knew Brown “personally stonewalled this [TDK] project.”

Lenox continued, “It is not often in government that you can clearly find the culprit when things go wrong, but in this case every one of us who has worked for years to make TDK Boulevard a reality knows that Steve Brown stopped it.”

Harold Logsdon campaigned in favor of the TDK Extension and displaced Brown as mayor in 2004. Soon, however, after massive development plans were filed in Coweta, groups like the Peachtree City Civic Association joined in the movement to kill the expansion, and by June of 2007, the road project was officially dead and Fayette County returned the $200,000 to the city.

In the January 2008 PTC Update newsletter, Mayor Harold Logsdon, an enthusiastic supporter of the extension said, “Two years ago I campaigned on the need for TDK.” He continued, “Well, the situation changed with the proposed massive development on our border, so I changed my position. Completing TDK is not in the best interest of PTC and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.”

Had Brown not had the courage to take a stand with everyone railing against him, we would have the TDK Extension, a massive development next to us, and traffic jams worse than any we can imagine. Steve Brown had taken a whole lot of heat, but it turns out that the lone holdout was right.

Tennis Center — The other issue that special interests target Brown for is the tennis center and development authority scandal. Like the TDK issue, Brown took a stand against what he thought was wrong and was not in the best interest of PTC: loose (and sometimes non-existent) accounting records, failure to record meeting minutes and borrowing funds without public votes.

Following Brown’s efforts, The Citizen editor Cal Beverly said in an in-depth November 2005 public blog that “Those community leaders ran the old DAPC out of their back pockets. They kept precious few records, despite being required to by state law. Several of them served on the board of directors of either a lending bank or a bidding contractor.”

Beverly condemned the DAPC’s performance saying, “If they had performed the same way on their day jobs, they would have been justifiably terminated.” He concluded, “There is no recorded vote on more than a million dollars in loans to the DAPC. There’s no paperwork financial trail to determine where that money went. How can any reasonable person praise this old board?”

Many of the people who defended the DAPC were mortified to learn that three of the DAPC members were on the board of directors of the bank issuing under-the-table high interest, short-term loans to the DAPC.

A September 2005 article appearing in The Citizen entitled, “Mayor slams DAPC board members’ bank ties,” DAPC member and bank board member Doug Warner admitted he should not have voted on the loans due to a conflict of interest. “If that’s evil, then I’m sorry. Take me to task for it,” Warner said.

The DAPC members resigned in shame. Steve Brown, the lone holdout, was proven right again.

I’d add one footnote. Being a senior leader on the people’s side of high profile issues distinguishes a public servant from a politician. That’s why I’m voting for Steve Brown for Fayette County commissioner, Post 4.

Robert Ross

Peachtree City, Ga.

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But Mr. Thompson - What about?

What about the claims of Mr. Brown above, that he helped set the "stage", so to speak, for Pinewood?

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Question Mr. Brown

You based your last campaign on the stopping construction of the WFB, slow growth, and preserving the rural character of the county. Your campaign even had a photo that appeared to be taken from Hwy 54 west of the hospital.

Now you claim that you had conversations with FCDA and Fayetteville about changing the land planning in and around the very site you wanted to preserve prior to Matts famous helicopter ride with Pinewood officials.

This sure makes me feel that you promise one thing (preserve the rural character) and do another (change the land use plan).

I'm trying to understand this better and wonder if you can provide the approximate time frame of your meeting with FCDA and than Fayetteville?

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interesting question...

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Mr. Brown - thanks for

Thanks for this insight, it certainly answers the question concerning your involvement in this very important project.

Sorry if you misinterpreted my earlier questions surrounding this issue.

I vote today.

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Jim Richter - a question...

Did Steve Brown come up with the site for Pinewood Studios? Acknowledging a contribution is different from saying he came up with the site for Pinewood.

I draw your attention to the comments from Mr. Brown himself, last Tuesday on this very blog, when asked about his "key role" in bringing Pinewood.

You can ask the Pinewood people themselves. That is probably the best way.

Refocusing on their particular site. They were only going to be shown Peachtree City near the airport. Purchasing the Rivers Elementary School.
Working very closely with the developers on the project, even before there was a "Pinewood" involved.

Mr. Richter - what does "refocusing on their particular site" mean to you? What does "even before there was a Pinewood involved" mean? Is the story where Matt Forshee thought of the central tract "on the fly" not consistent with the statement Steve Brown makes here?

Massively expediting the construction phase. Building a collaborative effort with the City Fayetteville, the likest of which had never been seen before. Pulling some things through higher government channels.

Hope that helps. Thanks.

Mr. Richter, do you know what were the "higher government channels" where things needed to be pulled through?

Also, one last question - did Steve Brown UNILATERALLY do any of these things, or did he also have the rest of the commission?

I guess the agenda I want to attempt to uncover here, yet again, is that it isn't Steve Brown alone that does these things, and yet Steve Brown appears to take sole credit for these things, which is where my "character" problems are.

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PTC observer - It is about character Ginga1414

I was at a large meeting of about 60 people last year at Whitewater Creek when Mr. Jim Pace, Construction Manager for Pinewood Studios, acknowledged the work Steve Brown and Mayor Greg Clifton did in getting Pinewood Studios to locate in Fayette County.

You can easily confirm this by calling Mr. Pace.

Jim Richter
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Yea, I'm real sure that's what happened.

Some of us have already made that call.

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americanpatriots

PTC Observer doesn't really care. He's trying to distract you from remembering that his guy Harold Logsdon had to admit Steve Brown was right on TDK and that Logsdon's lack of effort on the city budgets were a huge train wreck.

Just read the article above.

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Thanks Mr. Richter

That's what I wanted to hear, were the other members of the team present at the gathering?

I don't understand why Mr. Brown or his team mates are so reluctant to step forward, but at least you shed some light on this question.

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PTC Observer, Perhaps

Mr. Brown is busy with County business.

Perhaps the other members of the team are doing the same.

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The thing about Steve Brown; he is most often right.

Steve Brown has built mainly positive relationship with the reagional government agency and the GA. Department of Transportation over the past 10 years. Steve is currently the only elected official in Fayette County who meets all the certificatition criteria for both the Georgia Municipal Association and the Association of County Commissioners of Georgia and also has certification in economic development? Just proves to our citizens that Steve Brown is serious about his service to the local community of Peachtree City and Fayette County as a whole.

