Former Mayor Brown a con man with trail of ethics problems

Commissioner Jack Smith has made some decisions I haven’t agreed with, but I believe him to be honest and genuinely concerned about the county and its citizens. He will receive my support in the primary election for county commission.

Steve Brown is another story all together. Brown is very personable, but so is a con man. He talks a good game, but so does a con man. And just like a con man, Brown is out for what he can get for himself. We know, similar to a con man, Mayor Brown was ethically challenged.

An ethics complaint was filed against Mayor Brown for having a city employee, his executive assistant, pick up his child from lessons during work hours. An ethics board found him guilty. He’d also bring his two daughters to City Hall and abandon them in a conference room for hours without checking on them. Concerned city employees would check on the neglected girls. Brown chose to make the part-time mayor’s position full-time.

Mayor Brown refused to sign an amendment to the Intergovernmental Agreement with the Peachtree City Development Authority that City Council had lawfully approved. Brown then illegally stopped contractual payments of hotel/motel tax revenues to the authority without the required council approval.

Peachtree City has a moratorium on annexations. The moratorium prohibits city employees, which includes the mayor, working with a developer until authorized by council. Mayor Brown disregarded that directive and worked intimately with Wieland Development on an annexation plan of over 300 acres in the West Village. Brown’s reasoning: he had stepped out of his mayoral shoes and was just a private citizen.

Mayor Brown opposed the 2004 Transportation SPLOST referendum for one reason: he didn’t agree with the revenue distribution. State law prohibits elected officials from advocating a voter referendum. Brown had Comcast tape his opposition message in their studio, edit it and air it on one of their channels. Again Brown claimed he had stepped out of his mayoral shoes and did the spot as a private citizen.

At the time of the taping, Comcast was beginning negotiations with the city to renew their franchise agreement. The tape provided by Comcast was clearly marked with “Mayor Brown” on the jacket, the label and at the beginning of the tape.

An ethics complaint was filed with the state Ethics Board, which they thought serious enough to hear. Brown prevailed after Comcast said they’d taped the piece for him as a private individual.

Steve Brown is a good activist and an alright columnist. Look beyond his words to his actions. He just doesn’t have the character to be a community leader.

John Dufresne

Bagram, Afghanistan

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Brown Works for Good of Community

How many of us find this letter is disgraceful? Despite criticism, the record shows that Brown has been right on the issues and always has done the research. The following quote seems appropriate:

A man does what he must.. in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures.. and that is the basis of all human morality.
John F. Kennedy

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Correct

Yes, denial.

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Brown

Thank you, now wasn't that easy?

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Mr. Brown?

Is that a denial?

A simple yes or no will do.

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Oh please

PTC Observer, do you really think that if John Dufresne introducing this at the height of election cycle is anything other than a political smear tactic?

Dufresne is lying and trying to take the election dialog away from the issues.

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PTC Observer - Did Brown asnwer your question?

The questions was a did he or did he not. Yes or no. Pretty simple really. But did he answer it? No, of course not and he won't. He loves the turmoil too much and he will simply do what he has been doing (and condeming others who do exactly the same thing) - specifically name-calling and mudslinging.

I heard a rumor that he wants to bring MARTA into Fayette County. I can't prove it, but I can accuse him of that. That's about how much juice he's got on all the Jack Smith accusations. Brown is a loser - coming up on 3 times.

You want this dork making decisions for you at the county level?

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Time for Jack to go---- he wasn't elected Commissioner. Wells was unelected as commissioner. Now the Chamber crowd is deathly worried about losing control. It is already gone. The key reason for me--- that horrendous SPLOST. It shows that they treat using the public funds as monopoly money for their buddies. Bye Jack (and Eric).

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crawl back under your rock PTC observer

Don't get on my case for being a new blogger. I've read alot of garbage on these posts over the years but this takes the cake. I know Steve, his wife and their two girls. I just have to comment. They are a wonderful family and Steve is a very involved and devoted parent. You obviously don't know this but now you do. So go find some other sand to pound. I also have been stuck bringing one or more of my children to work unexpectedly. Would you rather he leave them at home alone??? I can't believe I'm even having this conversation. You really need to get a life PTC observer. Stooping so very low. Focus on some real issues and leave his family alone.

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PTC observer, you never took your child to work?

You are very lucky you never got caught in a pinch.

Again, what is more important...he took his kid to work....or the West Bypass?
or is taking his kid to work...nearly as important, or as much a threat to the county as Commissioner who is working for a bank owned by developers?

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the logic behind this argument except possible diversion from the real issues.

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PTC..you're privileged with no tolerance for those who aren't

your smoke screen is showing..and there is a fa..rt in church behind it.

You really care more if/when/ he took a child to work?..as opposed to someone working for a developer bank? a road to no where..through developer's land, and that this same group is running someone for BOE that was a loan officer for the developer bank?

"I admire the fact that he served our city, but I question this service if it came as a sacrifice to his children and at the taxpayers expense."
Sacrifice? did he pimp the kids out?

