The thing about Brown: He’s most often right

Who is Steve Brown, former Peachtree City mayor and current Post 4 candidate for county commissioner? Some people attempt to cast him as a villain, while others laud his stand on contentious issues, Let’s explore two of them.

If it’s easy to find stories about Steve Brown (which it is), it’s even easier to find newspaper articles by Steve. And while you may not agree with all his positions, even his greatest detractors would have to concede that he thoroughly researches his subjects, which is particularly refreshing in an era of politicians who don’t even read measures they vote for.

Two past projects seem to have generated the most debate: the extension of TDK Boulevard from Peachtree City to Coweta County, and the Peachtree City Development Authority’s operation of the Tennis Center.

Time has proven Brown right on both of his very public crusades for citizens he represented. If you are an average homeowner wanting to preserve our great quality of life, Brown has been one of your greatest defenders.

TDK Boulevard — On Feb 7, 2003, then-Mayor Steve Brown signed the TDK Boulevard Extension Agreement with the Fayette County Commission, agreeing to extend that road “to promote adequate and safe means of transportation” and committing the city to a $200,000 contribution.

While the city could regulate growth along the road within its limits, it had no control over the Coweta County length of the road that abutted the city. Developers quickly saw opportunities to heavily build along the Coweta portion of the road, and Coweta offered no zoning assurances to protect Peachtree City from adjacent overdevelopment.

As a result of those plans, Steve said in a March 2004 letter to the editor, “The creation of the TDK Extension is purely for developmental purposes, not traffic relief,” and in November he called the developer special interest claims of the extension being “a bypass which would reduce traffic on Highway 54” the “relief valve myth.” The Citizen reported the following month that Brown was “vehemently opposed” to moving forward with the TDK Extension.

The Newnan Times-Herald editorial board, in a December 2004 issue, compared Brown to Alabama Governor George Wallace standing in the doorway blocking integration while saying he was the “lone holdout in the new road talks.”

Former mayors of Peachtree City and the leadership of the Chamber of Commerce all lambasted Brown for taking a stand against the TDK Extension. By October of 2005, Brown’s predecessor, a very frustrated Bob Lenox, said that everyone from Congressman Lynn Westmoreland down to every local councilperson knew Brown “personally stonewalled this [TDK] project.”

Lenox continued, “It is not often in government that you can clearly find the culprit when things go wrong, but in this case every one of us who has worked for years to make TDK Boulevard a reality knows that Steve Brown stopped it.”

Harold Logsdon campaigned in favor of the TDK Extension and displaced Brown as mayor in 2004. Soon, however, after massive development plans were filed in Coweta, groups like the Peachtree City Civic Association joined in the movement to kill the expansion, and by June of 2007, the road project was officially dead and Fayette County returned the $200,000 to the city.

In the January 2008 PTC Update newsletter, Mayor Harold Logsdon, an enthusiastic supporter of the extension said, “Two years ago I campaigned on the need for TDK.” He continued, “Well, the situation changed with the proposed massive development on our border, so I changed my position. Completing TDK is not in the best interest of PTC and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.”

Had Brown not had the courage to take a stand with everyone railing against him, we would have the TDK Extension, a massive development next to us, and traffic jams worse than any we can imagine. Steve Brown had taken a whole lot of heat, but it turns out that the lone holdout was right.

Tennis Center — The other issue that special interests target Brown for is the tennis center and development authority scandal. Like the TDK issue, Brown took a stand against what he thought was wrong and was not in the best interest of PTC: loose (and sometimes non-existent) accounting records, failure to record meeting minutes and borrowing funds without public votes.

Following Brown’s efforts, The Citizen editor Cal Beverly said in an in-depth November 2005 public blog that “Those community leaders ran the old DAPC out of their back pockets. They kept precious few records, despite being required to by state law. Several of them served on the board of directors of either a lending bank or a bidding contractor.”

Beverly condemned the DAPC’s performance saying, “If they had performed the same way on their day jobs, they would have been justifiably terminated.” He concluded, “There is no recorded vote on more than a million dollars in loans to the DAPC. There’s no paperwork financial trail to determine where that money went. How can any reasonable person praise this old board?”

Many of the people who defended the DAPC were mortified to learn that three of the DAPC members were on the board of directors of the bank issuing under-the-table high interest, short-term loans to the DAPC.

A September 2005 article appearing in The Citizen entitled, “Mayor slams DAPC board members’ bank ties,” DAPC member and bank board member Doug Warner admitted he should not have voted on the loans due to a conflict of interest. “If that’s evil, then I’m sorry. Take me to task for it,” Warner said.

The DAPC members resigned in shame. Steve Brown, the lone holdout, was proven right again.

I’d add one footnote. Being a senior leader on the people’s side of high profile issues distinguishes a public servant from a politician. That’s why I’m voting for Steve Brown for Fayette County commissioner, Post 4.

Robert Ross

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Missed the 10% per year for insurance, repairs, etc.

You're very right on the expenses to consider. It's a shame no one will even thing about considering them.

Oh well...

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Logsdon and Learnard connection

Thank you MrRobinson for ringing my bell. With your comments about Logsdon supporting a career academy. I now see why Councilwoman Learnard is supporting Logsdon. We all know the noble endeavour that Learnard has took upon and that is to get a career academy here in Fayette County. I think that would be great and wish her luck. Many things would be great to have here in Fayette County including a Performing Arts Center, but for me, and I am sure to many others is how are we going to pay for it? That should be the first talking points after an idea is put forth.

I went to Logsdon website and sure enough Logsdon quotes Councilwoman's Learnards talking points on her career academy. I am sure they have more than likely discussed this and Logsdon supports it. As I have told Councilwoman Learnard, I support the idea, but I have also told her my concern of how are we going to pay for it. I would pose the same question to Mr. Logsdon. Great idea! But how do we pay! Deficite spending?

Why am I posting this here some of you might ask. Well, I can't speak for Steve Brown, but I am sure he is not opposed to initial ideas of bringing higher education to Fayette County, but his usual second question when ideas are floated is "How are we going to pay for it". Steve Brown is and will be right on this issue too.

References: http://www.thecitizen.com/blogs/kim-learnard/04-09-2013/intro-college-an...
http://fayettecca.wordpress.com/

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Negative bloggers backing Logsdon is a huge mistake!!!

Look at the two campaign ads in Wednesday's Citizen and the difference between the candidates is immediate!!!

Logsdon has absolutely nothing to go on ... it's gibberish!

Harold what have you done for the people of Fayette County??? His ad says, "Successful communities determine their own path to success, and they do this through strong, effective leadership. As a resident of District 3 in Fayette County, you deserve this type of leadership."

In other words, Harold Logsdon, you haven't done much of anything??? His ad says, "Logsdon ... A proven leader!"

