Which side of the alley is mayor on?

Wow, talk about betraying your constituents! Recently Mayor Haddix said to Wilshire homeowners he would fight hard to get a massive bowling alley put in across from Publix on Ga. Highway 74 South at the Senoia turnoff. His statements were AFTER about 30 homeowners had firmly stated the many reasons it was bad for them and the city.

Did you really listen to your constituents, Mr. Mayor? Or did you allow your love of bowling and dollar signs cloud your reason?

The city and Wilshire Estates (with city-wide support) fought against a giant superstore here several years ago. At that time there were zoning restrictions put on the land that protects our neighborhoods from development that destroys the value of homes, directs traffic into residential streets and undermines the original master plan for Peachtree City.

Get this — the zoning specifically restricts bowling alleys due to their huge negative impact on their neighbors.

What did you tell the bowling alley developers about their businesses being prohibited during the 11 months of talks with them? That the city would just plow aside the highly vocal citizens who fought to ban this kind of business?

Wilshire’s concerns reflect the desire of the whole city for businesses to be built for small neighborhoods. This super-size bowling alley (24 or 30 lanes) shows that it is for the surrounding three counties at least. Square feet: 32,000 with 158 parking spaces. A giant bar with booze sales until 2 a.m.?

Sounds to me like Newnan or Marietta, not Peachtree City.

Since Chick-fil-A went in, traffic and trash has doubled at least. My yard backs up to Holly Grove, so I know. The current Holly Grove crossing is critical for Wilshire. Half our neighborhood crosses Holly Grove to go to our local grocery, and the other half crosses the other way to access our pool.

Wilshire knows the land will develop and supports businesses with lower impact. We also know in a recession, cities get desperate for money. Mr. Mayor, I ask you not to let financial desperation and personal desires overpower your commitment to the Peachtree City’s unique village concept. Don’t rush to build something that could become the symbol of you giving up on our town’s plan.

It is an unrivaled, principled and economically sound plan that pairs commercial and residential development for mutual benefit. Our community was not intended to look and work like other suburban cities across the country, with their concentrated commercial big-box development and associated traffic congestion, destruction of residential neighborhoods and reduced property values. Our community was intended to be different, and better.

Mr. Mayor, we stand against efforts to destroy Peachtree City’s unique character — we were counting on you to help us, not oppose us.

I wonder if other citizens of Peachtree City see this as a betrayal like I do? Putting hard-won language in a legally-binding zoning ordinance and then encouraging a developer to bypass it? I feel like a boxer at the end of the bout when the fighters shake hands and leave the ring. Just as they round the corner out of the crowd’s view, one fighter sucker-punches the other from behind.

Amy Nyman

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Correct me if I am wrong

But doesn't it clearly state under section "(1006C.1.2) Uses not permitted"
....Bowling Alleys? I didn't read the whole document but that just kinda jumped out at me.

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Wilshire Estate NIMBYS

While I think a bowling alley in that location is not a good idea and I see the fingerprints of boneheaded and laughable arrogant while yet-so-dumb Don "if they want to deal with me, screw everyone else" Haddix all over this fiasco, the tears from the Wilshire Estates' crowd taste sweet.

If it wasn't due to an unpopular rezoning-especially considering the density issue that upset plenty in PTC-there wouldn't be a Wilshire Estates right now. There were unhappy groups saying "HELL NO" back then and got ignored too,soquit whining like you're the only ones. How the present Wilshire Estates crowd gets befuddled over why the PTC Council would consider "infringing" on them and doing a rezoning is highly ironic since they wouldn't be living in Wilshire Estates and it would have never been built if the powers-that-be had the same attitude as you NIMBY's.

Go ahead and screech against the bowling alley concept because you happen to be right, but please don't start any BS about how sacred some Land Use Plan is and be totally ignorant of the history of where you live to the point of retardation. Really, Wilshire has surpassed Planterra Ridge on the level of complete hypocrisy, and Planterra has the dreaded train tracks(think trains might use those?) issue that the Wilshirians don't.

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Planterra. What a hoot! Thanks for the flashback, NUK

Hubby went to an early Planterra HOA meeting. Topic was the airport and industrial park. They had several people actually state (or agree with the speaker's comment) that they had no idea that the airport or the industrial park was there when they bought their house. Some of the same people later in the meeting recalled the chemical spill at Photocircuts (which is in the industrial park - Duh!) and worried about that happening again. Unbelievable.

