Dienhart: ‘I’m against signal, for residents’

During last week’s council meeting, I stated my disappointment that we were still discussing the curb cut into Planterra Ridge and traffic light at the Line Creek Drive intersection.

Over two years ago, City Council promised to protect these residents from the danger and increased travel times represented by this development. It seems that a majority of council members are ready to break that promise.

I believe that City Council needs to honor its word and protect the Planterra Ridge and Cardiff Park neighborhoods. Only through honoring our commitments can this council begin to rebuild its credibility.

After recapping the troubled past of this development, Council member Learnard has asked us to decide what we are for, as opposed to what we are against.

I went into this meeting already knowing what I am for. I am for protecting our neighborhoods and our residents. I am for keeping our promises. I am for protecting the things that make this city great.

These things don’t need a committee or an incredibly expensive study. It requires only a love of this city, and a desire to do what is right. A desire to protect our neighborhoods.

I am not an inflexible man. I will meet with the residents and developers as I promised. What I won’t do, is forget the promises we made to the residents of Planterra Ridge and Cardiff Park.

The other side of this issue is the Council member Fleisch’s proposed traffic study. On the surface, it seems like a good idea. Once you dig down a little further, you realize that the taxpayer would be paying nearly $40,000 for something that GDOT would provide for free.

Council member Fleisch’s idea is not a plan. It’s a stall tactic. The study would not be ready until after I am required to resign to run against her for mayor. Once [I am] off the council, running for mayor, the proposal can move forward without any credible opposition.

During the meeting I invited the rest of council to stand with me in protecting Planterra Ridge and Cardiff Park. Yet another traffic light, making six in that small stretch, and running commercial retail traffic through our largest subdivision is a really damaging proposal.

Please contact the other City Council members and tell them to support our neighborhoods over the developers. Email your thought to council@peachtree-city.org and tell them to not make things unbearable for us.

George Dienhart, City Council Post 2

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Another Cure Idea

How about a couple of 'No Through Traffic' signs for Plantera and then have the Coppers write a bunch of tickets? That might send them back to 74 and 54 to use the widened highways as intended and leave the neighborhood alone.

Little Mayor told us he can't give the residents the road because they can't afford to maintain it....obviously the city can't either, since it is full of cracks and all worn out from all the daily through traffic.

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Haddix: Westmoreland and Adaptive

I had a conversation with his Rep for this area this A.M. at the Calpis ground breaking. He lives in this area, knows the traffic and agrees Coweta traffic is a major issue. He will be looking into getting input to GDOT to make the Fischer connection a priority since he agrees it could be a major help for our traffic issues.

GDOT is already fully aware of this system. As the following report notes, per installation in Cobb County, adaptive systems do not give improvement to synced systems. We are already synced.

http://wolfweb.unr.edu/homepage/zongt/Publications_files/YiZhaoATC-Appli...

Common sense tells you that if you give a better flow to one road, another pays the price.

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Light or No Light

You are still not fixing the problem!

Until you address the commuter issue - Coweta residents passing through Fayette on their way to Clayton and/or Atlanta the problem will continue to grow especially as more homes are built near Fischer Road to be be on the new lake.

Actually we probably made the problem worse,now they will stop for cheap gas and a chicken sandwich. Let's also not forget that when Chick-Fila closes the other store on 54, all those Coweta and Fayette families will travel into this corridor = more traffic!

Pinewood and related companies are coming thanks to the FCDA pros and local developers and we have stinky water and a growing traffic problem.
Where's the 7Ps....Proper, Prior, Planning, Prevents, Piss, Poor, Performance.

Vanessa is right!This is not a delay tactic but a logical approach...bring in the engineers with GDOT and hopefully a professional study can show solutions and gain some much needed support we've lost in Atlanta after being so vocal against the T-Splost. You think Gov Deal has any interest in Fayette after our very vocal campaign against it! Think not.

Just maybe, GDOT working with engineers and not our politicians can and will identify real solutions and push through the proper fix quietly.

If we can spend money on consultants to look into why our service departments want to keep touching each other, then we can afford a traffic engineering study with GDOT to find a long term traffic solutions.

This is like watching the Ted Mac Hour, anyone remember that one!