It falls into the category of "there are no white lies, there are only lies".

No white lies? look at the 2 dumbos we are trying to get out...and say that about them...and see if it fits!

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Mr. Brown and his children

It seems that if this is true Mr. Brown is acting as the one who is privileged.

None of the other things you mention have anything to do with this issue, nice attempt a redirection though.

So, is it true Mr. Brown? Did you leave your children in the care of other city employees?

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What's your problem, suggarfoot?

PTC Observer has responded to you already. He has a question for someone else...not you. Do you think your responses to him are going to help Steve Brown get his vote?

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Suggarfoot - Steve Brown

No as a matter of fact I never took my children to work. They are fully grown now. If for some reason I had to do this, I would not leave them for other workers to look after. That's not what they are paid to do.

I am simply trying to get an answer to my question. Does he deny it?

It is not a diversion. I believe that it says something about character, priorities, ambition, lifestyle, and honesty.

I admire the fact that he served our city, but I question this service if it came as a sacrifice to his children and at the taxpayers expense.

It falls into the category of "there are no white lies, there are only lies".

So, Mr. Brown please clarify this for us.

It's a simple question that he should answer. Without an clear answer, I assume that it's true. I will vote accordingly.

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Steve Brown - Did you

deny that this happened?

"As for the trashy comment, "He’d also bring his two daughters to City Hall and abandon them in a conference room for hours without checking on them. Concerned city employees would check on the neglected girls," this is the absolute LOWEST I have every seen anyone go in a Fayette County election. This is a pathetic way to try to win an election!"

Is this a denial?

Just would like some clarity on this point.

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Steve Brown - statement

Can I assume that if there is not a response by Steve on the issue above that there is some truth in it?

If there is truth to this, it raises some interesting questions about his character and lifestyle.

1. Where's the wife?
2. Is it the taxpayers responsibility to take care of his children via distracted employees?
3. What is important the children or the city job? Where is the priority here, a political career or spending quality time with your children.

If it is not true, then simply say so.

So, I ask again. Steve is this a denial?

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Beyond stupid, ya all

No Steve is not going to respond. The nonsense you all are posting here is way off base and Steve knows it. He'll just let it roll until there is another distraction. None of this will change one vote for or against Brown. You either love him (10%) or hate him (50%) or seriously don't care or even know who he is (40%) and nothing he says or does now will change any opinions.

The ethics charge is that his kids were waiting to be picked up from school or soccer practice or something and they called him on the city hall phone, Gloria answered for him (he was in a very important meeting and couldn't be disturbed) and she went and picked them up. City employee on city time. She did that on her own. Brown turned himself in immediately for an ethics violation to take the heat off Gloria. Big damn deal. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Brown, but this is not one of them. Get a life people.

John D is angry at Brown and always will be. Secretly I'm sure he hopes Brown gets elected so he can take his "art" of public ridicule over to Fayetteville when he gets back stateside. Highly unlikely john has even met Jack Smith and he's certainly not working for him or doing any of this to support Smith. This is John D - loose cannon - all on his own.

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PTC Observer

Can I assume that you must be nasty if you don't know all this to be true?

If one engages in a squirting contest with a skunk, you will lose---don't do it Steve.

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slickharry - Steve Brown

That's the problem, you can assume anything if someone doesn't deny an accusation. I can assume that if there is no denial, then it must be true.

I am not nasty, just curious about the truth.

It's a simple question.

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PTC observer...you have never taken your child to work?

You are very lucky you never got caught in a pinch.

Again, what is more important...he took his kid to work....or the West Bypass?
or is taking his kid to work...nearly as important, or as much a threat to the county as Commissioner who is working for a bank owned by developers?

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the logic behind this argument except possible diversion from the real issues.

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who has not taken their child to work?

Or. would you have rather he stay home and do nothing but draw the salary? You can't have it both ways. I admire his dedication. I being a single parent have taken my child in before.

But hey...isn't the elections about ..WHO WILL DO WHAT FOR THE COUNTY?

More smoke and mirrors here...

Lets go back to the real stuff, not who's kid is hangin out where.

Do you really think I'm gonna stay up all night worrying if Steve Brown took his kid to work...or am I gonna stay up and worry about my 4,000.00 tax bill? That, is a ball buster bill for a lot of people,like having a separate and house note!

I'm much more concerned about a man being on the Fayette county Commissioner..and voting...AND, on a developer bank board as well...which, in my eyes, is a very serious conflict on interest.

When he votes on land uses, rezoning, etc..and is one a bank board that is owned by developers...and that is where is bread and butter comes from...do you really think I'm so stupid as to think he want vote for the best interest of the bank above us?

You can worry about Steve Browns kids staying 10 feet from him while he, my your own admitance, gives us more work hours and bang for or buck..., or you can worry about something real...

I prefer real myself!

Tell me, just anyone of you people, so concerned over the kiddies..aren't you a little concerned that there is no one to know if this man Smith excuses himself ...as he says...from votes where there is a conflict?

Oh I know..you trust him...