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The topic of several posts has been that Steve Brown doesn't reply to questions from the posters.

However, I have read many answers here by Steve Brown.

What puzzles me is the fact that Mr. Logsdon's supporters claim that it is unprofessional or undignified for a candidate to address issues here. It is quite obvious that Mr. Logsdon supports Jack Smith's "quiet government."

We have been continually bombarded with "Paid Political Advertisements" here from Mr. Logsdon. But, he has not seen fit to backup his supporters.

Logsdon supporters, encourage your candidate to backup your comments. It looks like he thinks he is better than you are.

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True Steve Brown story

Several years ago as I was driving on Redwine Rd., a gust of wind blew a huge pine tree down. By the Grace of God I seen it falling, and was able to slam on my brakes. The front of my car was crushed but I was unhurt. Several weeks ago, right after our severe weather, one of my neighbors called me very upset. He told me a 70 foot pine had blown over, and was being held up by only a few branches from other trees. He said when the tree falls it was going to fall across Redwine Rd. and kill someone. He had called the police department, and was told there was nothing they could do. He called me to see if I knew of someone who could take care of the problem. I made a few calls but could not get in touch with anyone who could help. Then I thought of Brown, looked on line found his phone number and called him. Even though he was in his car on his way to Atlanta, Steve Brown told me to have my neighbor call him right away with the details, and he would take care of it. The dangerous tree was removed, who knows his actions may have saved the life of someone you love. That is what I meant by availability.

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The more things change...

I'm glad you were able to call an elected official to get something done. Remember, safe driving means not being on the phone.

Now, does any of this sound familiar?

http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-020213/opinion/ltr-03.html

Wednesday, February 13, 2002

Controversy in PTC: Will the real Mayor Steve Brown please stand up?

First, let me say that I will be driving the car with the bumper sticker saying, "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Steve Brown." With that said, I must say that I am sorry to see that the reasons I didn't vote for Brown are coming to fruition.

I didn't vote for Brown because I feared he had an agenda that would not be in the best interest of Peachtree City. That his "vision" statement was nothing more than political rhetoric designed to play on the "antiestablishment" bias of most voters.

Mayor Brown promised "ethics," "honesty," "open" and "responsive" government. He seems to have a problem with his own "vision" statement. I will admit that he has let the public speak on the issues. For that he needs to be praised. However, what good is it if he operates under the "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts" mentality?

When the building moratorium was presented, it was suggested that it may be illegal. Instead of studying the "facts," Mayor Brown and the City Council passed it anyway (albeit with some language change) and sure enough, it is being challenged in court.

Mayor Brown's reasoning for the moratorium is that we need to stop all development to take our time and "review" the ordinances to make changes. Some opposition quite rightly wondered whether or not any particular problem drove this "need for change" or was it simply a matter that Mayor Brown's complete opposition to any development was the driving force to try to find needed changes?

Certainly the idea Mayor Brown put forward, that taking time to make a complete and thorough review, is commendable. However one must certainly question if this is a legitimate reason to stop all building and open the city to legal action at a time when even Mayor Brown is somewhat concerned about finances.

Now Mayor Brown proposes the Sports and Entertainment Authority. The most concerning aspect (other than creating another layer of government to fund) is the proposal to move the amphitheater and tennis center from the Development Authority to the new Sports and Entertainment Authority. Maybe this is a good idea. However, no one attending the meeting thought so, except Mayor Brown and Councilman Weed.

The problem I have is, why doesn't the mayor approach the major change in city organization with the same desire stated when justifying the building moratorium? Doesn't such a major change deserve a well-thought-out plan? Shouldn't all interested parties be included in the research and discussion? And what is the benefit to the community with such a change? How will this new Authority be funded, and how will the Development Authority continue to be funded?

Mayor Brown stated in the article in The Citizen Feb. 6 that it would allow the Sports and Entertainment Authority to "steer more hotel/motel tax money for other projects in the future." But what about the amphitheater and tennis center? My guess is this would mean substantial cuts in programming or substantial increases in ticket costs and fees.

I do not play tennis but do attend concerts. We already pay a substantial amount for the tickets and certainly enjoy the concerts. Since both venues operate at a small loss, how could their budgeted money be "steered" to other "projects" without a substantial degrading of these two popular venues? And why, in the spirit of his promise to listen to the people, did Mayor Brown and Councilman Weed vote to continue with this proposal when, after nearly three hours of public input, it appears that 100 percent of Peachtree City seems to oppose it?

Bottom line to my concerns are why weren't these questions researched prior to any proposal? Could there be a "hidden agenda" in this proposal?

At the City Council meeting Councilwoman McMenamin stated that she felt Mayor Brown had a strong bias against the Development Authority. This was because of a seven-page letter he showed her in the past blasting the Development Authority. Mayor Brown stated strongly that the letter contained "only one fact" and the rest was "personal opinion." The fact dealt with missing meeting minutes. Mayor Brown stated that since they were turned in, the letter no longer applied.

Is Mayor Brown to have us believe that seven pages of "personal opinions" dealt strictly with some missing minutes? It would appear he simply made Councilwoman McMenamin's point and may have a disdain for the Development Authority after all. Could this be part of the "agenda"?

Mayor Brown has always been against development. That has been clearly stated in his letters to the editor, and during his campaign. And it is certainly a factor in the Building Moratorium. But then he inexplicably rushes to push through a major change in city organization without any thought, discussion, or planning. And what was his stated reason? To have the Development Authority concentrate solely on bringing in new economic development by attracting new industry! Not that attracting new industry is a bad idea, but does anyone else see the irony here?

So, who is the real Mayor Brown, the "anti-development, stop all building" Steve Brown, or the "free the Development Authority to attract new industrial development" Steve Brown? Is it the "slow deliberate study the issues with a building moratorium" Steve Brown, or the "we must rush to make major changes in our city structure with a new authority" Steve Brown?

Is it the "listen to the people" Mayor Brown, or the "don't confuse me, I've made up my mind" Steve Brown? Or is it simply the "I haven't yet revealed my true agenda" Steve Brown?

For the sake of the city, will the "real Steve Brown" please stand up.

Jim Stinson

Peachtree City

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Little known facts about Steve Brown

The new BOC is constantly looking out for the protection of our children.
http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/10-30-2013/county-opposes-facebook-pr...