That's hilarious!!! His own ad "..." just to take up space.

Logsdon has been brought up in three election races in six months!!!

The only thing the negative bloggers can do is try to tear Steve Brown down by slinging mud at him. The best Logsdon can give them is a half page empty ad in the Citizen and a postcard that says "Harold Logsdon for Peacthree City Mayor" on one side and "District 3 Commissioner" on the other side.

Oh so sad!!!

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Do you guys really think this pap influences voters?

Or do you just like to post the same stuff over and over and over again. You and ginga and Josh are really wearing out your welcome. You can't get anybody to interact with on here so now you are critiquing ads? Loser. You can't call me a Logsdon supporter and attack me, so just grow up and shut up.

You 3 on the attack Logsdon side and Steve and his new alter egos on the Brown is a nice man side adds up to 7 votes if you all live in the district - and you don't.

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Josh and Steve Brown are right

How in the world could we pay for Ms. Learnard's career academy?

Ms. Learnard has presented her career academy to many organizations in and out of Fayette County. I've watched her presentation, repeatedly.

It is a great idea, and would be very beneficial to many young people. However, our school system has to come first.

Obviously, Harold Logsdon supports the idea. But, again, we have to ask, "How are we going to pay for it?"

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The point

Commissioner David Barlow has a lot of people doubting including me after his January debacle. I'm not much for the holy rollers. The point to make is Steve Brown stood up to him.

I think Josh Bloom is right and that Kim Learnard is doing something sneaky although you've got to shake your head after watching her in action.

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Logsdon/Learnard? How about Brown and Barlow?

Steve was all over here slamming the hell out of Sheila Huddleston and campaigning for fundie-freak Barlow. I guess that connection is "Ok" with you and having a total deadbeat as a FC Commish is also cool, as long as Brown gives his nod of approval.

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NUK_1 We get it already - you don't like Steve Brown,

but rather that trashing him with your mind-numbing comments, why don't you tell us what Logsdon has done for Fayette County?

I'm sure that would be the shortest blog you ever posted.

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Nuk's proving it with every post

The Logsdon supporters are just plain mean to core.

We had a year of peace in 2013 and some wonderful things happened. Now comes Logsdon and his blogging henchmen and look how bad it gets. This is probably why he lost by a big margin to Mayor Fleisch. We don't need the Logsdon crowd back in office.

The voters need to put an end to the negativity once and for all.

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What Can Brown Do For You?

How did Steve miss this glorious chance to adopt that as a campaign slogan???

As far as your dribble, americanpatriots, I've already listed time and time again why I won't be voting for Brown. What? You want me to make Logsdon a hero or Haddix? Git Real.

I thought Logsdon did a rather mediocre job as Mayor and the going into business with the incompetent city manger Bernie(a Steve and his Council hire BTW) was a real mistake. Still, I thought his term in PTC was a lot better than Brown's, though Brown set the bar so low a midget could have cleared it with one step. Maybe even you.

As far as your original question of what Logsdon has done for FC? How about not make a complete jack-ass out of himself as Brown and Haddix have done repeatedly? That simple enough for you to understand?

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Huddleston would have made commission better

Brown totally missed the boat with Ms. Huddleston, but Brown had a puppy dog he could train following him around. Then Barlow opened his mouth regarding the water director and started his religious diatribe that Brown felt the need to discuss his safety with the sherif. Barlow got loud again right before the vote for chair, then he and Oddo backed down with their tail between their legs. Odd stupidly wrote a letter instead of discussing man to man and this was telling to me that both lack something to be leaders.

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Early vote

Short lines, nice folks, and a free sticker! Had so much fun I went through the line twice. I kid, I kid...

But, everybody needs to vote and that includes Robinson and Morgan.

Josh

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I voted 3 times..

:)

You are right, no lines, good times.

The old folks were freezing in the Peachtree City Library location...i thought it felt great...

Still shocked that Haddix ran, what a waste of money/time...

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mrobinson, The problem is

that we haven't actually heard anything from Mr. Logsdon.

We've heard plenty from you and RWM.

Steve Brown has taken the time to come here and converse with his enemies and his supporters.

We haven't heard a single word from Harold Logsdon. Mr. Logsdon never said a word publicly about the Regional T-SPLOST. Therefore, the public has no idea if he was for or against it.

We don't know what his position is on Agenda 21.

What is Mr. Logsdon's position on mass transit in Fayette County?

What does he think about the district voting issue?

All we know about his position on anything is what he has displayed on his website.

We know very well what mrobinson and RWM think about. The issue that is forefront in their minds is the defeat of Steve Brown. We know that robinson and Morgan think that Logsdon is dignified and the rest of us are "dopes," old ladies, and even worse.

It should be noted that there are a very few people here who have nothing good to say about anyone except each other.

And, we do know that Kim Learnard thinks that our commissioners are insane.

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Upanatom how dare you talk about the shadow candidate!!!

The negative five can't elevate Harold Logsdon if they have to talk about him. There's not much good to say. Logsdon while serving as Mayor did set up a for-profit business with the City Manager. mrobinson says that's not a conflict!!!

Logsdon did go on a lavish all-expense paid trip to Asia funded by a company that received significant financial and tax incentives and mrobinson thinks that's ok too.

Logsdon kept the city in deficit spending and that's not worth promoting and not even mrobinson thinks that's right.

Logsdon did sue a sitting mayor over an emailed comment to an employee that had no public exposure and the taxpayer had to pay the legal bills. Are you there mrobinson?

Logsdon's major campaign issue for mayor was building TDK into Coweta and he had to admit that Steve Brown had been right about the road all along.

I think you now know why they aren't talking about Harold Logsdon. Trying to bash Steve Brown's character is all they've got.

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Steve Brown

I have to agree the old FCBC needed to go because of their arrogant, self serving, and crude ways. They were not for the people of FC. When Mr. Brown and the new board came in what a difference. The people now have a chance to ask questions and are treated with respect. After all are we not the taxpayers.

I could not agree more "we need to keep Mr. Brown and Mr. McCarty in office".

And, may I say Mr. Brown is doing a superior job keeping Atlanta out of FC because Big Brother would love to take over.

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And if I may chime in...

The one thing that is so obvious is that Steve Brown loves his job. It was his continuous leadership qualities that earned him the chairmanship of the commission.Even when he and Commissioner McCarty were outnumbered 3 to 2 by the "good ole boys" Brown gained support by gallantly defending his position, and the voters admired him for it.

His tireless efforts and accomplishments with the BOC have earned him the right to be reelected. He has left no stone unturned doing his job better than it's ever been done before.

The BOC also made a fine choice in selecting County Administrator Steve Rapson. Sorry I don't have the figures, but another BOC member told me that Mr. Rapson has saved the county "more money than you could ever believe."

