Maxwell: Will fight MARTA ‘’til hell freezes over’

It appears to me that there are those who wish to distort the facts concerning the role that the current Fayette County Board of Commissioners has with current transportation issues. I write this letter to set the record straight and to address some of the misinformation that is being spread as a result of contested political races.

When I took office on Jan. 1, 2007, the Board of Commissioners (BOC) had been collecting a 1 percent sales tax (SPLOST) for about two years. This SPLOST tax was a result of a majority vote of the voters of Fayette County residents who went to the polls and voted to approve the tax for the specific purpose of improving the road system.

Contained in the documentation detailing the plans for the use of the SPLOST funds were the two Fayetteville bypasses and many other traffic improvement projects.

At the time, the money that was being collected was simply earning interest as there were no active road projects that were shovel ready. In other words, the BOC lead by Greg Dunn, Linda Wells and Peter Pfeifer had no action plan.

I personally met with the engineering firm that had been hired to implement the SPLOST tax dollars. That firm is still the county’s consulting firm today. At that meeting, I asked a specific question, “Given that the county would not be able to build both the East Fayetteville Bypass (EFB) and the West Fayetteville Bypass (WFB) as there was not enough money to complete both, which project was most important to Fayette County?”

The various arguments were discussed. The cost of building the East Fayetteville Bypass was going to entail the purchase of an entire golf course and the crossing of a swamp that would require an elevated bridge system over the swamp over a mile long. The EFB would consume the lion’s share of the predicted tax collections and that would mean that many other worthy intersection improvement projects would not be completed.

What concerned me the most was the engineer’s comment that the population that would benefit the most was those people living in Clayton County and Spalding County. I asked him to explain the comment and learned that the EFB had little utility to the residents of Fayette County.

The engineer felt that the WFB had direct utility to all residents of Fayette County as it was centrally located in the county and the road would alleviate the congestion problem of Ga. Highway 85 in downtown Fayetteville.

The decision to proceed with the WFB was made after careful evaluation. Now it seems that there are those, including my opponent, who want to stop the WFB for what my opponent describes as a personal interest reason and who want to build the EFB. The irony of the “not in my back yard” position is not lost in his argument.

The other area of misinformation concerns the current BOC’s interest in bringing MARTA to Fayette County. As I indicated in my reelection announcement last week, there is no desire on the part of the current BOC to bring MARTA or any other type of bus system to Fayette County.

I cannot speak for any other commissioner other than myself. I can, however, unequivocally state that I have not had a conversation with any of the other commissioners in which there was any discussion that would lead a reasonable and rational observer to believe that bringing MARTA to Fayette County was desirable or wanted.

If I have not been clear in the past, please allow me to state, “I will fight against MARTA coming to Fayette County until hell freezes over, and then I will fight it out on the ice.”

If you want someone with a different position, then I suggest that you discuss bringing MARTA to Fayette County with my opponent.

Eric Maxwell

Fayetteville, Ga.

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If Mass Transit is So Wonderful

why did the Clayton County system fail? If mass transit is the be all and end all, WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE IS JACK SMITH BUILDING THE WEST FAYETTEVILLE BYPASS IN ADDITION TO BRINGING IN MASS TRANSIT? He is bringing in mass transit AND he is building a 50 million dollar road, which HE SAYS WILL MOVE TRAFFIC. WHY? He won't or he can't answer that question.

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Mass Transit

Even for great lovers of mass transit, the service in Fayette does not add up. We only have around 92,000 people in around 199 square miles. We are a slow growth county.

No one can justify spending the huge sum (and I mean huge) for the infrastructure and human cost.

Counties much, much larger than Fayette County are on their knees from the funding burden.

sb4faycom.com Go see.

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re: mass transit

Under the current funds distribution model mass transit does not add up; agreed. What is the total transportation cost under the current dispersive transit system? It is pretty huge. Money should be spent in a more progressive way that will contribute to our future.

And from what I read everyone is having a tough time with the current funding burden. I submit new eyes need to look at the drag our current transportation model puts on the overall budget.

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Just some things to think about

The value added by mass transit, specifically light rail

Just for fun, look at the home values in Vienna VA or Columbia MD after the DC METRO opened in those areas. Also look at the number of businesses that opened in those areas since the METRO opened.