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I'm just say'n

Larry...If the city would have taken my advise or position eight years ago there would be less traffic on hwy 54. Much of the traffic...especially in the afternoon is coming from south on hwy 74 to hwy 54 west via the 74/54 intersection or Planteria Ridge (just ask the residents). TDK Blvd was the answer to fix some of these issues. Now, people will tell you all the reasons it wouldn't have worked (Cowetta County, Developers, etc), at that particular time it would have been viable and in looking back at it now would have been a really good decision. Shortly after that time, the ability to push TDK through went away because a change in FAA regulations. Thus this opportunity was gone forever.

The other component I encouraged was the developement of the, now soon to be gas station and Chic-fil-A on hwy 54 west. The original plans for this property were absolutely beautiful. Cindy Plunkett lost her bid for mayor partly due to being an advocate for a traffic light at this location. Instead of a beautifal developement we will now end up with a gas station. And since we don't have business people running the city, the biggest component is the 8 years of property and sales tax revenues that we lost and will never be able to recapture. Money just thrown in the garbage.

The irony...in the end we will probably end up with a traffic light.

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Are you kidding me, Dar?

You think the TDK extension into Coweta was a SOLUTION for traffic on 54? Even after the revelation of the large planned development on the Coweta side of TDK that would have run thousands of cars through Peachtree City and compounding the commuter congestion to I-85?

If that is your idea of a solution, I withdraw my prior comment encouraging you to run for office.

Terry Garlock

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Fayette/Coweta need more access points to and fro

Not less. Why this confuses people I will never know.

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Spyglass, I'm not confused at all.

I have no doubt whatever that Coweta needs more access points to I-85. From a regional standpoint it makes sense. The rub is I'm not willing to sacrifice more of PTC's quality of life to make it happen for Coweta.

As I told Mayor Harold Logsden at the time, "If ever there was a time for a mayor to lay down in the road and declare 'Over my dead body!' then stopping TDK is it."

Terry Garlock

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You missed my point

Oh well.

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Coweta needs more access?

I'm sure they would welcome anything that the state or feds would give them, but they already have 3 major points of access to I-85 that blows away anything PTC has, which is why you don't see Cowetains clogging up 74 trying to get to I-85!!!!!

Their biggest priority for more interstate access is an extension to Amlajack and Hollz Parkway and a new I-85 exit and ramp, which has already been approved by the the Feds and is expected by 2020 to be finished. Then you have Poplar Rd/I-85 that is expected to be finished by 2018.

If coweta had a damn thing to do with the 74-I/85 slog, the above would mean something. As it is, Coweta isn't jamming up 74 during rush hour now and sure won't be in the future, even when they develop full-on right at the outskirts of PTC, which was going to happen regardless of TDK or not.

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Haddix: TDK

They still want to build. Representatives from Salt Lake City and Rockville, MD. flew down trying to persuade me to do the bridge.

That is why I negotiated a property "fence" between us and the Lake. Nothing can cross it without PTC permission.

Mayor
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Haddix and TDK

Mayor Haddix
I thought this issue was resolved in late 2011 in a series of meetings where Ted Meeker, Eric Imker, Kim Learnard, Jim Pennington met with Mr. Krakeel and the county attorney and decided on a land swap that provided the county a road they needed to access and maintain their Lake MacIntosh dam and park while ensuring that PTC held enough land stratigically situated to prevent a TDK connection in to Coweta.

With that deal in place back in 2011, no bridge could be built thanks to those participants in those meetings.

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Haddix: Aversion to Truth

http:// donhaddix.com/showthread.php?t=166

For others, here is a copy of Councilwoman Learnard's email to the County with the correct facts around the situation.

None of the proposals we saw from County prior to my meeting contained what was agreed to in our negotiations.

Whatever they discussed in their secret meetings it was not what was voted on by either Council or Commission.

Mr. Sussberg, as with all your other recent posts, they make false claims. But it fits your history of not being credible, pirating others identities, etc.

As with here, you deliberately altered what you read in the link to fit your agenda.

You are getting desperate since your agenda is failing.

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Haddix & Truths or Untruths!

Sorry

There is no agenda, just the truth!

Reality is, you are an elected official and you are campaigning on this blog the same way you did 4 years ago, telling partial truths and/or twists of truths. You have a reputation for this...And let's not forget the $12,000 you took for the citizens of PTC.