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I think some of the people

I think some of the people who are posting should reread the above article.
In addition to the facts stated above, my family supports Steve Brown and Allen McCarty because they did the difficult work of starting the long needed changes to the Fayette County Board of Commissioners. We now have meetings where any citizen can speak. Every person is treated with respect, no more scartistic remarkes or bored expressions from the commissioners. Their work has made this a better place to live. Steve Brown was twice voted chairman by the other comissioners.

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Jane Gallo is right

In addition, Steve Brown and the rest of our current commissioners were left with the collapsing road and water department problems. Those problems were things that had been swept under the rug by several previous commissions. When former Chairman Jack Smith was campaigning as an incumbent in 2010, he said that he was proud to say that there was a surplus in the county budget. If I am remembering correctly, he said we had a $3 million surplus.

Why did Jack Smith and Herb Frady choose to ignore the infrastructure and water department problems that had been in existence for years?

The previous commissions chose to gamble with the safety of Fayette citizens in order to make the books look as if we had a surplus.

Our current commissioners have repeatedly said that even though they inherited the problems, they would take ownership. And, that is exactly
what they have done.

By the way, Mr. Logsdon appeared with Jack Smith in his last campaign ads. Did/does Mr. Logsdon condone Jack Smith's neglect of safety issues?

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I think some of the people

I think some of the people who are posting should reread the above article.
In addition to the facts stated above, my family supports Steve Brown and Allen McCarty because they did the difficult work of starting the long needed changes to the Fayette County Board of Commissioners. We now have meetings where any citizen can speak. Every person is treated with respect, no more scartistic remarkes or bored expressions from the commissioners. Their work has made this a better place to live. Steve Brown was twice voted chairman by the other comissioners.

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He doesn't have to be a liberal mrobinson to succeed!!!

Compromise for mrobinson is putting mass transit in Fayette County and racial gerrymandering (sp?) voting districts.

Maybe mrobinson likes deficit spending like the old Board of Commissioners used to do???

mrobinson and Robert Morgan and Nuk are internet trolls for Harold Logsdon.

For the older out of touch people like me here's the definition of internet troll. See if you agree.

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

This sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, but have been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment

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johenry, Thanks for

the internet troll definition.

You couldn't have found a better description.

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Compromise

Getting input from all sides and looking for a solution that seeks the best interests of all of the citizens at heart is compromise to me.

Compromise is not being invited to move out of the jurisdiction because an alternative is presented, but to hear out both sides, not just the only side that claims they are being oppressed.

Steve's had his turn, I've heard his side. I don't agree with it, and I think it's suspect. I can see clear lines between his candidacy and the political influences of his supporters. I see there is no compromise when you are just pandering to a part of the electorate that you think will sweep you into office again.

There are four other commissioners that can provide plenty of that perspective (well, I believe Oddo will provide balance). The others - well, they all seem to be in lock step with the tea party agenda. I had hope for, of all people, Barlow, but I don't see it after the January love-in.

A little give and take....all I hear is one side from the Brown supporters. Where's the other side so we can get compromise? Oh, that's right, we're called "haters", "negative", etc.

It certainly looks like there are a few bloggers that believe I am running against Brown, since they aim their comments clearly at me versus the issues, of which, sadly, there are none.

Oh, looks like I posted above you. Sorry, darn fingers!

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mrobinson and Compromise

I have to disagree with the statement that there are no issues.

There are many issues. The issues that concern me the most are a balanced county budget, water department problems, and transparency. I am extremely concerned with having commissioners who don't have familial connections that will profit from county business. I am concerned with having commissioners who are not tied to developers and a developer's bank. I have a long list of issues that I am concerned about.

However, I guess the thing I am most concerned about is the ARC. Some folks just aren't aware that The Atlanta Regional Commission (ARC) is a member of the organization that is promoting and pushing Agenda 21 throughout this nation.

Because of Agenda 21 we need a strong representative working for Fayette County on the ARC. One of our previous representatives on the ARC repeatedly said that he did not vote for mass transit in his position on the ARC. He said that he did not vote for mass transit in Fayette because he knew without a doubt that the majority of Fayette voters does not want mass transit running through our county.

That same ARC representative from Fayette finally had to admit that he had voted in favor of the ARC plan when he was continually confronted by the voters. At that point he said, "Well, I was only one vote." Was that a "go along to get along" vote? For that reason, we need a strong representative on the ARC.

That same commission chairman repeatedly said that the West Fayetteville Bypass would relieve traffic in the City of Fayetteville. Steve Brown presented proof that that statement wasn't true. In the process of holding that commission accountable, it was discovered that the chairman also sat on the Board of Directors of a developer's bank.

I could go on and on with issues surrounding that particular commission. But, I'm sure everyone who reads the comments here is extremely familiar with all of those issues.

Let me just say that I could never support someone with any connections to that particular commission. Harold Logsdon supported Jack Smith during Mr. Smith's last campaign for a commission seat. He was pictured in a large Smith campaign ad. Birds of a feather?

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Brown and Logsdon supporters, mrobinson

Many folks have asked Mr. Logsdon to voice his side of what is being said here.

So far, he has chosen not to do that.

Brown supporters and Logsdon supporters can post back and forth from now on, but we will never have the true picture or comparison until Mr. Logsdon decides to break his silence.

On the other hand, Steve Brown has cared enough to address both sides.

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WE GET IT MROBINSON

YOU

ARE

NOT

VOTING

FOR

BROWN

Don't you have a mother somewhere????

Yes, I'm done. Hope you are, too.

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Here comes one more, johenry

mrobinson is so handy with definitions, I wonder what his definition of compromise could be.

So far, we haven't seen any compromise on his part. It is all one sided.

All we get from him and RWM is hate, hate, and more hate. No compromising there.

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This letter says more about leadership and Steve Brown

Brown has the courage to take a stand and defend his people. mrobinson's not going to tell you anything in the letter above is wrong. He's not going to tell you that Logsdon didn't have to admit that Brown was right.

Brown is not an insider as mrobinson claims but he fought against the insiders!!!

No bus for mrobinson! This ain't liberal land.

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It's got to be around 290 by now!!!

I'm glad Steve Brown is not compromising with the liberals. We don't have enough money to handle their "compromises" and I'm still not going to buy mrobinson a bus!!!

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284 posts - most of them back and forth complaining...

Open government lets everybody have a turn, and sometimes, that's a good thing. Oftentimes, it wastes a lot of time. Read this and see if Steve Brown truly believes in citizen participation:

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/news_archives/14Apr/ARC-Bylaws.pdf

Steve, what's a "troublesome district"? Is it one that doesn't go along with everybody else? Is that open and transparent?

You'd rather politicize the ARC by having more elected officials be in positions of power versus a balance with all interests, including citizens?

Term limits are good - I would agree there, but redistricting and adjusting to remove infighting? Hmmm...does ANYONE understand compromise anymore?