And of course that led to the blame game where they discussed whose fault it was that they were not told about the airport and industrial park. I think the consensus was to blame their real estate agents. Don't think that went anywhere, but my neighbor who use to be an agent said her company went all ballistic about it and started requiring all kinds of deal-killing disclaimers in their contracts.

I don't know how you can get to Planterra without driving past the industrial park, but don't you think that before you buy a house you would look around a little? Of course these are the same dopes that looked to one of their new residents for leadership and he actually launched his political "career" from that HOA. Figures.

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It is Brown's fault! Of course.

When developers and realtors make a living selling houses why would they tell any one about such mundane things as chemical factories and trains that roar through all of the time--especially at 1:00 AM with whistles blowing hard.

These people fall into the same category as used car salesmen, gold buyers, bankers, Wall Street traders, jewelers, furniture store owners, (constantly on sale stuff), and roofers!

Pretty parlours come in second. Then cheap tippers by high wage earners on the basis of poor service! (not enough groveling, bowing and scraping).

Then preachers.

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Tracks

Come on, you saying there are train tracks through town????

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Well there are some very good roofers

You may be thinking of the Irish Travelers who con people into all kinds of repairs including roofing and then leave town with the upfront payment and the job unfinished.

There really aren't any developers left and the realtors only sell foreclosures now.
Glad to see bankers on your list. Among the worst. Especially nowadays.

One addition - fortunetellers.

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Plamterra has calmed down a lot

Despite Brown still being there, a few of the more vocal whiners moved to other neighborhoods or out of state and the HOA there is actually pretty reasonable now and a whole lot less activist or annoying.

While the train track griping was amusing, don't forget about how Planterra crashed Fayette's 911 system when the first airshow came to town after the neighborhood was built and the bomber that broke the sound barrier caused massive hysteria and Planterra all decided to call 911 repeatedly.

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Oh, I know it was in the past

Planterra is fine now. I even recommended it to a relative who is moving here - they are getting a foreclosure with a finished basement in the $200's.

Yea, the whiners were funny people. I had not heard about the air show fiasco. You have to be pretty self-involved not to know about that. Must be a great place to watch the air show from a backyard.

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Interesting Point

is that the demographics do not support and sustain a 20 lane bowling alley based on industry standards.

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What are the restrictions?

Doesn't the general commercial zoning allow for bowling alleys? What specific restrictions were put on that particular parcel?

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Appendix A - Rezoned to General Commercial - Stephens Tract

The general commercial zoning does allow for a bowling alley...this tract was rezoned to General Commercial with many agreed upon restrictions. I have copied and pasted all permitted and prohibited uses for that particular tract of land right out of the Municode.

Sec. 1006C. - Property rezoned to GC.

(1006C.1) Stephens tract commercial.

(a)
The property described below shall be rezoned from its present classification of GI general industrial to GC general commercial, subject to the conditions set forth herein. In the event of a conflict between the provisions of this ordinance and the regulations of the GC zoning district, the most restrictive regulation shall apply. Said property is more particularly described as follows:

All that tract or parcel of land lying and being in land lots 29 and 30 in City of Peachtree, Fayette County, being more particularly described as follows:

To find the TRUE POINT OF BEGINNING, commence at a point at the intersection of the on the southerly right of way of State Route No. 74 (100' R/W varies) and the northerly right of way of Rockaway Road (R/W varies); Thence run along Rockaway Road South 01 degrees 15 minutes 08 seconds West a distance of 68.91 feet to a point; Thence continue along said right of way South 35 degrees 51 minutes 08 seconds West a distance of 841.25 feet to a 1" pipe found, the TRUE POINT OF BEGINNING; Thence run along said right of way along an arc of a curve to the left with a distance of 49.04 feet to a point (said arc being subtended by a chord South 36 degrees 14 minutes 30 seconds West a distance of 49.04 feet); Thence leaving said right of way and run South 85 degrees 30 minutes 07 seconds West a distance of 720.20 feet to a point; Thence run North 04 degrees 29 minutes 53 seconds West a distance of 285.72 feet to a point; Thence run South 85 degrees 30 minutes 07 seconds West a distance of 798.29 feet to a point; Thence run North 00 degrees 36 minutes 14 seconds East a distance of 385.52 feet to a ½" rebar found on the southerly State Route No. 74 (R/W varies); Thence run along said right of way North 76 degrees 32 minutes 17 seconds East a distance of 271.39 feet to a point; Thence continue along said right of way along an arc of a curve to the right with a distance if 361.69 feet to a point (said arc being subtended by a chord North 80 degrees 32 minutes 40 seconds East a distance of 361.34 feet); Thence continue along said right of way North 85 degrees 21 minutes 28 seconds East a distance of 951.45 feet to a 5/8" rebar found; Thence leave said right of way and run South 00 degrees 36 minutes 28 seconds West a distance of 711.27 feet to a 1" pipe found, the POINT OF BEGINNING.

