3 ex-mayors questioned in Post 3 commission race

Fayette County Commission Post 3 candidates (L-R) Don Haddix, Steve Brown and Harold Logsdon. Photo/John Munford.

Three former Peachtree City mayors who are seeking election to the post 3 seat of the Fayette County Commission, which has the largest swath of city voters, were grilled Monday night at a forum hosted by the Fayette County Republican Party at City Hall.

Challengers Don Haddix and Harold Logsdon flanked incumbent Steve Brown at the dais, and though there were a handful of residents from all over the county in attendance, only voters who live in District 3 will be allowed to vote in the race due to the court-ordered application of district voting this year.

The topic of district voting, the result of a lawsuit filed by the NAACP, was a significant one addressed by the candidates.

Brown said the district voting map adopted by the court is a gerrymander based solely on the voters’ race, and he contended that “all case law says you can’t do that based on race.”

Pointing out that the lawsuit sought district voting as a relief for black voters, Brown noted that it has now morphed into another intent.

“Now all of a sudden it’s not about what we think: electing Democrats is what it’s really about,” Brown said. “There is no constitutional protection for the election of Democrats in any jurisdiction in the United States. ... We’ve got a rift now in our county and I hope we can heal that, I really do, because there’s a lot at stake.”

Haddix said he does not support preferential treatment in voting, and he feels it is not constructive based on other places he has lived which have adopted it.

Haddix said he felt the county needed to be united as one district, not divided into five different districts.

Logsdon said based on what he has been told, the county’s attorneys feel confident they will win on appeal. Logsdon said he felt the map was an unlawful gerrymander. Logsdon added that it will not cost much more to appeal the lawsuit than has already been spent on the case.

Haddix and Logsdon noted that Brown has the advantage on this particular issue because he is privy to the advice of the county’s attorneys, which is kept secret by attorney-client privilege.

Candidates also were asked if they would favor bringing sewer service into the unincorporated county if there was a way for the county to keep its current land use plan intact.

Logsdon said he prefers to use sewer because of the water that is reclaimed in the process, but he said the key would be maintaining the land use plan to avoid a potential overdevelopment by maintaining a low density and keeping the county’s small-town image.

Haddix and Brown said they would not support bringing sewer into the county. Haddix said the land use plan could easily be changed by future elected officials and cut down on greenspace. Haddix noted that he supported Fayetteville’s Pinewood Atlanta Studios project, but he felt the city’s annexation was too big.

Brown said he would consider extending sewer into the county only for government buildings, citing the failing septic tank at Tyrone Elementary as an example where it would be helpful. Otherwise, extending sewer into the county would be used to justify an increase in density, Brown added.

The candidates were asked if they felt regional governance was the best way to address regional concerns such as transportation and air quality.

Brown touted his participation in fighting against the 2012 regional transportation sales tax, adding that he would be okay with regional governance as long as home rule is protected.

“As long as we are not forcing the region to pay for other people’s projects, I’m OK with the Atlanta Regional Commission,” Brown said.

Logsdon said ARC is helpful in distributing money from the federal government for certain programs, but he feels ARC has no authority over county decisions.

“We have got to maintain local authority, and you cannot have that with regional governance and make it work,” Logsdon said.

Haddix said ARC is pushing the region to urbanizing including plans for bus and rail service here with control centered in agencies like ARC.

“That, folks, is regional government and I have no use for that and am totally opposed to that,” Haddix said.

The candidates also weighed in on how best to handle property tax abatement issues for large businesses moving to the county. The abatement process is not controlled by the county commission but by the Fayette County Development Authority, a separate agency for which the county appoints five of its eight current members.

Brown in particular has been critical of what he touted as a failure of FCDA’s leadership in communicating the tax abatement offered to Pinewood Atlanta Studios.

Haddix said the authority followed state law but it should have consulted with the county government because of the potential loss of tax dollars. Haddix said the county needs a strong development authority and he wants to make it even stronger.

Brown said the commission should have been involved in the process because “we’re talking about hundreds of millions of tax dollars.

“We demanded accountability, and we stood for accountability,” Brown said.

