Federal judge orders district voting in Fayette

Fayette County is about to get district voting for all five seats on both the Fayette County Commission and the Fayette County Board of Education.

County Commission Chairman Steve Brown, while expressing his astonishment that the federal judge brushed past a significant legal hurdle to find for the plaintiffs, said Tuesday afternoon that an appeal is not certain.

“We’ll meet with our attorney this week,” Brown said. “If she says she thinks we have a shot on appeal, then we’ll appeal. If she thinks we don’t, then we won’t.”

The net result of the judge’s ruling is almost certain to be that all Fayette residents will lose their right to vote for all five seats on both governing bodies. Instead they will be allowed to vote for only one county commissioner candidate and one board of education candidate.

U.S. District Court Judge Timothy C. Batten Sr. has ordered all parties in the case to submit “proposed remedial plans” for the next election cycle “on or before June 25, 2013.”
Batten’s Tuesday order grants summary judgment to the individual plaintiffs in the case along with the state conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, who had argued that the county’s district voting process precluded black candidates from winning a seat on the county commission and board of education.

The judge’s order grants the plaintiff’s wish to create a district voting scenario, which is markedly different than the current at-large voting process. Currently, all Fayette voters are allowed to vote on all five seats on the county commission and board of education.

Under district voting, voters will be limited to choosing just one person for each governing body, depending on where each voter lives.

In his order, Batten determined that the current at-large voting process “essentially guarantees that no African-American will be elected to either board.”

While minority candidates have run in recent years for office on both the county commission and board of education, they have been unable to win acceptance of many voters beyond the precincts dominated by African-American electors.

Opponents of district voting have argued that those minority candidates were inferior to the ones who ultimately won office. Opponents also pointed out that Fayette County voters elected and re-elected an African-American lawyer as Magistrate Court Judge: Charles R. Floyd Jr., who remained in office until his untimely death several years ago.

In the order, Batten determines that even though the district voting map presented by the NAACP and the Fayette County Board of Education did not create a single district with a majority population of African-American voters, there was enough for him to determine that district voting was necessary under the federal Voting Rights Act.

“Here, it is undisputed that no African-American has ever been elected to the BOC (board of commissioners or BOE (board of education) and that voting in Fayette County is racially polarized in BOC and BOE elections,” Batten wrote. The judge added that the other legal factors weighed in the plaintiffs’ favor, too. “Thus, the Court is satisfied that “under the totality of the circumstances, [African-Americans in Fayette County are] denied meaningful access to the political process on account of race or color.”

The board of education in February 2012 attempted to settle the lawsuit with the NAACP by proposing a new map and adopting district voting. Although the court initially approved that settlement, the approval was rescinded after the Fayette County Commission objected. Batten later indicated that he was unaware the commission had not agreed to that settlement.

While district voting will limit the number of candidates a Fayette voter will be able to cast a ballot for, it will also make it more difficult for all Fayette voters to attempt a recall vote of an elected official. That’s because to recall a candidate, Georgia law requires that the citizens signing the recall petition, and those who are allowed to vote on the matter, be a voter in that particular district.

Fayette has had county-wide voting for most of its history; the county was created by the state legislature in 1821. At-large voting for what were then known as the commissioners of roads and revenues soon followed.

One wild card: The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to issue a major voting rights law decision later this year. Some observers believe the court might invalidate parts of that law, including the part that became the basis for the lawsuit that the county just lost.

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ADDED JUNE 3, 2013 —

Corrections

The NAACP has asked that two corrections be made to the May 22 story about district voting.

“First, you write: ‘In the order, Batten determines that even though the district voting map presented by the NAACP and the Fayette County Board of Education did not create a single district with a majority population of African-American voters, there was enough for him to determine that district voting was necessary under the federal Voting Rights Act.’

“On page 42 of the Court’s Order, Judge Batten refers to Plaintiffs’ expert ability to ‘achieve a district that has a voting-age African-American population of 50.22%.’ He goes on to conclude: ‘In sum, because Plaintiffs have shown that the African-American voting-age population is sufficiently large and geographically compact to constitute a majority-minority district in Fayette County, they have met the first prong of Gingles.’

“Second, you write: ‘One wild card: The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to issue a major voting rights law decision later this year. Some observers believe the court might invalidate parts of that law, including the part that became the basis for the lawsuit that the county just lost.’

“You are referring to Shelby County, Alabama v. Holder, a pending case that challenges Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, http://www.naacpldf.org/update/ldf-defends-section-5-voting-rights-act-u.... Section 5 is a distinct provision of the Voting Rights Act that is not at issue in this case.

“The Court’s Order relies on Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act to strike down Fayette County’s discriminatory at-large method of electing members to the County Board of Commissioners and Board of Education. Section 2 forbids the use of any electoral scheme, such as Fayette County’s at-large method, that “submerges” minority voters in a district — here, the County — that is controlled by the white majority. And Section 2 provides for the type of remedy that the Court’s ruling provides, i.e., a creation of single-member districts to replace an at-large method of election.” — Leah C. Aden, assistant counsel, Political Participation Group, NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, Inc. (www.naacpldf.org).

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Another "affirmative action" politician

The district, drawn to produce a black majority, stretches from Orlando to Jacksonville and includes parts of 14 counties. In some places it is only a few yards wide. Its avowed purpose is to make probable the election of an African-American to that congressional seat. It succeeded in that purpose.

Andy Johnson of Jacksonville, who is white and lost to African-American Democratic Rep. Corrine Brown two years ago, says he is encouraged by the second portion of the federal court's ruling. The judges stated that they would continue to consider his basic argument that the district is a gerrymander and illegal.

Drawing boundaries so that a particular ethnic group is assured of a seat smacks of proportional representation - and that is foreign to the American system. Our system should be color-blind, ethnicity-blind, religion-blind, but that cannot happen when we apportion ourselves according to the happenstance of birth.

Horseshoe District Blessed With Ringer

"Proportional Representation" - - just a fancy term for segregation.

The goal of the NAACP is to divide Fayetteville into SEGREGATED areas, something that MLK was against.

People should be voted into office based on their qualifications and character. Everyone with a brain can see exactly what is going on with the Judge's decree, and it stinks to high heaven.

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I couldn't agree more.....qualifications and character are what we look for, not what color your skin is.

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Content of Character not color of skin...

It seems many have forgotten that, including the NAACP.

But considering their name...National Association of COLORED People..I guess color is all they care about.

Can't speak for Dr. King but I think he would not approve of them much.

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District voting

Judge Batten sold out the black population by his ruling. Districts segregate groups, so as in this case, to guarantee a black, qualified or not, a position of power. The naacp can not survive if black people become colorless. The naacp is the enemy of the black people along with Judge Batten. They work together to demand priority based on race. They segregate themselves when convenient. They demand an edge in applications. The nation will give contracts, jobs, appointments, etc., to lessor qualified if they can claim minority status. The person then goes into the position demeaned from the start. He may not care, but knows that he did not achieve the goal as a colorless person. He can not feel equal status because he was aided by affirmative action, EEOC, lawsuit of the naacp, etc., These self serving groups, like the naacp, reduce the incentive to work harder, they reduce self esteem, they create and build animosity in the black people. Until the black people, themselves push away the racist groups, the racists aids, and demand that they succeed or fail on their own merit, then they will always be inferior.It will be the only way they will ever achieve the respect of equality. This judge has taken another opportunity for them to do this, He is not representing the will of the people, but only the will of the few, those that insist on giving advantage, based on color only. He will say his rulings are law based, which does not necessarily mean,that justice has been served. Zero tolerance has, in the US, replaced justice. His ruling said that the people of Fayette would keep out a black person just because of their color. His ruling says the people can not select the person that they feel is best qualified. He has agreed to gerrymander the districts and has enforced the black attitude that they can, as a group, manipulate, sidestep, having to prove that they can earn it on their own. The achievements obtained by volume, and not by confidence of ability and respect , will not endure the test of time. Both Batten and the naacp have failed and only hindered the progress and advancement of the colored people.

