Fayette School Board budget talks: Expenses still outstrip revenues by $14 million

New proposals by Fayette Schools Superintendent Jeff Bearden would cut up to $4.4 million in a proposed budget where expenses will still exceed revenues by more than $14 million, but it will leave $5.7 million in the bank to help offset the certain shortages that will continue in 2012.

The Fayette County Board of Education held another budget work session May 31 in an attempt to reconcile the FY 2011-2012 budget that, as presented a week earlier, would leave the school system with expenses exceeding revenues by $19 million and wiping out the fund balance to do it, all while there is no end in sight to the recession.

Bearden at the May 24 meeting recommended a General Fund budget that included $189,070,871 in expenses and $170,228,865 in revenues, a difference of $18.84 million.

That shortfall could be made up by using the expected June 30 fund balance of $19,139,574, thereby resulting in a June 30, 2012 fund balance of $297,568.

Bearden in addressing the proposed budget added that, if adopted, his intention would be to then have the board begin meeting this summer for the FY 2012-2013 school year that begins in July 2012 to make significant cuts that could amount to approximately $15 million.

But that did not occur May 24 since three of the five board members wanted to have the budget numbers re-worked so that some of the cuts could be potentially made for the upcoming school year rather than making all the cuts 12 months from now.

Voicing that opinion were Marion Key and Bob Todd and Sam Tolbert, with Tolbert suggesting that Bearden look at the potential for cutting approximately $9 million out of the proposed budget. Board members Janet Smola and Terri Smith supported Bearden’s recommendation.

Bearden returned May 31 with a two-part proposal that cut more than $900,000 from the original proposal or one that would cut $4.4 million in expenses. The proposal came from two large budget categories: administration and personnel.

Bearden proposed $916,458 in cuts from a number of administrative line items and/or a $3.44 million cut by reducing the school year by two student days and five days overall. Those specific days would need to be worked out if the proposal meets with board approval, Bearden said.

Expenses under the first option would be $188,154,413 while the expenses after the administrative and school calendar cuts in the second option would total $184,712,413. Revenues projections remained unchanged at $170,228,865.

So “option one” would translate into a budget where expenses exceed revenues by $17,925,548 and “option two” would result in a budget where expenses would exceed revenues by $14,483,548.

Comptroller Laura Brock reported that the expected June 30 fund balance, as of the May 31 payroll, would be $20,227,919. Under “option one” the year ending fund balance on June 30, 2012 would be $2.302 million while the balance under “option two” would be $5.744 million.

Even if the board adopts the “option two” recommendation with its June 30, 2012 fund balance of $5.7 million in the checking account, the FY 2012-2013 school year could easily see an additional $10-20 million in expenses exceeding revenues that will come to bear in that school year.

That exact amount will not be known for some time and is something that the school board will have to address quickly, as Bearden and board members have said, based on what we know now about the state and local economy and what local and state economic forecasters expect to occur in the next two or more years.

The school board will continue budget discussions at the June 7 work session.

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Public Schools is at it's very nature Socialistic

There is no "RIGHT" to an education. A social contract maybe but it's not a right.

It's just another form of re-distributive wealth. A family with one child or NO children pays the exact same thing in taxes as a family with 5 or more.

So a responsible productive member of society ends up paying for the receipiant class yet again.

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There's no "right" to paved roads either.

But I would think the majority of us 'mericans think they are good for the whole.

Now are there better ways to handle things, sure. I just don't see shutting down schools/busses etc as suggested by some below as the way to go.

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Spy: roads

You are correct, no right to roads!

But we elect to go Socialist for roads, don't we?

Wouldn't have any otherwise, would we?

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Spyglass and Roundabout,

Spyglass and Roundabout, careful now, paved roads isn’t OofU’s strong suit. He has one of those all electric cars and doesn’t have to pay a gasoline tax.

He relies on:

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… responsible productive members of society … paying for the recipient class yet again…

8 - )

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On a positive note, my property taxes in Dekalb county

have dropped by 2 thirds this year.

They will probably lay off more firefighters to try and make up the difference.

If they eliminate all other county services altogether they will still have to cut the school system budget.

Get ready Fayette county this is what's coming.

Parents may have to start walking their kids to school and delivering them lunches at meal time.

By then you will be happy to home school them on a computer.