Logsdon said the commission should have been privy to the Pinewood tax breaks, but there was plenty of opportunity for county officials to ask questions, given that Pinewood was announced last February and the abatements were voted on near the end of the year.

“If I am your commissioner, I won’t wait for them to come tell me about what’s going on,” Logsdon said. “I will be keeping in touch so I will find out and we won’t get blindsided.”

Logsdon added that if the authority failed to inform him of a tax abatement, he would advise them not to do it again, “but I don’t think you need to implode an organization just because of miscommunication.”

On other issues addressed during the candidates’ opening statements:

• Brown touted the commission’s success in rehabilitating the county water system, while Haddix claimed there were long-known problems with brown water coming out of residents’ faucets.

• Logsdon said the county needs to focus on educational opportunities brought in large part by the location of Pinewood Atlanta Studios, including the possibility of bringing a technical college campus here.

• Haddix criticized the current commission for spending $1.4 million to acquire land for the East Fayetteville Bypass even though the project is currently unfunded. He drew a comparison to an $850,000 land purchase Brown’s city council made a number of years ago to build a cart path bridge over Ga. Highway 54 West that has never been built due to lack of funding.

• Brown said the county’s economic momentum will continue and progress is being made on the interchange project to improve traffic flow at Interstate 85 and Ga. Highway 74, which is in Fairburn but used by many city commuters going to and from Atlanta.

• Logsdon said the county needs to continue to address the needs of the growing senior population, but it also needs to attract young professionals to live here by creating “live, work, play” communities.

• Haddix criticized Logsdon for “bailing out” the city’s tennis center during Logsdon’s term as mayor. Brown would later jump in and argue that he didn’t blame Logsdon because “somebody had to do it.”

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Thanks for proving a point...

I think we're done here. I appreciate the continued name calling. To review, I've been called a bully, preschooler, troll, elitist and snob, cross dressing, efeminate "too serious" crybaby, because I have the audacity to present an opinion different from that of the tea party express.

Stay classy, Fayette County.

And I'M the bully? Good night, johenry. No more feeding this bear. (I wish I would have just stopped, now I am).

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I stand corrected!

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/boc/archives/2013/minutes/...

Page 9, sure enough removed from the list!

Again, not that big of a loss, as you can still get there using pretty much the same route. So, low hanging fruit.

OK, please throw another half-truth out there.

And nice dig on the Citizen; I'm sure Cal appreciates the support!

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Spy, Nuk, mrobinson, What about the ARC?

You are right in saying that some of us here don't have a vote in the 3rd district.

However, the last time I looked, the 3rd district representative on the commission will make decisions that affect the entire population of Fayette County.

This whole district voting thing is an extremely weird concept, to me. It reminds me somewhat of the Atlanta Regional Commission, and I have a big problem with that, too.

There are a lot of people sitting on the ARC who make decisions that affect my life, yet I didn't have a voice in selecting them as my representative.

I have one voice representing my interests on the ARC. So, I want to make sure that that person shares as many of my views as possible.

During the Regional T-SPLOST issue, Steve Brown proved to me that he cares about Fayette County getting a fair shake with the big boys in Atlanta.

Had it not been for Steve Brown, most Fayette voters would have never suspected that one of our former commissioners had voted with the ARC to bring mass transit into Fayette County.

As you can see, some of us don't have a vote but all Fayette voters have a stake in who is elected.

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Robert W. Morgan

You are just plain mean. It has always appeared that you get great enjoyment out of being mean.

Poor Ginga1414 actually thinks you might care about the issues. I know she is aware that four of five negative bloggers, including you, are more interested in insulting people than wanting appropriate government action on various issues, but she keeps trying. God bless Ginga1414!

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morgan you're a nasty complainer

I can't remember the last time you said a productive thing.

You are all about tearing people down. And I think Steve Brown is right and you do get enjoyment out of it.

My granddaughter sent me this on internet trolls. You fit the description morgan.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/in...

Last year, for instance, we learned that by hurling insults and inciting discord in online comment sections, so-called Internet trolls (who are frequently anonymous) have a polarizing effect on audiences, leading to politicization, rather than deeper understanding of scientific topics.