Public Transportation Adds Value to Your Home
http://www.houselogic.com/articles/public-transportation-adds-value-home/

Myths vs. Realities: Light Rail & Property Values in Orange County
http://www.lightrailnow.org/myths/m_oct003.htm

THE EFFECT OF RAIL TRANSIT ON PROPERTY VALUES:
A SUMMARY OF STUDIES
(See: SUMMARY of STUDIES: RAIL TRANSIT’S EFFECTS ON PROPERTY VALUES, page 3)
http://www.reconnectingamerica.org/public/show/bestpractice162

How Does Mass Transit Affect Property Values?
http://raincityguide.com/2005/05/26/effect-of-mass-transit-on-property-v...

Mass transit systems aren’t profitable

Some good FAQ’s about mass transit: http://www.transitfacts.com/index.php

“There isn't a single public mass transit system in America in which fares paid by the passengers cover the cost of their own rides.“

“With the exception of toll roads, name a road in America in which fares paid by the passengers cover the cost of their own rides? Over the course of time rail transit is cheaper since roads have to be repaved, widened, and upgraded, not to mention the wear and tear on automobiles and the environmental impact from having to get rid of those outdated vehicles.”

Costs of roads

SR 74 FM JUST SOUTH OF CROSSTOWN RD NW TO SR 54
http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/transpi/Pages/TransPi.aspx?...
Construction Contract Amount: $31,054,285.71
The length of the project is 4.757 miles.
Cost per mile: $6,528,123.96

This project is now active and is going to destroy the intersection of Redwine Road and SR 74 that the Fayette County SPLOST money just paid to have the intersection rebuilt.

SR 74 FROM SR 85 TO CS 597/COOPER CIRCLE
http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/transpi/Pages/TransPi.aspx?...
Construction Contract Amount: $21,202,341.93
The length of the project is 3.30 miles.
Cost per mile: $6,424,952.10

And you thought light rail was expensive.

Crime vs Light Rail

I can’t find any studies that can directly link an increase in crime to the proximity of a light rail station.

Mayor Haddix of PTC will tell you that mass transit brings crime yet he has NO, zero, proof.

There are many published studies, Google them, that clearly state that there are no direct correlations between mass transit systems and crime.

If you have any, please provide the link.

“Peachtree City is located 20 miles southwest of Atlanta, easily accessible to both Interstate 75 and 85.”
http://www.peachtree-city.org/index.aspx?nid=64

Best Places to Live in Peachtree City, Georgia
http://www.bestplaces.net/city/Peachtree_City-Georgia.aspx#

Transportation

Peachtree City, GA / United States
Commute Time 33.1 / 27.4

COMMUTE MODE:
Auto (alone) 82.77% / 71.32%
Carpool 8.53% / 14.52%
Mass Transit 0.79% / 2.00%
Work at Home 4.81% / 5.46%

COMMUTE TIME TO WORK:
Commute Less Than 15 min. 29.65% / 28.89%
Commute 15 to 29 min. 19.49% / 36.08%
Commute 30 to 44 min. 26.54% / 19.35%
Commute 45 to 59 min. 13.27% / 7.57%
Commute greater than 60 min. 11.05% / 8.12%

The average one-way commute in Peachtree City, GA, takes 33 minutes. 83% of commuters drive their own car alone. 9% carpool with others. 1% take mass transit and 5% work from home.

Look at the PTC Issues and Opportunities document from 09/20/2006 and you’ll see that PTC had already anticipated its present and future transportation problems.

Edited: 10:33 PM

Strife over I-85 toll project:
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/strife-over-i-85-5319...

F.Y.I.

Georgia is over extended by some $9 BILLION in approved road construction projects. Who's going to pay for them?

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What is wrong with MARTA in Fayette county?

I rode MARTA for three years and would still be on it but it is too hard to get to. Have you ever used MARTA for a sustained period? It's great.

I have only heard one brave person say why they don't want public transportation in their area. Their reason was "it will allow every criminal in town to come out her for a $2 ticket".

What's with Mr Maxwell's rallying cry about hell freezing over? It's a statement of entrenched thinking.