This recession is not over.

Not by a long shot.

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BHH

Let's look at a few of your statements the last few days
1. You say the West Fayetteville bypass is just to help traffic in PTC.
2. You're jealous of librarians pay and think a third grader can do their job.
3. You seem to think I'm black and robbed a pizza place.
4. You also think I'm a cop. (Which is it?)
5.In the same post where you call me a cop, you call cops bullies.
6. You think the school kids should stay home and learn on the computer.
7.

BHH wrote:

It's all in fun. There's no real embarrassment if you don't know each other. I would never treat anyone that way in person unless they deserved it like hutch.

On this one we'll never know will we?

Take it somewhere else, I thought I was talking to a grown up man, not a little boy, my mistake. BTW, this man crush you seem to have developed on me is pretty creepy, so stop it. Go taunt a cop, or maybe you can find one of those rich librarians to pick on.

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hutch, I apologize, I thought you were

just a silly soccer mom or a black female cop from Riverdale or something.

I had know idea you were a guy. You're right a man crush would be creepy.

Look, I know you are in reality a nice person. So you show a little more respect for my opinions and I'll try to stop tearing you down in front of your friends here.

You just make it so darn appealing.

Seriously though, get your testosterone level checked. If it is low that would explain a lot and it is treatable.

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Okay, here's the short answer.
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More serious creative thinking might eliminate the need

for buses and classrooms altogether. Ever hear of telecommuting?

In this computer age we could be on the verge of government sponsored home schooling for the masses.

All we need is for the parents to get on board and take the responsibility of educating their children and the government would follow suit.

It's probably still a hundred years away.

No need for us to worry about it, huh?

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Government Sponsored Home Schooling for the masses

is already available in the state of GA. It's called Georgia Virtual Academy. It is publicly funded throughout the state with tax dollars. For those that meet income requirements it provides internet connection and a computer. They assign a state certified teacher to your child. All books and materials (except for consumables like paper and pencil) are shipped straight to your door. No need for buses or buildings or school kitchens feeding sugared up chocolate/strawberry/vanilla milk. Yes, adults who have chosen to have kids will have to rearrange their schedules but it is totally worth it! The kids don't have wasted time during the day and they have plenty of time for recreation. They still have to take the state CRCT to meet federal guidelines for NCLB, and my child met or exceeded every area, so it must be working... And at half the cost per pupil! Imagine no more budget problems! For approx $3,500 per kid vs. approx $7,000 per kid.

And since there is no government law that I know if which says we MUST provide childcare (like basic education), I say the entire state should go virtual and fix the state budget while we're at it!

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But, wouldn't we....

...........HAVE IDIOTS TEACHING THE DUMB IN A LOT OF CASES?

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Round

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..........HAVE IDIOTS TEACHING THE DUMB IN A LOT OF CASES?

Please clarify: Georgia's certified teachers are idiots? Children whose parents meet a certain economic criteria are 'dumb'?

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Roundabout, wait until you

Roundabout, wait until you see the marching band. 8 - )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIH_Tkbl10&feature=related

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Gort

Now that kid has leadership potential!! He sees a need - and he meets it. He has the charisma to get the support of the crowd!! Thanks for sharing! LOL!

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D_Mom, now just imagine the

D_Mom, now just imagine the same young man, and many others, trained in a proper school.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDW61Wm73AM&feature=related

What do you think, is the difference worth the effort?

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Thanks for sharing that! Outstanding! Every child should have an opportunity to be a part of an outstanding performance program. I hope Newnan is not considering cutting their band program. I thought I was watching a Disney production! (I think that young man would thrive at Newnan High)

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4 real, well there you have it.

Thank you so much.

Let's get more parents on board with this program.

Of course they may have to make some hard choices while the children are growing up.

But that is a parents real job, isn't it?

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Might work for 10% or less of the parents in the USA!

All won't study by the fireplce for light as Lincoln did.

So all those 5-10 year olds just loafed around the house all day until Mom got home ands gave them and hour's worth of lessons about Jesus.

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roundabout, where was mom in those days if not home?

For home school of any kind to work the parents have to take responsibility and probably stay home more of the time.

It would solve SO MANY problems if children could be educated at home via computer.

No fire place needed.

