Hobby Lobby to move to Fayette Pavilion

Fayette Pavilion owner and manager Developers Diversified Realty Corporation (DDRC) announced Friday that Hobby Lobby will join the 1.5 million square-foot Fayette Pavilion shopping area in early 2011.

Currently located at 939 North Glynn Street near Banks Road, Hobby Lobby after the move will occupy the 57,000 square-foot space at 114 Pavilion Parkway near Publix, formerly the home of Rooms To Go.

The move is expected in early 2011, according to DDRC.

“We are very pleased that Hobby Lobby has joined us at this center,” says David Dieterle, senior vice president of leasing – southern region for Developers Diversified. “Fayette Pavilion is a best-in-class shopping center in a best-in-class location, and Hobby Lobby is an outstanding addition to our tenant lineup and will offer our shoppers additional choice, value and convenience.”

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Agree with Morgan...

Libtards, always want the tail to wag the dog. How did we ever get to the place where an employee dictates the policy of a privately held business? The main point established by the ruling is Hobby Lobby cannot be forced to cover a drug that violates their beliefs. Nobody gets fired for taking it, or for having sex; women can unfortunately still murder the life within them, they just have to pay for the pill to do so. (danz57 is a prime example of why companies need good pre-employment screening and personality profiling, yes profiling).

Use some of that CHOICE thing most bed-wetting liberals inscessantly squeal about...if you don't like your compensation package, benefits, schedule, location, etc., find another job. The real choice that needs to be excercised here, by women, is if you are not ready or fit to be a Mother, CHOOSE to not have intercourse. Proven 100% effective, zero fail rate. And if you are faced with a pregnancy that you aren't ready or fit for, don't expect your boss to pick up the tab for your BAD choices.

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danz57

You are out numbered here!

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danz57

I definitely noticed that.

But if it was 30 years ago and I were argueing for equal rights for women or minorities I suspect I would have been outnumbered too.

Having the numbers doesn't mean your position is correct, and I'm well aware that I'm presenting a viewpoint on this and other issues that is rarely heard in this vicinity. But I also believe it needs to be presented.

I would be thrilled if the Citizen, or any other local publication had one, just one, local columnist who consistently gave a progressive point of view.

Fayette is changing and becoming more diverse, but the local media certainly do not reflect it.

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Dan, we don't really care for your progressive point of view

This is a county that is in touch with American values, not the touchy feely BS that liberals like you worship.
Fayette county is about working people (you know, the ones with actual jobs) supporting their families, recreating on weekends with them and going to a concert or a restaurant once in while without encountering some thug mugging them for drug money.

You can take your diversity and progressive crap and stick it where the sun don't shine. We reject you and others like you. Go get a new tattoo and leave us alone.

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Don't care if you Don't Care

Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I was down at the Pavilion mugging a family so I could get some money for crack and a new tattoo.

You guys make Fayette seem so welcoming.

It will be interesting to see how Fayette handles the influx of new people connected to Pinewood Studios. I suspect they will be different from what most of the posters here are used too.

In the meantime, I have freedom of speech and just as much right to voice my views as you do. The first Amendment still applies, even in Fayette County.

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You have no "freedom of speech" here

This is Cal's website....not yours or mine.

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You and Morgan...

An efficient, well run company should always consider the needs and desires of their employees. Thats one reason labor unions are still needed.

So if a company is owned by Scientologists should they be able to deny coverage for psychiatric or mental health care? If owned by Jehovah's Witnesses should they be allowed to not cover any procedure which might involve a blood transfusion?

The funny things, if this company were owned by a Muslim family and they denied benefits to their American employees based on THEIR religious beliefs the same right wingers who are defending Hobby Lobby now would be posting saying how outrageous it is that god-fearing Americans have to conform to Islamic beliefs and what is this country coming to?

A great U-tube video clearly and succinctly explains the issues here. I recommend it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0AJO1EtM1M

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danz57-Videos and Movies

I tried to watch your video of an emotional young woman using offensive language to make her point. Between her yelling of the "F" word she tries to compare the not covering of life saving techniques like blood transfusions, or discrimination against people, to not covering emergency contraceptions. Sorry to me that is like comparing apples to oranges. Unlike the pill and some other contraceptives, I don't believe that emergency contraceptions have any uses beyond that. For that reason I don't think that this persons case holds water. Sex in and of itself is either for pro-creation or recreation. I don't think any company should have to provide for any medical treatment that is simply there for the pleasure of a person. Yet Hobby Lobby does cover the majority of contraceptives. To me it's like these people are saying "we want to go to the movies and we want you Hobby Lobby to pay for it." So Hobby Lobby says OK We'll pay for any movie that's not porn. And then being told that is not good enough. You pay and we'll go see whatever we want even if it's against your beliefs.