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Rapid Transit

Are you suburbanites all out of your tiny minds? I for one would love a commuter train taking me every afternoon to my shift at the airport, my company pays for the Breeze tickets, no more wear and tear on my car, less pollution, it just makes sense and don't be so snooty, the North Shore outside of Boston, Mass with very upscale housing is connected by mass-transit with all the business types catching the train each and every morning! Get with the modern day program the age of cheap gas is over and alternative modes of transportation is "in". Yes to mass transit networking and connecting the ATL to all!!!!

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Boston like Chicago

Yes, I like to ride the "T" and it is very convienent but again the set up of Boston is condusive to mass transit. Most of the Atlanta area is not congested enough and allocating right of ways based on population centers would be a nightmare. Chicago, NYC and Boston have all had the main infrastructure in place for over a century. Many of the town centers were developed around mass transit not visa versa

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The MBTA

Yep it really is a great deal that is unless you're a tax payer that lives outside of the service area. Half of the MBTA revenue is state sales tax. BTW, $8 million comes from the federal "Guv".

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More Pedestrians means dangerous Driving, lights and crossings.

Being from Orange County Ca the biggest problem is having to drive with twice the alertness. Pedestrians everywhere darting out in front of you. More lights, more crosswalks, more law suits. Right lines are a like driving in quicksand. The bus drivers are aggressive and pull out in front of you, stop in front of you and have an attitude. Buses are a nightmare and when they were on strike traffic flowed much better. Trust me, you don't want the nightmare of buses, bus stops and PEDESTRIANS with 5 kids and rows of strollers.
www.SPLOSTPOLL.com

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The main thing wrong with MARTA in fayette

is that it is not ecomonically feasible. CTran could not turn a profit in Clayton County and it had many more dedicated and motivated riders than what we have in Fayette. Busing and/or light rail has not proved to be anything more than a nice to have that has to be heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Most people with means are not willing to partake in multiple forms of transportation and a doubling of their commute time for the sake of mass transit.

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economics of MARTA, agree/disagree

Planned mass trans cuts out commute time. Right now MARTA is operating in a configuration that has been outflanked. CTran tried to tack themselves on to a route system already under duress. We need to improve the system to realize any benefit.

It is true that the current spending plans makes it possible for people of means to ignore mass transit. I just think we are taking money in the revenue budget from other community needs and putting it in an unbalanced way into transportation. It's like those with means are getting a subsidy at the expense of other programs.

Long term this idea of building roads out to every subdivision that someone tosses up seems unsustainable.

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Valid Arguments

These make more sense than the 'keep undesirables out'. If a survey is taken, and residents indicate that they would not use MARTA - then economically, MARTA would not be a wise decision. With the cost of gas - the survey may be different than one would imagine. I left California because of 'traffic'. Didn't move north of Atlanta because of the '400'. Even in California - I drove into LA from a suburb. I would probably vote against MARTA - but some of the reasons given here really seem based on emotion and resistance to change rather than economics.

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The long term has been ongoing since the 1670's

Communities have been founded and connected by roads since the beginning of our country's foundings. Why would anyone willingly want to have to take three modes of transportation to get to work?

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not sure we are communicating

When our country was wide open we needed roads and expansion. This will not go on forever. I feel we need to transition to a different approach.

And by the way, the pilgrims used mass transit. ☺

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I am okay with mass transit

As long as it is revenue generating and obligation neutral. It would be a massive capital investment to have meaningful rail service (ie goes to more than downtown) and would still not be likely to be useful to most. Will there be train stops along Fulton Industrial, Peachtree Indistrial, Camp Creek, etc? Asking for people to drive to a train station, only to take a bus after that is not really effective. It would mushroom a 45 to 50 minute one way commute to 90 plus minutes. The only way to make it revenue positive would be to mandate it, and aren't we mandating enough in a supposedly free country?

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MARTA, no... High speed rail, yes

I hate MARTA and don't want that linked to FayCo, but I think the time has come that we build some super high speed maglev trains. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev_(transport) --

Each Metro Atlanta county could have one or two of these maglev stations and let them be non-stop to ATL. Then they can drop you off and you can take the MARTA trains, buses, whatever to get to your final destination.

It would reduce pollution and traffic on the interstate. It would also speed up the commute time since these trains can get up to 350mph.

It also deals with the MARTA problem by separating the two systems. Keep MARTA in Atlanta and let a separate maglev system go to the surrounding counties.