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BHH, are you sure you are not Roundabout, Bonkers etc under

still another name? As you know from my previous entries, I am totally behind our fire and police personnel. Having said that, I cannot figure why you take the position you do on so many things. One of your postings her said you worked your long shift at FD then went to second job and you wife worked part-time at school cafeteria. Evidently since both of you were working, your children were not home schooled. Why would you assume the life of parents today is so much different from yours? Seems neither you nor your wife were making Starbuck stops or playing tennis--why assume all others are. All of us could find some tax frivolous or unnecessary, i.e., road tax for non-driver, school tax for childless couple, tax for senior services (resented by those who never intend to get old) and on and on. I doubt if there is any way to make everyone happy unless it is to cut out all taxes and let everyone fend for themselves, but then look at the jobs that would be lost, etc. But that does make as much sense as some of what you propose. I almost hope you are Roundabout and not someone who really has your views.

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The subject is that there is not enough money to meet the budget

I just offered a quick, effective and tax free solution. Then I find myself getting attacked from all sides by belligerent parents. So I defend myself with my reasons for taking these positions.

It all has nothing to do with how we were able to do these things in the past. This is a different era. We need innovation and new methods, not just more money thrown at the situations.

I'm all for educating the children in a cost affective way.

But I'm not for worshiping the children, teachers and the education process.

You can put all your effort and money into education and everyone standing in the unemployment and welfare lines will have their degrees in hand.

Then when the tax money and food runs out they can eat the paper the degrees are printed on. But what then?

Someone needs to present some new logic that applies to cost effective solutions.

And the only way to do that seems to be to get people fired up enough to act.

If these parents think they are going to have to spend more time and money of their own then maybe they will come up with some solutions that better fit the situation.

But as long as people continue to sit back and let them raise taxes and spend them frivolously then they will do just that.

Besides, they want apply user fees to everything else.

Why not busing.

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BHH, let me see if I

BHH, let me see if I understand you correctly. Parent(s), with children of school age, should quit their day jobs and stay home to educate their children using the internet. Is that correct?

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Gort, I don't care if they take the kids to the day job.

It's up to them how they work out their schedule.

I'm just offering some creative ideas to cut taxes for the majority of us who don't have children in school.

Most parents just seem to want a baby sitter so they can go about their daily schedule uninhibited by the kids.

Children need education and apparently so do parents.

Creativity is an acquired trait.

So work on it.

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BHH, don’t get the wrong

BHH, don’t get the wrong idea. I’m all for creativity but a creative solution has to be at least workable to a significant majority of people.

Parents can’t quit their jobs or bring their children to work with them. You just can’t hook a child up to a computer and say learn. It’s just not practical or possible.

What I really don’t understand is, you can apply for an exemption on the school tax starting when you’re 62 and you still complain.

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Go ahead and jump..

Do us all a favor on this subject.

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Spy, there's no easy answer.

It's taken decades to get into this dilemma.

The simplest thing to do is get back to basics and that doesn't include the luxuries of subsidized meals and free transportation.

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BHH

Easy to see that once your kids were out of school, you begrudge the taxes, your solutions aren't creative, just more of the same BS you always post on here.

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hutch, the subject at hand is a shortfall in taxes.

Any fool can see that school taxes have forever been triple that of the entire needs of the rest of government.

And for what?

Not better education.

Just better babysitting for longer hours so that parents can can have the convenience of putting on a little more make up and stopping at Starbucks before work.

That and more school system employees with full time pay and great benefits for part time jobs.

Well the gravy train has come to an end.

It's time for parents and teachers to bite the bullet and get with the program.

People are loosing their homes, jobs, retirements and other assets.

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BHH

Did your kids go to public schools, do your grand kids? When you were waiting for a raise for fighting fires were you so concerned about taxes? The fact is you've got yours and now you don't want to pay like everyone else has, as long as you've got yours. I'm sorry people are "loosing"(sic) their jobs and homes, but your solutions aren't creative, just mean spirited. As for the part time employment of the teachers, I guess you worked five days straight every week right? Is that how you did it?

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hutch, these are tough times for everyone.

Busing kids to school stunk then and it stinks now.

Raises came while the economy was growing.

They didn't while it was not.

My job was 53 hrs a week for 15 of that 30yrs with no accounting for overtime, which was not compensated for in any way for about the first 15 yrs of 56 hr plus weeks.