In addition and ever mindful of the fact that our children and young people are our future, Steve Brown works with children and young people on a regular basis.

He started a new high school internship program.

Even though he doesn't have sons, Commissioner Brown has assisted several Scouts with their Eagle Scout projects.

And, for many years he has coached Science Teams during National Science Olympiad competitions.

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Character matters Ginga1414

I am sure that he has done all these things and many more; however, he does not answer questions that are direct and to the point. At least he hasn't answered my question concerning his claims on Pinewood.

I will be early voting before Friday, I hope I can get an answer before then as I am open to voting for Mr. Brown if he simply answers my question or has a member of the Pinewood team stand up for his claims.

Neither candidate is perfect, but character does matter to this voter, I hope it does to others as well. There is little worse than someone taking credit for another person's work, would you respect someone that did this? Would you consider such a person as trustworthy? That's why I consider this point so important.

It's a simple question that deserves a simple answer, not name calling. We're all adults, I think.

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Get the facts on Georgia Trend Magazine

Fayette County is a leader in economic development thanks to the hard work of people like Steve Brown.

Here's the link:
http://www.georgiatrend.com/April-2014/South-Metro-Atlanta-Staying-Power/

You don't find articles like this about Harold Logsdon, for sure.

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Duh

The magazine just interviews him about Pinewood Studios and put his photo on the front next to the Pinewood Studios sign because he had nothing to do with it???

You guys just can't stand to see Steve Brown do well!!! It's like little kindergartners fighting over the glue.

You have to nitpick at Brown's successes because your guy Logsdon has nothing worth pointing out. I just love how the mean Logsdon bloggers have nothing good to say about their guy. It's that bad!!!

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Give the glue back to Johnny!!!

But don't worry old spyglass because we can always talk about things that are easier to verify like his business partnership your Logsdon had with the city manager and his taking the rich goodies from the company that got the tax breaks. His all around poor judgement.

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Ok, standing by the sign is great

Good stuff, did you even read the article or just look at the picture?

Add to that you didn't answer my question, and you replied in the wrong spot like you always do....

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That mentions NOTHING about SB's involvement..

It does tell me we might miss Matt Forshee...

Brown has always ran anti developer, why the sudden love affair on your part?

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Little known facts?

Wow...I was hoping for something a little more substantial like boxers or briefs.

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Steve Brown communication

And during the ice storm last winter Commissioner Brown used Facebook to communicate important numbers and updates during the rolling power outages including shelter locations if needed. Super helpful to have those numbers and updates when my power was out, life threatening cold weather and an infant at home.
No matter what your politics are you have to agree that when the city and county leadership steps up to the plate during abnormal events is a great thing.

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That's nice

If your on FB and his friend. Keeping someone at the county office answering phones and updating the website is emergency management. (They may have done this, IDK) Not saying what he did isn't worthy of a thank you though. I doubt anyone else on the ballot would do it. They would be warming up on a cheap scotch and taking a nap.

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Uh oh, What happened?

I was extremely careful this time. I specifically placed my comment between two comments asking for Steve Brown to address a question.

What can I say? It seems the comment police have other ideas.

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you mean posting Nazi's

Even their native language leaks out from time to time.

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Steve Brown is an effective leader for Fayette County

The 3 candidates for District 3 commissioner in Peachtree City are all 3 former mayors. Other than being mayor of Peachtree City for one term each, what can two of the 3 candidates show for themselves either before or after their terms? Steve Brown has continued many tireless efforts to help improve the quality of life in Peachtree City and dived into the questionable governance found in the Fayette County Board of Commissioners going on immediately prior to 2010. Steve has not been a "wall flower" his 1st two years on the Board and has brought forth light in an otherwise sad governing situation. Steve deserves another 4 year term on the Board of Commissioners to continue our pursuit of excellence and transparent and open limited government FOR ALL FAYETTE COUNTY CITIZENS!

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Can anyone explain this to me???

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/01-08-2014/power-struggle-%E2%80%93-o...

Oddo’s letter to Brown is reproduced in its entirety below:

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From: Charles Oddo

Sent: Sun 12/1/2013 7:49 PM

To: Steve Brown

Subject: Follow up to 11/25/13 meeting

12/1/2013

Good Evening Steve,

I want to thank you for taking the time to listen to my concerns when we met this past Monday, 11/25, as well as the previous discussions we’ve had about the same subject. I also want to thank you for doing the job you’ve done over the past year. I don’t take lightly the tremendous effort you’ve put forth.

Truthfully, I’d rather not be in the position that I now find myself. You and I have had some discussions over the months and have agreed to disagree as you put it. I know you understand my feelings, and trust you also understand my opinions don’t deter from the appreciation I have for you and the work you’ve done.

Steve, I have to balance my decisions against what is in the best interests of the County. The County needs a Chairman who is strong, but who also avoids controversy. The County needs a Chairman to be extra cautious of the ramifications of his statements and actions. Neither of these conditions rise to the level of requisite on your Chair-meter.

I’ve wrestled with whether or not to draw a line, and I’ve waited, hoping for change, but I believe by writing your letter to our nominee for the Development Authority, the time has come. You are capable of being Chairman, but you have a different approach that I don’t feel is always appropriate.

IT’S NOT SO MUCH WHAT YOU SAY AS HOW YOU SAY IT, AND NOT SO MUCH WHAT YOU DO AS HOW YOU DO IT.

You asked me to put in writing my concerns and what I would like to see change. Bear in mind, an inescapable duty of the chairman is to represent the Board of Commissioners and Fayette County as its figurehead. Everything you do or say reflects on the Commissioners and the County. We need positive representation at all times. So, with that in mind,

In order to receive my continued support, I must see the following critical changes:

1) Discontinue blogging and editorializing. There may be times editorials could be appropriate, but not without the professional courtesy of advising your fellow Board members and considering the objections they may have. It is unbecoming to see the Chairman in verbal fisticuffs with citizens and it is detrimental to our success as a Board.

2) Consult with your fellow commissioners before taking public positions or making public comments on policy, staff, or any other considerations that pertain to the County.

3) Become a team leader. Communication and teamwork are not part-time. You have not been entirely willing to commit yourself to teamwork in your role as chairman, and that must change.