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Hunter

I've never seen it stated so well. It is the cold hard truth.

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Forget Presberg, not his fault

He wasn't around the BOE when the elected BOE morons built Rivers in the first place. It wasn't necessary then and sure hasn't been since the day it opened.

I don't know what some expected the BOE to do with a useless building/property like Rivers besides sell it at a big loss and move onward.

Of course, two members named Todd and Key were both in favor of building this boondoggle in the first place, but a lot of people here think that both are some how great stewards of anything and they aren't.

This is a clear lesson that when you give the FC BOE money, they will spend it stupidly, no matter what. Some of them will later complain about it and try to ignore how they voted already.

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NUK_1 - Blaming Presberg

I am certainly not blaming Mr. Presberg of anything except a lack of professionalism, investigative process analysis and rational thinking.

His letter to this paper illustrates these shortcomings better than anything that I could possibly write here.

What we need in this county are people that don't have "agendas" social or financial. We need leadership that will look after the county's interests and treat our money as if it were theirs. By "interests" I mean, among other things, providing a safe and secure community beginning with students in our schools. Something that Mr. Presberg fails to acknowledge as his responsibility as a member of the BOE. He chooses instead to act as some kind of amateur cheerleader for social causes and a local high school.

As to the other BOE members, I haven't seen much from them on this front either, but it was Mr. Presberg who chose to go public with his outrageous and preemptive assertions that were completely off subject. He did nothing to dispel the notion that things are out of control inside the classrooms of SCHS, he merely gave us his social views. This is not good enough. Given the flippant response by this board member, I would suggest that a broad investigation of all Fayette schools may be in order with a complete review of policies surrounding student discipline.

Schools are an integral part of why people live in a community, if we don't have leadership on the BOE that will protect, foster and build a strong learning environment, good people will choose to leave. We cannot let this happen. We should demand better.

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PTCO: I agree

I'm certainly not defending Presberg overall because he's got his own agenda and probably isn't qualified to lead the BOE in the first place, but the Rivers' school being built for no reason whatsoever besides the BOE being suddenly flush with money didn't happen on his watch.

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Nuk, Presberg & Voting

A person who votes for himself as Chairman says much about himself.

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AHG: I agree but......

did you have a problem with Steve Brown twice voting for himself to be FC Chairman?

Sorry I didn't notice ur email quite a while back....went into the SPAM folder. Yeah, it's time to get a Mugshot IPA! Does Johnny's still run that?

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Don't like anyone voting for themselves--but factually, no one else was nominated. Of course he could have abstained, like McCarty did. Bad news--Johnny's dropped all the Jailhouse Brewery products--said they weren't selling. Now Sweetwater IPA is quite tasty

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The way I see it is if I can only vote for one member of which ever commission represents my district then my tax dollars should also stay in my district. To force me to pay taxes that support another district that I have no vote in would be a form of taxation without representation.

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Taxation without representation

Good thought, but how can you justify federal taxes and Congress? Same thing, isn't it?

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Good thought, but how can you justify federal taxes and Congress? Same thing, isn't it?

For the most part, I don't justify federal taxes and Congress. I don't think they can be justified. And yes it is pretty much the same and it's still wrong.

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So what's next G35?

Draw the line here and use our tax dollars to fight a losing cause with Steve Brown as our titless leader? Knuckle under and let the district thing proceed and see if we get a nice, articulate and well groomed black commissioner? (Joe Biden said that long before I did, David's Mom - don't get on my case). Fight Congress and unseat the bad apples? Repeal whatever amendment is was that took away the States power to appoint Senators? Push for the Fair Tax?

Going to have some tough decisions coming up. But of course as we always do, we will choose none of the above and go watch Entertainment Tonight. The younger ones will watch Jon and Steven on the Comedy Channel.

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No need to get on your case - you are expressing yourself honestly - as did Biden. It is difficult for me, here in this part of the country, to deal with all of this honesty about fear/distrust/ disrespect of black people. For so long it apparently has been discussed only with those who agree with/understand it. What is interesting is when these statements are made - the 'maker' doesn't seem to feel it is racist. I'm learning. Thanks for the honesty. No - I don't think you are a 'racist' who would hurt me or my children - I happen to believe we are all suspect of the unfamiliar or 'different'. Am I wrong to suspect that some people think that there are not any nice, articulate, well groomed blacks in Fayette County that would be acceptable to the nice, articulate, well groomed 'white citizens' of Fayette County? (And even if there is - he/she would not be particularly 'acceptable' under these 'forced' circumstances?) I've heard that before - when schools were integrated after Brown vs. Bd. of Education - in the NORTH. (Communities were segregated in parts of the north - and children were bussed for integration) I also found it interesting that one poster was uncomfortable because citizens who weren't 'white' DEMANDED their rights as citizens - the poster was referring to 'black' people. Wow - I guess we all ponder Do unto others on Sunday - and then forget all about it on Monday. I understand that some neighborhoods in the south were integrated, and children played together until it was time to attend school. Then came the distrust, suspicion, etc. when some felt that others were not good enough or too good to join in the school experience - and black children became 'inferior playmates'. I'm referring to us 'old' folks now - for I see very little trace of this in today's schools around our country - kids seem to relate to one another based on kindred tastes, interests and background experiences) I don't deny that I have 'racist' thoughts - but I am grateful that I had the opportunity to live in integrated neighborhoods, attend integrated schools and never, during my childhood, had the lesson 'taught' that one was superior or inferior because of the color of their skin. These lessons came later. (You have to be carefully taught to hate) Words from a famous song. Again, I'm grateful for MLK's leadership at a critical time in our history - for implementing non-violent protests - where blacks and whites joined together and were taught to turn the other cheek during the Civil Rights movement which fostered a change in most parts of our country. . .and more citizens obtained rights as guaranteed under our Constitution. There are still two counties in Georgia that have Districtwide voting. I have a feeling that the Supreme Court will look at this carefully before granting freedom from the monitoring implemented under the Voting Rights Act for certain states in our country - and the states practices regarding equal representation. These are interesting times that we live in.

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Fight Congress and unseat the bad apples? Repeal whatever amendment is was that took away the States power to appoint Senators? Push for the Fair Tax?

As you know - there are a great many people working on some of these actions. This is not a time to 'turn the Channel) LOL.

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Plenty of qualified blacks, Mom. Articulate and everything else

All are qualified to run for office and some did. i think the lady running for school board simply lost because more people voted for he opponent - hey, it happens. But the group of blacks - 3 or 4 that ran for county commission several years ago did not do a good job of vetting themselves and then thinning their ranks. Robert Horgan then won because the majority of voters in the county knew absolutely nothing about any of the candidates and they saw one white face and a group of black faces and they elected Horgan. Elected him without a runoff. Pretty amazing and that is the kind of thing that could have prompted the NAACP lawsuit. Everything was legal, but the black community didn't like the result - so change the law.

Now if the black group had supported one strong candidate who had a chance to establish an identity and a political philosophy, it may may have turned out differently. Or if there was a runoff - same thing. But none of that happened and I can honestly see where some in the black community actually believe a black candidate will never win. I don't agree, but it doesn't matter - we will have district voting unless the Supremes get the Feds off our backs. Either way, it won't hurt the county anywhere near as much as some of the other commissioners - all male, all white.

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Thanks for taking the time to respond.

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Now if the black group had supported one strong candidate who had a chance to establish an identity and a political philosophy

I totally agree - if the goal is to have a 'black' candidate. It's difficult to get honestly concerned/committed citizens to run for political office in the current political climate anywhere in our country. I appreciate your bringing me up to date on history of some politics in FC. Enjoy the rest of the day!!