In addition to that I works at least 30 to 40 hrs a week at part time jobs most years just so my wife could attend to the kids needs. Hell, she even worked for a great deal of those years part time in the school cafeterias.

Librarians have made more than firefighters for as long as I can remember, for God's sake.

So don't lecture me, just let the parents get their sorry butts busy and take a life lesson for a change.

It's the jerks like you that start any mean spirit.

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BHH: 53 hours per week?

Was that 53 hours two 24 hour days out of 7 days, plus a few more hours every month?

With a bunk and food in house?

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Roundy, a 24 hr shift equals

16 hrs in one day and 8 hr the next day and then you are off 1 day, with no scheduled breaks. With a calender you can figure how many days out of 7 that is as it varies.

Meals are catch as catch can and not free, although sometimes Burger King and few others will offer firefighters half price.

This shift equals approximately 33% cost savings to the county or city over a conventional work schedule.

In a busy house the bunk is seldom seen and little more than a taunt.

Especially when you have to be at work at another job the next morning.

Not all fire services are as sleepy as PTC's volunteer service, although I'm sure the paid members there give you more than your money's worth. So don't make the mistake that fools like hutch make in assuming that all firefighter jobs and pensions are a gravy train.

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BHH: ??

Is that 16 hours in one day and 8 hours the next 24 straight hours paid for?

Couldn't you just say you work 24 hours straight and get paid for 3 days?

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roundy,it's a heck of a lot more complicated than it seems.

And I'm not sure I can explain it without visual aids.

The job is based on a monthly wage and not really subject to overtime requirements of jobs in the public sector. It continuously changes with the political winds. Similar to schools and educators funding.

Firefighters love their work. They couldn't do the job if they didn't. That's why people will volunteer for the work. It's like an addiction in your blood. The municipalities prey on this fact.

It's not just about hrs on duty. Most people have a complete misconception of the job. No amount of money can compensate for the emotional toll it takes on some of us and our families. This compares to war vets who come home with critical incident stress disorders.

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BHH: It is NOT complicated!

The powers that be consider it would cause more questions to explain it that it is to "Punt" everytime asked.

All know that fireman have a lot of time off due to spending 24 hours at the station. That is why they can do other things for several days at a time.

You only work about 7 or 8 twenty-four hour shifts a month, correct?

Means you average about 180 hours a month at the fire house on duty. (7-8 days).

Takes a lot of shifts to cover the station 24/7, or very few on duty at any given time, right.

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roundabout, my understanding of it is clear or it was when I was

working the schedule. I just don't think I can explain it to you in the detail you seem to want.

I also don't know what may have changed in the 6 yrs since I retired.

Then it was work 9-24 hr shifts and get 1-24hr liberty day. That still seems to average to more than 9 shifts a month. Of course there were annual and sick leave hrs and holidays none of which were based on a 24 hr shift but an 8 hr day. So it would take 3 times as much leave time to be off 1 full shift as any 8 hr a day employee.

If you're considering becoming a firefighter I'll get the phone number of someone who can explain it to your satisfaction. If not I'd just as soon not go any further with the explanation for fear of misinformation.

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BHH

I notice you never answered any of my questions, so let me tell you what a jerk really is, it's someone who avails himself of society's perks until his kids are grown and out of school, and then wants to deny anyone else of the privilege's he's enjoyed through out his life, I'm assuming you're a product of public schools. Please tell me whats so bad about riding a bus? I rode one for years when in school, my wife did and so did my kid, no adverse affects. The fact is you're just a cheap bastard that will suck the public tit, then turn around and deny the same thing to someone else. I'll lecture as I see fit, but hey, your only choice is to listen, or read as the case may be, or not, but I'm here, so deal with it.

So tell me dip, did your kids go to public schools, maybe your grandkids? Do your kids take your grandkids to school, somehow you forgot to mention that. Did your kids eat lunch at school, do your grandkids? Is there some reason why you look down on Librarians? Are they less of a person then firefighters? I believe a librarian needs a degree to be a librarian, what degree do you need to be a fireman?

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Forgive me hutch.

For thinking you could pick up on the implied answer to your first question.

My kids went to private schools for as long as we could afford them and then to public schools and the same for my grand kids.