Said Tract contains 21.120 acres more or less.

(b)
The above-described tract is illustrated in the Boundary and Topography Survey prepared by W.D. Gray and Associates, Inc. (last revised December 8, 2006), a copy of which is attached hereto as exhibit "A" and incorporated herein by express reference.

(1006C.1.1) Permitted uses.

(a)
Retail business involving the sale of merchandise on the premises, provided no single tenant, owner, occupant, or business occupies more than 10,000 square feet.

(b)
Business involving the rendering of a personal service on the premises.

(c)
Office for governmental, business, professional or general purposes.

(d)
No more than one freestanding restaurant with a drive-thru window for pick-up of food or drink orders; provided that this restriction shall not prohibit a freestanding restaurant from maintaining designated parking areas for patrons to pick up food orders to go. This provision shall also not preclude individual tenants from maintaining drive-thru windows for pick-up of food or drink orders, so long as such tenants are in a building with at least two other individual tenants. In addition to one freestanding restaurant as described herein, this restriction shall not preclude a freestanding coffee shop with a drive-thru window from being located within the overall development. As used herein, the term "coffee shop" shall mean a small restaurant in which coffee and light snacks and other drinks are served.

(e)
No more than one business whose primary business is the sale of alcohol; provided that this restriction shall not prohibit individual restaurants from selling beer, wine, distilled spirits or other beverages. Such business whose primary business is the sale of alcohol shall not be located within a freestanding building or tenant space exceeding 3,000 SF in gross floor area.

(f)
Automobile parts sales; provided that the repair of vehicles on the premises of any business by the property owner, the tenant or customers shall be prohibited.

(g)
Indoor commercial recreation facility.

(h)
Publicly owned building, facility or land.

(i)
Building, facility or land for a non-commercial park, recreation, thoroughfare or open space purposes.

(j)
Accessory use, in accordance with section 908

(1006C.1.2) Uses not permitted.

(a)
Hotel or motel.

(b)
Cocktail lounge, disco or dance hall.

(c)
Automobile repair facilities, including oil change facilities and emissions testing centers.

(d)
Automobile washing facilities.

(e)
Automobile sales and leasing (new and used vehicles).

(f)
Boat sales and leasing (new and used).

(g)
Establishments whose primary business is the sale of gasoline or diesel.

(h)
Animal hospitals or veterinary clinics with outdoor kennel facilities.

(i)
Adult novelty stores, book stores, entertainment centers, theatres, and amusement facilities, peep shows and massage parlors, provided that this restriction shall not prohibit a day spa from locating within the development.

(j)
Bingo parlor, bowling alley, pool hall, billiards parlor, skating rink and roller rink.

(k)
Electronic gaming centers where the primary business is from game playing.

(l)
Pawn shops, second hand stores, closeout or liquidation stores, flea markets, bankruptcy or fire sales, provided that this restriction shall not prohibit a consignment store from selling new and/ or unused merchandise.

(m)
Blood bank and plasma centers.

(n)
Tattoo parlors.

(o)
Check-cashing facilities.

(p)
Facilities for dumping, disposal, incineration or reduction of garbage or refuse.

(q)
A site for day laborers to congregate or to solicit work.

(r)
Transportation facility or terminal.

(s)
Self-service storage facilities, i.e., mini-warehouses.

(t)
Off-street auto parking facility.

(u)
Open yard for the sale, rental, and/ or storage of materials or equipment, including junk or salvage materials.

(1006C.1.3) Conditional uses. The following uses shall be permitted on a conditional basis:

(a)
Retail business involving the sale of merchandise on an individual zoning lot where an individual tenant, owner, occupant, or business occupies more than 10,000 square feet subject to the following conditions:

(1)
In addition to the conditions set forth in this subsection, the maximum aggregate size of any commercial development shall be 150,000 square feet of floor area.

(2)
No single commercial tenant, owner, occupant, or business shall occupy more than 32,000 square feet of floor area.

(3)
No three commercial tenants, owners, occupants, or businesses shall occupy a combined floor area of more than 80,000 square feet.