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Call me naive, but in this day and age when anyone of any race,

color, religious belief or whatever can live in any district they choose, why does there have to be any restrictions on any kind of voting? I know there are those that will say some are restricted from living in certain areas because of their finances--well, that applies to all races and nationalities. If you are non-white and move into a mostly white area then most of your candidates will be white, same if you move into a predominately black or latino neighborhood. If I moved into predominately black neighborhood, would it not be naive of me to complain that I do not have a white politician to represent me in my area?

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Do you think it's unusual for persons who live in a 'black' area not to expect to have a 'black' - or someone from their area to represent them? I don't live in a 'black' area - but my neighbors and I (all colors) would like to have someone who is cognizant of our issues at the table. We did attend the BOE meetings and had persons present our issues to the Commissioners when needed - our issues were listened to - and heard. North Fayette does not feel they have that kind of input under Districtwide voting, It's called 'gerrymandering' etc. You know what, it may not make one bit of difference, but I think the rest of Georgia wants to get from under the monitoring demanded by the Voting Rights Act due to past practices. With only two counties still using Districtwide voting - it .appears that it is being used to maintain 'white' supremacy at the voting booth. The Supreme Court will decide - soon. and FC will continue to be a role model for life in Georgia. I don't think you're naive at all.
Continue to enjoy this perfect weather!!

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DM, if the people who live in a 'black' area (your words) have a

viable black person to run they will have as much chance as anyone else in being elected. I think too many people say they have moved on until it suits them not to move on. We will never be assimilated until everyone gets over this and until the past is put in the past. I am not saying forget everything that has happened in the past but to not let it color every action and reaction. I know my history--I know all about slavery, also that in some instances blacks had indians for slaves. Slavery of any kind is wrong and will always be wrong and should not be forgotten but it also should not be a crutch. I know there are still injustices and there always will be but some people find them where none truly exixts .
I, for one think asking people to show proof of their residency and citizenship to vote is valid--there is no reason in this day and age for anyone to not have some form of acceptable identification. I can hardly buy a postage stamp without giving out all kinds of identification. If people can get others to the polls to vote it stands to reason that they can also get them to the proper places to procure identification in the odd chance that they have lived to date without having acquired it. I find it specious that there are those who claim that asking voters to have proper identificaton is a means of keeping legitimate residents from casting a ballot. Just my opinion--one that the many brave men and women of this country have fought and died for many years to protect. You enjoy the lovely weather also.

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Dodo Birds and Dinosaurs...

...Eventually everything gets replaced.

Race pimps, race hustlers and race baiters will too.

The only way we can be a homogeneous people will be when we can put aside all of the special interest I've been wronged and I'm offended over this or that people...

Live and let live... Don't mess with your neighbor and they won't mess with you. So they hate you, who cares, hate them back it works for me... Just because they hate you, as long as they don't interfere with your rights, then their bigotry is theirs to own...

We cannot police thoughts nor can we legislate Justice.

Instead of trying to be separate but equal...Why don't we try just being equal for change... Really equal.

That means NO benefits for some aggrieved party over this or that... Equal Justice not Social Justice.

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this whole concept seems strange to me

It is long been acknowledged that Orientals as a whole, have a higher IQ. But whites don't try to stack the deck against them and give ourselves unfair advantages over them to equal things out. (Demand that our kids grades me marked up a whole grade as was done in the past for Blacks for college entrance)

I'm in wonder of this concept. I know many of our ancestors came here poor and disadvantaged, but they were proud. They wouldn't take handouts and it made them stronger.

Is the NAACP saying that they KNOW they are INCAPABLE of making it any other way than to FORCE restrictions on other groups? I think so.

Could it be we shouldn't feed the bears and let nature take the right course as it has for thousands of years?

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I can't prove it, Sugar, but the Asian IQ . . .

. . . issue is largely a stereotype. My two daughters adopted from China will call themselves Americans without hyphenation and without any disrespect to their culture of birth, and my guess is they will agree when they are older that the history of Asian students outperforming the dickens out of their non-Asian peers has more to do with immigrant family culture and hard work, by comparison to a lazy and entitled American culture, than anything else.

It will be a great irony if, one day, one of my China-born daughters comes home with a "B," having missed the A in a class, complaining about how easy it is for those Asian kids with the high IQs to get A's. And it will be up to me to explain that those other kids' Dad might have done a better job of instilling discipline and hard work while I tried the same but not nearly as intense and injecting some balance and enjoyment of life. Therein, I believe, lies the difference.

BTW, to avoid insulting Asian people, the term "oriental" should be used for objects and things, not people.

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Right on Terry, Asian IQ is a myth. Learning is another issue

Asians seem to have a tremendous advantage because they have a history of parents teaching children and stressing the value of education and to treat schools as if they were an institution of learning instead of Facebook live in an ugly building. You could make a case that this is both heredity and environment.

Other cultures have neither heredity or environment going for them but they sure can point their fingers at why Johnny (or Jamal) doesn't learn and blame it someone else.

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Being educated in an integrated school

one certainly learned that 'race' had nothing to do with making an "A". It took hard work, commitment, and a desire to learn. . . . .and parents/home environment that encouraged and supported learning. A lot of Jamal's - with that support have made it to the top. (Barak Obama for one) I know Mr. Morgan that you're not making a general statement about Jamal's - but just saying.

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some reading

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/39176-iq-difference-betwee...

http://www.8asians.com/2011/05/27/are-asians-the-smartest-race/

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/36752-Most-intelligent-race-East-Asians-or-West-Europeans-(-I-Q-vs-Inventions)

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The last reference that suggarfoot shared

is interesting.

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Some more reading.

In suggarfoot's sharing, please, if you're interested, read those who have criticized Rushton's findings. The youth of today have 'moved on' beyond this type of 'crap'! Americans need to unite - not separate - based on 'race'. There are achievers among all races in our society today - and there are losers. No one is blaming anyone for the ignorance of racism - it exists. If we take the time to learn about the uniqueness of our neighbors - we won't need to feel inferior or superior to anyone. As individuals - we are different. . .but we are Americans.

http://clinton4.nara.gov/Initiatives/OneAmerica/Practices/pp_19980901.36...

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BTW, to avoid insulting Asian

BTW, to avoid insulting Asian people, the term "oriental" should be used for objects and things, not people

When I lived in LA I found the "correct term" was Hispanic for a Mexican to someone from South America. Something I never heard before.

From my "Oriental" friends, I also found the Chinese didn't want to be confused with the Japanese etc...I asked several what they liked being called as a group so as not to offend anyone because it was hard for me to tell the difference between someone from Japan and someone from China. I was honest about it and they understood and helped me figure the facial differences. Now I know and call tell right off. All of them said Oriental. I guess they would be quite amused by this now.

As to why they are smarter...I have no idea if it is nature or nurture...it just is. I've seen arguments for both.

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Do you mean Asian?

The word ‘oriental’ does not describe ethnic origin, background or even race; in fact, it has deep and demeaning historical roots

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Really? Then can you tell me why ALL my friends in California that ARE Orientals refer to themselves as such?

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Asian-Americans

My father and I were born and raised in California. My grandfather came to California when he was 13. Our family has always had close friends who were Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino. My grandfather stored much of the belongings of the Japanese-Americans when they were sent to 'camp' - so that they would have their belongings when they returned. It was around the late 50's that the term Oriental was considered pejorative by those friends my age. (At least they made me aware of their feelings regarding the term) All government forms today have the words Asian-American as a selection for those who care to identify themselves as part of the Eastern cultures. My friends would often say - "they think we all look alike - and to them, we do". The Asian cultures are so gracious - that out of respect for your age, you were not corrected. (Or they figured you wouldn't understand their feelings)

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Asians and the Refuge of America

The refuge of the American experience has lifted most Asians out of the threat of poverty, real poverty, this is why they seek to drive their children to excellence. A strong family, is the core of this success,and nothing else.