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Maglev
The 5-0 wrote:

I hate MARTA and don't want that linked to FayCo, but I think the time has come that we build some super high speed maglev trains. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev_(transport) --

Each Metro Atlanta county could have one or two of these maglev stations and let them be non-stop to ATL. Then they can drop you off and you can take the MARTA trains, buses, whatever to get to your final destination.

It would reduce pollution and traffic on the interstate. It would also speed up the commute time since these trains can get up to 350mph.

It also deals with the MARTA problem by separating the two systems. Keep MARTA in Atlanta and let a separate maglev system go to the surrounding counties.

Maglev would have tremendously lower operating costs, but the capital cost to build a system would be prohibitive. Unfortunately the metro Atlanta area is spread out in all directions so a Maglev line would require miles of track. The minimum estimate I've read for a Maglev is five million dollars per mile of track. There is a Maglev company in Powder Springs that estimated that Maglev in the Atlanta area would run $20mm per mile. Marta, not surprisingly, says it would cost $200mm (!!) to run track.

I doubt we'll see Maglev in our lifetime.

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Maglev

The only way it would be economically feasible is if the Feds pumped A LOT money into the system. I also highly doubt we'll see any sort of high speed rail down here, it's more suited for densely packed cities like in New England.

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How short sighted of you,

How short sighted of you, it's going to be densely packed in your childrens and grand childrens lifetime if they should choose to live here!

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Do I hear an Amen ?

Elections are like big tent revivals, for a few short weeks every four years you get to go and listen to people tell you how they can really walk on water.
From what I have read and heard so far, is that Mr. Maxwell and Mr. McCarty are BOTH against bringing MARTA into the county. PERIOD…..
Please, if ANYONE has any PROOF otherwise, I think now is the time to put up or shut up!
We can all throw innuendos around all day but please……..lets get the facts straight and right.

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JoHenry is Right

JoHenry, you are absolutely positively right. They can tell us anything and allude to anything. I have learned to listen between the lines, so to speak, and then start looking for documentation. Lee Hearn told me at one of the commission meetings that the West Fayetteville Bypass was his "baby" and that anything I wanted to know about it, I could just ask him. At one point in time, Lee Hearn was the head of our Public Works Department (roads). Our commissioners tell us what they think we want to hear by saying that they are trying to preserve our "rural characteristics," and all the while they are trying to pave over our very "rural" Tillman Rd. with the WFB. These folks are obsessed with pavement. They are obsessed with seeing to it that Fayette County is bulging at the seams with development. They don't seem to understand that after all that development is in place, somebody will have to come up with the big bucks to maintain what has been developed. These guys stick together like peas in a pod. Jack Smith is a Bank of Georgia Director in an organization whose president told the CItizen that the BOG is here to help developers. His also serving as Fayette Commission Chairman reminds me of Ga. Power Co. having it's own man on the Public Service Commission.

Gwinnett's transportation system had to be cut way back because they couldn't maintain the system. Clayton County's transportation just folded. MARTA is running on diesel vapors and they think little old Fayette County should be responsible for helping keep them afloat. On top of all that, I'm not seeing any pots of gold at the end of any rainbows.

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It's zero degrees in hell Commissioner Maxwell

Maybe it's global warming but there's a freeze warning in hell.

If you're going to tell me Eric Maxwell did not know his good friend Jack Smith was voting in favor of mass transit that included our county, you're either not very bright or a liar. Smith ain't working in a vacuum people.

Amazing how much backbone some of these guys get a month before an election!

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Have 2 Wonder If Maxwell Did See The Trans Plan

I really don't know if Maxwell saw the transportation plan or not. However, just as an example of how things have been working in the commission office, our commissioners decided to put another SPLOST before the voters this past year just months before our last SPLOST ran out. One of the items on that SPLOST was the building of a new bridge on Hood Rd. Commissioner Lee Hearn met with a group of citizens to discuss the viability of building that bridge and actually admitted to the citizens that he felt building that bridge was not feasible and therefore a big mistake. And, here is the kicker, Lee Hearn told those citizens that the commission had not even seen the list of projects to be included on the SPLOST until just before they voted to put that SPLOST on a ballot. So there you go, our commissioners asked the voters in this county to approve another SPLOST with a list of projects to be covered by that SPLOST and had not done one bit of research on the projects that would have been funded. If the voters of Fayette County would have approved that SPLOST, we would have been paying for projects that our commissioners had not even given any thought to before they asked us to fund them.