You can attempt to put my reputation on the line as your diversion from the real truth (which is something you are known for and pointed out repeatedly). Let's remember, I stood up and took responsibility once I knew the truth of what had happened unbenounced to me, something you are clearly incapable of doing.

I am not running for public office and you are. You are a proven liar and took public money making you an untustworthy liar. You can not hide from those facts! What's worse is you continue not to tell the truth on this blog.

Let's hope those running for mayor will speak out on this behavior in the election and the voters will see it and make the right choice in November.

As repeatedly pointed out (and by other citizens), please stop taking credit for things others have done.

Oh, and as for your Kim Learnard link a cut and pasted above...you were copied on the orginial email, there was no secret meeting-moron!

This city deserves far better!

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Dar and PTC's Lost Opportunities

In the last mayoral election, PTC sunk to its lowest level electing our current mayor. It was a over-reaction to "twists in truths" told on this blog about Cindy. Being an "off" election year, the majority of the citizens did not turn out to vote and were unaware of the issues. The same will most likely be true in this election.

So, we can most likely expect more of the same. Anti-developer and "tax and spend" rhetoric without citizens really knowing how bad our finances were and the need for maintenance that was sorely ignored now to be repaired with the bonds and tax increases, a renewed push for all vounteer development authority duplicating FCDA who is doing a great job for PTC to be funded with $40,000 - $50,000 that we can't spend on a proper traffic study of W54,and a dysfunctional city council with members claiming to be traffic experts.
Sad

As to TDK, that I'm not sure...

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Spot on Dar

We have ZERO leadership in PTC.

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Agree dar

TDK Boulevard would have helped alleviate much of the traffic problems. A lost opportunity.

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Larry

You are correct in stating we should not be politicking on this issue- that would include stalling. We don't need to 40k on something GDOT will do for free. Additionally, the first step in correcting this problem is to not make it worse.

Adding the light will slow down traffic- you have agreed with me on that point in the past. Adding the curb cut will add to the commute times of those living in Planterra and Cardif. It will also funnel more traffic down the streets where they are raising their children. The last point is we already have a corridor where traffic is paralyzed- adding tens of thousands of trips a week is certainly not helping traffic. We have to ensure we dont make things worse before we can solve the problem.

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George and GDOT

Have you spoken to GDOT?
Have they told you due budget constraints a "free study" is years away unless we fund it?

Call Ms Fleisch and ask her.

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Larry, I was at the meeting

We don't know how long it will take until we get on their radar. The 2 year statement was a worse case. "Up to two years". That means it could also be less than 2 years. I do know in a budget cycle where we will struggle to pay for infrastructure (without the proposed ISPLOST), we certainly don't have 40k to burn on a study that GDOT will do. Lets not forget- it's a state highway. It's GDOTs responsibility. What we need is a mayor that has not burned bridges. We also need a mayor that will work with GDOT to get on their schedule, not roll over and let them off the hook based on one phone call.

In short, we need someone that can build relationships and not be run over by state agencies. We'll get our study- by GDOT. We just need to elect a person that is capable of getting it done.

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Haddix: Roll Over and Burned Bridges

The PTC T-SPLOST projects were due to me working with GDOT. As was getting the signage at BSC. Speeding up the CSX cart bridge construction in addition. Now working on the connection to Fischer.

Get your facts straight before, again, making false accusations. I have a good relationship with GDOT and other agencies.

I agree we do not have the $39K.

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Haddix and T-SPLOST Untruths!

Mayor Haddix
You were kicked off the committee by your fellow constituents across Fayette County because of your bad behavior before the RTR committee prepared the Fayette list. It was prepared after you were booted!

Footnote:
Facts are facts, you were booted by your peers from the committee which is embarrassing enough and you were not involved in the selection of the T-Splost list which was prepared after you were booted.

More untruths.

Again taking credit for the work of others.

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Don't have money?

So where is the money coming from for our service department/sexual harassment?

Use that money for GDOT and empower HR to do their job.
Not following the logic especially in light of monies spent on other projects and committees convened.

I guess this just isnt as important? RaceTrac and Chick Fila will compound the problem as is! So the problem is there and will get worse no matter what our traffic experts on city council say!
Light or no light, curb cut or no curb cut.