That’s bad, but it’s nothing compared with what a new psychology paper has to say about the personalities of trolls themselves. The research, conducted by Erin Buckels of the University of Manitoba and two colleagues, sought to directly investigate whether people who engage in trolling are characterized by personality traits that fall in the so-called Dark Tetrad: Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and self-obsession), psychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and sadism (pleasure in the suffering of others).

It is hard to overplay the results: The study found correlations, sometimes quite significant, between these traits and trolling behavior. What’s more, it also found a relationship between all Dark Tetrad traits (except for narcissism) and the overall time that an individual spent, per day, commenting on the Internet.

You are scary morgan. You are destructive and the enjoyment you get out of it is disturbing.

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RWM, I understand

that you hate Steve Brown. You've made that very clear. However, he still continues to work on badly needed improvements with the Hwy. 74/I-85 interchange. Those improvements will benefit Peachtree City commuters greatly.

All the while you were belittling Steve Brown over the last couple of years, he traveled with Bob Ross and alone throughout the region providing insight into what was actually going on with the Regional T-SPLOST.

I'm well aware that you think I am clueless. So, it really won't make any difference in how you feel about me because your opinion couldn't possibly get any worse. I believe in Steve Brown.

I've known quite a few public officials and I can truthfully say that I have never seen or heard of a public official put himself and his political career on the line for the citizens the way Steve Brown has.

When he and Allen McCarty first ran for seats on the commission, one of their major concerns was how citizens were treated at commission meetings. Two former commissions were constantly trying to deny citizens the right to speak at the commission meetings. After Steve and Allen were elected, they stood up for citizens' rights every time the previous commissioners tried to slap us down.

When the three newest members of the current board of commissioners were elected, they voiced the same commitment to the citizens. And, all five members of our current BOC have followed through with those commitments.

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Thank you Steve. Once again - respond below the respondee

When you respond above the respondee, you seem arrogant and leave the impression that you think you are more important than everyone else. Or maybe you are. And yes indeed, God bless ginga, she knows not what she does or says, but God bless her little heart and your even smaller one too.

And seriously, thank you, thank you, thank you for not showing up at the Floy Farr and Joel Cowen ceremony today. As the only living former mayor that did not show up you have demonstrated how well (or how poorly) you will represent a part of PTC at the Fayette County Commission. It was a great event without you and we spent a lot of time with Harold Logsdon talking about the future. We also spent a lot of time with Joel Cowen, Fred (the real mayor) Brown and Hollis Harris talking about how much damage you did to the city when you accidentally got elected mayor. Please go away when you lose, please, go away soon.

Yes, I am just plain mean. You may ask why and I will tell you that the ghosts of Floy and Tom Farr, Pat Shepard, Jane Miller, Ralph Jones, Paul Heard and Michael Rossetti all talk to me. And so do the still living ghosts of Williams, Basinger, Faulkner, Godfrey, Christian, Amos, Warner, Gibbs, Pace, McMennimen, Tennant, Maxwell, Smith, Frady and my favorite golfing buddy that you tried to put out of business - John Fong - Rona's Rose husband. If I'm mean, I have a reason.

You can dismiss all those names by calling them old school or old guard and that's fine, but understand that you are about to become old news.

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morgan is an internet troll

Anyone who pays any attention to him has a screw loose.

Not even Mrs. Learnard can hold a candle to morgan's histrionics!!! Just love that word.

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Histrionics is indeed a great word. Accurate and useful.

If you want to understand his histrionics instead of just mocking them, go talk to just one living person he mentions in his screed above. It will be eyeopening for you - especially since you are blind to Brown's other side.

And ginga, same advice and I would add the DOT area supervisor who has lived in PTC for years - can't remember his name, but others may recall it - he spoke twice at DirectPAC meetings and left little doubt as to how Mr. Brown is viewed within DOT. Why you care about the 74/I-85 interchange is a mystery, but Brown is not your solution, nor is Mr. Haddix and his Poplar Road interchange pipe dream. I don't even know if Logsdon has a position on that interchange and not sure I care as it is not in Fayette County anyway.