It is not a myth that Asian families work hard, save and invest in their children. Children and their success is a matter of pride with Asians worldwide.

This is something that a government dependent society can learn from our Asian citizens.

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so very true

"This is something that a government dependent society can learn from our Asian citizens"

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that is a crock

I never called them Orientals till they told me the term and told me to call them that as a group. They never asked me to call them Asian.

The Orientals don't look for slights. They live their lives in a way that makes them respected.

They were, and still are, some of by best friends...and yes, they think this is funny to drag up WWII, they have moved on from that...DM you might take a lesson from them.

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You continue to cast Pearls (of wisdom) before (racist) swine. I would respectfully remind you you that almost everything in life is defined by the "Bell Shaped Curve". The Orientals in American society have long since established their position on that curve and you can see the evidence of that achievement in daily life in Fayette County. Always keep in mind that there is that curve within the curve for individual groups.

Ditto for our Resident Racist and her small band of race apologists.

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You are right about the curve within the curve.

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It's a waste of time to try to correct them. Enjoy suggarfoot! - I'm sure you have so many other endearing qualities - that your friends have just accepted this IGNORANCE that you continue to display regarding Americans of different races. Honey - I have moved on -I'm a black California girl who has moved to Georgia. Before my family traveled to visit relatives in the 50's who resided in the south, we had to be carefully taught how to act around southern white folks - because their laws were different from ours. Man, it was like going to a foreign country!! But you knew that something was different when you were escorted to another car on the train once you crossed the Mason/Dixie line! (Whatever that was!) I celebrate Georgia today because we have come so far as Americans since the days of Jim Crow - and then we read words like you and some others express - words from yesteryear - and we realize the hope is in the youth of our country. Suggarfoot, I'm not the only one who realizes how clueless you are.

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and yes, they think this is funny to drag up WWII, they have moved on from that...DM you might take a lesson from them.

Maybe you'll join us (my Asian- American friends) this year when we make the annual pilgrimage to Manzanar in California. My Japanese American friends whom I have known since elementary school, have moved on and are very, very successful - but they have not forgotten what they and their parents endured during WWII. (Some of their relatives did receive reparations) And I have not forgotten what I and my parents endured under Jim Crow/segregation. . . and suggarfoot, I am now a proud citizen of Georgia - with no fear whatsoever. But all Americans are vigilant that the ugliness of the past regarding racism will not rear up its ugly head ever again in these United States! Suggarfoot, there were others who questioned you. Were they black? Should they 'move on'? Actually everyone has - except you. Welcome to 2013, the correct nomenclature in Asian- American. For Pete's sake suggarfoot - what were you calling them that they 'asked you to call them Oriental?'

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Someone is a nickel short of a dollar.

"Oriental" is considered to be an antiquated, pejorative, and disparaging term in the United States.

If all your "friends" in Cali say this, it is akin to an African American calling one another the not so nice word.

You show your ignorance stereotyping people stating that the "Orientals as a whole, have a higher IQ". Do you actually believe the garbage you spew?

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If people can get others to the polls to vote it stands to reason that they can also get them to the proper places to procure identification in the odd chance that they have lived to date without having acquired it

This was accomplished in the 2012 election. And again, slavery is not the issue - or looking at it as it relates to history - it is the remnants of Jim Crow thinking and practices that has been overcome in many places. . .but still, evidently is an issue in 'race-relations'. The 'proper identification' ploy has been dealt with. It is the fear of the browning of America - and the radicals on all sides of this 'race' issue in our country that has to be dealt with and solved. WE ARE AMERICANS, Black/white citizens of France are French. Black/white citizens of Canada are Canadians. As I perceive from your words - black/white citizens of the United States are Americans - but as you have read in this 'blog' - there are those who still resent either one (black/white/brown/yellow/red) for past and present practices - and feel it necessary to continue the division that was legal less than 60 years ago, Citizens of this country have allowed the hurt/mistrust felt by all concerned to simmer too long. The youth are dealing with human character and actions - and really feel it's history; interesting; sometimes nonsensical - and they are truly moving on as Americans. My hope is in the youth. (I think we are on the same page here.)

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@ DM (questions)

What are the issues that the residents of the northern part of the county have? Where is the demarcation line for the northern part of the county? Please name some roads so I will know if it is the entire northern section or the NE or NW. Why do the BOE and FC commissioners listen to all the other residents in the county but not those in the northern part? Thanks.

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I do not know the answer to the questions asked. I am not a resident of north Fayette County. I am not a member of the local NAACP. The lawsuit was brought by the Georgian Conference of the NAACP. ‘BLACKS’ are not the only residents who would prefer District Voting. Districtwide voting and creative gerrymandering are strategies that have been identified with past ploys to limit the power of ‘minority’ votes. I've shared some interesting information about the demographics and growth of Fayette County. The Citizen had a graphic that may answer some of your questions.

http://www.fayettega.org/workforce/profile

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/information/county_profile.htm

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mudcat - Jon Stewart

Personally I like Jon Stewart and I'm not young by any stretch of the imagination but that's just me.

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NAACP and Conservative protests of aggrievements analogous

The African-American community perceives a long history of discriminatory treatment by the ethnic majority and cites case after case of historical aggrievements to bolster these claims. The African-American community considers legal redress of this discrimination a matter of fairness. Reading this blog, opponents of this particular legal redress offer multiple objections to this remedy: It’s ancient history that isn’t our fault; the correction administered merely inflicts unfairness to the other side; African-Americans have already received enough reparations; Blacks have achieved the White House and numerous elective offices, so further “leveling” in unnecessary.

Political conservatives endlessly recount their unfair treatment by the mainstream media. On this website, multiple citations of discrimination against conservative causes appear daily with strong sentiments accompanying each recounting. Indeed, Cal regularly publishes political cartoons emphasizing the mainstream media’s neglect of criticism of liberal excesses. Obviously, this is a serious affront to the conservative community.

Most Americans appear unimpressed with the conservatives' claims of discrimination. They tend to deny discrimination altogether or minimize its extent. Further, they attack conservatives for being vocal about their unfair treatment and remind conservatives that they have strident voices to prosecute their causes on TV (Fox), the radio (Limbaugh), print (Krauthammer), and the internet (Matt Drudge), etc. Conservatives are also reminded that politicians of their persuasion represent them in all branches of local, state, and national government.

It is interesting that two constituencies so dissimilar in ideology share such a strong sense of feeling victimized by the majority. And, sadly for each, by and large, the majority doesn't really care.

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In the 1920's, the Jewish people were fully integrated in German society; there was no limit to the office that they held or profession that they could serve. By 1933, Germany began to pass a series of laws designed to restrict the Jewish peoples rights to hold a job or have citizenship. By 1938, the anti-Semitic fires culminated in Kristallnacht, or the night where paramilitary forces of Germany attacked Jewish homes and businesses. After property and wealth was seized, WW2 was started and the Jewish people began the final assault to eliminate them. And during all this time, "sadly for them, by and large, the majority [didn't] really care.". Yes. The majority apathy or indifference is the true test of whether an action is appropriate or not, I suppose

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Wedge it is to "some"...The Majority reaction is all important..

...or at least the perceived reaction. One must always remember that Polls have shown over and over that they only gauge the reaction of those "Polled" and not really the rest of the Country.

Facts be damned it is what they perceive or what the poll that reflects their belief is all that is important.

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Blacks have been given everything they have demanded since the mid-20th century. An end to de jure and de facto segregation, voting rights laws, a war on poverty, open housing, forced busing, every manner of government commission enforcing Equal Opportunity, MLK holidays and black history months, endless dollars to "close the education gap," every handout imaginable, positive role models on the television, hatecrime laws, the control of the governments of several major American cities, their man in the White House, and so on.