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Boycott Hobby Lobby

In view of Hobby Lobby's total disrespect of the rights of their female employees to make make basic decisions about heir health and reproductive rights I would urge people to boycott them at all their locations and send a note saying why you're doing so.

The idea of an employer forcing their employees to live under their religious beliefs is repugnanat to me and I'm sure to many others. They may have won before the Supreme Court but they are going to lose in the court of public opinion as reflected in their market share.

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How about the Federal

How about the Federal Government's total disrespect of the rights of a private corporation to run their business according to their beliefs? No one is forcing any employees to work at Hobby Lobby. It's simple - you don't like the benefits, you go find a job somewhere else.

By the way - Hobby Lobby already WAS providing 16 out of the 20 birth control methods mandated by ObamaCare BEFORE that horrible law was enforced.

Sounds like you're just another "tolerant" liberal who screams for everyone else to tolerate their views, but you can't do the same. Hypocrite.

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Danz 57, I don't think Hobby Lobby is forcing anyone to live

under their religious beliefs. They are not saying they will fire anyone who takes the morning after pill, just that they do not want to pay for it. Is it not going against their (HobbyLobby) religious beliefs to force them to pay for something that is against their belief also? I really do not think anyone is going to quit their job over this and I think eventually it will all blow over as the Chic-Fil-A incident did. One thing--we always have the right to shop at their facility or to choose one who's owners share our belief. Evidently they are strong enough to stick by their belief and be ready to take the fall-out. As for myself, I do not 'do' crafts so rarely attend any such store--too old to need morning after pill--must rely on coffee for my morning needs, LOL but i think everyone should have the right to their own convictions. Also feel anyone should have the right to hire or fire anyone they wish---guess I am just not a politically correct person.

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Chick-Fil-A has lost market

Chick-Fil-A has lost market share and have eased off their support of anti-gay organizations.

You say that you "feel anyone should have the right to hire or fire anyone they wish"

So if an employer discovered that an employee was gay they should have the right to fire them for that alone?

I'm a hetro white male but if an employer discovered that I'm a politically progressive person who worked to elect Obama and that I'm a religious agnostic they should have the right to fire me?

Is that really the kind of country you want to live in?

That's not being politically correct, that's just being a decent human being.

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Evidently Chick-Fil=A isn't out yet

It was on tv A few weeks ago that Chick-Fil-A surpassed Colonel Sanders Kentucky Fried Chicken in sales. They are now #1 in sales, and they aren't even open on Sunday. How much market share do you figure they lost, and what difference does it make today?

I agree that a person's personal beliefs are no basis for termination. But most folks are vulnerable to the point that other justification may be used. If the boss has his mind made up that he wants you to go for any reason, it's hard to fight city hall. Where there's a will, there's a way.

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Chick-Fil-A's market share?
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Chick-Fil-A has lost market share

Really? Based on what?

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/chick-fil-a-keeps-growing-despite-uproa...

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Lying and being ignorant is the danz57 way
G35 Dude wrote:
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Chick-Fil-A has lost market share

Really? Based on what?

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/chick-fil-a-keeps-growing-despite-uproar/nT85n/

Seriously.When the facts don't agree with their agenda, let's see if we can simply BS people instead and hope they believe a complete lie.

danz57, come on back once you have a clue or a shred of integrity.

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Hey Nuk - danz57

Typical luny left.

Remember last year he stated after the Zimmerman Trial the he was ashamed to be "white" and ashamed to be an American. He then goes on a rant about how unjust the trial was and what message this sends to African Americans.

Bless his little pea pick'n heart.

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Cy: Oh gag

I do recall that now. That is insanely looney tunes and cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

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danz57 you are an idiot.

First of all, Chick-fil-A has not lost market share. You don't know what you are talking about.

Hire and fire anyone the employer wants? You betcha. Right to work state is Georgia and others - look it up. And you are fired if you worked for me.

Firing gay people just because they were Gay? No way, no how. Unless the employee flaunted or recruited.

Worked to elect Obama? Yes, that is a firing offense. You have shown bad judgement and I don't want you working for me. Plus you have increased my insurance costs. And BTW, you are not covered by the company insurance policy anymore.

Hope you understand that.

Oh, BTW, I'll bet you have a tattoo. Not sure I would fire you for that, but I sure wouldn't hire you.

Loser.

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danz57 you are an idiot.

First of all, Chick-fil-A has not lost market share. You don't know what you are talking about.

Hire and fire anyone the employer wants? You betcha. Right to work state is Georgia and others - look it up. And you are fired if you worked for me.