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mrobinson maybe has a good slogan for Logsdon

"I promise to compromise with the liberals". Or maybe "A new mass transit bus in every driveway".

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283 Posts - pretty amazing. - open and transparent government

I am extremely proud of the 2013 Board of Commissioners' efforts on creating the most open government in Fayette County history.

Open and Transparent Government

· There has not been a more open and transparent government in the history of Fayette County than under the Board chaired by Steve Brown.

· When Mr. Logsdon was mayor, he actually curbed public speech at City Council meetings by clamping down with time restrictions. When Mr. Logsdon lost in the recent mayoral election, he did not offer one single improvement to public speech in is campaign platform.

· Under Brown's chairmanship, the Board broadcast meetings on live cable TV broadcast, live internet streaming and are available for re-broadcast on our web site.

· Any citizen can speak on any agenda item at our board meeting with no harsh time limit imposed because we actually care about what you have to say.

· For the first time in the county’s history, we openly advertise and solicit participation from all citizens to be on commissions, authorities and boards. This has been a huge success.

· Every citizen who wants to meet with the county chairman gets a face-to-face meeting.

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Another Thing About Commissioner Brown

And another thing about Commissioner Brown that should be recognized. Back in the old guard of commissioners I went to a meeting to speak against the West Fayetteville Bypass. I had a written statement with several points to make. The old guard of commissioners (Frady, Horgan, Hearn) simply disregarded what I had to say and was in fact disgusted that I was wasting there time. On the next months agenda, there was an agenda item to move public comments to the end of the meetings instead of the beginning (knowing that nobody would stay until 9-10pm at night to make a comment)

There is no doubt that Steve Brown has created the most open government in the state. Your First Amendment rights are on steroids at the Board of Commissioners meetings. Great government starts with great public access. The Logsdon supporters are way behind on this one because Logsdon never mentions free speech. Maybe Mr. Logsdon could comment himself on this.

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Negative Nuk

There you go again Nuk.

The problem the anti-everything negative bloggers have is you can't ever admit that the other side does anything right. Steve Brown is the king of free speech and anyone who goes to the county meetings will agree.

The weird part is you support Harold Logsdon but you can't come up with any positive things to say about him. The guy had "Harold Logsdon for Peachtree City Mayor" on the county commissioner race postcards. There's just not a lot of substance with the guy. He just got pummeled by Vanessa Fleisch in the mayors race four months ago.

Throwing your dirty name calling on Steve Brown isn't going to make Logsdon look one once better.

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I wonder if the three or four

I wonder if the three or four people who constantly post negetative comments are even really Republicans. I would hate to think they are, perhasp they are frustrated Democrats. They must just be sad that they don't have anyone to vote for.

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Always negative Nuk

There you go again Nuk!

You can't list anything good that Logsdon has done so you keep mud slinging and bashing away on Steve Brown.

My granddaughter was right, a few of you are internet trolls.

internet troll definition:
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

This sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, but have been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment.

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....space holder...

some folks post on top of other postings. I apologize, I fell victim to this. Please see the posts BELOW this to follow context.

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Even mrobinson makes mistakes

Now, how did that happen?

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It's okay to say you are a liberal in Fayette if you are one....

... but, please Mrobinson, do not twist my words from a presentation where you were not present. Do not put my words in your mouth, that is not sanitary.

For those who may want to see the presentation, here is the link:
https://webapps.icma.org/conference_Handouts/handouts2013/ICMA%20Present...

For everyones' information, there was also 20 minutes of talking around those slides that you will not get.

The source for the points Mrobinson made was the New York Times - you cannot miss it in huge letters - and not Steve Brown.

I make no apologies for my conservative Republican beliefs and actions, including eliminatng deficit spending, creating one of the most open governments in the state and others. I do not think the people of Fayette County are going to have a problem with it either.

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His opinions are the minority in Fayette

I couldn't get the link to open. Anyhow Steve Brown has nothing to worry about like mrobinson would have him believe.

mrobinson would be happier in Clayton or Dekalb where there are almost no conservatives or Republicans or tea party people. I wonder why he feels like living in Fayette???

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Still white, over 45, Republican and don't want mass transit

No bus for mrobinson! No one would want to sit next to him anyway.

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Steve Brown and the Tea Party Express - Who made the PowerPoint?

Did you make the PowerPoint that uses the NYT quote? Did Rapson make it? Did the ICMA get that quote and put it on that slide, then follow it up with "That would be us?"

Tell us, Steve, what point were you trying to make in that presentation? It seems to be that it's about the tea party express taking over, isn't it?

So....share the 20 minutes of talking.

You use sources and references to prove points! It's something kids learn with research papers in high school.

STEVE BROWN - DID YOU MAKE THE POWERPOINT? Please, a simple yes or no would do. If you did, why are you twisting the simple point I made. They're your words, unsanitary as they may be when they are shoved right back in your mouth.

And what was the purpose of presenting at this conference, anyway?

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I used the incumbent's words....the incumbent now claims racism?

Do you disagree that, in a presentation given to the ICMA, you showed a slide that said that most Tea Party demographics are that, followed by a slide that shows the current County Commission with the caption, "That Would Be Us"?

Did you say these things and make this PowerPoint, or did I imagine it? No racism here, just simply pointing out the agenda.

You have supporters that cry oppression when the mean old government takes part of their 20 acre farm, correct?

Your key supporters seem to fly airplanes, both commercially and privately, correct?

Your key supporters do not support mass transit in most any form at all, correct?

Imply, infer...are these your supporters or not? The agenda seems to be to keep that "rural character" and things the way they are....which, if we go back to your words and demographics you presented in a presentation to the FCITP regarding regionalism, are predominately homogeneous.

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I am glad they are coming out ... no apologies for my positions

For reference, here are Mrobinson's comments jabbing at the more conservative Republican leanings of where I stand on the issues. Like most liberal political attacks, the reply has to point to racism. This is sad.

Mrobinson's comment:
I understand why some folks who post here support Brown - he certainly is a champion for the little people--the little people who own 20 acre farms, the pilots, and the "white, over 45, married men" who support the tea party (see the ICMA presentation slides for Steve Brown's assertion there). The mass-transit hating, rural character supporting, jet flying....I digress :)

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Mrobinson and his "mass transit hating" comment

You always have to use the "hate" word when you go on the offensive in liberal politics.

The regional government and my predecessor on the Board of Commissioners wanted to run bus lines to Peachtree and Fayetteville from Riverdale (Clayton), Newnan (Coweta) and McDonough (Henry). This makes absolutely no sense at all and I openly opposed it. There was also a commuter rail line to Peachtree City at a cost of around $140,000 per rider and I openly opposed that too. By the way, Harold Logsdon openly supported my predecessor (appeared in his campaign ads).