Meanwhile, expect more empty retail in that area while we wait.
Sad!

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Do you know the occupancy rate in the area?

I haven't been in the McDuff center lately, but it seems to be filling up. The Mayor thinks the way you calculate is to count the empty store fronts/versus occupied store fronts...square footage doesn't figure into it in his world.

There is a reason developers are still wanting to build in that area. I guess some people just like crowded areas, see the Northside of ATL for proof.

That aside, any word on when the Kroger at Braelin is going to start their expansion? Much needed in my opinion.

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Haddix: Kroger

Talking to the reps, the plans approved by the Planning Commission were sent back to Kroger HQ where it will take a few months to create the final interior plans, etc.

The speculation, at that time, was the Fall to start with a 2014 completion. It would be nice if sooner.

Long time getting here. At the end of the Braelinn renovations their corporate told me if it all went successfully, they would expand. Four years later, it is happening.

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Kroger

Agreed, that's where I do my grocery shopping. Can't wait for this to complete.

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That's what I was told. Must have a lot of preliminary work to do or have to budget it out after approvals are given. Or, maybe their construction team is doing other stores first this year. The new lobby ceiling already is leaking there..less than 2 years old. Look up as you go in. Gross.

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There must be a full moon

I am agreeing with the mayor on this one. We need to relieve the commuter traffic heading to and from Coweta and we need to provide another way to gain access to Centennial. How that was built without the second entry point is beyond me. It's a life safety issue.

The light or no light will not mean a thing until both are complete. Any future businesses will just bring in more traffic.

Personally, I don't go over that way for anything, unless its an emergency.

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I don't agree with extending Macduff

I don't think extending Macduff is the answer to the traffic problem on 54 and here is why. I drive home to Centennial down 74 and there are very few cars from Coweta headed that way, as opposed to the number of cars from Coweta coming from the Industrial Park on Dividend, and those heading westbound on 54 from Fayetteville/parts unknown. From my standpoint, the extension to Macduff would be great for my commute times (probably knocking off at least 8-10 minutes). However, I like the security of the single access point, moreso than I do the convenience to 74. When I come home there aren't even that many cars from my own subdivision heading that way at the same time to account for any kind of major increase in traffic on 54. It is all coming from east of the 74/54 intersection and from the Industrial Park on the south (people who by the way use 74/Huddleston/marketplace connector at the Avenue, and Planterra as access points to 54). All of this increased traffic on those side streets doesn't allow the lights on 54 to stay on for a significant enough amount of time to get the traffic through that corridor efficiently. Saturday at 11 in the morning I happened to be northbound on 74 turning left onto 54. That left turn signal stays on for 15 seconds regardless how much traffic is stacked up behind it. Sat through 3 turns of the light before I got through. This is what forces the people from the Industrial Park to choose alternate routes to get access to 54. The light on 54 at Planterra stays red longer than the other lights on that corridor from what I can tell. First the left turners leave from Planterra for 15 seconds. Then the light changes on the other side of the street to let the traffic out of Home Depot/Walmart for another 15-30 seconds(regardless of whether there are 5 cars in the queue or 50). By this time the lights for east/westbound 54 at the intersection 54/74, the Avenue, and Huddleston have all been green for about 20-30 seconds, but nobody can go anywhere because the light at Planterra on 54 is still red, and the traffic is backed up there. All anyone has to do is stand out there for 10 minutes to witness it. What is needed for the whole corridor is a much more sophisticated traffic control system. There are real time adaptive traffic control systems on the market which measure traffic at all intersections, and continually adjusts the times lights stay on to more efficiently move traffic through the system. This is what is needed and the only real solution to the problem. Using money to install this system would be money much better spent than extending Macduff or having a connection to Fischer road at I-85. All one has to do on Fischer is travel another 2 minutes north on Canongate rd. and enter/exit I-85 from that point. Just yesterday, I came down 74 from I-85 and saw a grand total of ONE car from Coweta at 345 in the afternoon. And from the Panasonic tag hanging from his mirror, it appeared he was just heading back to the office in Peachtree City. People from Coweta exiting from I-85 to 74 south is NOT the problem.