(4)
No more than six commercial tenants, owners, occupants, or businesses shall occupy more than 10,000 square feet of floor area each.

(5)
All exterior building elevations that face public streets and/or customer parking areas shall be designed so that there are no large expanses of blank walls. This requirement can be met by employing the use of architectural features including but not limited to the following: doors, windows, pilasters, columns, horizontal and vertical offsets, material and color variations, decorative cornices, awnings, canopies, murals, and graphics. In order to assure conformance with this requirement, exterior building elevations must be reviewed and approved as a part of the overall final site plan review process.

(6)
Any tenant, occupant, or business that occupies more than 10,000 square feet shall provide the city attorney with a copy of the rental agreement between such tenant, owner, occupant, or business and its landlord which contains a contract provision prohibiting such person or entity from voluntarily vacating such premises or otherwise ceasing to conduct its retail business on such premises while simultaneously preventing the landlord, by continuing to pay rent or otherwise, from leasing the premises to another person or company who will operate a permitted business on the premises. If such a tenant, occupant or business voluntarily vacates such premises or otherwise ceases to conduct its retail business on the premises, the landlord shall be free to market and lease such premises to another person or company.

(7)
The owner of the zoning lot shall prepare a traffic management plan which identifies the traffic problems that will be generated by development on the premises and which presents reasonable solutions to those problems. The plan must be prepared by a qualified professional traffic planner at no cost to the city, and it must be approved by the city engineer prior to the approval of the preliminary site plan or the issuance of a land disturbance permit or building permit, which ever occurs first.

(8)
The owner of the zoning lot shall prepare a water management plan which identifies the water management problems that will be generated by development on the premises and which presents reasonable solutions to those problems. The plan must be prepared by a qualified professional engineer at no cost to the city, and it must be approved by the city engineer prior to the approval of the preliminary site plan or the issuance of a land disturbance permit or building permit, which ever occurs first.

(b)
Private school, nursery or day care facility on the following conditions:

(1)
The zoning lot is not less than 40,000 square feet in area.

(2)
Plans for the facilities must receive the written approval of the state regulatory agencies and the fire department prior to any construction or occupancy.

(c)
Church or other legitimate place of worship, including a one-family dwelling for a minister, on the following conditions:

(1)
Notwithstanding any other requirements in this section, the following conditions shall apply to all churches regardless of zoning district:

(2)
Minimum zoning lot area is three acres.

(3)
Minimum lot width is 100 feet.

(4)
Minimum setback area, front:

Building: 40 feet.

Parking: 20 feet.

(5)
Minimum setback area, side: 15 feet. If adjoining a residential lot, the building setback shall be 75 feet.

(6)
Minimum setback area, rear: 30 feet. If adjoining a residential zoning lot, the building setback shall be 75 feet.

(7)
Maximum building height: As appproved by the fire department.

(8)
All zoning lots shall have direct access onto an arterial, major collector road or have access to an arterial, major collector or industrial/commercial road via a minor collector.

(9)
No parking shall be permitted within 20 feet of the property line of any adjoining residential zoning lot.

(10)
Parking and/or service areas shall be separated from adjoining residential lots by a suitable fence or wall six feet in height or a suitable planting screen six feet in height at time of planting. The required fence, wall, or screen must provide for a reasonable visual separation between properties. No fence or wall in excess of four feet may be placed in a setback area adjoining a public street.

(11)
Parking. See section 909

(12)
Any existing church in any zoning district may comply with either the requirement existing prior to enactment of this ordinance or they may comply with the conditions of this section. They shall not be permitted to comply with various sections of both requirements.

(1006C.1.4) Other requirements.

(a)
Landscape requirements. Landscaped buffers shall be provided between the development on this site and SR 74/Rockaway Road, and between the development on this site and the adjoining Stephens tract. Within these buffers, a combination of berms and landscaping shall be installed to provide a permanent vegetative buffer. The berms must be a minimum of four feet in height with 4:1 slopes. All landscaped areas shall include an underground irrigation system with a programmable timer.

The landscape buffer adjacent to SR 74 shall be no less than 40 feet in width, as measured from the right-of-way.

The landscape buffer adjacent to Rockaway Road shall be no less than 30 feet in width, as measured from the right-of-way.

The landscape buffer adjacent to the Stephens tract shall be no less than 25 feet in width, as measured from the property line.

(b)
Reserved.

(c)
Reserved.