Now Mrobinson could just say he disagrees with me on mass transit in Fayette County and try to justify a plan that even the regional and state transportation planners could not justify (I asked them), but he has to follow the liberal political playbook and throw the word "hate" in there.

This is what happens when a certain subset of the population wants to take more and more of your money for purposes that produce no positive metrics.

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Poor misguided mrobinson

Honey if you're having problems with your gasoline bills instead of us paying for them why don't you move to Atlanta or Fulton County??? Why is the answer that everyone else pays for your problems???

Fix your problem mrobinson and move closer to your work!!! I can't afford your bills.

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johenry: that's enough

Some of us have long memories and remember how Steve Brown's initiative for Volunteer Day repaired your roof. Slamming other people about "who pays for this and that" and the other crap isn't very becoming of you.

Be grateful for the help and put a muzzle on it. Stop attacking others whom you think want some kind of freebies when you were a beneficiary of some very good citizens. What mrobinson proposes isn't government welfare here and was spelled-out like a pretty decent plan. Attack the plan and poke holes in it all you want, but it might be time to think about humbleness instead of outrage.

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Yes, johenry, "Poor misuided mrobinson."

mrobinson, one of the many elements covered in the Regional T-SPLOST was the fact that you, I, every other Fayette citizen, and all metro counties would have been on the hook to subsidize MARTA for the next 30+ years if it had passed.

You speak of a shuttle bus. Who is going to pay for the bus? And how would the shuttle bus sustain itself? Who would service the buses?

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The "Mass Transit" Incident and Government

A certain subset of the population wants to take more and more of your money for purposes that produce no positive metrics.

What are the positive metrics you use?

Let me paint a picture for you, using your 74/I-85 interchange.

So far, $8 million dollars has been spent, if I recall your literature, to get the GA 74/I-85 intersection ready for future improvements to speed up a commute.

From my house to that intersection, it takes, on average during the morning commute, 20 minutes to get there. When I drive my car, it goes 340 miles for week's worth of trips to and from Atlanta. In my SUV, that trip would cost my a 20 gallon fill-up at $60.

I can also go to the GRTA express bus in Newnan in 15 minutes, pay $35 a week, and save wear and tear on my car (only going 80 miles) and fill up less per week.

That's a POSITIVE METRIC TO ME. Imagine if we had a small shuttle bus that could do that? Imagine if 100 people a day did that in a shuttle bus that held 20. 95 vehicles off the road during the busiest parts of the day, the parts where the intersection is at its worst (and it's not that bad, honestly). The citizens would save every day, and you wouldn't have spent the $8 million. The "criminal" element everybody fears wouldn't be there, and it would, in my opinion, cost far less than the intersection improvements that are only needed two times a day.

I don't think your supporters want any mass transit - instead of presenting alternative suggestions like this, it's quotes like this we get:

“Criminals catch that kind of transportation into our county,” Bost said, “and I’m not going to support anything that works toward increasing our crime either.”

The tea party express, ladies and gentleman.

Steve - instead of improving the intersection, which during construction will inconvenience us greatly, what about a smaller shuttle bus idea?

No, mass transit "hating" seems accurate to me.

Recreation costs A LOT. It certainly has positive metrics, but it rarely, if ever, makes money, but a certain subset of the population wants to take more and more of your money (read - increased fees) for purposes that product few positive metrics.

How's that "war on the Commission" going, anyway?

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mrobinson and Mass Transit

It's great that you can make a case for mass transit for this one intersection. So since it makes sense for you we should do it? Your if this many did it we could save this much analysis is how most that favor mass transit justify it. But usually not that many use it. Now quote me some actual numbers on crime in areas with mass transit vs those without. And quote me more numbers on how profitable mass transit systems like MARTA would be without government assistance. I for one would not use or benefit from mass transit. I would benefit from road improvements at the GA74/I85 intersection.

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mrobinson, Logsdon and mass transit

mrobinson if you're saying the federal government and the local governments don't subsidize mass transit I'm going to have to say you are lying. Even I know that. You're telling us the fare to ride pays for the service???

You're staring to sound like Jack Smith now by making things up that just ain't true. Logsdon was a big Smith supporter and we all know Smith was bring the buses to Fayette County but he kept telling everybody he opposed the buses and trains in our county.

Say what you will about Brown but he's not bringing the buses!!!

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Again, mass transit haters...

...justifying my points.

What I suggested shouldn't bring a lick of crime in - we're talking the equivalent of church buses going to and from the City center. It's actually been done before in PTC. How many criminals hop on the GRTA Xpress bus in Newnan? I've been on it, and it's not very full.

Really, why people don't use the transit options they have now on the Southside is it's not convenient at all.

MARTA isn't "government assistance", it's actually a government authority, approved by law. It's not a for-profit enterprise, like a private bus line. It's there because, sometimes, government has to do things that don't make money, like promote the health, safety and welfare of their citizens.

And are you using Recreation and Medicare? Is the military making us money? Those are completely fine.

And what are the improvements that will help you at 74 and I-85? Where are you going, and how long are you being delayed from getting there?

Are multiple millions of dollars worth 5 minutes a day to you?

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Mass transit

Guess we can thank the wonderful GT politicians and transportation engineers who had the forethought not to bring the train lines down the center of I85 and I75.

We need 6 and 7 day a week busses or rail like we all need another lawyer. Bring in access and this will bring in crime. Fayette County is actually shielded because we don't have an interstate running through.

Before I would even consider furthering Marta, they would need to clean up their act. No riders that terrorize others, or the drunks and druggies who use the trains and stops like Studdard uses Fayetteville as his personal toilet.

Last year, a client gave me tickets for my family to enjoy a downtown event. We thought it might be fun to grab the train by the airport and expose the kids to the train. It was nice until some little ole lady plopped her butt down in front of my kids, turned around and asked my two elementary kids why they hated blacks? (She said the n word). I had to get up and ask the lady to move but not before cussing at me and scaring everyone on the train.

What you want is limited commuter options that help many get to and from the suburbs to downtown 5 days a week. That's cool.

Mass transit is buses and trains 7 days a week that will allow the riff raff easy access .

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If you want mass transit in Fayette County vote for Logsdon

It's that simple.

If you think mass transit in the county is a bad idea then vote for Brown.

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That is highlarious...

Keep the laughs coming...

Neither one of these guys could get mass transit here if they tried...

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Come on, now, Spy and robinson

Jack Smith, in his position on the ARC, voted to bring mass transit to Fayette County, said that he didn't, then said, "Well I was just one vote." He also said that he voted for it "in case we want it in the future." It did appear on the ARC Plan for our county. I saw the map.