This is nothing but a power grab by anti-white, overzealous community organizers with the full force of the federal government on their side. Every conceivable aspect of this is a loss. Can't elect a black candidate based on merit? Cry "racism" and go to the courts.

We can already see how diversity is enriching this county. The future is going to be awful, and all of us here know it.

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"The future is going to be awful, and all of us here know it." Maybe for people like you, I suppose. No more all white juries. No more all white presidents. No more all white boards of education. When will the tyranny of "diversity" end? Your children will be forced to be under the leadership of people who are not the same color as you. How truly awful for you and for them.

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Blacks have been given everything they have demanded since the mid-20th century. An end to de jure and de facto segregation, voting rights laws, a war on poverty, open housing, forced busing, every manner of government commission enforcing Equal Opportunity, MLK holidays and black history months, endless dollars to "close the education gap," every handout imaginable, positive role models on the television, hatecrime laws, the control of the governments of several major American cities, their man in the White House, and so on.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with PTCO! It's too bad that you don't consider Blacks as human beings in this country with the same 'rights' as guaranteed under the Constitution. It's should not be viewed as a 'positive' that anyone in this country has to 'demand' an end to segregation; the right to vote; the right to attend a community school; a right to an equal educational opportunity; a right to see themselves portrayed honestly in the media; a right to receive the same assistance that the majority community receives. When are you leaving? Please don't come near Fayetteville.

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It's working out about as well as any other government program I suppose.

This is the country we live in and the county we live in. There are always other options open to you, it's a free country.

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Spyglass, You Are Right

"Fayette will continue to be as good as we make it!"

Whether we are able to vote for a candidate or not, we should educate ourselves as to the qualifications of all candidates and work for the candidates we feel would do the best job.

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Sometimes they don't make the best leaders. You don't ever know how they will perform once in office after getting elected. It's all an educated guess at best and throwing darts at worst at the local level.

There has been a series of really poor various FC politicians that were easy to vote against; it gets a little tougher when it comes down to voting FOR someone instead of "he/she can't be any worse than the current office holding $#%^$" or the least "worst."

The infusion of candidates vying for the position of PTC Mayor and a guy like Josh Bloom running for Council in PTC gives me some hope. I voted for Ognio and Oddo and I'm still optimistic they won't let me down. Barlow isn't going off the deep-end of the fundie diving pool now and seems to be a better elected official than candidate right now.

People like Maxwell, Horgan, Jack Smith, Hearn, Bearden, Krakeal,Smola, Smith, et al are mercifully gone. While their replacements may/may not be worse, it's a lot better going down this path instead of one of proven incompetence.

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I liked voting for all my County Commisioners..

I guess having that much power just bothers some. It is not like Fayette is all that big....

That said, I don't see this as a big issue at all. Fayette will continue to be as good as we make it.

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History of Voting Rights in Our Country

The NAACP is not the first or only organization to fight for equal voting rights / representation for all citizens of the United States. White males who owned property and some free Black men could vote in 1776.

Free black men can vote in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut. (The Progress Report adds -- in Maryland between 1776-1783 free black men could vote, but between 1783-1810 only those who were freed prior to 1783 were permitted to vote, and after 1810 no black men at all were allowed to vote.)

As you peruse the history of voting in our country, there are some obvious attempts to deny citizens their representation. It is obvious that District Voting is viewed differently by participants in the discussion. Of the 20% minority residents of Fayette County, 16% are business owners. Fayette County does not have a proliferation of low rent apartments or residential areas. The citizens who live in Fayette County are not trash nor thugs. Does one really believe that the 16% minorities who are business owners want to see the quality of life change; schools deteriorate; unsafe shopping areas? There are a number of minorities who live in many areas of the county, and join their neighbors in wanting a representative who voices their concerns about county issues. The color of that person is not tantamount. It is assumed that all minorities in FC have a different purpose for selecting this as 'home' than a 'white person'. There are Black conservatives who live in Fayette County. . . yet some here have assumed that all minority residents of this county are liberal in their political ideology. The generalizations stated here about Black people, followed by the statement 'I'm not racist' is interesting. We're not talking about the criminals who come from other counties. They will not be able to vote in Fayette County. Are we really afraid of District Voting or minorities having voting power?

TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF VOTING RIGHTS IN OUR COUNTRY

http://archive.fairvote.org/righttovote/timeline.htm

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Davids mom wrote:

The NAACP is not the first or only organization to fight for equal voting rights / representation for all citizens of the United States. White males who owned property and some free Black men could vote in 1776.

Question for you, DM: If you agree that skin color is not important, then why the need to change the voting? As it is now, everyone in this County who is registered, can vote, so the people of color have the right to vote! When I go to my polling station, I am in the minority, the majority of workers and the people in line voting are not white. I don't get the feeling that my vote won't count because I am the only white person in line. Is the need to change the voting a way to to guarantee a minority gets elected? That certain isn't a fair way of doing things.

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Good question. The residents in my community (diversified) - and really representative of the 70/20 ratio of FC would like District voting because of the school attendance situation. It really has nothing to do with race. However, the perception of FC in the rest of the state is that District-wide voting was maintained to keep minorities from having power at the voting booth. You of course are well aware that the right to vote does not necessarily mean anything if you live in an area that does not have your interest/issues as a matter of concern. (That is why the gerrymandering - which assures political parties that the majority of the residents in an area will vote to keep that particular party - and the ideology of that party - in power.) I'm referring this to 'local politics'. Nationally, regardless of where you live, your vote counts. Are those citizens who are so against District voting aware that the District may elect Mr. Presberg? There are many 'closet' Democrats in this county. The 47% Georgians who voted for Obama were not all represented by the 12% blacks in Georgia. The younger generation is tired of this attempt to cover abject, but well learned racism as a way of life. It's over! I have no idea of your political ideology. But you are right, the color of your skin has nothing to do with your vote - it is how your vote is counted and if your vote is for someone who represents your concerns. Under Districtwide voting - which has its advantages and disadvantages, at least a minority viewpoint can be represented at the table. (Minority does not always refer to 'race' but sometimes a minority point of view of an issue)

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It's not the 'Right To Vote' issue. What will be telling is how the 'party' in power gerrymanders the District in order to maintain the power they felt they had under the other system. It is obvious from some of the comments that not all are of the same opinion. Some comments made in this forum would appear that there are still persons who fear a minority vote in this county.
I am not familiar with the race relations history in FC, but some have made it clear that they agree with the Judges finding. It's a shame that this issue came up in FC, when the state is hoping to be relieved of the monitoring of the Right To Vote activities in Georgia. I am very happy with the representation that I have in Fayetteville. (There is a Black man on City Council).My neighbors and I are very pleased in how we have been represented as citizens of Fayetteville. (White and minority) I voted for him because he was articulate; aware of the issues; offered common sense solutions to proposed problems. I have not personally experienced any race related discrimination since arriving in FC to live in 2003. (Accept unfortunately in this forum) My experiences as a child and a young adult were totally the opposite, even tho I was protected by relatives and friends who lived here. I celebrate the progress, and will be vigilant to make sure we don't return to the 'old days'.

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Davids mom - you are completely right but missing one thing

of all the people involved the only ones who think "that the color of a person is tantamount," or "have assumed that all minority residents of this county are liberal in their political ideology," work for the NAACP. As a point of fact, IT MUST BE the position of the NACP that all minorities vote in a monolitihic block and only for other minorities, or the NAACP's suit is pointless. In other words, unless it is assumed that all minorities only vote for other minorities, then creating a minority majority district would still not gurantee a minority get elected to the various boards, which is their sole goal. The NAACP are the ones assuming minorities are inherently racisit, not the rest of us.
But since you've seemingly come to their defense I'll ask you the same question myself and other have repeatedly asked those who support district voting but continue to recieve no answer. You state categorically that minorities (blacks) in the county are the same as whites, they, like whites dont want to see a "quality of life change; schools deteriorate; unsafe shopping areas." But then you seem to contradict yourself by stating that minorities "want a representative who voices their concerns about county issues." If you agree that skin color is not important, then why the need to gurantee a minority gets elected? What issues do minorities face in this county that whites do not, if they want good schools, safe shopping and nice neighborhoods just like white people? If skin color is not important as you say, why cant a lawfully elected white, or asian or latino represent balck intrests? Why do you defend the position that only blacks can represent black intrests, but if someone says that someone of any color shuld be able to represent someone esle of a different color, you imply that opinion is somehow tinged with racisim? Please tell me you can see why this appears to be contradictory and confusing.