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PS.. while I'm on a roll here

Isn't this the ..SAME..DEVELOPER ...BANK..THAT ..CAVE WORKED AT AS A LOAN OFFICER? YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT SMOLA AND SMITH JUST LOOOOOVVEEE..YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF HIM ON ONE OF THOSE CONSESURE EMAIL TREES.. Dah...can any of you connect the dots?

We have a road to no where right? We have all these new schools that are empty? only 40kids in the newest one..right? What do the school, the bypass, and the developers all have in common? Pull a Fayette county tax map...and look who owns the land along the bypass..and who owns the land around the schools! A bypass past 3 schools, 25mph? get real! These are all developer wellfare. What a wonderful thing to sell the new houses...a bypass right there..and a brand new school! And you have people with ties to a BANK FOR DEVELOPERS...and they want you to elect them! OMG!

Oh, I know, you can't speak, you have to get the apple out of your mouth 1st. We have all been served up on a silver platter!

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Observer, you want clarity from Steve Brown? Ha!

Here's clarity. Yes it happened exactly that way. Brown left his daughters (who are very cute and very smart, by the way) in his office for 6 hours and the ever-suffering Gloria (secretary to the real Mayor Brown, later Lenox and eventually the brown clown) attended to them, nursed them and took them to day care - and then picked them up later when daddy didn't show up at closing time. Then she took them home, nursed them and fed them. When the brown clown showed up at 2AM after his visit to a strip club, Gloria turned the kids over to him and quit on the spot. Brown turned himself in the next day and got away with it. Gloria reconsidered the next day, got a raise and refused to talk about the whole incident.

So, there it is - clarity. OK? Unfortunately, not a word is true - except that Brown's daughters are both cute and smart. All made up, but you can have clarity or truthfullness.

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MUDCAT

This makes all the other things you've said a waste of our eyesight. You have some other comments to fix, too. Thanks for being so honest!

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Mudcat - Brown

I don't have a dog in this fight, I am simply trying to get Mr. Brown to clarify his statement. Is it a denial? It isn't explict in his statement that this event did not happen.

Unlike you, I am not trying to be cute. I simply would like an answer.

If it happened then he should simply explain it, spin it, whatever.

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In The Interest Of Fairness,

this sounds like character assassination with no evidence or personal knowledge, ie "I saw him at a strip club"--appears to be speculation to support a personal beef against Brown.

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JOHN DUFRESNE

Jack's got a whole slew of people spinning rumors about Brown, but none has analyzed all the facts in print. All you have to do is read Brown's comments and check into what he says. But you'll have to prove he's wrong to have any meaningful effect. Meanwhile, Jack won't say why he won't divert Bypass funds to other SPLOST projects or the real reason he is voting for MARTA. He says he's looking out for metro Atlanta, but forgets he's representing Fayette County in the process. You can understand why he won't acknowledge that the majority of people don't want the bypass. If he did, he'd have embarrassing questions he could not answer. You should have attended the last Town Hall Meeting, and you would have seen how unprepared he was. More than half the complaints dealt with the bypass and MARTA. Who can you trust when the county lied about ARC conducting a traffic study that justified the bypass when that never happened? Are you happy Jack voted for MARTA because you, too, feel it's best for metro Atlanta? Anyone who is buying it not being slated for Fayette County just fell off the turnip truck.

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This is pathetic.

An outright hatchet job like this is absolutely pathetic.

If I were on the fence about this election, I would cast my vote for Steve Brown without hesitation after reading this deplorable drivel.

If there is any wonder why there is such disenfranchisement in American politics, look no further than this attack piece. Why would a bright capable individual even attempt to become involved in local politics when this is what will beset them?

I can't claim to have specific knowledge of all the issues in play here, but I can speak to the one I do have, and that is of Steve's character. I have had the pleasure of meeting him many times, and upon reading the attack on his behavior in regards to his children, I honestly thought it was a joke. Then I realized it was a serious attempt to discredit a man personally in the most spiteful manner possible, and then have the gall to use service to this country as a shield from rebuttal. I'll call a spade a spade here, and just say what it was, it was outright cowardly.

Well here's your obligatory pat on the back for your service (which you were fishing for). Now that we got that out of the way, good job Mr. Dufresne, you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote this. Lob mud drenched grenades, then hide behind your service, and call anyone who dares call you out for it an unpatriotic America hater who doesn't respect veterans.

How anyone can sit idly by, no matter which side you sit on, and watch an election for a local county level office devolve into *this* is a true testament to the denigration of politics we've reached in this country.

When you can't manage to stick to the issues and instead cling to attacks this low really speaks to your opinions of the voters intellect.

How about have a little faith in your prospective electorate, present your positions and how they differ from your opponent, and let them decide their vote based on those merits?

Sheriff Chester

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My cat has a Facebook, Steve, so I guess I can't really call foul on your dog having a Citizen account. Tell Chester that Henry and Foster say "Hi!" and they've missed him at the dog park.