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Did Maxwell ever see the trans plan

Have you ever seen one of those transportaion planning docs. Jack Smith would have been lucky to have seen it, let alone Maxwell. It's like asking if your senator read every bill he voted on. Maxwell probably never heard of the specific provision. Smith of course had the responsibility to know what he was voting to approve.

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Amen

I agree that if any politician tries to bring MARTA into Fayette County, they will most certainly kill any chances they might have of being elected again. And, you are absolutely right when you say that we have to cast our votes and hope for the best. However, before we cast our votes we have to know who and what we are voting for. So, it seems that you and I can agree on some issues and on others we will just have to agree to disagree. And, that's a good thing. That's what makes America.

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Time to worry?

Only being a resident of 32 years, I understand the heartache of long time people watching their town change. You, along with everyone else must know that politics have been around for just about as long as that “other” profession that we dare not talk about. It would be great if we could live in a country where EVERYONE agreed with EVERYTHING, but you know as well as I that it just isn’t going to happen!
We elect people that we think holds our interest and sit back and hope that they do the right thing. Maybe that’s our problem, maybe we have been sitting back to long. Maybe we should ALL get more involved in our community and try (just try) to meet half way with our problems……………..NAW, AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!
So……………What are we going to do? We have to trust the people that we elect and hope for the best. You have to agree with me in saying that ANYONE in this county who OPENLY stated that they were for MARTA coming here would be committing political suicide! With that being said, let’s let the professionals throw their mud and let’s hope that when it’s all over, the right person wins.

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Return to Yesteryear

Highflyer, I can't say that I know Mr. Maxwell personally. However, I can say that I would really LOVE to see Fayette County go back to the days when there was only 1 traffic light, 1 grocery story and 1 fast food restaurant. I would LOVE to go back to the day where there was only 1 high school. Everyone knew their neighbors. And, would you believe, I knew just about everyone who lived in the county? Everyone in the county knew the commissioners. We could walk down the streets of Fayetteville, shake a commissioner's hand and call him by his first name. That commissioner would look you square in the eye and you knew who you were dealing with. Citizens could go to their commissioners with a problem concerning the county and they were listened to and treated as if their problem was a concern to that commissioner. All of that is gone. Some of our present commissioners have belittled the concerns of citizens. In yesteryear, if a person owned 15 acres of land, they didn't have to worry about the county coming along and taking 5 of those acres for a road. We didn't have to read that our commission chairman had voted to bring MARTA buses and rail lines into our county. We didn't have to worry about Fayetteville becoming a transportation hub. People are worried, Highflyer. Citizens have invested their hard earned money into building comfortable, save and secure lives for their families. Isn't it understandable that folks would start to question the wisdom of bringing MARTA, unnecessary roads, and major developments into a small county like ours? Isn't it understandable to question the wisdom of building schools that can't be filled with students. I would LOVE to think that you are right about Mr. Maxwell, but right now, I'm just worried.

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Smoke and mirrors !

Election time always seems to bring out the best in people doesn't it?
"My guy can do this and my guy said that" and "your guy is a liar and a crook"! Let me first say that I do not know the gentleman that is running against Eric Maxwell, but I am sure he is a fine person that has nothing but the good of the Fayette County Citizens in his heart.
I DO know Eric Maxwell (and have for years) and I can honestly say that I have never doubted one word that has came out of his mouth. I work in a field where "double talk" flows freely, yet Mr. Maxwell has never tried to make ANYTHING seem that is something other than what it is. He is the most straight up person that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing and I belive that after all of this mud throwing is over he will still do what he thinks is right for the county.
We elect people to talk for us and take care of OUR interest as a WHOLE. Not one person is going to make everyone happy, but PLEASE people lets all look back from where the county came from not many years back. Do we really want to go there AGAIN?

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Highflyer2 on Maxwell

Maxwell did give Horgan a whipping on the pot bust. But he gets an F on the West Fayetteville Bypass and the SPLOST. There ain't a lot caring for all of us on those 2 stinkers. They're like a slap in the face.

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Is there an implied crooked twist to your letter Eric?

Eric-
you state you are against Marta...you also state "If you want someone with a different position to contact your opponent. What opponent do you speak of??? You surely are not speaking of Allen McCarty!