We all know that Robert W. Morgan doesn't have much respect for old ladies (this one in particular). But, come on now, would you really want to see your little old grey haired mamas going to and from the grocery store on a MARTA bus? Would those buses stop at the driveway of each senior citizen? Would there be a monitor on the buses who would carry a senior's groceries up the driveway and into the house?

Since Mr. Logsdon brought up the issue of "transportation initiatives" for seniors, he should certainly tell us how he intends to bring his initiative about and how it will play out.

Come on now, if your mama called and said, "Son, I need to go to the grocery store," would you really say, "Well, Mom just go get on the bus?"

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I stand by my statement...

Seriously..

I am out until Monday at least..

Happy Mother's Day!

I miss mine dearly....

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That's exactly what I'm talking about...

...but it gets muddled up in the tea party fear express of "mass transit = crime" paranoia.

No actual solutions like what I'm proposing here come up in discussions about transportation.

Perhaps, however, there is a candidate willing to talk about it...

We must find a way to address the needs of an aging population, which includes improving local transportation for seniors and disabled, and create lifelong communities that appeal to residents, young and old, that foster healthy lifestyles, convenient access to shopping, entertainment and healthcare.

We must work with the state to advance transportation initiatives that work for Fayette County citizens.

Do you wonder who said these things? Harold Logsdon did.

And Don Haddix and I have actually talked about this same concept. He seems to support it too.

Now I'm not saying that my ideas are Harold's or Don's - I just fleshed this out waiting for my laundry to finish while watching Point Break on VH-1. I'm sure their ideas are different, and I, for one, would rather see them versus what Steve Brown presents as "issues"....oh wait, he just wants to let everybody talk and throw out platitudes without actual positions....but don't listen to me, I'm a "liberal"!

So, I've already voted. I hope that others see Steve's "issues" and misdirection like we've seen them over the past decade and choose accordingly.

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mrobinson has said that Harold Logsdon ....

said, "We must find a way to address the needs of an aging population, which includes improving local transportation, etc......

However, Mr. Logsdon and mrobinson have failed to say what he proposes to do about this perceived situation other than, "We must work with the state to advance transportation initiatives that work for Fayette County citizens."

If these "transportation initiatives" include mass transit (MARTA), this "old lady" is totally against that particular initiative. I was born and raised with the support of MARTA. I've seen first hand what happens to communities, bus drivers, old ladies, old men, and young people who use and live along MARTA lines. As a young college student, my daughter decided it would be more economical to take MARTA to school than to drive her car. Within the first two weeks, she had been accosted and mugged. When she reported one of the incidents to the MARTA Police, she returned to her car in the parking lot to find that her car had been vandalized (slashed tires).

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The FC Tea Party

Is a bunch of political zealots. They go overboard with all their ideas. That's why us normal folks don't get involved.

Look at the group and the personalities (or lack there of). Ross, Barlow, zealot, zealot

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Mass transit - Logsdon ......... No mass transit - Brown

This is pretty easy.

If you don't like farmers, white people, pilots, people over age 45, Republicans, tea party but love mass transit - vote for LOGSDON

If you're OK having farmers, white people, pilots, people over age 45, Republicans, tea party people around and you oppose buses in Fayette - vote for BROWN

Steve Brown is your inclusive guy and doesn't mind a few farmers, pilots and Republicans hanging around.

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Yep, a mass transit hater

I responded to a post where you tried to justified mass transit with numbers. I asked you to provide actual numbers to further support your position. I guess you can't so you respond with logic like we waste money on other programs so why not do it here? And trying to use the military and medicare to justify mass transit, come on!! It doesn't matter if we're mass transit haters, all that matters is will we use it. Did they use it in Clayton county? Why did that system go broke? And you totally ignored the crime issue. You just say that it shouldn't bring any crime in. If all you want is a shuttle bus to work, buy one and charge people to ride in with you. By your logic you should get rich.

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Numbers...

Earl, you're right on target. I don't have numbers on crime on shuttle buses, as I don't know of any. I'm sure there are plenty on "mass transit", but that's using full size buses and trains.

I'm not trying to use the military and medicare to justify mass transit; I'm making a point that government subsidizes lots of stuff.

C-TRAN did cost too much, and the government made a decision to shut it down, and now, magically, it's going to be put on the ballot to be funded again by a tax increase. They may even get MARTA!

As far as getting rich, is that the point in life? Let's play this out with a very simplified example:

A 25 seat bus costs about $75,000. Let's say they travel 80 miles a day (40 into the City, 40 back to Fayette County). For 55 gallons of gas at a MPG of 10, it would cost about $220 a week, or $44 a day, to fuel it. For 25 people, that costs about $1.75 cents to pay for gas on it per person. Assuming a 10% cost of other maintenance per year ($7,500 for oil changes, emergencies, tires, etc. per year), the cost per passenger per day would for full funding would be around $3 a round trip per day, 5 days a week.

So, in 8 years, the total cost of the bus and gas is $146,440. If it's $3 a round trip per day for 25 users, in 8 years, the amount funded is $156,000 paid, so the bus makes a profit, and the people riding the bus get to save $16,000 each versus sitting in their cars every day.

Again, using my $60 per week SUV example earlier, I'd be saving $45 a week in gas and at least $100 to $150 per year in maintenance on my SUV. Over the course of a year, that's over $2,000 I'm saving - MORE THAN my property tax bill I'd save because of this decision! 25 people in similar circumstances would save a total of $50,000 a year. The bus turns a profit for those that ride it in year two. Oh, and no one would be paid to drive the bus - one of the 25 would need to drive it in my example.

For a million dollars a the first year, we could buy 10 buses that last 8 years.

And 250 cars aren't on the road during the rush hours. You could also use the buses during the day to transport seniors to medical appointments and others throughout the County - I've sometimes wondered why the school system doesn't do that with all of the buses they have idling during the day.

You're absolutely right - you don't make money on it at all. Is transportation a service needed by citizens inside this county?

Now, your turn - how much are the intersection improvements going to cost, and what will we save with that in terms of actual dollars in fuel and car maintenance costs? Or will it just make it easier for the tractor-trailers that are clogging up the intersection with the explosion of growth in the area? Hmmm.....what's the agenda there?

It's local to Fayette County, where we make our own decisions. It's self sufficient after seven years per bus with 100% ridership, so it's in our best interest to keep the buses full.

It's a silly pipe dream, I know, and not based on reality, but it's at least another perspective.

Please, shut out mass transit entirely, though.

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mrobinson: Stop making sense already

Anything with the word "bus" attached means MASS TRANSIT/MARTA/CRIME! Get your FC bonafides in order before you suggest such blasphemy.

Haddix and his very few supporters were firm believers in the concept that people shouldn't be commuting and that there needs to be more high-paying jobs in FC. Hey, I'd be in favor of that too, but the reality is that the majority of the workers in FC are indeed commuting and they'll be commuting for a long time if they are waiting on those magical "high paying jobs" to fall out of the sky and land in FC, particularly the industrial park in PTC that is starting to resemble a ghost town.