Firing gay people just because they were Gay? No way, no how. Unless the employee flaunted or recruited.

Worked to elect Obama? Yes, that is a firing offense. You have shown bad judgement and I don't want you working for me. Plus you have increased my insurance costs. And BTW, you are not covered by the company insurance policy anymore.

Hope you understand that.

Oh, BTW, I'll bet you have a tattoo. Not sure I would fire you for that, but I sure wouldn't hire you.

Loser.

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idiot, loser really!

As long as I've occasionally posted on this and other forums I've never descended into juvenile name calling.

In my experience that's usually the frightened response of someone who knows that their argument doesn't hold water.

However, note that I could, with ample justification, have called you an ignorant redneck moron, but I exercised restraint and did not do so.

I WILL point our that you are probably reacting out of your fear of the political and social change that America's shifting demographics portend. Ten years from now President Hillary Clinton (or perhaps Pres. Elizabeth Warren) will be in the sixth year of her administration. There will be big Democratic majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court will look different. Fayette County will be as Democratic as Clayton is today.

And a very different America will be emerging.

Angry, frightened white dudes go online and scream "idiot" and "loser" because you know the change is coming.

And you know its true.

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I fear nothing from the likes of you

Your Democratic wet dream of shifting demographics and a continued march to the left in Washington is pure fantasy. Obama has ruined it for you and the other far left loons (no name calling out of fear, just an accurate description) by his overreaching and disrespect of the law and even our country. The pendulum always swings back the other way as it has done for over 200 years. It already started in 2010 and this fall you will see what happens when real Americans have had enough diversity and grandstanding and take things back.

You keep marching out of step with the mainstream independents - it suits you.

There is not one bit of fear in me. I may be saddened by a lack of leadership, but as I have said, it is correctible.

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danz & boycott

Doubt your appeal will get far here--most likely more who oppose abortion than those who support--and that's what the issue is here. Don't think you'll see many employees walk away from their job because of the SCOTUS ruling--perhaps if they want the "morning after" pill, they can manage to buy it themselves,doncha think?

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I'll boycott Hobby Lobby like I boycotted Chick-fil-A

And that was not at all. Instead I and thousands of others went out to Chick-fil-A that week and gave them the highest sales figures they ever had. Glad to see a new Hobby Lobby opening nearby. Have no idea what they sell, but I will go and be open-minded and supportive.

Calling for a boycott is childish - especially when you don't even understand the actual issues - which by the way is opposition to abortion, not anything to do with women's health like Hillary is screeching about. Yes, I think a morning after pill is a form of abortion. So sue me.

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Oh I totally get that it is

Oh I totally get that it is about abortion.

It always amaze me when conservatives when conservatives who scream "My freedoms are being violated" over every government regulation want to restrict a woman's right to control her own body. That's about as oppressive as it gets.

99% of the people I've talked with who oppose abortion do so based on their own religious beliefs, like the owners of Hobby Lobby, and that is forcing others to live by their beliefs. If you don't believe in abortion fine, don't have one, but don't try to restrict others and don't try to restrict your employees compensation package based on your personal beliefs.

Not everybody chooses to live their lives according to bronze age myths.

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websterptc, how right you are

My children are adopted, also. I am thankful each and every day that the biological parents of one of my children were unsuccessful in having my precious baby aborted.

There are plenty of folks waiting to love those little ones.

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Abortion is today's slavery

Slave owners wanted the government out of their lives. They said that slaves were their property and they could do with them as they please. This is where today's supporters of abortion stand.
Then as now it is a human rights issue. It is the seminal issue of the party that routinely manufactures rights out of thin air. Abortion is the Sacrament of the Democratic Party. Death is the ultimate exercise of control. And control is at the root of everything that Barack Obama and Harry Reid have done.
Hopefully the day will come when our country comes to its moral senses and rights this wrong; just as we finally fixed slavery.
And criticizing pro-life people because of religious morals is absurd on its face. You got your beliefs from someone or somewhere. Yours was not an original thought. Sorry to break it to you. So what makes your source of morality (or immorality) better than mine?
I adopted 4 children that someone else did not want or could not take care of. There are millions of people ready to love these unwanted children.

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danz57, "a woman's right to control her own body?"

Abortion is abortion! Killing a baby is murder! I don't believe in either.

Why should Hobby Lobby be forced to go against their beliefs and provide the means to take a life if their employees choose to create a life?

If a woman wants to control her own body then she should control her own actions.

Why should a company be responsible for their employees' irresponsible behavior?

Why should an innocent baby have to suffer for his/her parent's irresponsible behavior?