If you think that interchange affects quality of life and housing values in Fayette County, sure, slightly. Much larger issue is the intersection of 74 and 54 which is actually in the county and something I want our new commissioner to work on. Maybe by reading and paying attention to the traffic study being conducted now by actual traffic engineers and disregarding the opinions of the armchair traffic experts who post their histrionic opinions on here.

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To be fair...

....there were two mayors missing.

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Annyywaayy, RWM

Thanks so much for the blessings. God bless your itty biddy heart, too!

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Steve Brown is excellent in that job, ginga. Hope he stays

The job our liberal-leaning, journalist major excels at is the one you credit him for - calling out the former commissioners on their real or alleged support of rapid transit on ARC votes. He did blow that whistle and stirred up a lot of discussion and that is great. Thing is, he did all that not as an elected commissioner but as a twice-defeated candidate out of office and serving as an unpaid and uncredentialed whitle-blower and gadfly. This is the job for which he is most qualified and one at which he excels. After his third defeat, just think how much more he can contribute to the dialog and even these blogs.

As an elected official however his lack of business experience (or even the experience of holding a job) shows and somehow fuels his feelings of self-importance and vindictiveness when someone disagrees with him. This is not someone I want to represent part of Peachtree City.

Si, I'm with you ginga, let us rejoice that he is interested enough in how other politicians conduct their business and that he has the time and resources to report all this (unpaid and without portfolio) to the citizens of Fayette County. What a guy! He's a giver!

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Just a little correction

Commissioner Brown has a job...County Commissioner. I would say it is a full time job with him being Chairman. Just because it is an elected position doesn't make it any less of a job. I think you could agree with me on this point.

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RWM, Have to differ with you

Steve Brown was a sitting commissioner during the Regional T-SPLOST. Here is just one of many links that will verify that. http://www.henryherald.com/news/2012/may/15/t-splost-opposition-raises-i...

Also, I have to differ with you about his business experience. If I am remembering correctly, he was manager of a large dental or medical office. He was a journalist with The Citizen before running for the commission. If I'm not mistaken, he has also worked as a lecturer. I will try to find links for both of those statements, also.

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You must be kidding

You can differ all you want, but Journalist? Not hardly. Manager of whose office? Got a Dr. name? Might surprise you. Lecturer is probably right, but a nit-picking amateur, not a professional in demand.

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mrobinson, I am very curious

as to why you think Steve Brown or any other candidate for that matter should refrain from blogging and sending in letters to the editor.

Personally speaking, I admire the fact that Mr. Brown cares enough to respond to his accusers. To my way of thinking, it takes great strength of character for someone to face their accusers, especially in a public forum.

I truly wish Mr. Logsdon would respond to comments here instead of leaving the dirty work to his supporters.

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Candidate, Commissioner, Private Citizen

As a candidate, post all the letters to the editor and blogs you want, under the proper rules as set forward by the editor.

As a commissioner, focus on facts and and positive, professional communication. I don't believe it's wise to post in that manner. If you want to keep your constituents updated, I bet the paper will give you a column, or you could use the resources of the County to send out email blasts, water bill inserts or other ways to communicate.

As a private citizen, do what you want.

I truly wish you and pips all the best in your retirement years on the farm.

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Not sure why you continually post query's in the wrong area..

That said, I do not think it is professional at all for candidates or elected officials to come on these blogs and have discussions/disagreements/arguments with us.

Letter's to the editor are fine, but all the rest if just so much of "who shot Luke" between us all.

Look at the good it has done Haddix and Brown for that matter. They have lost more than a few elections between them.

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Spyglass, don't you remember 2010?

In the last BOC race Steve Brown was in, he had the same pack of wolves nipping at his heels. Some of the same "I hate Steve Brown" bloggers had attacked him then as they are now, but Brown posted his own blogs and stayed on the issues. At election time, he steamrolled through PTC, winning most of the precincts in his victory over another prominent PTC citizen, who was the incumbent BOC Chairman. If my memory serves me correctly, the blog "the thing about Steve Brown is he's usually right" topped the Bloggers' Billboard at #1 longer than any other Citizen post before or since.