There is this really big airport I hear tell about somewhere not too far away from FC. I wonder if anyone in FC works there and has to commute to get there? Hmmm.....

Commuter busing like what GRTA does can definitely work without all the downsides of MARTA. You don't have to have a big rail station or bus stops to do it either. I checked with what GRTA XPress offers out of Coweta and it unfortunately wouldn't work for my schedule, but it's what we need a lot more of, IMO. MARTA? Hell no. Commuter buses that can be parked in shopping centers to gather passengers and drop them off, sure.

I have also wondered about why the school system doesn't use all their idle buses during the day, but I imagine there might be liability issues involved as well as having to maybe retro-fit them to accommodate those who have medical issues and seniors.

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Is who pays the point?
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You could also use the buses during the day to transport seniors to medical appointments and others throughout the County - I've sometimes wondered why the school system doesn't do that with all of the buses they have idling during the day.

This would actually be a good idea if Fayette Senior Services weren't already doing it. My argument is against mass transit. If all you want is one shuttle bus to meet your needs then you have several options.

1. Get a group together and contact one of the local charter bus/limo companies and set it up.

2. Buy one and run it yourself.

3. Contact a local hotel and see if you could piggy back on their shuttle service buses for a fee.

We don't always need the government to hold our hands. Unless you want the taxpayers to foot the bill for you?

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Taxpayers foot the bill...

...for so many things now. I presented an idea that could be considered, but I think we all know that there's an element here that a non-government entity would want: PROFIT.

Providing a service without need for profit is, sometimes, what government does. Even Fayette Senior Services gets government funding for what they're able to do.

It's the role of government to ask the questions, is this a service we should do? It should at least be considered, not thrown out like trash or clouded in fear.

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Free Ride

I'm good with paying taxes to help those that can't help themselves. You sir just want a free ride.

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mrobinson wants us to subsidize his ride to work and back!!! No!

Instead of us paying for your bus ride to work why don't you buy a moped that get 160 miles to the gallon and ride that to work. It'll be cheaper for all of us!!!

That kind of crazy thinking has our federal government trillions of dollars in debt.

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Yes mrobinson you are the problem

Move to Atlanta if that's where you work and stop complaining!!! From what I've read you don't like farmers, pilots, Republicans, white people and people over 45 so move. You'd love Clayton or Fulton where they don't have so many farmers, pilots, Republicans, white people and people over 45.

They are big on buying buses too!!

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Complaining...

I'm not complaining - I'm calling out agendas and special interests.

I actually have no issue with farmers. Someone who owns 20 acres, however, is a rarely even a gentleman farmer and certainly should not be considered a real farmer. One could suggest they're just isolationists.

Republicans are fine. Tea Party extremists, or extremists in any manner, are troublesome to me.

White people are fine. Some of my best friends are white people :)

People over 45 are also fine. Again, the point is lost - it wasn't an attack so much on that category, but those who associate with the Tea Party extremist philosophies in our County most specificially. It's the slant I have an issue with, not the issues. So little actual consideration given to other views, so much fear, blame and misdirection - that appears to be the prism through which this group sees, and a professional politician is their poster boy this election.

Oh, and pilots are fine too - somebody has to fly the plane.

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Actually, I don't...

right now, I drive a fuel efficient car, so I'm a part of the problem of gridlock. I actually spend far less than the scenario I present, but the scenario I present is quite typical for those who work in Atlanta. Some take MARTA, some drive alone, some carpool.

I subsidize Medicare, don't I? That's obviously a money loser, so we should eliminate that entirely, right.

But, please, shift the focus from your candidate and on to me.

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"Mass Transit Incident?"

ECW! ECW! ECW!

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East Coast Wrestling?

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ECW is...

Extreme Championship Wrestling. The "Mass Transit" incident was a situation where an inexperienced hack with little actual training and ability volunteered and got in way over his head and got beat up very badly by the professionals. Sounds a lot like the current election climate.

OK, really, I'm done now, at least until the next time :)

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Glad somebody caught that...

...this....is....EXTREME politicking!

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Frustrated Republicans?

You think a guy in favor of district voting and was the NAACP Man of The Year is a "republican?" Yes, he is now, once he determined there was no way in hell he could ever win another election in FC without doing a complete 180. Anything for votes and let's kiss the ring of Harold Bost Hogg.

The way Brown changes his opinion on everything whenever it is expedient(or thinks it is) for him politically, what do you think his views would be if he was running in District 5(the new, gerrymandered one) as opposed to District 3?

The last PTC elections were pretty easy: anything to get rid of Haddix plus getting Mike King and Terry Ernst. Gee, just like when Brown was running for re-election in PTC, who'd of thunk it? You do a terrible job and people don't vote for you, amazing. For FC District 3, not as easy for voters who bother to pay attention.

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Because you do Nuk!!!

You do support Logsdon even though you can't give any good reasons why you do. You wouldn't being ripping at Brown so badly if you were not supporting Logsdon.

You know if you're going by the record on what each has done that Brown wins every time. The only way you can get Logsdon in with his horrible record is push Brown off the cliff. And you're not doing such a good job!!!

Maybe you and mrobinson can carpool so we don't have to buy him a bus.

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Why do you keep saying I support Logsdon?

Just because I likely will vote for him over Brown or Haddix is hardly what I call a ringing "endorsement" or "support." It basically means I think he's the lesser of 3 evils. I could just vote for Cyclist like I did when Brown ran against Jack Smith, a race where neither candidate deserved to win anything. Smith by his record and Brown by his own also.

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Republican Primary

The breakfast and dinners at the new Republican Headquarters is the place to be seen if you are running for political office. While the building was under renovations, my husband and I volunteered to help with some of the work. We really had fun working with all the other volunteers. We all scrapped floors, plastered, painted, laid carpet, and cleaned. While many politicians like to dress up and attend our events, only a few showed up for the dirty work of getting the place ready. The reason my husband and I have so much respect for Steve Brown was that he was one of the ones who got dirty doing the hard work. Brown showed up with his always upbeat attitude and his tools. He laid tile on the bathroom floors, put all the baseboard molding on, and did so many other jobs as well. He made quite a positive impression on us.
Stop by the first Saturday morning of each month, have breakfast with Republican friends who are making a positive difference in Fayette County.

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Republican Primary

The breakfast and dinners at the new Republican Headquarters is the place to be seen if you are running for political office. While the building was under renovations, my husband and I volunteered to help with some of the work. We really had fun working with all the other volunteers. We all scrapped floors, plastered, painted, laid carpet, and cleaned. While many politicians like to dress up and attend our events, only a few showed up for the dirty work of getting the place ready. The reason my husband and I have so much respect for Steve Brown was that he was one of the ones who got dirty doing the hard work. Brown showed up with his always upbeat attitude and his tools. He laid tile on the bathroom floors, put all the baseboard molding on, and did so many other jobs as well. He made quite a positive impression on us.
Stop by the first Saturday morning of each month, have breakfast with Republican friends who are making a positive difference in Fayette County.