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of all the people involved the only ones who think "that the color of a person is tantamount," or "have assumed that all minority residents of this county are liberal in their political ideology," work for the NAACP. As a point of fact, IT MUST BE the position of the NACP that all minorities vote in a monolitihic block and only for other minorities, or the NAACP's suit is pointless. In other words, unless it is assumed that all minorities only vote for other minorities, then creating a minority majority district would still not gurantee a minority get elected to the various boards, which is their sole goal. The NAACP are the ones assuming minorities are inherently racisit, not the rest of us.

You see it from your point of view. The NAACP suit, if pointless, would have been thrown out, for it would not have any merit.
I have not read the accusations in the suit. If the claims of Districtwide voting as practiced in Fayette County are not based on racial discrimination, based on current and past practices - I don't think the ruling would be as announced.

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" But then you seem to contradict yourself by stating that minorities "want a representative who voices their concerns about county issues." If you agree that skin color is not important, then why the need to gurantee a minority gets elected? What issues do minorities face in this county that whites do not, if they want good schools, safe shopping and nice neighborhoods just like white people? If skin color is not important as you say, why cant a lawfully elected white, or asian or latino represent balck intrests? Why do you defend the position that only blacks can represent black intrests, but if someone says that someone of any color shuld be able to represent someone esle of a different color, you imply that opinion is somehow tinged with racisim?

The racism is 'tinged' when one feels that Whites will not vote for a Black person and Blacks will not vote for a White person.
There are issues in every area of Fayette County that are unique to that area. But if there is no one on a governing board who feels 'beholden' to that area, it is possible that those concerns will not be addressed. If the minority community in FC felt that their concerns were fairly dealt with, we probably wouldn't even be involved in this discussion. I was worried that my concerns about my property value and the redistricting of the school attendance area would not be fairly dealt with.. We had strong support from integrated families/home owners who fought for our concerns and were successful. Is it possible that a segment of a predominently minority area feels they don't have this power?
Maybe I'll take the time to read the NAACP's case. Right now I'm enjoying this beautiful weather.

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I took the time to read the lawsuit:

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Although Black residents comprise twenty percent of Fayette County, are geographically concentrated in the northeastern part of the County, and consistently vote together for Board of Commissioners and Board of Education candidates, no Black candidate has ever been elected to either of these boards.

Plaintiffs seek to create five equally-populated election districts in Fayette County, each of which would elect one candidate to each board. By replacing at-large voting with district voting, Black residents would constitute the majority of the voting age population in one district, and would finally be able to elect candidates of their choosing to each board.

If this is a true representation of the lawsuit, it states a candidate of their choosing - not a 'Black' candidate. Where does Mr. Presberg live? I'm really not familiar with FC politics except for the complaints shared by residents of PTC. I'm sure the residents of all districts would meet with prospective candidates and make their choice on who would best represent them.

Hasn't that been a past practice? I am not a resident of the northeastern part of FC - but I would have a concern about law enforcement and black on black crime. I would have concerns about the 'football' recruitment - which is a nationwide concern.
Has this been investigated? By the way - all 20% of minorities don't live in the northeastern part of FC . This is a complex issue, but the law has guidelines which are used to monitor the actvities of a community to see if those actvities are following the intent of the law. Evidently the judge agreed with the Georgian Conference of the NAACP on this one. The Supreme Court will be looking at this issue when deciding if certain states have complied with the law of the Voting Rights Act.

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This bed wetting liberal agrees with Mr. Brown on this one and don't agree with the judge. I am sure that Mr. Kawfi will be all over me about it, calling me a few more expletives, etc, but I hope this can get overturned.

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Somebody please explain this to me...

When relocating voluntarily, people will choose a new area because it is perceived as BETTER than the one from which they are moving. This is true on both a macro level (e.g., Mexico to U.S.A.) and a micro level (e.g., Fulton/Dekalb/Clayton to Fayette). "Better" can be quantified in many ways: better schools, lower crime, better economic opportunities, etc.

What I have never understood is this: people will move to a new area because it is BETTER than that from which they came; and then they will work unceasingly to make the new community EXACTLY like the one from which they fled. They accomplish this through lawsuits, gerrymandering, and ultimately electing the same kind of politicians who presided over the less desirable area's failure.

Then, as the schools crumble and the crime rate climbs in the new area, the residents who had worked and sacrificed to build a better community will choose to leave and start over elsewhere. Then the folks who voted to change things will scratch their heads and wonder why their new home is just as bad as the one they left. Somehow they will fail to grasp that THEY are responsible, that THEIR EFFORTS to change the community led to its decline.

And then the cycle will begin anew. Like a swarm of locusts, ignorant people move from one lush area to the next, making the same poor choices over and over, and leaving desolation in their wake.

And so my point is this - Fayette County became one of the best in the state under the current election system. Clearly, this benefitted ALL the county's residents and attracted many new ones. As such, why would anyone wish to replace the current system with one that has failed elsewhere?? To quote Major Clipton, "Madness! Madness! Madness!" I imagine that there will be a lot of head scratching in 10 years time.

Once I understand this desire to abandon a proven system, I'll have to work on comprehending why - according to the NAACP - a black person can only be adequately represented by another black person...

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Silver Star - NAACP

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, is a race based organization that was founded in 1909 by three whites. All socialists, Mary White Ovington, journalist William English Walling and Henry Moskowitz believed that advancing rights for colored people (Blacks) could advance the Progressive movement in America. The catalysis for this movement, that had false starts by the same three whites beginning in 1905, was the 1908 Springfield, Ill race riots. These riots were brought about black workers taking white workers jobs at lower than prevailing wages. Several blacks were killed during these riots.

The NAACP has always been a black organization that advances black causes. The fact that district voting helps get blacks elected to Fayette County offices should be no surprise to anyone. How well a black can manage vs. a white depends on their talent, skills and capabilities. If you don't like district voting too bad the court has ruled and the NAACP has won.

Blacks will vote for a white candidate as long as that candidate panders to their needs and vice versa , that's democracy. So, in the end it doesn't matter. Politicians no matter what color, will line up to give away as much of your money as they can get their hands on, it just depends who gets the slop at the public trough.

It's crime that will change our county, not blacks or whites or Hispanics or Asians, it's crime. It's thuggery in our schools, homes and streets that will cause people to move. If you want a safe place to live in diversity you had better enforce laws and get a whole lot of police, equipment, jails, and judges to process cases. Ignore crime as the cause of community decline if you want, or you can just move and isolate yourself in a new "bubble".

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More info on the NAACP

The Executive Secretary was Walter White:

See information on Mr. White.

http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/teachinger/glossary/white-walter.cfm

We in the 'black' community have always laughed at the belief that the NAACP was founded 'only' by three 'white' people. Do you know the lineage of all of the founders? In 2013, it is not an important discussion point - but many persons who assisted people of 'color' during the Jim Crow era - had a little bit of 'color' themselves . . .especially in the south and eastern part of our country. As I see proud grandparents lovingly caring for their American grandchildren, I realize that this craziness will soon be over.

Enjoy some pictures of NAACP supporters and activists:

http://www.google.com/search?q=walter+white+naacp&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&s...

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DM - Thanks

for your insight, I suppose Mr. White was as black as Mr. Obama is white. You are correct, it doesn't matter either way.