I agree, though- Dufresne's argument was pretty low. I can't say that Steve and I agree politically, and he's made some misleading statements about my family in the past, but I know firsthand that he's a good father; anyone who's ever met his kids could tell you that. Dufresne's making it sound like Steve handed them a box of matches and locked them in a closet all day. That's poor politics and I'm glad to see he was laughed off the blog.

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Is that Sheriff Chester Goode of Gunsmoke?

I suspect that there is something else eating on many here about Steve Brown. Something more than him doing a bad job or saying what he thinks!

Maybe there is a Clarence Thomas syndrome about? I really can't imagine why anyone would want to be Mayor anyway---like President Obama said not long ago after a particularly vicious day----Who would want this job for more than one term?
Many take such a job in order to get the party to nominate them for a higher rung on the ladder---that I don't understand either. If you don't have to practically force someone to run for a political job then they probably aren't worth having there anyway.

Steve is running for the next higher office open and has run for a state office I understand. Obviously he intends to make that his career.
For that reason maybe he needs to be set aside again.

I would like to think that is the reason he is not liked by his fellow republicans but I seriously doubt it. They certainly wouldn't be against his ambitions.

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Here Here, Well Said

Steve's numbers have slightly gone up since this piece of work.
vote in the poll at www.SPLOSTPOLL.com
See what Jack doesn't want you to read.

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Sheriff Chester (Good---Chester Good?) Matts buddy.

What does anyone want such a job anymore such as Mayor, Commissioner, Police Chief, Fire Chief, Congress, Governor, etc.?

Even more important, notice in Atlanta where there are several top notch jobs open (Airport Manager, Chief of Police, Fire Chief, etc.) and then view the only candidates being considered!
It seems that only one color is even on the list for the serious jobs.
The reason given is that they "undertand" local people better!

Why does anyone want these "jobs," where all Democrats consider all Republican office holders crooks, and all Republicans consider all Democratic office holders crooks?

Reason: It has become a "job" instead of a public service.

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Which is a pretty good reason to seek it if you DONT HAVE ONE

But should we be electing people just because the want a job and can't get it somewhere else?

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Guarding Them Poppy Fiields

The poppy aroma is getting to his head. Steve Brown is walking on solid ground while Jack Smith is walking in thin ice. His Bank he sits and consults is under Cease and Desist. His stealth ties to the BOE will surface. His illegal meetings with other commissioners is on file at the State Attorney General's office. One more and he's in violation.
See how the vote is going and read the facts at www.SPLOSTPOLL.com

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interesting reading on bank

I can't wait for those ties to surface......isn't that the 'bank' that Mr Cave worked at? The one they are trying to get on the BOE and hyping on their email trees? Wasn't he a loan officer there? at the..DEVELOPERS BANK? Wow...what a cozy little setup....

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jevank & B-I-L In Afghanistan

I'm betting he's got enough on his plate without sticking his nose in hometown politics! Kudos to him for serving!

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Hey, **assroots

My brother-in-law is in Afghanistan too. Would you like to demoralize him while your at it?

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Dufresne is just one of the

Dufresne is just one of the old time nut jobs around here, uniform or not. The "BUM" tee shirt was a childish distraction from the adult dialogue. Jevank is right up there too with her court antics.

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Jevank:NATO and McCrystal Do The Demoralizing, not me.

The NATO Command said today "We are losing the war in Afghanistan." The Brits want out. The purest form of heroin this country has ever experienced is killing the teenagers on the streets of Philadelphia. The Taliban had eradicated all the poppy fields existing by 2001. (Google it) Now Afghanistan supplies 95% of the worlds heroin and it ain't the Taliban. 8 years and McCrystal has no plan B. Maybe we should swap McCrystal for BP. We'd get the same results. The Lt's and below fight the war and come home with little support. Those above just play politics with their lives.

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Picture of Soldier Guarding Poppy Field
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Poppy Fields of Afghanistan

We of course could have destroyed all of the poppy fields in Afghanistan years ago but chose not to do so. I haven't heard anything official recently either about their demise!
Let me explain why? Suppose the USA was extremely short of oil---maybe the Gulf turns to sludge, or something like that---and the other oil producing countries boycotted us about shipping oil to us.
What would we do? I mean besides have a severe depression!

It is no different in Afghanistan. Heroin is their livelihood just as is oil here. They buy their food with it, pay their public servants with it, and supply a market for the farmers.

Without enough oil we would amount to a total disaster---so would Afghanistan without heroin.

We would have to feed them and pay for their government just as we do Iraq!

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Whitehunter , don't fall for that talking point

I've been following the drug /war connection since Vietnam. WE PAY THEM TO GROW IT, (the British too) and it isn't shipped out on donkey's. We protect it, see it through harvest and reap the profits. Go to you tube and see c-140's unloading it. It's a hypocritical disgrace. Their economy had no poppies when we attacked. Now it supplies 95% of worlds heroin. Connect the dots. America is a Drug Lord. That's why no fence at the border. It ain't about the worker bees.

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roots, mike, etc.

By the way, I don't expect to last long on here so you better read what I say carefully while you can.