4) Stop publicly referring negatively to individuals, whether or not by name and whether or not related to the county. That, also, is unbecoming of the chairman and his position, and reflects badly on the entire Board.

Steve, you must commit to these changes now. If you cannot, I’ll accept your decision and I will continue to support you as Commissioner, but I will not continue to support you as Chairman.

Considering you have already expressed such changes would be difficult at best, I believe it is appropriate that the other Commissioners have an option for Chairman, and I will offer myself as that option if they so choose.

The other Commissioners are not yet aware of my position. It’s only proper I share my thoughts with you first. But, I do plan on sharing a copy of this email with each Commissioner before I leave town Wednesday.

My goal is to have a Board of Commissioners, led by a Chairman, that work together on the same page.

My desire is that Steve Brown makes a decision in the best interests of the County.

Regardless of my feelings on the Chairmanship, I have appreciated your friendship over the months and expect our friendship to continue.

Regards,

Chuck

Charles W. Oddo

Vice Chairman

Fayette County Commissioner, Post 1

140 Stonewall Avenue West - Suite 100

Fayetteville, GA 30214

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I am convinced neither candidate is perfect...

I am voting for what I consider to be the much lessor of two evils. Who also happens to have much less baggage....lost elections etc...

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The thing about Steve Brown; he is most often right!

As Chairman of the Board of Commissioners, Steve Brown has worked tirelessly on the Interchange State Route 74 & I-85 project. Now, funding has been secured, the right of way funding moved forward with availability in next fiscal year 2015. A significant funding increase through the regional transportation plans to reflect the partial clover design that is desired. So now the design is funded, steps closer to reality. No longer in a "Long Range Plan"! All do to the tenacity of Steve Brown.

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Respect

Thank you Mr Morgan for the warm welcome you extended to me. I assure your I am a real individual. I am an individual who has appreciate the work of Steve Brown. Not only did he help provide open government in Fayette County, he has made himself available to his constitutes. Openness and availability and respect for the people he servers, for me and my family he is a keeper.

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This is just too easy..another comment in the wrong spot

Do you really think you have us duped? I hope you don't play poker, as this is a huge TELL.

How many votes do you have in the 3rd district? :)

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Brown tsunami dominates - supporters double overnight

Yes indeed, just in time for the election we welcome 2 new members, mere days old that are parroting the brownie line. Is that a fact and Jane Gallo are here to help bolster the ranks of Brown supporters. Real or multiple identity? You decide. Jane is especially transparent with the I-85/74 visionary, Pinewood, open meetings rhetoric. Johenry, either a county resident or Steve Brown's vicious side will continue to be the attack dog while the other 3 or 4 will keep pushing their version of reality.

I thought Cal was going to end the political ads disguised as editorial during the election. I guess it is ok here and Steve and his multiple personalities are the only one - the only one doing it.

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I have to agree that Steve Brown is mostly right, goes to the source, and researches all the facts before presenting it to the public. He is strong, accountable and will stand up for what is right. And, if he doesn't agree he states why, therefore we need a man of his strength in office and more like him.

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I have to agree that Steve Brown is mostly right, goes to the source, and researches all the facts before presenting it to the public. He is strong, accountable and will stand up for what is right. And, if he doesn't agree he states why, therefore we need a man of his strength in office and more like him.

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Give it a rest PTC Observer!!!

You're like a record with a skip in it. We get it! You hate Steve Brown! Give it a rest for crying out loud.

We get this wonderful opportunity in Pinewood and you have to drone on and on wanting a piece of paper with Steve Brown's name on it that officially makes him part of the team. Get a life how about it???

Go look at the Georgia Trend article with Matt Forshee and Steve Brown on it.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/April-2014/South-Metro-Atlanta-Staying-Power/

I got it from Brown's campaign web site!!! Why can't you go look there for yourself???

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A rest?

Nice article on south side development with a quote and picture of Mr. Brown but it's not what I am looking for, but to your point I won't be repetitive. Still waiting for an adult reply from anyone on this issue, including the candidate.

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is that a fact? - Mr. Brown and hearing crickets

Do you think he'll answer my question(s) on the other string?

Pinewood is one of the most important economic developments in not only Fayette County history but the Atlanta area, and Southeast Region. Mr. Brown's postings seem to suggest that he was an integral part of the team that brought this economic engine to our county. If this is true, then I haven't been able to find one link, post, testimony or anything on Mr. Brown's contributions to the team effort. As I see it, the team members should stand up for one of their own and support him. What can one believe if a candidate makes such claims and no one on the team stands up for him?

I am not saying that he wasn't a key part of this team, I am simply asking for support of the claim that Mr. Brown seems to be making.

Mr. Brown can do these things to answer the question:

1. Point us to the team member(s) that has written in support his assertion(s), narratives, etc.
2. Say that I am wrong about my interpretation concerning his contributions to this effort and he played only a minor part in it.
3. Point us to a link that supports his claims. Please not the Home Depot guy that was happy to get business after the fact.

Mr. Brown has many accomplishments during his tenure, and I would like to vote FOR him and his record, however this one question should be answered and clarified. Either he is claiming something that he did or he is taking credit for other people work. I would like to know which one because it focuses on the man's character. The best and most effective way to do this, is to get one or more of the team members to stand up and say he was an key team member and how he contributed. I don't think this is too much to ask, even though apparently Mr. Brown thinks it is and I am "mean" for asking. Character is important, the most important trait we should look for any elected representative, I would hope Mr. Brown also believes this because it is his character that is the issue here.

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PTCO and Pinewood

I think you're placing too large a title on Pinewood. There are studios completed, being constructed, and in design. Paulding county has two new studios and Tyler Perry is designing a bigger one out that way. Covington (The Hollywood of the South) has 3 studios and another larger one on the way. Gwinnett County has the developer who built Atlantic Station who is completing design for the largest studio in the southeast.

Pinewood is big, for Fayette County, but will be in competition with other counties who also have good things to market to producers.

We can count our blessings and hope that the demand exceeds the growing supply.

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H&F - maybe I am

But it doesn't change my questions concerning Mr. brown's involvement in it.

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Steve Brown is most often right

And I think this would be an appropriate time to bring this article back.

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A broken clock is right twice a day

Just saying... :)

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Why the name calling?

NUK,
Why can't we please stop the name calling. We are all adults and can give our opinions without the name calling. I respect your view point and can disagree with it all at the same time. When you use name calling to try to make a point it only detracts from it.