By what he's doing, Brown, through his intellect and superior ability to communicate, is showing amazing strength of character and the ability to show the readers the complete issues. When he paints vivid pictures of what's really going on, he wins votes.

I think the reason the other candidates are so obviously staying behind the scenes is that they don't have the confidence to jump onto the blog fray because they believe it would cost them votes. I don't know anyone who could get the best of Steve Brown in a debate. I attended two, and in my opinion he trounced some big guns on T-SPLOST issues.

If the "wolves" would attend the BOC meetings with Brown at the helm (or at least watch them on TV), they would see much improvement in the proceedings over 2 or more years ago.

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You guys just keep trying. I do, publicly, give mrobinson credit for being civil and somewhat factual. He makes a lot of assumptions, but at least he is not one of the bullying types that can regularly be found on this site.

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Spyglass, don't ;you remember 2010?

According to the election office records, Steve Brown did not take a single precinct in Peachtree City in the 2010 Election. You can verify by printing them out on line from the county website.

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Sorry, he did win a few PTC districts, but overall LOST.

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/elections/archives/72010SOVC_%20REPORT.pdf

Shakerag East - won by 3 votes.
Shakerag West - won by 7 votes.
McIntosh - LOST by 32 votes.
Oak Grove - LOST by 4 votes.
Kedron - won by 10 votes.
Aberdeen - LOST by 72 votes.
Windgate - LOST by 6 votes.
Flat Creek - won by 14 votes.
Braelinn - won by 18 votes.
Fielding Ridge - won by 11 votes.
Willowbend - won by 39 votes.
Camp Creek - LOST by 25 votes.

Brown lost PTC by 37 votes. Certainly not the mandate of the people in his victory overall, either - across Fayette County, Brown won by 941 votes.

If we use the district voting scenario with 2010 numbers, Brown wins by 14. Keep campaigning, Don and Harold. You may need it!

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look at the records

Mudcat there's no comparison. It's got nothing to do with supporters.

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Lookee there, johenry posts on top of people - just like Brown

Wonder if they have training sessions for that or is it perhaps the same person. Either way it is rude.

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The Many Faces of Steve Brown

My word! I don't know how The Brown Clown is getting any commissionering done these days what with him waving at motorists, creating all these aliases and posting comments and responses. I've counted at least a dozen. Have to give him credit though....some of the names are right catchy.

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I don't think Brown won as much as Smith lost

and even if he did, he has annoyed a lot more than 14 people in the last 4 years. On the other hand, a lot of his opponents have died in the past 4 years - not suggesting he had anything to do with that, simply pointing out some lost votes.

Nevertheless, those stats from 2010 are interesting - thanks for finding them, mrobinson.

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pips: Your opinion doesn't count

You're not a District 3 resident or voter so who really cares what you think? Your deity, Steve Brown, forecast this years ago when he decided that anyone AGAINST district voting in FC was nothing but a bunch of old-school bigots or racists. Here, let me refresh your memory from our very own NAACP Man of the Year winner, Steve "Journalism Major" Brown!":

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/26339

Love all the "intellect and superior ways to communicate" in that load of crap.

Brown made his bed and now gets to lie down in it, along with Don Haddix.

Oh yeah, the "the thing about Steve Brown is he's usually right" was talked about a ton because people couldn't believe how terribly wrong it was. A stray dog could beat Jackazz Smith, so hat's off for Brown! He actually didn't get totally humiliated like when he ran against Logsdon or Ramsey! HURRAY!

Logsdon is going to stomp a mud-hole into Brown and Haddix and there may not even be a run-off. I'm not the biggest Logsdon fan, but compared to Thing 1 and Thing 2, I'm becoming a believer.

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I think my opinion counts

Good terminology, "mud-hole". So Logsdon must first get out of the mud-hole Haddix stomped into him before he can stomp one into Brown? One step further, looking at the past two elections, it appears that it's Logsdon and Haddix both civically unemployed and quiet, while Brown crows his message from the rooftops.

Tried to "refresh my memory" with your above link, but got a message that it was no good.