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Why

Just wondering.. No not about throwing you off again... why would we read what you "say" carefully?

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Do they

Keep throwing out Bonk?

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grassroots: heroin

I have heard of the phrase, "religion is the opiate of the masses," let them have it, but never have I heard let us pay them to grow and sell it to USA citizens!

Do we need to stay doped up?
I assumed we got enough false beliefs, thoughts, aspirations, and things to talk about from such as Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, and two or three false women whose names I can't remember.

Religion has started most of our wars but I suppose dope and oil could start them also.

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John Dufresne .... Afghanistan?

First it is tacky to attack Steve Brown personally, but hey when you can't defend your candidate's voting record, what else can you do?

Secondly, why give your address as Afghanistan? If you live there, you can't vote. I'm assuming you're inferring your opinion packs more credence, because you are in the army. Sorry, my family members were in the Revolutionary War, Civil war, (wrong side, better luck next time maybe) WW I, WWII, Vietnam... The deal is, your opinion is like everyone else's, we all have one. Because you joined and are being paid to fight over there, presuming that is what you are doing, doesn't make your opinion, anymore valuable.

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Suggarfoot

IF the blogger is, in fact, in Afganistan, I would side with you on the fact that his opinion is no more worthy than the next. I simply would place more creedence in it. But, that's just another opinion.

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Citizen Bob is right

You don't pull out people like John Dufresne unless you can't defend your political campaign based on your voting record. Smith has got problems with the bypass and the MARTA bus voting. I agree with Citizen Bob, the SPLOST was a sure sign the people don't want what Smith and his buddies have to offer.

Steve doesn't need to be defensive because people aren't going believe the junk John Dufresne is saying anyway.

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Dufresne's rant

First off, you're totally wrong as usual if you don't think some people are going to believe it, because some voters cannot stand Steve Brown period. If that isn't crystal-clear to you and everyone else, welcome to reality where the rest of us reside.

I thought Dufresne was way over the top when he showed up one night with his BUM(Brown Unfit for Mayor) t-shirt and a real fool for running his mouth frequently in letters to the Citizen when his wife was/is working for PTC gov. Talk about putting her in an awkward situation when Brown is Mayor and he's going Defcon4 on him and she has to go see him the next day at the job.

Some of what he states are indeed facts and some of it is slanted and exaggerated. I'm not sure that it will have much "positive" effect for Smith because it comes across as a diatribe and Smith's record ain't too hot either.

This is going to be one lousy race to the bottom.

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I forgot about the BUM t-shirt. Classy move.

I always wondered why John was so out there attacking Brown when his wife worked at city hall. I too thought that was inappropriate until I learned all the facts - which were that he was openly inviting her firing for a couple of reasons. One was money - a classic wrongful termination suit with huge punative damages and the other was to establish grounds for the mayor's impeachment. A twofer. Brown didn't take the bait for whatever reason, but what a beautiful trap they set for him.

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NUK & DEFCON

I assume you know that DEFCON 4 is the next to lowest level, that being 5 and highest being 1. Is that what you meant to say?

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Actually, AHG

I didn't :) Obviously, I had it backwards.

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NUK & DEFCON

Not unusual for most folks--if I hadn't worked for a number of yrs as a War Planner, I wouldn't know either.

The Wedge
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War Games

Shall we play a game, Dr. Falken? I learned the DEFCON's while watching the movie War Games about three times during the 1980's

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Wedge & DEFCON

I find it hard to believe that you didn't have SOME exposure to DEFCON levels in your military experience.

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Gym

My guess is that The Wedge was too young to be in the military when this movie came out.

Great movie, though. I think it's time to revisit this one.

The Wedge
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Oh, I did that too, Gym

But I first learned about it in 1983, in my teenage years, watching War Games :)

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achhhkkk!

Seconds too late on my last post. I was right, though.

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double post :(

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Play the hand you're dealt

When your candidate is weak on issues, don't discuss them, simply avoid them.

After a 3:1 trouncing by voters who rejected your SPLOST, certainly avoid defending it and the many projects that taxpayers would have had to pay an additional $135m for.

And keep in the background all discussion of big spending ($50m) on a road that's supposed to serve high density commutes, but terminates on a back road with no direct access to major arterials (and wasn't supported by GA or the feds).

Also stay away from 11% pay raises given to your county attorney, especially when an open records request for his annual performance appraisal is returned without any such appraisal.

Etc, etc, etc.

Sometimes, you just gotta play the hand you're dealt...

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Sounds like he's more than a con man.

Apparently he's a crook.

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Vote for the crook. Its important!

I think you are saying Smith is a crook and acknowledging Brown is a con man. If so, I'm encouraging everyone to vote for the crook - besides his crimes are not that bad. Prefer that to 4 years of Mr. "all about me"

Can't you all just read between the lines of his response and see what a shallow fool he is? I'm glad some of you praise Brown for taking care of his kids and having the time to participate in all their activities as if that has something to do with how he would perform as a county commissioner. For that we only have to look at how he performed as mayor of PTC. No thanks. Don't need any more of that. Let's ensure that Mr. Brown has plenty of time after the election to raise his kids.