(d)
Curb cuts. Pursuant to GDOT review and approval, the overall development shall be limited to no more than three curb cuts from SR 74. If Rockaway Road is not realigned so that it borders or bisects the property, the three curb cuts shall be located along SR 74 subject to GDOT review and approval. If Rockaway Road is realigned so that it borders or bisects the property, no more than two additional curb cuts shall be located along SR 74 subject to GDOT review and approval.

No more than one full-turning curb cut shall be located on Rockaway Road subject to the requirements of city ordinances and subject to GDOT review and approval if required.

(e)
Interparcel access. Interparcel access shall be provided between each parcel and to the remainder of the Stephens tract.

(f)
Architectural concept. In addition to compliance with the city's design guidelines ordinance, the architectural design, color selection and exterior materials for all buildings shall comply with the architectural guidelines established for the Wilshire Pavilion development. All sides of each building must include architectural detailing and similar building materials.

(h)
Signage program. Signage shall be provided as set forth within the city's sign ordinance and in accordance with the approved signage program established for Wilshire Pavilion.

(Ord. No. 907, 9-6-2007)

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Bowling Alley

Well then, we will just change the zoning! There is need of the money.

Anyway that thing is 3 miles from me and the Wilshire people can fend for themselves!
They may get a police sub-station out of this.

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Thanks!

Well there's a slim chance of much fun to be had on the property, no doubt that's the intention.

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Ask the folks in your neighborhood IF they voted..

The Mayor is clueless in many areas. Did they vote for him? I'm amazed people fell for this bag of tricks.

That said, I don't live in Wilshire and I'm dead set against a bowling alley being built there. I don't see it as being a good fit for that area.

Looks like my defense of Logsdon wasn't so half brained after all. I think all of Brown's aliases called me out on it. :)

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Ms Nyman

Unfortunately, our mayor's greatest flaw is his inability or refusal to listen. He'll quickly begin lecturing anyone or any group on the merits of his side of any issue without having the knowledge or experience to do so.

He cares not that the area's ordinance restricts bowling alleys because he was likely on a 3-2 vote against it.

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And it looks like another 3-2 vote coming soon

Can't imagine the 3 ladies on council ignoring this very reasonable position articulated by Ms. Nyman and the Wilshire homeowners. Haddix (and Doug) will go down 3-2 on this one. Bowling alley probably needs to be up on 54 so Cowetians and Claytonites have easy access.

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So, Why Do The Mayor And Dougy

want the bowling alley? Are they in a bowling league or something?

Just curious given the clear prohibition of a bowling alley on the property.

Go Braves!

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Mayor Haddix commented he was

Mayor Haddix commented he was a semi-pro bowler for 8 years at the Wilshire HOA meeting.

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He bowled 8 years at the Wilshire HOA meeting?

Does semi-pro mean you also have a day job?

What happened to PTCs semi-pro basketball team?

I thought they were goin to play in Dar's ize rank! Maybe the new second floor one?

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What a dip. What a Charlie Sheen.

See, Charlie Sheen wears a bowling shirt. The mayor is a dip. don't care which bowling shirt he wears unless he has a kangaroo on the front and "bring back Joey" thing on the back. See a kangaroo is called a joey in Australia. Ok, hope you got all that.

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Ah, That Explains It

Now, I see why he would try to circumvent the usage restrictions. He's going back into semi-pro bowling! Or could it be something else, as discussed by Steven Tyler:

'Back then it was nothing like today. So you'd go to the bowling alley. We bowled and you could be in the back and you could make out, you know? And you know how hot it was to make out.'

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/bowled.html#ixzz1LyyBx9ZP

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Now that's funny right there..

I don't care who you are.

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Steven Tyler on American Idol

a few weeks ago to Randy "You know Randy, I have fond memories of bowling alleys. I got my first kiss in a bowling alley....And no, Randy, I did NOT strike out that night..." Very funny at the time.

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It Gets Interestinger and Interestinger!

Since the Ninja does not watch TV except for the Super Bowl and select other sporting events, I miss the chatter on AI, but it is very interesting how this bowling alley thing is developing, pun intended as always! Our own Dapper Don might have some un-fulfilled teenage desires going on that only a bowling alley can cure!

Go Braves!

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If 90 miles of paths are hooked into this alley

I don't think any bowler would strike out very much. Maybe a few gutter balls now and then, but overall a very pleasant experience.

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Riverdale and Newnan have bowling alley's..

That's more than enough access for me. :)