And again, I am well aware of all the issues that you bring up, but only tell a bullet points of the story. I am sure you are aware of the full story but only choose to tell a small portion to make people think Steve Brown is a bad guy. I get it, you don't like him.
Josh

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A few malcontents

It does seem that we have four or five residents in this county who are a little obsessed with attacking Steve Brown. We moved to Fayette County from Clayton County in 1994. The changes in our County government these last few years have been refreshing.
Our new Board of Commissioners, with Steve Brown as chairman, has managed to end deficit spending and balance the budget. If that were Steve Brown's only accomplishment, he would deserve reelection. When you combine it with all of the other accomplishments such as stopping the West Fayette Bypass, the Pinewood Studio project and the coming improvements of the GA Highway 74 and the I-85 interchange, he not only deserves reelection but our thanks.
Brown and the new Board of Commissioners promised open and transparent government, not only did they give us that, but everyone is treated with respect at the county meetings, I remember when that wasn't true.

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Jane Gallo - Pinewood

Can you expand on Mr. Brown's involvement in the Pinewood development? What exactly did he do to get this important deal done? Do you have any links to your sources? Thanks.

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Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer PTC O

What astounds me is how Brown and his imaginary army of supporters - especially his campaign manager, if he even has one, can peddle this crap about his involvement in Pinewood. Pace, Foley, Hayes and Forshee all have remained publicly silent about Brown or any politician's involvement or non-involvement. The Brownies seem to think that their public silence means they (or others) have said nothing whatsoever to anyone at all - privately about the Brown and Haddix freezeout that was so crucial to this deal. I guess it is just that old play out of the Dem game plan, the big lie. Just keep repeating it and it will eventually be thought of as the truth.

I mean he runs an ad in The Citizen taking credit for Pinewood 2 weeks after he and Rapson scream in the headlines of the same paper that they were not told about the tax break. Am I the only one who sees this as incredible? Or not credible?

Don't wait for an answer from Jane. She supposedly moved here 20 years ago and just joined this forum last week - right before the election. Compare her style of writing and phraseology to the other 3 brown supporters and see what you think.

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Nuk about to get struck by lightening bolt!!!

For nuk to call someone "nasty" is the pot calling the kettle black.

Nuk doesn't mind the dirty side of politics like his buddy setting up a for-profit business with the City Manager while he was mayor. He doesn't mind Logsdon's gift of an all-expense paid trip to Asia funded by a company that received significant financial and tax incentives.

Even Mike King said Logsdon couldn't make the necessary budget corrections to protect the city in four years. And then there's that foolish lawsuit Logsdon filed at taxpayer expense for a comment Mayor Haddix made in an email to an employee.

This is what nuk calls model political behavior. There's a reason nuk won't talk about Brown's actions in the county government. It's because there is nothing to complain about!!!

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Stop whining, Josh

You didn't address a single issue in what I said like these:

District Voting and how Brown was so much in favor
TDK flip-flop three times
Westide Annexation flip-flop twice
Brown's own conduct and two ethic violations he was found guilty of
Brown's nasty campaigning and smears and outright lies against anyone opposing "his" slate of candidates in FC. Hey, he was a huge David Barlow fan which ought to tell you something. Then again, I think you are also a Don Haddix fan yourself. LOL.

You don't like coming by here and seeing "so much hate?" That's BS. You only cast the stones at those opposed to your candidate and not his supporters, most of whom don't even live in District 3 to begin with or had to suffer through the sheer incompetence of his Mayoral tenure in PTC, and are about as "nasty" as it gets. Redundant would be the ideal word because they just puke-up the same talking points that are extremely vague and try to get around Brown's actual positions...on ANYTHING.

Get your big boy pants on or don't bother wading in here because the water is as deep as the BS that comes out of people like Brown and Haddix that you think do something resembling a good job with a shred of professionalism.

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Hutch

I was wondering where you went off to???

Look you guys are internet trolls (definition: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

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Couple points here Josh

I read NUK's post, I don't see any name calling in it, and I notice your outrage doesn't extend to people on your team, like johenry, who while calling everyone names like troll, does everything in his/her power to act like one. When you go on about the half truths, in this election and the last one both, I noticed you had no problem with the lies, half-truths and innuendo that Brown was spewing about the candidates that opposed his slate of candidates in the last election, and you and the rest of his followers were repeating over and over. Now what is that word that applies to people who say "do as I say, not as I do"....hypo...er hyper...er, well I'm sure you know, don't you Josh?

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The word you seek

That word is POLITICIAN.

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Get a grip Josh - you too, pips and johenry

I know you think you are helping your candidate by spewing all this nonsense and i'm sure he himself is driving this, but you need to realize that people like mrobinson, Nuk1, Morgan, PTC O and spyglass are going to respond harder and harder each time, I may as well, but I'm nothing compared to some of them. They will never forget how Brown set our city back by playing his petty little games. He has not matured, he has only become more political. You keep up the sly innuendo and avoid hard cold facts, those people will bring it back to you. Keep it up long enough, you'll hear from birdman again.

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It is an appropriate time to bring that artticle back.....

...especially with the lies of omission all over the place.

District voting? Do I really need to yet again post a link where Brown advocates for it very highly and calls all opposed a bunch of backwoods bigots and now will get his butt kicked by it?

You left out the whole TDK episode with Brown being totally against, then totally for, then against. Well done trying to smooth that over entirely.

How about the illegal moratorium and Westside Annexation? You surely couldn't have forgotten while there was an illegal moratorium in place that Brown was trying to deal with Weiland anyway? Oh, don't forget he's also did the Brown/TDK flip-flop on this issue too.

Trashing anyone and everyone opposed to some of his views? Yeah, that's missing also. He spent 2 years trying to have a fight with his predecessor Bob Lenox than trying to govern anything and was a total failure.

How about those wonderful ethics charges he's been nailed on twice? That's your boy right there!

Great job on the 850K bridge to nowhere too.

Hey....he's part of a commission that is semi-transparent at best but that makes them better than the other folks who wouldn't let a bunch of dimwits stand up and repeat what someone else said a minute ago repeat it again and again and waste anyone's time that has an IQ above a Dorito.

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I like you Josh Bloom!!! You stand up to nastiest ones.