I never rode a school bus as a child and can't say about my wife.

I'm not against public schools or buses.

I just think you should have to provide for your own child's transportation and not the rest of the tax payers.

Children are completely unsupervised on the school bus and all age groups mix so the younger children are exposed to things that the older kids say and do under no supervision or discretion. Then the parents wonder why and where the young children learned the things they shouldn't know.

For the most part the buses only serve to lengthen the child's day for the benefit of the parent and to the detriment of the child.

"The fact is you're just a cheap bastard that will suck the public tit, then turn around and deny the same thing to someone else." This quote only proves my point about your mean spirit and similarly defines you as the jerk here.

Some of my grand kids ride a bus and some don't. Some public schools, some private. I'm sure they must eat lunch. I have no problem with their parents providing for their transportation or lunch.

Librarians do a fine job but it doesn't take a college degree to do an entry level library job even though it may be required before hiring. I was doing librarian work in the third grade. It's cataloging and helping others find what they are looking for.

Education requirements for firefighters are steadily increasing and most of the job is continuing education much of which is college credit.

I would guess that most firefighters after one year of service are better educated than you seem to be.

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BHH

You were the first one to get personal, so if the game gets too rough for you, take your whining somewhere else.

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Hutch, really?

It must have been on a different subject line.

Because from a review of these you were the first to call my postings BS and accuse me of a mean spirit.

That sounds pretty darn personal to me.

Anyway, don't try to argue with someone until you get a leg to stand on.

Then you won't be inclined to resort to the insulting behavior you must have learned on the school bus as a kid.

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BHH

Aren't you the sensitive little flower, like I said, if it's too tough for you here, then leave.

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I guess I was wrong about you hutch.

All that bad behavior you learned on the school bus is going to be harder for you to overcome than I gave you credit for.

Try this.

Every time you feel the urge to be insulting just stand on your head and hold you breath until you pass out.

Then when you awaken it will all have passed.

If that doesn't work then get back to me. I have a few more suggestion you may try.

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You ride the same bus?

You referring to responses like this one?

"TinCan idiot. If this logic is applied to Brown then it can
be applied to anyone."

You have suggested a great solution when you again get the urge.

The HH doesn't stand for Hole Harry does it?

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Hey Tin

I believe he was on the short bus.

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Hutch, I apologized to TinCan but I'm waiting for you to come

get your mom and siblings out from under my porch.

She keeps trying to bite the mailman.

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Bhh

So you really want to get personal, most of us on here leave the families out of the insults, but I'll make you a deal, you want to talk about my family, do it to my face tough guy. You can say what you want about me, and to me, but drag my relatives into it and you've gone to far. Put up or shut up you orifice.

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Hutch, I didn't mean to insult your family.

They are all just as cute and lovable as can be.

You seem to be the only turd in the punch bowl.

Anyway, if you can't find anything else to say about the discussion of this article, I suggest you just continue to practice controlling your road rage during your commutes.

Just take it one character flaw at the time and you can eventually overcome all those years of bad behavior you developed so well while riding the school buses with no adult supervision.

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BHH

Like I said, insult me all you want, but the big difference between you and me, is the fact that I won't write anything on here that I'm not willing to say to your face, sadly you obviously don't feel the same, character flaw, you be the judge.

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With a name like hutch and the bully that you seem to be,

you must be a cop.

So which department are you with?

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hutch, just calm down.

Tell it all to the therapist during your next regular visit.

I just hope you didn't affect those other poor kids on the bus in any way that can't be easily corrected.

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Wow! Where did that come from?

Oh, I see it must be a bleed over from the other article.

I apologize for the harsh word.

Please forgive me TC.

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bhh

I really don't care what you said in your posts to me. I just found it a bit disingenuous that you jumped on someone else (Hutch) for something similar.

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TinCan, I don't really mean to insult anyone. Sometimes it

just seems to be the direction of the discussion.

As far as hutch goes, he's acted that way from our first interaction and I'm just having fun with his inability to hold his position. He can dish it out but he can't take it. Look at his last post. He's actually trying to call me out for a fight. He just continues to act like a bozo. I fully expect he's looking for a way to find me in person right now. It's not hard to do but he's probably incapable of what little work it would take. He'll just take it out on the next poor guy that cuts him off in traffic.