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No Mudcat

You followed the thread (and my comment) incorrectly. I was saying that if the allegations in the previous blogs were true then Brown is more than a con man, it would make him a crook (keeping in mind that I have no idea if they are true or not.) I would never call Smith a crook, everything I've heard and read about him leads me to believe he is a straight arrow. His detractors don't even accuse him of anything that would bring him personal gain (although now that I've said that they probably will) The Brown outfit reads like a pretty mudslinging bunch.

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Be Ashamed, John Dufresne

You are not talking about the Steve Brown I know. The Steve Brown I know just spent an entire week taking Fayette County students to Chicago to participate in the Science Olympiad. The Steve Brown I know is extremely concerned with his children. The Steve Brown I know has talked to my husband and me about taking his girls to their different activities and watching them participate in those activities. I dare say that Steve Brown and his wife know where their girls are and what they are doing at any given moment. Mr. Dufresne, can you say the same thing? I know plenty of Dads who never attend any activities their children are in involved in, let alone taking an entire group of kids to Chicago to participate in a function as great as the National Science Olympiad. That doesn't sound like a father who neglects his children to me.

You can make anything sound ugly, Mr. Dufresne. Steve Brown and all his supporters have diligently tried to stick to the issues. You are going beyond the point of sleeze, Mr. Dufresne. You are bringing innocent children into an adult arena. It seems to me that if you were truly concerned for the welfare of Mr. Brown's children, you wouldn't hurt them by talking trash about their father to the public. The very idea! I can't believe anyone would stoop so low as to hurt two little girls.

Leave Steve Brown's children out of this. Stick to the issues.

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mbest, Do You Have Children?

Do you know anything at all about children? Both of my children are adopted. Children talk to each other about each other. When my daughter was in the sixth grade one of her classmates asked her, "Who is your real
mother?" My daughter replied, "My mother is my real mother." The classmate said, "No she isn't. My mother said that you are adopted, and the people you live with aren't your real parents!" That is how some
children talk to each other. Children hear what their parents talk about. Children are influenced by what their parents talk about and they mimic what their parents say. It isn't a matter of not letting children read newspapers or hear the news on television. It is a matter of adults setting an example for children to follow.

Mr. Dufresne's letter is a prime example of how adults shouldn't behave when it comes to children. Children should never ever enter into the equation of adult conversations and issues, but especially in a public forum. Children are impacted by what is said about their parents. My child was very much impacted by what someone said about her parents. Even though my child knew that she was adopted, it still upset her a great deal. The next day, my daughter told her classmate, "My parents are just as real as your parents." Children shouldn't be put in the position of having to defend their own parents.

Knowing Mr. Brown to be an involved parent when it comes to his children, Mr. Dufresne just tells me that the whole premise of his letter was to intimidate and sensationalize. He obviously knew that the quickest and easiest way to get to Mr. Brown was to bring his children into the equation.

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Don't worry ginga1414

If you will remember back to the election race between Steve Brown & Harold Logsdon the developer group did the same thing as is happening now, they told Lies and drug him through the mud. Looks like the same old guard has come back to life. We just have to keep telling the truth and try to diffuse the Lies. Keep the Faith!

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Dondol you are right

This is all about development and greed. That by pass to no where, goes past 3 schools.

Move traffic? Has something changed or isn't the speed limit around the schools 25mph during morning rush hour?

The schools and the bypass were to go hand and hand. Look at who owns the land around Rivers and who owns the land along the bypass. It isn't hard todo, go to the Fayette county government web site and pull up the tax map.

While you are at it. Look at all the land the BOE owns now. No wonder the guy wantinng land donated for the horse park? farm? kitty ride? whatever..ASKED FOR IT... we clearly have land coming out our ears!

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Lady if it bothers you that much

Don't show the kid the newspaper.
"The very idea!" Who are you Mrs. Drysdale? This is a place where adult topics are discussed. Nothing derogatory was said about those kids. Grow up or get out.

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Here it comes ... the character assassination attempts begin

For the record, the author of this letter, John Dufresne, was an ardent Harold Logsdon supporter and volunteer who used the same tactics when I ran for re-election.

Dufresne was also a member of a developer political action committee (PAC) called Direct PAC who tried every trick in the book to attack me.

As for the "ethics complaint was filed against Mayor Brown for having a city employee, his executive assistant, pick up his child from lessons during work hours." I, Steve Brown, personally filed that ethics complaint against myself 45-minutes after the incident occurred. I had to attend a meeting to negotiate sales tax revenue on behalf of the cities of Fayette County. My assistant, her letter on the matter appeared in this newspaper, knew I had a schedule conflict and volunteered to shuttle my daughter from a nearby lesson to help me out. Unfortunately, she did not get permission from her supervisor to take the time off. When I found this out on my return, I filed the complaint against myself and repaid the city the less than $9.00 owed for the time.