Best way to separate the wheat from the chaff is to have a Brown-Logston-Haddix debate on the issues. Now THAT would be a real show.

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pips: Again, wake up. Haddix never defeated Logsdon. Duh.

Logsdon did not run against Haddix. Why have you twice this week thought that? Let me help you......LOGSDON DIDN'T RUN FOR RE-ELECTION AS MAYOR against Haddix so there is no way Haddix ever defeated him in an election. DUH. Are you counting the crappy handful of votes Haddix barely gained in his re-election attempt that was a horrid failure?

Like I said earlier this week when you made the same totally wrong claim....if you're going to comment on things in places you don't live, maybe try and get your facts straight first.

Logsdon defeated Brown by a 60%+ point margin. So did Ramsey. There are your facts if you bother with those troublesome details that get in the way of idolatry.

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I'm sorry, Haddix didn't beat Logsdon for Mayor...

...Logsdon didn't run for re-election then. In the last mayoral election, Vanessa Fleisch tromped Logsdon, but Haddix didn't make it to the runoff.

I copied the text of the letter in since the link didn't work.

I'm confused by your logic - Logsdon and Haddix didn't win elections against Brown? Or they didn't win because they were quiet? Well, I don't think Vanessa Fleisch was following the Steve Brown playbook when she was elected...

Enjoy your evening!

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A 2008 Perspective on District Voting

District voting: Those in power continue age-old oppressions

Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:53pm
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What should we tell our children about voting? How about telling them the truth about the struggle to uphold this vital element of democracy?

Voting in the United States has been a historically tough evolutionary battle toward justice, equality and political independence. However, if we just gloss over the subject and retain only a short-term perspective, voting appears almost a mundane task not worthy of involvement.

I wrote [recently] on the faux conservative movement in Fayette County with Rep. Matt Ramsey, who was elected himself in a Fayette County district vote, fighting any change to a voting system which includes three county voting districts based upon “militia districts” established in 1863.

His resistance also included trashing of the core conservative principle of direct representation and accountability to the local voters of a district, the most local form of government closest to the people.

For people not interested in being governed by a firm set of values and principles consistently moving toward protecting our rights and promoting less government intrusion, Rep. Ramsey’s positions might be of no concern.

Just two months ago then-candidate Ramsey said, “My candidacy is based on reform: reform of the budget process in the General Assembly, and reform of state agencies that often fail to respect the principle of local control. Local problems require local solutions, and I seek to empower our local officials to manage our community as they know best” (Letter from M. Ramsey, The Citizen, 11-28-07).

So far Rep. Ramsey has cosponsored a bill to spend budget surpluses and taken a divisive stand on keeping voting districts dating back to the Civil War while championing at-large voting and attempting to derail the most direct form of representation to the people — district voting.

Joining Rep. Ramsey in his non-conservative ideologically conflict-ridden journey is Peachtree City Mayor Harold Logsdon, who ran as a fiscal conservative promising tax reduction with the end result being annual tax increases with the highest rate of taxation and expenditures in the city’s history. We are not talking about the bedrock of conservatism here.

Before we even had a country, the colonists were complaining about taxation without representation. And in most people’s minds, representation included some form of voting.

Back at the inception of our country, voting was extremely limited. In fact, the Georgia Constitution in 1777 listed qualified voters as, “All white male inhabitants, of the age 21 years, and possessed in his own right of 10 pounds value, and liable to pay tax in this state, or being of any mechanic trade, and shall have been a resident six months in this state ...” That is pretty exclusive, and even they were not allowed to directly elect U.S. senators.

In 1869, a Republican-led Congress passed the Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which prevented denial of voting rights (also known as “suffrage”) based on “race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” However, if you were a woman in 1869 or under 21 years of age, you still did not count.

To put the preceding paragraph in context: the voting system Rep. Ramsey and Mayor Logsdon support of the three Fayette County districts dating back to 1863 was in place before minorities, women and adults under age 21 were allowed to vote.

I thought they campaigned on a theme of “change,” but they are actually pre-Fifteenth Amendment. This is true faux conservatism and the abandonment of individual liberty.