And you are right, any time anyone makes an off the cuff remark he leaves himself open to criticism and abuse.

I do apologize for any hurt feelings due to me going overboard. It's all in fun. There's no real embarrassment if you don't know each other. I would never treat anyone that way in person unless they deserved it like hutch.

I will try to be more tactful in the future.

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Hey Hutch

If you stop beating your head against the wall with BHH--it'll feel good!

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AtHomeGym, hutch may never learn.

He should take his own advice and just spar with roundy.

They are in a similar class.

Probably rode the same bus together at some point.

I'll just keep praying for him and his therapist.

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AHG

You're right, you can tell an idiot, but you can't tell him much. I'm going back to roundabouta$, at least he occasionally makes sense.

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hutch, you should

probably take a job south of home and try to stay out of commuter traffic as much as possible.

On a side note, how much was your share of the take from Pizza Hut on Saturday?

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Why on earth would you compare me to a person with an IQ apparently of maybe 6? Either that or is somewhat disturbed and educated at home!

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School Budget

Can someone send the link or address of the current budget. I looked at the BOE site and can't locate it.

Thanks!!!

Cy

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Sounds like a logistics problem for parents to work out

amongst themselves.

Transportation is not the taxpayers responsibility.

No reason for us to worry over it.

It's the parents problem.

A great candidate for private services and user fees.

So get on with it.

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Same For Fire Services!

Let the people whose houses catch fire pay fees for the service, not on the taxpayers backs! Also, there needs to be pay-for-performance for firefighters, like how fast they get to the fire, how fast they put it out, and how shiny the equipment is afterwards, and how sober they stay while on duty! How many fires we had it PTC this year? Less than 10 I guess! What is that costing us per fire? Stop Firefighter socialism now!

Go Braves, Sweep The Fish!

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Ninja that might just work.

Let's start at say $100 per call per fire fighter, with incentives for first on scene, first water on fire. Nothing wrong with performance based pay as long as someone is willing to perform for it.

Where I worked there were about 12 or more calls per 24 hr shift in several stations. After a few years at that rate I could have retired even sooner.

I thought PTC was already volunteer. They don't charge you anything.

In the 1930s it was found that subscription based fire protection didn't work very well. Maybe it will now. Every so often some municipality tries something like that and they usually switch back very soon.

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Ninja

Have you been reading history again, better stop or you'll destroy your preconceived notions of the "general welfare" philosophy.

With tongue in cheek. ;-D

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I say school buses are not

I say school buses are not the problem and could be a solution to the school budget. How is that possible you say? Well here is one way it could be done!

Every teacher should be required to get a CDL license. They could drive the buses to pick up the children that belong in their class right from their homes.

After the teachers pick up the children, rather than take them to a school building, they can just park the bus in a cul-de-sac, and conduct the class right on the bus like a tour guide.

If we did it this way we could lay off all the existing bus drivers and sell the school houses to land developers, cell phone tower companies, or maybe do something crazy like build a spotted owl park.

For those of you that would like to take it a step further you could install those fare meter machines on the bus so the children could pay up first before they are allowed get on the bus.

If teacher raises and promotions could be tied to their skill and proficiency of say diesel engine mechanic, transmission specialist, and/or auto body repair, they could work during the summer break to help overhaul and maintain the bus fleet.

Reduced staffing by getting rid of the bus drivers, elimination of all those now useless school buildings, and a more flexible work force is all we need to fix this school budget problem.

Moms and dads no longer have to take children to the school house. The school houses come to them! Expenses would be slashed, taxes could be lowered, and the country would once again be free as our founding fathers envisioned.

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You go Gort.

Now that's what I call creative thinking.

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BHH, Thanks for the kind

BHH, Thanks for the kind words. I read several posts were you complained about school buses and I was just wondering if I could change your mind.

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Gort, I have no affection for school buses.

They have a their place and purpose but I don't feel it my obligation to support them.

Ever since forced integration this state has been using busing in the the grand scheme for building larger and more centrally located schools rather than smaller schools located in the neighborhoods they serve.

This whole concept just perpetuates more of a perceived need for buses. And it has come home to roost in this age of enormous fuel costs and very expensive land deals for schools. Buses have continually become a detriment rather than an adjunct to the child's education.

Now there are some tough decisions to make and the working parents are spoiled to my tax dollars baby sitting their kids.