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hersch22 nails it

As a commuter myself, I always about gag when I hear the Mayor state as a "fact" that 74 is clogged down by all those Cowetians and they need a new interstate exit off of Doc Fisher Rd. That's complete nonsense and coming from someone who has obviously never been around 54/74 during the morning or afternoon rush hour.

The Cowetians coming in on 34/54 are either heading to their jobs in the industrial park or into east Fayette. They ain't going WAY out of their way to get on to I-85 from 74 when they have PLENTY of better routes!DUH!!!

Cowetians already has easy interstate access by the same route hersch22 describes, plus there is 154 at Thomas Crossroads, a straight shot to I-85 with a lot fewer lights or traffic than what is experienced on 74.

If you live in a neighborhood off of 34 near Sam's, which way do you go to get to I-85 during a work day? If you selected 74 in PTC instead of 154 at Thomas Crossroads or heading up Doc Fisher Rd and then getting on at Sharpsburgh-McCollum Rd interchange, well, you're a complete idiot. I don't think our neighbors are that stupid and I can tell because it isn't Coweta tags all over 74 during commuting times. Good grief...this is common sense.

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Hersch22 and Nuk_1

I've been keeping an eye on this during morning rush, and am also not seeing alot of Coweta tags- thanks for the independent confirmation.

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Well done hersch, there's the traffic study right here for free

I have never seen a better or more concise analysis of the traffic snafu at 54/74. Admittedly, all hours of the day should be analyzed instead of just those of one commuter, but one can't argue against the "real time adaptive traffic control system". The extension of McDuff may not be the solution, but that idea is not going away. No politician wants to annoy the Centennial/Planterra crowd by eliminating that as an option - whether it works or not. But, as a practical matter, that extension is a decade away if the format is waiting for a highly profitable developer to pay for it.

The TDK extension appears to have been a solution as Dar points out, but the Brown regime played big time politics with that and that window has closed. The Fischer/I-85 connection always seemed like a good idea, but as hersch says, that solution is already there - just 2 minutes up the road. No one in their right mind would reject the Fischer to Canongate to I-85 route in favor of 54 east to 74 north to I-85. Nor will the feds approve it or fund it, at least not in the next 5 or 10 years.

So, in the meantime (2013-2023) why not look into the real time adaptive traffic control system? The vendor will have to do their own traffic study just for the privilege of making a presentation - and they will be looking at a lot more than just one traffic light. This is obviously technology that is relatively new and those on staff and council may not be 100% familiar with that technology or know everything about these systems. Seems like a good opportunity to learn something new.

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Definitely worth looking at- but we have to remember, it's a GDOT road. Once we have someone in place to hold GDOT's feet to the fire, we should be able to move forward. This will be something we look at.

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Agree, this is a project for the new mayor

So maybe stalling does make sense. Not sure we need to spend $40,000 for a study - we can just stall until fall and then start governing properly in January. Anything implemented under the current mayor will be discredited when he is. Let him chase the Fischer Road rabbit down the hole.

Good campaign slogan "Stall until Fall".

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RWM-

We can do somethings now. Let me provide this analogy. We are in a triage situation. We've done the first part and determined we can save the patient. Now we have to get the patient stable. Moving forward with some of the plans are counter productive to this goal. I was fortunate enough to make it through my time in the Marines without getting shot. If I had been shot in the left leg, the corpsman would not have turned around and shot me in the right leg. He would have done what he could to stem the bleeding and prevent further damage. That is where we are now- we need to stem the bleeding and prevent further damage. After we do this, GDOT can evaluate the patient and perform the necessary surgery.

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Really Georgie??

Not only is that the dumbest analogy I've ever heard, it proposes nothing as far a solution goes. And you want to be mayor. Sheesh!

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Check out this Link

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/everydaycounts/technology/adsc/faqs.cfm

Lots of good info here.

Be sure to check out the case studies link on the right side of the page, I looked at Tyler, TX and it seemed to be very similar to the situation we have.

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The Mayor is the problem..

he didn't think this property would EVER develop...so he saw no need to work with who might have the best idea. After that, he then said the gas station would never be able to build due to the rock on the site...I assume everyone has seen the beautiful spot the gas station will soon occupy. Now ChicFilA wants to be in the area, why I have no idea....

Let's face it, our Mayor has no idea of how to meet a proper compromise...check out the low income project going in off of Georgian for a clue as to what happens when you fail to lead.