The one point to remember in that letter above is that Harold Logsdon ran on the TDK deal and said Steve Brown was trying to harm the city. And look what happened that old Steve Brown was right!!!

mrobinson's candidate was lying and got his hands caught in the cookie jar and had to admit he was wrong. mrobinson can take a lesson from that!!!

I keep thinking what's in it for mrobinson???

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Sure enough jo jo, Steve Brown was right

It is actually easy to be right when your change your mind and position at least 3 times on an issue. Bound to be right once in a while. Doncha think?

Keep it up A** **le you will get much more than you can give. And keep in mind, I e-mail your nonsense and my responses to my list - over 1000 residents and voters. Keep it up jojo/steve/pips/fran Keep it up. You too, Josh. I know you are a real person as opposed to the Brown alter egos, but you will be lumped together with them if you keep on with your nonsense. At least Todd Strickland hasn't come out for the brownclown and I am proud of that. Early voting started today. People are paying attention and voting.

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....yawn...

....tea party express...where is the real data?

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Right Here
mrobinson_ptc wrote:

....tea party express...where is the real data?

Here is the real data.

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/BOC/county_commission_meet...

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Oh, no no. Be more specific.

That's like saying you can find it on google.

You did the research - share! Tell us what the half-truths were, and quote where you found the whole truth!

Otherwise, if you assume people will go reading, when others actually post the language themselves, which side is proving the point?

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What ever happened to Spear Road Guy???

There's another I haven't read anything from in a long while.

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Bypass

Read the letter above and you'll know when Steve Brown tells you he's going to stop the West Fayetteville Bypass he'll do it.

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A Final Thought

A Final Thought
I’ve learned a lot over the last few years of my life. One of the main things I’ve learned is who I can count on when it comes to getting down in the trenches and fighting for a cause. Some folks will get down in the mud and help the cause and some folks just walk away. Some folks will look over their shoulder but others don’t even look back..

Steve Brown and Allen McCarty have said from the beginning of this campaign that their concerns are with the citizens of Fayette County. They have voiced those concerns many times.

From the very beginning, Steve Brown has taken a lot of mudslinging. In the face of much ugliness, he has continued to state documented facts. That hasn’t been the case with the opposing incumbents.

Steve Brown has never abandoned the trenches. It got pretty dirty down here, but he stayed the course. He continued to address questions in the blogs. His opponent didn’t do that. Even though folks were ugly to him, he continued to personally and publicly answer questions and clarify matters. His opponents didn’t do that.

Steve Brown and Allen McCarty are good men to have in the trenches.

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Lest We Forget

It was Steve Brown who told us about Jack Smith's plans to bring Mass Transit into Fayette County. Jack Smith said it wasn't so, but Steve Brown looked up Smith's voting record with the Regional Transportation Board. Smith voted in favor of the Mass Transit Plan into Fayette County 3 times. He said he wouldn't but he did. Mayor Ken Steele voted in favor of turning Fayetteville into a transit bus hub. Just another one of Smith's deceptions.

Smith has been pushing the West Fayetteville Bypass without any detailed traffic studies. He has been pushing it even though our tax money will have to pay almost a million dollars in mitigation for impacting our streams and wetlands. Who know how many millions will have to be paid for right of way acquisition along homeowners property. Jack Smith, Eric Maxwell and the county engineers said they wouldn't/couldn't buy folks property before they had obtained the Federal 404 Permit to build the road. All the while they were saying that, they had already bought some property on Janice Drive and promised other folks SWEET DEALS for their property. There goes out tax money. There goes another lie/deception.

After making plans for all of the 2004 SPLOST money, Jack, Eric and the rest of the fabulous five started making noise about another SPLOST. Before the 2004 SPLOST had ended, they asked the voters for another $135,000,000. The thing about the 2009 SPLOST was that Lee Hearn had to admit to a group of citizens that he commissioners had not even seen the Wish List of that tax until about 30 minutes before they voted to implement the Resolution. Will this list never end?

No. Jack Smith said that the Bank of Georgia was not a developer's bank, but Pat Shepherd said that it was for builders and developers in Fayette and Coweta Counties. Jack Smith said that there were only 2 developers on the Board of Directors for the BOG. However, in a search of the Secretary of State's Office we found that 8 out of the 11 members are directly tied to development. If you count Jack Smith in his capacity of controlling zoning and land use for the county, there are 9 members of the Board of Directors for the Bank of Georgia.

Now, we come to the ethics question. It is a direct conflict of interest for Jack Smith to sit on the Board of a developers bank and also be responsible for zoning and land use in Fayette County.

Jack Smith accepted an expensive first class trip from the Sany Corporation. He granted huge tax breaks to the Corporation and then was treated to a luxurious trip to China by the same corporation.

Jack Smith's Bank of Georgia position and his acceptance of a luxurious trip to China are ethically questionable.

PLEASE REMEMBER ALL OF THE ABOVE WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE TOMORROW.

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Ginga1414 - Do you

Do you live in district 3?

You know Ginga, I am not against Steve Brown, but he sure doesn't know how to answer a question, makes me wonder about him. He's all over this blog but when he's asked a question he goes silent.

Why is that?

So, here's the terrific choices we have here in district 3.

Mr. Brown
Mr. Haddix
Mr. Logsdon

None of them are my perfect choice, so I will have to pick one that's least "bad". I'll be holding my nose, that's for sure. BTW, it certainly won't be Mr. Haddix.

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PTC Observer, I do not

live in district 3. Even though I can't vote for any of the district 3 candidates, the prevailing candidate will make decisions that will affect my life.

I have to respectfully disagree that Steve Brown doesn't answer questions here. I have read his responses to many questions on the blogs.

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Oh please PTC Observer, that's terrible

I am not sure why you hear crickets. Perhaps you are typing outside on your deck?

This is going to disappoint you, PTC Observer, but I do not sit staring at my computer waiting for you to ask me a question. Sundays are a good day, because I take that day off.

Of course there was a "team" behind the Pinewood deal. Is that not obvious? The Promaker, Group VI, Dan Cathy, Mayor Greg Clifton and the Pinewood people themselves - it was a great LOCAL effort. This one was not handed to us by the state like Sany and the Coopers. This was generated locally and we are all very proud of that.

If you think I am going to give you the cell phone numbers and contact names of the people listed above on this public blog, I would ask you to think about it some more.