The children's day has been lengthened not for the sake of education but for the sake of the buses and the to coincide with the length of the working parent's schedule.

This has always been wrong to do to the kids. They are not getting the time they need for rest and recreation due mainly to poor management of the school systems and the misdirected motives of their parents.

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Gort - !!

Brilliant! Really.

One more step and we can just keep them at home and home school them. We could then eliminate public schools altogether AND the taxes associated with them.

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PTCO - Reality

. . . .and have leaders who think that Paul Revere rode to warn the British. Technology has had the effect of making us a non-face to face society as it is. With fewer children attending Sunday School - and home -schooling not necessarily exposing students to ideas that challenge their own, we need a public school system that WORKS! Communication skills in person are important. Let's demand a reformation of our education system immediately or China and India will be #1 and #2 in ten years. Our own businesses have outsourced not only because these countries have a cheaper work force - but a more competent work force. Sad.

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Or former History teachers that doesn't know history

Historically accurate, but why let facts interfere with a good story right DM?

"Now, that so many Americans have wallowed in their smug confirmation that Palin is an idiot unqualified for anything but repeating sixth-grade history, how far, wide and fast do you think the contradictory news will spread that the former governor of Alaska was indeed correct?

That the Republican non-candidate, in fact, knew more about the actual facts of Revere's midnight ride than all those idiots unknowingly revealing their own ignorance by laughing at her faux faux pas? How secretly embarrassing this must be, to be forced to face that you're dumber than the reputed dummy."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/sarah-palin-says-paul...

It's not the students in a school system that is the problem. It's the failing teachers that taught them that is the problem.
DM is a good example of such failings.

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OofU, Where have you been all

OofU, Where have you been all week, busy working in your shoe stores?

I read your link and looked at the YouTube video. It really sounded to me like the question Sarah Palin was asked was about the “Midnight Ride of Paul Revere,” not what he told the British after he was captured.

I would think it odd if the British allowed Paul Revere to continue riding his horse and ringing those bells while being interrogated, don’t you?

Then there is that, ‘can’t be in two places at once’ thing. How could Paul Revere be warning the colonist ‘the Regulars are coming,’ on his ‘midnight ride,’ at the same time, he was defiantly warning the British of the, ‘awakened militia awaiting their arrival?’ There would need to be two Paul Revere’s, eh?

Nice try OofU, but you and Andrew Malcolm just can’t spin this one over the plate.

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Gort - The problem

The problem with Gov. Palin is that she can't think on her feet.

In short she puts her mouth in gear before her brain (what little brain she has).

The question is did she know if she was actually in Boston when she made this non-comment.

We should all get a grip, she won't be running against Mr. Obama, this will be Mr. Rommney, it's his turn and he raises the most money.

He will lose to Mr. Obama in the general election because Mr. Obama will have a BILLION dollars or more to throw at his opponent.

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PTC_0, I can agree with you

PTC_0, I can agree with you that Sarah Palin ‘can’t think on her feet’ but I don’t think she’s stupid. She was smart enough to get elected Governor of Alaska.

I also think she uses the fact that, ‘she can’t think on her feet,’ to the best of her ability. She can dominate a news cycle whenever she decides. If that’s not turning a negative into a positive, then I don’t know what does.

I’m not a handicapper and don’t even pretend to know who is going to win the GOP primary. It will be interesting to watch if the TeaParty surrender their principals and back Romney. But then again, I believe the TeaParty would march into the sea if the Koch Brothers issued the orders.

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Well gort you may argue what she meant to say was.....

but that would entail that you knew what she was thinking at the time. Now unless you are some hidden psychic I doubt very much you do.

She was accurate in what she said. Period and that's not debatable. I haven't seen you or Nuk put up one single link that refutes that argument. Now the left bloggers are all on the "She was really saying this or that" now that she has had several REAL historians claim she was factually correct.

No spin needed Gort. Just facts.

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OofU, I didn’t say she wasn’t

OofU, I didn’t say she wasn’t historically accurate. All I said was she didn’t answer the question she was asked.

You know, like you are doing now!

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Was there a question somewhere?

Looked more like comments but reload and fire away.

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OofU, did Sarah Palin answer

OofU, did Sarah Palin answer the question she was asked?