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Not completely sure SilverStar, but I will give it whirl

I think it is the whole thing about fairness - the basis for what passes liberal or progressive thought since the early 1900's. In fact, that brings up another version of your macro example - Europeans migrating to the United States who then lust after all things European, but I digress.

The real goal of these people is for everyone to have the same amount of stuff. Same house, same car, same income. This is called fairness. If you are poor and you want to change that, there is no better place than America where everyone has an opportunity to excel far greater than any other country. In fact, in America you have 2 entirely different ways to achieve fairness.
1. You can educate yourself, work hard, stay out of trouble, save money, maybe create your own business - basically work your way up from poor to middle class to wealthy. Millions of legal immigrants and their descendants have done exactly that. OR,
2. You can envy and even hate the rich and demand that things be taken away from them and given to you in order to achieve fairness. This is less trouble than working hard and there is no shortage of politicians/enablers willing to help. And even if you don't drag the rich people down to your level, you get enough stuff that even though you are still poor you are much more comfortable than those that are poor in other countries.

In either case, these people can move into a nicer area. the #1's do it the traditional way. The #2's needed a boost from the Community Reinvestment Act and Barney Frank and Bill Clinton's AG, but they got there - bad habits and all.

For more on this and related subjects read my post at the bottom of the page "District voting not logical....." and today's Ann Coulter column "When did we become Mexico".

The reason the NAACP can adopt the stunningly racist position that only a black person can represent another black person is because of slavery. Those people who were enslaved were brought to this country legally (at the time) but against their will. They were treated harshly by their owners who are always depicted as white (although factually there were plenty of black slaveowners) so the theory is that only those descended from the slaves have a unique right to be compensated for their ancestors' suffering. The representation idea grows out of that and no white person has the right to suggest that anything about this is unfair since it was our ancestors' who enslaved these people. And no white person is allowed to point out that there are millions of black people not descended from slaves that get on this bandwagon when convenient.

I have plenty of white friends and some black, Asian and hispanic friends that live in the districts represented by Hank Johnson or John Lewis. None are thrilled about the representation. None cite skin color. None have produced a lawsuit or formed an organization that has as it's goal "We want a white representative". As you say - Madness! twice.

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Stop referring to 'slavery' as a cause for today's concern about racism. It's the remnantts of Jim Crow practices and the fear of losing 'white supremacy' that some see as the cause of today's racist attitudes . My mother's generation were the grandchildren of slaves - here in the south some coukd have been the children.of share croppers. That is history. Yes, it has an effect on the present, but Jim Crow practices were part of my generations experience. To be a recipient of those practices was ugly and denigrating. My children and grandchildren have been exposed to this ignorance. I have three greatgrandchildren. They should not have to go through this craziness. There are American citizens in this country on both the left and the right and moderates who are working to end this madness of racism in the United States. If it was history, we would not be having this discussion; the derogatory portrayal of our current president as a monkey would not be tolerated, - and instead of FC getting negative press, the county would be celebrated for it!'s progress.

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There are American citizens in this country on both the left and the right and moderates who are working to end this madness of racism in the United States. If it was history, we would not be having this discussion; the derogatory portrayal of our current president as a monkey would not be tolerated, - and instead of FC getting negative press, the county would be celebrated for it!'s progress.

Who are the people on the left, right, and middle that are working to end racism? What is their plan to end racism? How will we know when racism has officially ended? Please be specific in your responses.

Where were you when our President was being portrayed as a monkey, over and over and over again?
President as Monkey

You were silent. That makes you a hypocrite and therefore anything you state from now on is completely irrelevant.

To coin a phrase, slavery happened a long time ago. It is irrelevant today, so you should just move on. (Move On is a Democrat organization)

FACTUALIZE IT!!

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You could have looked this up - but thanks for giving me the opportunity to share FACTS:

The organization below has done much in cooperating with media and corporations to present the United States to the world as a diverse nation with opportunity for everyone. My grandchildren are exposed to a media that represents all Americans. When I was growing up – there were no ‘blacks’ on television – and then came Amos and Andy (which was seen in the south) and Julia – which weren’t seen in the south in the beginning. The Nat King Cole Show was not shown in the south – and because of pressure from certain groups in our country – the show lost sponsors and was cancelled even though Mr. Cole’s records were sold to millions of Americans and his music is still considered an American legacy.

The state song of Georgia is Georgia On My Mind, written by Hoagy Carmichael and sung by Ray Charles, a man of color.

http://www.noacentral.org/page.php?id=270

The page below gives other organizations throughout the world that sponsors anti-racism activities.

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=cw#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy...

Malcom X left the Black Muslim organization when after visiting Mecca, he realized that Muslims come in all colors. . . as do Christians and members of other faith organizations. In our country, the majority of faith organizations are actively involved in correcting the negative affects of racism/segregation. Most faith organizations and many Atheist organizations work to eradicate racist practices in our country. If the racist attitude could be silenced, more people of color would be Republicans today – for the faith community in the ‘black’ community is very, very conservative.

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You were silent. That makes you a hypocrite and therefore anything you state from now on is completely irrelevant.

You don't know me - but those who do know me can attest that I have never in my life been silent about a concern that I have about my country. You make statements without actually validating if what you say has any basis in truth. Thanks.

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Your commentary is irrelevant because you are a hypocrite.

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Your commentary is irrelevant because you are a hypocrite.

If you consider to be irrelevant, then why did you ask her to answer your questions? duh I gotta wonder if you are this annoying and childish in real life.

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They were rhetorical questions. I knew full well that DM would not answer them, and she did not.

Pull your head out, jaggoff!!

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In the year 2013....

The concept seems reasonable. District voting so that the community is fairly represented in the elected boards. BOE and BOC. That is the idea right ?

If the county elected officals do not have the courage or fortitude to act, then the judiciary steps in. IS that not the way it works?

A court challaenge will bring unwanted attention and put the county in a negative light wouldn't it ? What would prospective employers think.

As it is , it may end up on the evening news anyway.

The trick is to get into the news for good reason and not bad reasons, right ?

Funny how commentators jumped from this to the demise of the county.

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This case is about fundamental fairness and accountability. Plaintiffs want all communities in Fayette County to be able to elect candidates of their choice who are responsive to their needs. For far too long, Fayette County’s Black community, in particular, has lacked the representation on the Board of Commissioners and Board of Education to address many of the important issues that they face.

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This case is about fundamental fairness and accountability. Plaintiffs want all communities in Fayette County to be able to elect candidates of their choice who are responsive to their needs. For far too long, Fayette County’s Black community, in particular, has lacked the representation on the Board of Commissioners and Board of Education to address many of the important issues that they face.

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This case is about fundamental fairness and accountability. Plaintiffs want all communities in Fayette County to be able to elect candidates of their choice who are responsive to their needs. For far too long, Fayette County’s Black community, in particular, has lacked the representation on the Board of Commissioners and Board of Education to address many of the important issues that they face.

What needs have the black community had that have not been met? What issues are not being addressed?

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1. Cheap residential developments in the northwest area

2. Deployment of law enforcement in the area

I doubt that those who live in the area read The Citizen. I do know that many 'middle class' minorities that have lived in the neighboring area have left - regardless of color. Fayette County appears to have conquered the ugliness of racism - but classism may be another issue. I guess it is necessary to express complaints and fears - but to those of us who remember Fayette County in the 50's through the 80's, there is much to celebrate regarding the treatment of people of color.

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Real Concerns...
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1. Cheap residential developments in the northwest area

Should not the Community decide if they want "CHEAP" housing aka Projects or Section 8 housing in their communities?

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2. Deployment of law enforcement in the area

Do you know of any Law-Enforcement mandates that state LEOs will not go into these "areas" as you claim? Are LEOs all white? If not then are the black Officers racist?