At the opening of the Home Depot Studio component, the VP of Stores said (in front of 200 government and development people) that it was "the best public-private partnership he had ever seen" across the U.S.

I do not think anyone believes that you are thinking about voting for me. Be real.

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PTC observer you're weird too

The Logsdon supporters always seem to pick around the edges and the stuff they fight over is just plain stupid.

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johenry - Show

Show me where I have "supported" Mr. Logsdon.

I am not fighting anyone on this issue, I am simply trying to understand Mr. Brown's claims. Actually, I am giving him a chance to support his claims, he merely needs to respond. I don't think that's asking too much. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of "support" for his opponent.

As to the "weird" accusation, I have been called much worse.

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Mr. Brown - Crickets

Nope, just listening to the sound of silence from you.

I strike this "answer" as a non-answer. My question is about your involvement on the "team", the team has said nothing that I can find about your key involvement in getting this deal done. Your narrative suggests that you were part of the team. I hear "crickets" because I hear nothing from the other team members concerning your involvement.

I'll try this one last time, give me a link to any public support for your claim that you were a key part of getting the deal done.

I am not interested in hearing how happy a vendor was to get some business, this was after the deal.

Look Mr. Brown, I really I have not yet decided between you or the only other viable candidate in this race. His record stands out there pretty clear. You, on the other hand, keep making "claims". I am just trying my best to understand if they are actually true. You can certainly clear it up if you just answer the question. If you don't I will consider some type of character flaw and I'll deal with in the voting booth. Even then, I wouldn't know exactly for sure who to vote. Tell me Mr. Brown, do all politicians suffer from hoof & mouth disease?

Taking credit for other peoples' work, if that's what this is, happens. Unfortunately you don't see it in well respected leaders.

So, anyone that's part of the Pinewood Deal Tean out there want to step up for the Chairman and tell how he helped get the deal done? Or will I hear Crickets Mr. Brown?

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Contact him privately?

I think most of the users on here have a way to send an email through the system.

You may want to revise the "Sunday day off", as you seem to be working right now :)

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Crickets - Ginga1414

Why then do I only hear crickets when I ask about a specific topic Mr. Brown brought up? I am simply trying to get him to clarify his claim that he was a significant part of the "team" surrounding the Pinewood deal.

It's his claim, not mine, I just want him to provide some supporting evidence of this claim.

Do you happen to have some independent corroboration of his claim?

A link, a letter, a personal testimony from one of the other team members on how Mr. Brown was an important part of the effort would be fine. Why is this so difficult to answer? I've asked Mr. Ross for this as well.

This is serious, I am actually trying to decide who I should vote for, character and leadership are an essential determinants in this decision. Did Mr. Brown simply overreach on this claim, if so he should just say so. Many make mistakes in the "heat of the battle", did he?

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You have to laugh to keep from crying

Several of the Smith supporters on this site have been saying the Brown supporters (I include myself in that group this time around) don't say anything about Brown's record as mayor.

One of them posted such a comment under this very letter to the editor, the one that describes what Brown did as mayor!

The Smith supporters are out wandering in the desert. You can't back Smith or Maxwell without supporting the West Fayetteville Bypass, MARTA buses in Fayette and sales tax increases.

At this very minute, Eric Maxwell has applied for a judicial post at the same time he is running for the county commission. Jack Smith won't quit the developer bank board which conflicts with his government land use and zoning duties. I don't know how you get behind all of that.

They can hate on Steve Brown all they want but the fact is he stood up to Smith and Maxwell and he opposes the road to nowhere and the buses and the sale tax increases.

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The google search brought this one back!!!

Boy oh boy there are plenty of good reasons why we put Steve Brown and Allen McCarty in there. This brings back how bad things really were before they got in.

Harold Logsdon supported Jack Smith!!! Ouch!!!

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Hey CCB

SHOW YOUR DISPLEASURE WITH THE CHOICE OF COMMISSIONER, IGNORE BROWN AND SMITH, IF IN FACT THAT'S THEIR REAL NAMES, WRITE IN BALD CYCLIST FOR COMMISSIONER.

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I don't have displeasure with Brown

He's been honest and on the mark.

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What ever happen to internet troll Hutch???

Not that I miss him a bit but he was very mean.

My granddaughter gave me this link and told me not to get too involved with Logsdon internet trolls.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/in...

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Of course you don't

but while you have your head where it is, check him for polyps.

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Hutch is immature and making

Hutch is immature and making a mockery of the election process. You would be better to not vote at all with this "no choice" protest. You had the choice to run yourself. If the county lacks good choices for the election it only has itself to blame. Voters should get informed and make the best choice they can.....not waste the time of the elections supervisor counting bogus votes!

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fc1989

Then we would not have any idea at all how many people are disgusted with our choices for commissioner, I never said I would make a better commissioner, I said neither of these two are worth a damn, but if it makes you feel better here's a choice for you, vote, don't vote, or kiss my butt.

SHOW YOUR DISPLEASURE WITH THE CHOICE OF COMMISSIONER, IGNORE BROWN AND SMITH, IF IN FACT THAT'S THEIR REAL NAMES, WRITE IN BALD CYCLIST FOR COMMISSIONER.

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Hutch: fc1989

Hutch generally doesn't say enough for anyone to be able to say he is immature!
He is a "People" person and not an issues person.
Never heard his position on buses---just who might ride them; he is against taxes, but will probably vote for someone who isn't; he had no real stand on avoiding a great depression in 2008 but didn't want the banks and finance companies bailed out and GM and Chrysler saved which surely would have caused an instant depression.
Our founding Fathers were Christians, he thinks. but they were Deists! Christian means Christ--Deists did not believe in the Trilogy--just God.
Hard to figure.
This can be gleaned by what little he says, just as he thinks I am forty people and get blamed for all of them and complains to Cal every chance he gets about those who disagree!

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Hey Court

I am a people person, but can be a issue person if need be. You have no idea what I think in regards to religion, but to fill you in, I'm just this side of an atheist, but a little beyond agnostic. You aren't quite 40 people yet, but you have been about 8 or 9 just since the format change, you can change your name, but the anal orifice you are is apparent in your every post. While CCB can check Brown for polyps, you can check yourself, if you know what I mean. I have never complained to Cal about you, in fact a couple of times I have defended you, I believe the mentally slow should have a chance to express themselves too.