The Seventeenth Amendment in 1913 allowed us to have the popular election of U.S. senators.

It was not until 1919 that Congress passed the Nineteenth Amendment, which prevented denial of voting rights based “on account of sex.”

Please, women of the community, do not let your daughters forget that outstanding women like Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Stanton, along with thousands of “suffragettes,” battled fearlessly so your girls could have equal treatment under the law. This was a very rough road. Many in power set up obstacles along the way to gaining women’s eligibility to vote because, surprisingly, they wanted to keep the good old voting system that made our country great (Where have we heard that before?).

Even with the Fifteenth Amendment, many African-Americans were denied access to voting because of politicians who created poll taxes, literacy tests and other bureaucratic impediments in an attempt to keep the same old voting system in place. Southern blacks were harassed, intimidated and even suffered physical violence when attempting to register to vote.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 put an end to the obstacles African-Americans faced in the voting process. Many people of all races fought and some gave up their lives to ensure fairness in the voting system. It causes me great pain to see African-Americans of any political affiliation not vote. The bloody victory to equality in the voting process can be too easily forgotten.

It was not until 1971 that Congress passed the Twenty-sixth Amendment prohibiting the denial of voting to persons 18 and older based on age. The people demanded if you were old enough to die at war for your country, you were old enough to vote.

The historical lesson from our country is that certain people in power will try to oppress you for various reasons; and our liberty exists only because our people fight to preserve and uphold our freedom.

There were people like Matt Ramsey, Harold Logsdon and others in 1869, 1919 and 1965 who divisively claimed they would not allow the old inequitable system to yield, but justice and liberty won out.

There were people like Fayette Commissioner Herb Frady who deceitfully tried to sneak an unjust redistricting plan for a vote at an out-of-town county government retreat.

Come, young Republicans and young Democrats, this is your time to take a stand for extending liberty in our community as many have done before you. Organize and make your voices heard.

Who knows, one day we might even win the “right” as a people to elect our president.

Steve Brown

stevebrownptc@ureach.com

Peachtree City (Fayette County), Ga.

[Brown served as mayor of Peachtree City from 2001 to 2005.]

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Falling on deaf ears, mrobinson

I posted this link 15 times before a Brownie dared to respond, and I have to give "ginga" credit, she stated she disagreed this past week.

Everyone else......crickets. Hell, not even crickets, more like dead silence because the Kool-Aid they drink obviously numbed them so much and you can't say anything that might offend the all-awesome one, Steve Brown.

Calling them "gutless pukes" might have seemed harsh, but it's true. Take a stand or go home.

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Do you have a vote in the 3rd district?

Out of curiosity...

I am on record saying this stinks, losing 4 votes that is, and have never stated otherwise, unlike at least one candidate. I remember that candidate getting trounced the last time he had to run in this area.

We shall see who wins, the 3rd candidate does not have a snowballs chance. We will all be just fine either way.

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Spy, "Quiet Government"

My query posting is based on several things. Sometimes, I just plain hit the wrong keys on my computer. Sometimes, I just like to see if folks are really paying attention.

Now let's deal with professionalism.

I have a real hard time with folks who just can't be real because they feel that "real" isn't professional.

Some politicians think that their professionalism equates to "quiet government."

I am very leery of politicians who hide behind professionalism and "quiet government."

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It is ok to disagree..

I see candidates/elected officials arguing with bloggers as unprofessional myself

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Will Haddix's five votes be enough to force a runoff?

Or does Logsdon take it without one?

That is the only suspense I can foresee.

I say no runoff.

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Overkill, so...much...overkill

seems the Logsdon folks are just a little too "histrionic" over this election.

So many on here are so "histrionic" about this candidate who is just about the second coming of Christ in their mind.

Makes one wonder why that is so. I should know.

Histrionic, good word.

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As you probably are well aware of, I am a Steve Brown supporter. I have done my own research (besides reading this blog), instead of using generic statements please tell me what Brown is dysfunctional on. In my opinion he has been spot on during his tenure on the board.
1. Pinewood Studios
2. Fixing the water problem that he did not create
3. Transparent government by installing live Internet connection and re-broadcast for all to see (Including Logsdon because he doesn't go to the meetings)
4. Does not engage in deficit spending

And the list goes on. Please give me a few of your specific opinions as to why you think Brown is not worthy of your vote.