As for the trashy comment, "He’d also bring his two daughters to City Hall and abandon them in a conference room for hours without checking on them. Concerned city employees would check on the neglected girls," this is the absolute LOWEST I have every seen anyone go in a Fayette County election. This is a pathetic way to try to win an election!

On the Intergovernmental Agreement, we hired outside special legal counsel who concluded the agreement had been switched because the new agreement contained language the previous city council did not have when they voted to approve the agreement. The Development Authority complied with the agreement and were later proven to be part of one of the largest scandals in Fayette County history involving the authority and the Peachtree National Bank.

Yes, I did oppose the 2004 Transportation SPLOST, nothing wrong with that. Yes, I did express my personal opinions in a North Atlanta studio on a Comcast channel, perfectly legal and Constitutional. What Dufresne neglects to tell the reader is that he is the one who filed the ethics complaint against me on behalf of the developer PAC, Direct PAC, at the time I was running against his candidate Harold Logsdon.

Not only did the entire State Ethics Commission staff say there was "no merit at all" to Dufresne's complaint, but the chairman of the commission apologized to me. Dufresne would not know these details because he did not have the guts to show-up to the commission hearing for his own complaint.

Congratulations John Dufresne. You have taken Jack Smith's political campaign to the very depths of trashy politics.

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Steve Brown

Still no answer, nothing to say? Can't defend your position? When you slammed the judges here in Fayette, was that campaigning? Come on Steve let me hear from you, of course if you can't justify your rants just say so. Come on Steve, it just little old me from Fayetteville, remember Fayetteville, just 10% of us vote, but according to you, we're the reason the transportation SPLOST was voted in. Come on Steve, grow a pair and lets converse. Maybe you only converse with the PTC people, yeah that's the ticket, right.

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Steve Brown

Gee whiz Steve, I was serious with my question, why when you slam someone it's campaigning, but when they slam you it's character assassination? Of course if you don't want to answer that's ok, I understand sometimes it's hard to defend a position. BTW, did you notice there's two ass's in assassination, just wondering which one you are, the first ass or the second?

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Stick to the issues that impact Fayette's future

JD didn't attend the hearing for his own complaint? I could spend time speculating about his motives, but I'd rather focus down range on significant issues that are going to impact our county. Like listening to Fayette citizens thoughts about large, disruptive, & expensive projects, and whether or not the county should impose $135m in SPLOST, and ...

PS: I served 28 years in the Army, and Brown's response doesn't bother me at all.

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Oh please Robert W. Morgan

No developers in the direct pac? Rex Green of Group VI is an officer. Rick Schlosser formerly of PCDC and now a commercial broker is an officer. They were the leaders of the bunch. Get a life Morgan.

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No johenry, no developers in Direct Pac

Rex worked for Photo Circuts (not a developer) when Direct Pac was formed and joined Group VI as a Broker long after Direct Pac was folded. Rick worked for PCDC (definitely a developer) until 1995 and when Direct Pac was formed in 2003, he had been an independent broker for 8 years. Newsflash: being a Broker is not the same as being a developer. Brown (not having any work experience) may not know that, but you should.

Jim Stinson (airline pilot), Jim Steinbach (retired military), Carol Fritz (former councilperson), Jim Cole (travel agent), Michael Rossetti (builder - BTW, builder is not the same as developer), Doug Warner (attorney), Floy Farr (legendary banker - again, not a developer), Robin Lorber (real estate agent and dreamboat), Tim Kaigler (dentist), Bob Truitt (accountant) and of course Rex, Rick and John and several incumbent politicans who did not want to be named (but their initials are BL AMcM, BB and GD) and 100 others (none of whom were actually developers) were at the first few meetings and they were seriously united on one issue - getting Steve Brown out of office ASAP. The ethics thing was way over the top, but that simply showed their frustration.

The overall goal was to get someone to beat Brown and that worked (Thank God) and after that Direct Pac went away.

And for the record, Direct Pac did not endorse Logsdon, they interviewed all 6 people running against the incumbent Brown and concluded that Boswell and Logsdon would be OK. No direct endorsement of Logsdon - even though he was certainly a better mayor that Brown, but of course all of them were.

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Actually Steve, you are doing character attacks yourself

John D. recruited me to be an officer in Direct Pac, I declined, but there were no developers there then or in any of the meetings I attended later. Your developer obsession is unhealthy. Get a life.

John has also outlined the problems that normal people have with your documented, on the record, verified public life. He missed a few things, but God knows there are enough there already. You were not and are not a leader. You are a self-involved cheap shot artist with no reason for being in the arena of public ideas. All hat, no cattle as they say in Texas.

BTW, John is a volunteer second time for the war against terrorism and he puts himself up there on the front line and is a true American hero. If you choose to bad mouth him, you are badmouthing me and Lt. Berchinski and Lt. Collins and hundreds of others Fayette County veterens who have proudly served.

I'd rather stick with Jack Smith and the stupid West Fayette Bypass (although I am really opposed to this) than have an un-American attack dog like you sitting up there on the Fayette Couny Commission. I think you just nailed yourself in your future coffin.