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NUK_1, What is America All About?

Now that Steve Brown and our other BOC members are in charge, citizen comments are welcomed during the commission meetings.

Former commissions did their best to squelch "Public Comments."

Our current commissioners want to know what the citizens have to say about how the county is being run. If ten citizens stand up during the commission meetings and voice the same opinion, that tells our commissioners that ten people are either for or against an issue. If 45 people stand up and all voice the same opinion, that gives them even more information.

During the time that the WFB was of great concern, members of the West Fayetteville Bypass Coalition recognized that if we put 150 speakers up during the Public Comment portion of the commission meetings we would just be alienating the commission. Therefore, we put up one speaker. Our speaker asked that our group silently stand so that the commissioners could see how many people supported our cause. The chairman of the board, screamed at us to sit down before we were completely out of our seats.

Some commissions don't want to know what citizens have to say about anything.

We are all very fortunate to live in this country where our ancestors fought for our rights. Our young servicemen and women are still fighting and dying to protect our rights. They are also fighting and dying for citizens in countries that don't have any rights. That is what America is all about.

If we didn't have freedom of speech, you and I wouldn't have the opportunity to voice our opinions here.

I'm not a public speaker by any means. However, I'm extremely grateful for my right to speak my mind.

Four years ago the voters of Fayette County elected two commissioners who promised they would fight for the rights of all citizens to speak during commission meetings. Steve Brown and Allen McCarty kept that promise. Randy Ognio, Chuck Oddo, and David Barlow were elected two years ago and have honored the same commitment to Fayette citizens.

I know that you, RWM, and others delight in trying to make some of us look like fools. That is your right, if that is what y'all choose to do. But, is it necessary to quibble over freedom of speech?

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Freedom of speech?

Yep, taken straight from the usual Don Haddix/Steve Brown playbook....mention "freedom of speech" and go nuts over not being able to say anything without any consequences.

Neither Haddix nor Brown have any understanding of the 1st Amendment at all. Sorry to see you don't either. Getting up and blathering on and on and on at a public meeting isn't "freedom of speech." It appears in your folks' minds to be the inherent right to basically say "me too" for 10mins after 10 other clowns said the exact same thing before. It doesn't.

Oh, and don't dare criticize someone you disagree with because they were somehow exercising their "free speech rights" that grants immunity from criticism? Haddix was the attempted king of that tactic as has been Brown. You don't want heat or blow-back and you're a politician running-off at the mouth on something like being heavily in favor of district voting or why people get mad at your constant attacks on everyone who might disagree with you? Tough.

Where are all the Haddixites? I know he at least scrounged up a tiny 2% or so last election. Seems like all of his buddies like Josh Bloom migrated to Steve Brown.

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Josh Bloom is right

I also attended those same meetings. Those previous commissioners tried time and again to reduce public comment speakers to nothing. Steve Brown stood up for the entire county and defended our rights. He didn't win any friends in Frady, Horgan, and Hearn, but that wasn't his goal. He wanted to protect the citizens' right to speak.

The commission prior to Mr. Frady's chairmanship was just as bad. I was with a group of citizens who just wanted to silently stand for one brief second to show the commission how many people were there in support of our position regarding the WFB. The chairman screamed at us to sit down when we were half way out of our chairs. The member of our group who was speaking and requesting that we stand had been very respectful in his comments and request.

I am extremely leery of what some have described as "quiet government." Some folks here have said that it is not "professional" or "dignified" for candidates or public officials to converse with citizens here. I disagree.

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All of the other FC Commissioners were at the Whitewater Creek meeting I commented about last year. Jim Pace only acknowledged Steve Brown and Mayor Greg Clifton for their rolls in getting Pinewood to select Fayette County for their new studio.

In my opinion, that should speak for itself, but I'm sure the Logsdon bloggers will never be happy with anything Steve has done for the benefit of Fayette County citizens.

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I can also attest to that

In fact, I can tell you the meeting was in May because I remember bringing my new born son and having to stand in the back of the pavilion watching the presentation. I believe Senator Ronnie Chance was there also who made a speech along with several other people.

Mr. Pace certainly acknowledged Commissioner Brown in his role for bringing Pinewood Studios to Fayette County.

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americanpatriots - thanks

Thanks again

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Mr. Brown has gained the respect of many county officials within the ARC as well as many outside our region when he exposed the Regional T-SPLOST and MARTA'S involvement for the lopsided project it was.

We are a small county within the ARC and we need someone who is strong and will represents us. A man made of steel and velvet and we have that combination in Steve Brown.

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What I said was correct.

I initiated the change of land planning with the Fayetteville site, what is now Pinewood. The first meeting was with Matt Forshee and Randy Hayes. Next, the three of us met with Mayor Clifton and Joe Morton. All agreed with my desire to convert the land planning designation to like what it is now (that was pre-Pinwood).

A very short while later, when Pinewood turned the Peachtree City site down, Matt took them to the new site considering the new designation and they liked it. The rest is the history we are currently making.

And yes, again. I was discussing movie studios with developers before Pinewood came into the picture. The now famous "Panda Express" lunch with the Promaker Development guys, drafting ideas on a napkin, was the precursor to landing the Pinewood deal. We all joke that we wish we had kept the napkin and had it framed.

"Higher government channel" means the regional government (ARC and GA DCA).

Hope that helps.

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You have to take the entire situation in its proper context. First that area was going to be full of more residential units and more big box shopping centers and the low paying jobs that come with that under the plan that existed. I proposed, and others in leadership agreed, that was a horrible waste of valuable land resources that had the right mix of characteristics for much better development. With Pinewood Studios in place, I would say we were right.

The construction of the WFB did nothing for our commutes and causes us to loose any leverage we would have had in controlling certain types of development.

I still believe in slow growth and preserving the rural character of the county. Look at how we worked on the design of the Pinewood facility. We have 70-foot tall buildings, large structures and you can barely see them just as we planned it. You keep the character and get high paying jobs and more tax revenue.

I did cancel Phase III of the West Fayetteville Bypass and would have stopped Phase II, but the majority in power approved all the contracts before they left office. There are still over a dozen property owners who got bypass built on their property and have no money for it because the previous Board of Commissioners had the audacity to build BEFORE condemnation.

My conversations with FCDA and Fayetteville about changing the land planning made the area better, more profitable for the land owners and adds good job and great revenue.

Just call Mayor Clifton and ask him if we had the meeting. I do not have time to go back and look the dates up.