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Logsdon supported Brown

Citizen Bob was right!!! Logsdon did have to agree with Brown after they had all those mean rants against Brown.

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Nuk_1 on Brown accomplishments

Here're a couple of quick ones...

- Yes, he initially supported the TDK extension into Coweta County, then stood up to state, county, and local politicians (along with developers, builders, and bankers) to oppose and stop it when we all discovered the road would inundate us with overwhelming traffic. Even one of his primary antagonizers (Harold Logsdon) ended up publicly siding with Steve's position.

- Exposed the conflict of interest of board members who simultaneously served on the Development Authority of Peachtree City (DAPC) and on the board of the bank that was loaning money at higher than market interest rates to the DAPC. And that the DAPC kept completely inadequate records of financial transactions and meeting minutes.

- Before, during, and after his term as PTC mayor, did not receive any financial benefit resulting from the sale or purchase of city property, zoning or re-zoning decisions, contract awards, or the like.

Compare that to Commissioner Smith, who accepted an extravagant Asian vacation from the Chinese company he granted tax expemtions to; who has given three changing rationales for constructing a $52m road to nowhere (unless you close the GA 74 - I-85 interchange, as Smith has suggested), and attempted to foist a $135m ales tax on us while he simultaneously accumulated a $5m county rainy day fund.

I'll take Steve's warts over Smith's suspect actions...

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You’re back peddling Nuk.

You’re back peddling Nuk. You’re all about character assassination. It looks like you never read the letter above these posts. Go back and give it a read and you’ll see some of the things Steve Brown did for us a mayor. As the title says, Brown was right.

Ginga1414 has said this time and again, you Smith guys can’t talk about the issues. You know Smith and Maxwell are wrong on the West Fayetteville Bypass, the buses, his free trip to China and the conflict with the bank.

Smith has lied. Read the letters to the editor on this web site. No one is refuting them.

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Great post on the election issues CCB!!!

I love your post below. You've shown the difference in the quality of content between the Brown side and the Smith side is huge.

The Smith people don't talk about the horrible 2009 SPLOST, the West Fayetteville Bypass or the transit buses (not to mention Smith's gifts in exchange for tax breaks situation).

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Ok Hutch, you tell us: truth or smear?

David Barlow's letter --
I was very surprised by Commissioner Jack Smith’s letter in The Citizen on June 16. Right off the bat, he said that a vote for him “is a vote for sanity in managing your tax resources.” Exactly what definition of “sanity” is he using to describe his actions?
This is the same guy who is building a $50 million road to nowhere with our limited resources (Georgia and federal highway departments found it did not score high enough and was too expensive).
In addition, he tried to dupe us into another SPLOST, taking an additional $135 million out of our wallets for pointless projects they came up with at the last minute. Smith and friends wanted us to throw away a sum equaling over two times our annual budget.
Commissioner Smith, your actions are definitely not my definition of “financial sanity.”

Steve Brown's letter --
Commissioner Jack Smith voted to put mass transit buses in Fayette County. In public, he said he was not going to do it, but he did do it, multiple times. He admitted this on the video.
You will also see where he says [of] the transit plan, “It is not the best plan that I would put together, but I was only one voice in the group.” The other “voices” from Clayton, Henry and Fulton counties told Smith to take the buses and he agreed.

Virgina Allen's letter --
I don’t know who Commissioner Smith is trying to fool by saying the bank is not oriented toward builders and developers. There are many newspaper articles supporting that connection.
In fact, just take a look at some of the board members of the bank: Pat Shepherd, a former board member of sales and marketing of the Mid-West Georgia Homebuilders Association; Donnie H. Russell, owner and president of manufactured housing sales company Parham Industries, Inc. as well as director and part-owner of manufactured home production company Signal Homes; Arlie C. Aukerman, former chairman and president of construction firm A.C. Aukerman; Fayette County Commission Chairman Jack Smith, an elected official who votes on land use and zoning matters; Thomas G. Sellmer, former owner of real estate management and investment company Sellmer Property Management; Vincent M. Rossetti, president of Ravin Homes, Inc. as well as manager of real estate and office management firm MiRome, LLC; and William Robert Hancock, Jr., partner in real estate firm F&H Investment.
You owe it to yourself as an informed voter to read the FDIC’s “Order to Cease and Desist” for Jack Smith’s Board of Directors at www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/enforcement/2009-06-06.pdf. There are a lot of things Commissioner Smith is just not telling you.

Michael Meyer's letter --
Even Eric Maxwell, an attorney and commissioner, was asked the question regarding this issue from Eric Imker at a recent forum: “Can you legally change the allocation of SPLOST money you currently dedicated for the West Fayetteville Bypass? Can you re-direct it to some other SPLOST designated project? That’s just a yes or no question.”
Maxwell: “The answer is yes. Even the Georgia state code regarding bonds allows you to change what was voted on if the purpose stated is no longer necessary or circumstances have changed such that the expenditure of all or part of such bond funds is no longer practicable or feasible. O.C.G.A. & 36-82-4.2 (2008).”
Smith would have you think no with his repeated mantra, “voters mandate,” that we have to build this road to nowhere with no environmental permits and no* state funding because we have no choice.

I can go on and on and on.

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Finally I'm glad to see you grew a pair, although you didn't answer the question, I haven't accused either side of slamming, I'm just asking why when one does it it's different then the other side, but in true Brown fashion, you dance around the question and in the end never answer. So be it.

SHOW YOUR DISPLEASURE WITH THE CHOICE OF COMMISSIONER, IGNORE BROWN AND SMITH, IF IN FACT THAT'S THEIR REAL NAMES, WRITE IN BALD CYCLIST FOR COMMISSIONER.

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"You Smith guys"

I think the average Brown voter must have an IQ of a Frito if they haven't figured out in the last two months that I am NOT voting for either of the two losers running.

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At least your not making a mockery of the election process.

SHOW YOUR DISPLEASURE WITH THE CHOICE OF COMMISSIONER, IGNORE BROWN AND SMITH, IF IN FACT THAT'S THEIR REAL NAMES, WRITE IN BALD CYCLIST FOR COMMISSIONER.

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NUK_1; You know yourself better than any of us, but

even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes :)

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Yeah, yeah, yeah :) I'm just ready for the votes to be counted and to see all the howling about how the world as we know it is going to end late tomorrow evening, no matter the outcome.