Allen McCarty has clearly stated he does not want Marta. Your letter "implies" he does. He is your only opponent…isn’t he?

When you type and ask us to allow you to state something…should we expect it to be factual?
Allow ME to be clear AND FACTUAL when I say Allen McCarty has stated he does not want Marta. Did you have another opponent you were talking about or was your letter worded with a crooked implied twist? Surely not....!

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Eric Maxwell

You are running scared...and well you should. Was it you or you cronie that told the lady complaining the bypass would disect her land...'don't let a car hit you when you cross the road with your water bucket'!

That is without a doubt one of the most contemptable things to say to a taxpayer I've heard in a long time.

Also, I've talked to Mr McCarty, he is no more for Marta in here than a man in the moon. That is a total lie!

As for after you loose, move on, don't move to slow n get hit in the back side with a water bucket! There are many very angry people over that statement!

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Maxwell Just Doesn't Get It

Commissioner Maxwell has come out swinging at his opponent, Allen McCarty, for taking what he says is a "personal interest" position against the West Fayetteville Bypass. The Commissioner, on the other hand, states no opposition to the project. In fact, he very strongly implies that he is supporting the bypass based upon "the engineer's" comment that the bypass is centrally located, and will alleviate the congestion problem of Highway 85 in downtown Fayetteville.

Evidently, the Commissioner is not aware of all the controversy that the project has spawned over the past two years. He obviously considers the project to be viable, and worthy of its hefty price tag. McCarty, however, appears to be keeping tuned in to the public. In this same newspaper, Mr. McCarty says he recognizes that the public does not support the West Bypass Project, and he takes a position against it. Commissioner Maxwell would no doubt say that the public supports the Bypass because it voted for it. What he won't go into are the shenanigans the county pulled in getting it hidden behind the ballot where nobody realized what was happening. Does anybody actually remember voting for the West Fayetteville Bypass? It was these same citizens who made it crystal clear they did not want another SPLOST last November by voting it down with 75% opposed. Sooner or later, Mr. Maxwell will have to take a firmer position. My guess is that he will be compelled to announce that he is in favor of it. He did vote in favor of the final West Bypass Alignment last year. Mr. Maxwell voted in concert with the four other Commissioners. They had all been listening with closed minds for over a year to dozens of protesting landowners, including an environmental biologist who had governmental experience with the required permits.

Unlike the current Board of Commissioners, McCarty obviously recognizes the existence of personal or special interests, by pledging to put citizens first, and respect their dignity by listening to them. He seems to be well in tune with the current issues and what's gone wrong with our county's government. It appears that his only personal interest group are the citizens of Fayette County.

Further down in Mr. Maxwell's article, he takes a position against MARTA "till Hell freezes over", yet he states that "if you want someone with a different position, then I suggest that you discuss bringing MARTA to Fayette County with my opponent." Turning back to Mr. McCarty's article, McCarty has already stated in his article that he opposes MARTA in Fayette County. Do you suppose that Mr. Maxwell is confused, or is really saying in so many words that McCarty's being against MARTA is a position different from his own?

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So what is wrong with MARTA? It would save me a lot of time

If MARTA brought their buses into Fayetteville and Peachtree City or even just Tyrone, I wouldn't have to drive as far to pick up my housekeeper. I have to go all the way to Fulton County to get her and back again in the afternoon. She rides MARTA to Fulton County and she's a very nice person. Isn't that a good thing to have MARTA here so nice people like my housekeeper can come directly here? I could probably take an extra tennis lesson with the time I would save driving her.

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Bonkie wanted me to tell you bye. He's been blocked and banned and relegated. Doesn't know why!

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Can your housekeeper support Mass Transit?

Mudcat, can she support the expenditures required to bring her niceness down from atlanta? If the C tran was economically unviable in Clayton county, with much higher need and usage, why would it be successful in fayette? Perhaps your posting was in jest, who knows

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I'm not sure CTran was economically unviable

I go to the Clayton Justice Center every morning where CTran used to depart from. The CTran was full every day. The CTran passengers wanted a fare increase to save the service but Clayton did not go there. Now the new transportation lot that Clayton built just up the road is almost full every day for the MARTA express bus. I think Clayton commissioners are playing a game, they want a better deal out of Marta or the feds.

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