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I don't know but what did you ask me?

I am not following Palin. SO I don't care. What I do care about is the distortion of fact by the Progressive branch of the democrat party.

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OofU, so you don’t follow

OofU, so you don’t follow Palin? Then why did you find it necessary to come to her defense all over this page?

BTW, Is this the kind of distortion you’re worried about from the, “Progressive branch of the democrat party?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65HJE6Qe8FM&feature=related

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Gort nope

and that's all there is to it. When people like Dmom, Nuk and the others in the progressive left attacks someone I tend to rise up for the underdog.

btw- Newt shot himself in the foot. They are better off for it.

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LOL...I'm now in the "progressive left!"

Astounding logic there, OoU. I am trying to think besides a few social issues like gay marriage and abortion that progressives and libertarians have in common. Maybe you can enlighten me on that one or any "progressive" political viewpoints I have? Because I think Bachmann, Palin, Miller, Angle and some other clowns in the TP have awful ideas that means I agree with Obama/Pelosi and the slew of progressives?

It's pretty obvious to me that the Repubs have done a terrible job when in control and the Dems are right there with them. It's just calling a spade a spade.

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I calls them as I see them Nuk

You come running to bacon's defense every chance you get.
You assist in the spread of the Progressive disinformation/propaganda.
You publicly assassinate the character of any Conservative women that speaks out.
You constantly repudiate every idea a Conservative Republican puts forth.

I would say evidence is mounting up.

Nuk I can't stand the Republicans either. I just don't eat my own.

Just saying.

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OofU, well, defender of the

OofU, well, defender of the underdog is it. Actually I’m not surprised.

I don’t understand why the Republican’s are so angry with Newt, he just took Sarah Palin’s advise and went a little “rogue”. Why isn’t Newt allowed to have his own opinion?

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Oh he is.. The Republicans just don't have to like it

and it's their choice isn't?

btw-one other thing I tend to counter Progressive lies when I see them. It's just a thing for me.

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OofU, I think I see your point.

The Republican Party, the only true believers of individualism, can’t allow Newt to do a pirouette, when the rest of them are goose stepping in unison to the Ryan Budget plan.

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Palin IS a moron....

...and the diatribe from Andrew Malcolm in the LA Times is also laughable and historically very inaccurate, but what do u expect? The rest of his column is another bunch of blather of hyper-partisan garbage that Malcolm is known for, facts be damned.

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Nuk doesn't speak highly of your intelligence either

since you obviously would rather just smear her then admit she was right. Historically speaking she was correct and she used it in context.

Now if you want to argue that she was stating the point of the "Ride" was to warn the British then that's a legitimate argument, but to argue she is moron because you say she is incorrect about the facts only prove you would rather use her as a punching bag then look at the historical fact of what she said.

Nuk I know you hate her, but don't let blind ideology cloud your judgement.

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Mistakes - oou

Many capable leaders have made verbal mistakes. (57; Revere warning the British, etc., etc., etc.) but to try to defend them or say their 'mistake' was correct is ?????????? Palin does not represent the best in female intelligence in the Republican Party. She was used for the election, she has taken advantage of her celebrity, and she's going for the $. I don't think many people 'hate' Palin. She is interesting and entertaining - but not someone most Americans want to represent them in serious dialogue with world leaders or having her hand on the button for using nuclear power in a conflict.

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No, Palin is the DWS of the Republican Party

that's Debbie Wasserman Schultz who is similarly endowed with a ready-fire-aim approach to speaking. Michelle Bachman is another. And of course, Newt, what a funny guy. Sometimes I wonder if Palin does this stuff on purpose, just to draw out the fools who have a default position of Palin is always wrong. Funny to watch. Wonder who they are going to focus upon after Palin's excellent summer vacation ends. You must know she's not running, she's tweaking the press and raising awareness (thanks to the silly mainstream media) and also fundraising.

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Palin is politically dumb! period, inexperienced!

Other than write e-mails, all she ever accomplished as part-time Governor was to get the Alaskan citizens welfare from the oil companies since Alaska
had nothing else for them to do.

Catch a few salmon at a certain time of the year and overcharge for them!

Is she going to start one of those Pentecostal Churches in her new Arizona mansion? Or like Oprah will that just be a winter home from the proceeds of books written by someone else?