When I purchase something from Hobby Lobby, why should I have to pay extra so their employees can participate in irresponsible behavior?

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Yes "a woman's right to control her own body"

Okay, point by point.

"Abortion is abortion! Killing a baby is murder! I don't believe in either."
You can believe whatever you like. You don't have the right to force your beliefs on someone else.

"Why should Hobby Lobby be forced to go against their beliefs and provide the means to take a life if their employees choose to create a life?"
They are NOT choosing to create a life. That's the whole point. And its not taking a life or even causing an abortion. The birth control methods objected to by Hobby Lobby simply prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall. That is NOT an abortion. Its estimated that up to 40% of fertilized eggs normally fail to attach and are flushed from a woman's body without her even being aware of it.

"If a woman wants to control her own body then she should control her own actions.
Why should a company be responsible for their employees' irresponsible behavior?
Why should an innocent baby have to suffer for his/her parent's irresponsible behavior?
When I purchase something from Hobby Lobby, why should I have to pay extra so their employees can participate in irresponsible behavior?"

I really don't understand your repeated references to "irresponsible behavior". Most people would say that using birth control to prevent an unwanted pregnancy is actually responsible behavior.

Do you mean that any sexual act without pro-creative intent is irresponsible? If so, that seems pretty extreme.

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danz57, I believe

that life begins with conception. At conception there are "living cells." The operative word is "living." Those "living cells" contain human DNA that determines sex, color of hair and eyes, bone structure, etc.

I maintain that if someone does not intend to conceive a human life, they are acting irresponsibly if they engage in activity which might cause human life to be conceived. If someone does not intend to kill themselves, then it is acting irresponsibly to play "Russian Roulette." If someone doesn't intend to have a head-on collision, then it is acting irresponsibly to drive the wrong way on a freeway.

Perhaps the owners of Hobby Lobby believe as I do that a fertilized egg is a "living" being. If that is the belief, then "the morning after pill" is a form of abortion.

Also, if Fayette County and her publications (columnists) aren't progressive enough for your tastes, you should certainly move to another county.

It seems to me that you went to a whole lot of trouble to dig up a very benign article about Hobby Lobby to give your views a foundation. Why not just send in a letter to the editor? I can promise you that if you send in a letter to the editor which includes all of your thoughts here, you will receive a boat load of comments.

I stand by my statement that Hobby Lobby should not be forced to pay for an employee's "oops, I didn't mean to do that!"

If you are entitled to your beliefs, and I am entitled to my beliefs, then the owners of Hobby Lobby are entitled to their beliefs.

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Sigh…I believe I'll have another beer

So let me get this straight.

You said:
"I maintain that if someone does not intend to conceive a human life, they are acting irresponsibly if they engage in activity which might cause human life to be conceived. If someone does not intend to kill themselves, then it is acting irresponsibly to play "Russian Roulette." If someone doesn't intend to have a head-on collision, then it is acting irresponsibly to drive the wrong way on a freeway."

Wow, that is one tortured analogy. So if someone doesn't want to have children they shouldn't engage in sex?

So if a married couple who really don't want to have any more children have marital relations they are engaging in activity which might cause human life to be conceived and are therefore behaving irresponsibly?

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Dan, Clarification

Does your hypothetical married couple BELIEVE that life begins with conception?

I thought we were talking about beliefs and whether or not Hobby Lobby should be forced to compromise their beliefs for their employees.

My comments were based on my beliefs. It seems to me that most married folks, who believe that life begins with conception, would use some form of protection to prevent conception if they didn't want to have any more children.

All it takes is just a little responsible planning.

When we are dealing with different beliefs, the question of when life begins could be debated from now on. The issue of whether or not "the morning after pill" is a form of "birth control" or a form of "abortion" could also be debated from now on. It all depends upon one's beliefs.

If you were to go into twenty businesses next week where those business owners were required to pay for contraception for their employees and that cost was passed along to you, is that extra cost hunky dory with you? After a while, that cost could really add up.

I BELIEVE that we should all be responsible for our own actions. I would not expect you or my employer to bail me out of jail or any other predicament. However, you seem to think that we should all be responsible for each others' actions.

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RWM-Hobby Lobby

I haven't been in Hobby Lobby lately but I do plan to stop by now just to see what they have. See ya there!

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Hobby Lobby

has just moved into the old Belk's location in the WalMart shopping center in Newnan. No need to go to the Pavillion to shop Hobby Lobby.

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Hate To Hear This....

Especially since I enjoy shopping at Hobby Lobby... but I don't go north of Lowes. Just don't want to get into that Clayton, Fulton crowd that shop (lifts) at the Pavilion.

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