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John D. & Service

Good for him for volunteering but don't toss the word "hero" around so easily. Most folks don't really understand what a real "hero" is, it's just a convenient word to use when you want to put someone on a pedestal or attempt to overcome something NOT so heroic by an individual. Dufresne should be careful he doesn't violate Articles 10, 2, & 18 of US Code that restricts active duty personnel from certain political activities.

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Sort of reaching there aren't you when you try to indicate that

Mr. Brown is bad mouthing Lt. Berchinski and Lt. Collins and hundreds of other Fayette County veterans. Mr. Brown made no comment about Mr. D.'s service to his country and he certainly did not malign him or any other service personnel. What Mr. Brown did was to reply to allegations made by Mr. D., no more and no less. It is commendable that Mr. D. has volunteered a second time to serve his country and is, as you state, a true American hero. But one has nothing to do with the other and for you to indicate it does, reflectly badly on you.

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Oh My God!!!

Dufresne, you are a disgrace to the uniform!!! You when start going after people's children, you deserve what you've got coming.

Maybe Hutch ought to read Brown's letter again. He never went after Smith's children and he's got his sources listed.

If Smith comes out and denounces this kind of crap, I'll just hold it over Dufresne's block head. Pretty easy to slander someone from Afghanistan ain't it Dufresne?

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Hey Spear Road Guy

I just have to weigh in....You call John Dufresne a "disgrace?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!! John worked for a very long time volunteering to enter into our fight against terrorism.... many of us have sons or daughters who are over there as we speak. How dare you suggest that someone who serves our country should not stay involved in what is going on at home. They are the ones who give you, me, and Steve Brown our right of free speech. John did not represent himself as a "soldier." It was ksig12 who pointed it out. John was no more "fishing for pats on the back" than I am. As for "going after [Brown's] children.." Poppycock! He is simply stating a fact. Brown did take his children to work because he made the mayorship a fulltime job and he was a stay at home dad. He would go into meetings while leaving his children in the care of office staff. This is common knowledge and partly what led to his ethics problem. As for him filing his own complaint, yes...that is true. In fact he demanded a full ethics hearing saying that if he didn't, DirecPac would demand it. Fact is NO ONE in DirectPac was going to do that. What Brown did though was spend a lot of city money to stand up and publicly accuse numerous individuals, by name, of a variety of things (find the transcript and read it). When those people tried to respond they were denied the opportunity as they weren't on the "witness list" to testify. Since Brown was both the accused and the accuser, he masterfully had full control of the witness list and entire event and used it to his best.
All of the events in Dufresnes letter were fact. As for the comments of "trash politics..." Browns entire campaign has been allegations, innuendo, and outright attacks on his opponent. Case in point from Browns own letter:

"Commissioner Smith tried to cover his tracks by saying he would excuse himself from the portions of bank board meetings when there was a conflict of interest. The problem with that is neither the public nor the news media is allowed in the private Bank of Georgia board meetings."

He is directly accusing Smith of "conflict of interest." No evidence, no ethics charge, no investigation, only the accusation. Typical Brown.

Brown states Smith publicly opposes something then votes for it. Well, Steve did the same thing...over and over. Dufresne points out one big issue...Annexation. Brown campaigned as the anti-annexation candidate, then during an annexation moratorium he quietly negotiated with Wieland Homes. When confronted he stated he was acting as "citizen Brown." Really? Suppose Wieland would discuss at numerous meetings with "any old citizen?" Hmm.

You see, we aren't developers, we are citizens. Brown was horrible for PTC and will be horrible for the county. Vote as you may, but standby. Brown will certainly be the most entertaining Commissioner since he has an ego as large as the world, will attack all opponents viciously, and will harass his fellow commissioners with attacks rarely seen.
As for John Dufresne, he is still an American and afforded all rights even if he is serving our country.

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Spear Road guy weren't you a Greg Dunn groupie?

or Linda Wells or one of them? I hope you'll answer that. If you were nuff said

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Spear

I don't need to read anything again, same crap, different degree, MAYBE. Like I said, no one to vote for in that race. BTW, I didn't read it as going after Brown's kids, just critical of his care of them, different subject altogether. You vote the one you like, to me they're just different cheeks on the same butt.

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You're killing me, Hutch
hutch866 wrote:

to me they're just different cheeks on the same butt.

It's funny 'cause it's true. At least we know what we have if these two guys meet in the middle.

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Steve Brown

In this same issue of the paper you slam Smith over and over. What is the difference between what you're doing and what is being done to you. Wouldn't this be called campaigning? Can't have it both ways Stevie. BTW, I don't say this because I'm voting for Smith, he has less chance for my vote then you do, in fact as far as I'm concerned, I think there should be a third option, the DO OVER option. Oh well, I guess I'll just write in Git, or David's Mom, or Mike King.

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Hutch And A Blogger For Commissioner

Not a bad idea Hutch--"GIT REAL" for Commissioner" does have a nice ring to it--but would folks vote for a successful Small Business Owner? Especially one not afraid to tell it like it is.