Thankfully, this fall, we have choices...

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Haddix: Compromise

Giving a developer a light and/or connection to Planterra Way that is not wanted and is harmful to PTC is not compromise, it is capitulation.

The Fischer road proposal is a partial answer with which GDOT has already agreed is an excellent plan.

Both RaceTrac and Chick-fil-La have been approved. They are well landscaped and were given a 5-0 vote by the Planning Commission.

NorSouth was the result of data from our engineering department being used against us with the threat of Federal intervention because we did not meet their quota minimums.

Council recognized it, Staff recognized it and so did our lawyer.

I do have a record of good successes for PTC. My opponents do not. Like me or not, that is a fact.

As well my proposals for the Comprehensive Strategic Plan and Future Land Use are not band aids, but real plans to move us forward. Again, my opponents have none.

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Mr. Haddix - Success

"I do have a record of good successes for PTC."

If this is the case Mr. Haddix, you should have plenty of supporters to stand up for you. Who might these supporters be? Can you give us a list of them? Can you get them to write letters of support for you and publish them in these pages?

Waiting for the stampede of support to be published soon,

I remain,

PTCO

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Well PTCO,the city council gave him $12,000

Other than that, the list of campaign contributors will be published after the quarterly reports are filed. More telling than da mayor's brief report will be the names that appear on George and Josh and even Vanessa's reports. Contributing early - over $100, gets your name in the first report and that in itself sends a message and encourages others to contribute and support candidates.

The best fundraising last time we needed to rid ourselves of a troublesome mayor came from the 500+ "Friends of Tom" (meaning Tom Farr) and the very best paid political ad was the one where all, I mean every single one, 100% of the previous mayors of Peachtree City came out for "Anybody but Brown". Ah, the good old days.

And since the problem is actually much more severe this time, I hope some will step up with their dollars and their creativity.

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RWM - Haddix

Since in his mind he has accomplished so much for our fair city, I just want to see the quality of support our good mayor has to turn out for him.

So far they have been drown out by the crickets chirping.

If he has someone to step up for him, it will be interesting to hear their arguments for their support, the quality of these supporters and what grasp they have on reality.

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Good point, O. Calling all pumpkins and the other crickets.

No need to wait another minute. All supporters of the current mayor and his many accomplishments - speak up. We know you must be in this forum because he must be playing to somebody in this audience.

Ok, if that doesn't produce anything, how about hearing from those who voted for him last time? Somebody had to - didn't they?

Ok, maybe you didn't vote for him, you just voted against Cyndi Plunkett or Scott Rowland. Let's hear from you as well.

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I don't know you..

I never said I didn't like you.

I don't like the job you do as Mayor. You seem more interested in alienating people than bringing folks together. I think that is obvious from your actions.

The City deserves better. This fall we will see. That said, please try and keep quiet as to not cost the City any more of our hard earned dollars.

Good day.

Mike King
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George

Yes, another study is simply a stall tactic. Individuals without solutions, particularly those elected to public office, have an innate desire to please everyone to pad their assumed popularity will delay decision after decision in order to not appear unfavorable to those they wish to represent.
You are correct in defending the no light stance, but perhaps you might consider eliminating yet another light on this same thruway. Why not consider during peak commute times that the light at the crossing at The Avenue and Hwy 54 be reduce to a caution instead of a full fledged stop light?
Certainly, this makes more sense than adding yet another light.

GeorgeDienhart
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Mike-

As we move along in this process, we will be looking at other lights as well.

mudcat
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Are you kidding me, Jorge? Vanessa is being devious?

Now way Jose,I say. You are thinking that Vanessa is doing a stall so she can get her traffic light through after you resign (as you must) to run for mayor? What in the world makes you think she would do that? She would still be responsible for her vote for the light when it is obvious most voters don't want the light. You smokin' somethin, dude. Vanessa is the man, er, woman, but I love her little self and support her all the way.

The chica' gonna rise up (to her full 4'11") and kick your butt. Watch out Gyrene, little woman ain't just a book or a song - b**** is the real deal.

So, that out of the way, we going into the pool and party. Got 12 here. Water smells a bit like tuna, but what can you do? Photos on Facebook. @ the regular address.

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