Davids mom wrote:

I doubt that those who live in the area read The Citizen. I do know that many 'middle class' minorities that have lived in the neighboring area have left - regardless of color. Fayette County appears to have conquered the ugliness of racism - but classism may be another issue. I guess it is necessary to express complaints and fears - but to those of us who remember Fayette County in the 50's through the 80's, there is much to celebrate regarding the treatment of people of color.

Yes many things have changed. That is a fact. However what is also a fact is certain people have a vested interest in keeping racism alive and well.

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You must think we are all as stupid as the people that voted obama into office again. We know what this is about. It's not about representation, it's purely an 'affirmative action' ploy to elect a black person into office. If the black community had any integrity, they would elect a hispanic or asian into office.

But the NAACP doesn't represent all colors. They only represent black people. Just look at their leadership- Where is the diversity that they claim to hold dear? The NAACP, much like obama, is divisive, hypocritical, and racist.

The mere fact that they believe that they cannot be represented by a white person is the most telling fact that they are racist and too good to be able to be represented by an asian, hispanic, or white person. It is currently understood that all of the elected representatives represent all of the people of Fayette county. Once a black person is elected to office, it will be understood that they are there to only represent black people. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself.

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Irichardson, or anyone like him - please explain

What the key issues are that the black children (in all districts of the county, not just the proposed minority majority district) face? Please explain why a white person cant help with those key issues? Please explain who will help the black kids who live in districts outside the minority majority district if they dont have black reps also? Please explain how a single black student has ever managed to pass high school in this county without a black rep up to this point? Please explain who will help the white children who live in the new majority minority district? Dont we care about them anymore? Please explain what we are supposed to do about the latino and asian kids since nobody (including the NAACP) seems to give a rip about making a microdistrict just for them so they can have their own officials represent their unique issues that they face, or dont they struggle as much as black kids in your eyes? Also, please explain what exactly is wrong with the FayCo education system that this farce of a lawsuit is supposed to fix? We're all waiting with baited breath I assure you.

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The lawsuit states: Representative of their choosing. What is the hangup if they CHOOSE a black/Asian/Hispanic/ person? Georgia wants to get from under the Voting RIghts Act monitoring - but with only 2 counties in Georgia hanging on to Districtwide voting - they may be able to demonstrate that the monitoring is no longer necessary. Adults are not stupid. Just having the 'right to vote' does not mean in local areas your right to vote or your vote will be implemented as the law intended. The operative word here is POWER. And race is not the only segment that is considered in maintaining power - so gerrymandering will be carefully looked at. It was almost laughable that in the designing of an additional District - they couldn't quite come up with a boundary that had 50% minorities. Well, when the college comes in and the movie studio - things may change. Believe me, part of the attraction of Fayette County was the diversity that is seen here. . .and the atmosphere of success and safety. We must elect leaders who have a vision of inclusion - not the maintenance of separation. . . and everyone, regardless of his ideology or political party, having a seat at the table.

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Do the Right Thing

The Board of Commissioners and Board of Education should do the right thing and not appeal the Court's ruling . Fayette County citizens have worked for decades to create real representative democracy through district voting.

Our elected officials must do the right thing and end the nearly two-year fight to preserve a discriminatory voting system that
has cost the County nearly $300,000 (and counting) to defend.

Commissioner Brown recognizes the value of district-based voting, which is why he was a staunch supporter of district
voting when he served as the Mayor of Peachtree City. Given the authority of the Court’s ruling, and our County's dire fiscal
constraints, we can not afford to spend another penny defending what has been declared to be an illegal practice by a federal court in this case, specifically by a judge who, by the way, was appointed to the Federal bench by President George W. Bush.

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Make sure and herd all the blacks into one district

Otherwise, this means nothing. Of course, it also assumes that blacks vote only for blacks(uh, OK, fairly true) and whites only vote for whites(pretty untrue), which is pathetically stupid as evidenced by the fact that a mixed-race president has been elected twice recently.

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Commissioner Brown recognizes the value of district-based voting, which is why he was a staunch supporter of district
voting when he served as the Mayor of Peachtree City.

Oh man, you just stepped into it there. NONE of Steve Brown's current drooling supporters will ever acknowledge this fact and try as hard as possible to pretend he never held that position or chastised everyone opposed as neanderthals. They don't want to comment on that because they have no spine whatsoever, not surprisingly.

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District Voting - The Last Nail In The Coffin

As I have said for MANY years, Fayette is doomed to turn into another Clayton County, South Fulton County and Atlanta. LONG gone are the days when our once beautiful community, great schools and wonderful residents were able to live in a small utopia. We use to have very little crime and top Corporations would suggest our little County as a place to live and enjoy.

I saw this coming and so have many others. Most of us chose to move our families before the downfall began. Others like myself stayed long enough for our Children to grow up and move on before we moved ourselves. My family roots go back over 160 years in Fayette County and it hurts deeply for me to see Fayette becoming just like the areas I mentioned above.

For sure I will be labeled a racist or bigot (most assuredly called so by the huge wave of liberals who are making there way into Fayette) but those who know me know there is not a racist bone or bigot thought in my mind or body. I let the numbers do the talking. Because of my family roots Fayette will always be my home but alas it will be my home from afar as I too took the bull by the horns and moved.

I could say let us all meet here in 10 years or even in 5 years and see if my prediction does not bloom. We don't have to do that though because the numbers for the last 10 years speak volumes attesting to the change that is overwhelming Fayette County today. Crime is higher than it has ever been, land values are lower than they have ever been, graffiti is in place all over buildings and signs throughout the County. People no longer feel as safe as they use to feel and it is getting worse every day.

I still have a lot of family in Fayette County and I pray for their safety and future as well. When I visit them, I look around and I am saddened by all that I see and now with the District Voting to begin taking place the last small pockets of beauty, low crime and real safety in Fayette will soon disappear too.

PS: Just take a look at the names as well as the residences listed on the Fayette County arrest reports page each week. Like I said the numbers speak for themselves.

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This is not good

This is not good, but it certainly isn't the end.

Enough of the doom and gloom crap. There are so many things looking up for this county right now.

Despite my opposition to this ruling and racist concept, the black citizens of this county are as a good people as everybody else, its not like everything is going to change.

The difference between Clayton and Fayette from day one has been the County land use plan. Thank that for us not having any significant amount of tract housing and apartments. Both of which are wholly responsible for the crap hole that is Clayton County.

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All good points

Lots of good going on here.

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I don't think 1 black commissioner can do all that to the county

I think you are reaching a bit, wildfire. Most of our crime is relatively minor and the serious crimes seem to be committed by out of county criminals. I think all that is a separate issue from district voting.

The worst thing that can happen with district voting is having one or more commissioners pandering to the voters in just their district by forcing through "bring home the bacon" projects enabled by tit for tat votes supporting the other commissioner's special projects. So, no one is focused on the big picture - just grandstanding and increased spending. Just like us Congress - what could go wrong?

Now you do have a good point about liberals moving in. We certainly do not need to let them get in power and change this very Republican county into something less. No liberal ideas were instrumental in the building of this county and now is not the time to allow any of those whacky ideas to even be considered for Fayette County. That has nothing to do with race, by the way.

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RWM - I agree, one black commissioner

wont bring devastating change to the county. But if you set the precedent that even though it can't be proven, it is assumed that whites in FayCo are racist and the only way to fix this is to assume that blacks are racisit too, where will it end? This must be the assumption, that blacks will only vote for other blacks, or the whole reason behind district voting collapses. I dispense with the PC term 'minorities' because the NAACP doesnt give a hoot as to how many latinos or asians have been elected to the school board. Nevermind the fact that the NAACP cannot describe what a black rep will do that a white one cant or vice versa. They dont explain what needs of the black school children in this county are not being met or how a black rep will meet those needs, they just aledge that everyone is racist and the only way to fix it is for blacks to be racist as well. It boggles the mind.