He certainly has mine and I truly want to know why you think I shouldn't vote for him and not some blanket statement. I will investigate what you say to see if it makes sense.

Josh

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Well Josh, enjoy your research. Better yet run for office.

I mean that. Monitor Logsdon for the next 4 years and see how he represents his west PTC district and/or how he conducts himself as commission chair if the other 4 elect him chairman as a rookie - like they did for Jack Smith. If you think you can do a better job and you actually live in that district, sign up and run for office. I wouldn't be negative about your opponent(s) as so many of us are on here, but then again, Logsdon's negatives are very few compared to Brown and Stumpy.

You wanted specific examples and mrobinso_ptc supplied plenty of those. I will only add that he was definitely not involved in the Pinewood deal until after the announcement and deliberately so by those actually in charge, which by the way is perfectly legal and the way development authorities are structured. I will only add a couple of other specific example from Brown's past - an illegal development moratorium over the objections of the city attorney who was himself fired later, purging of Williams and Basinger simply because they were there under previous mayors and their institutional memory and experience far outweighed his.

Bottom line is whoever we elect is going to represent a sizable portion of Peachtree City at the county commission during the next 4 years and I want someone who won't be the subject of ridicule or an easy mark for the district representation sniping on one-upmanship that is likely to occur - thanks NAACP, you fools.

I also want someone who is not viewed with open disdain at the state level and at DOT and ARC - remember the chairman is automatically on the ARC, so whether they elect Logdson or Oddo commission chair, I am happy and proud. Coston will probably be OK as well, but she won't be chair as she is an AA rep from the convoluted fifth district. Ognio might be an ok guy, but let's keep him as commissioner only, not chair. Barlow a definite one and done.

By the way, Brown and others - you don't post above someone when you are responding to them or answering a question. They way it is set up, you respond below them - just like I did with Josh. It is a small thing, but people that post at the top are usually cocky and full of themselves and therefore not fit for elected office, although perfectly qualified to be candidates. Go stand by the road and wave at traffic.

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Well, mrobinson, of all the negative bloggers, I do give you credit for not using crude language. Your facts can be a little shaky sometimes, but you are civil.

Go ask the Pinewood developers. I was working with them a good while before anything surfaced and have worked to support their incredible effort. Go ask the people who gave us the awards. I understand you are making assumptions, just go ask.

For the record, I brought CH2M Hill into Fayette County - no bid, by virtue of EPD approval. I did it again a second time when Steve Rapson was in Alaska on vacation. We later brought them in on bid full-time.

We go well beyond live internet connection and re-broadcast. We let anyone speak on any agenda item or non-agenda item with no time limits. The most open local government in the state.

Unfortunately, you really do not know anything about our spending decisions; that's just the truth. The land in Peachtree City for the bridge abutment, really? You are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel on that one.

And you are wrong, the East Fayetteville Bypass is not unfunded.

Not sure there is anything wrong with participating in a conference. By the way, the conference paid airfare and hotel (another assumption gone wrong).

Dan Tennant, really? And you know Dan Tennant too, good gosh. Scraping the bottom of barrel again. Let's not forget that the Georgia Trend panel fact-checked and evaluated each submission. You are chosen on the merit. That one makes you appear desperate.

Funny about the Christ Our Shepherd church. If you go look at the meeting minutes, I cite the land plan and the staff does not. And, yes, I told everyone, including you in the room, that Walgreens was going to build regardless and they ended up knocking out a favorite restaurant of many. Over the years, I have had several of the nearby homeowners tell me they wished they had listened to me. What's done is done and we move on.

The "Holiday Tree" was so named by former local music minister Kevin Haglund who was volunteering his time to help the city with the first ever Christmas program at the amphitheater. Mr. Logsdon through his friends went vicious and used it as an issue against me. Actually, it was the "Grand Holiday Tree" because Rev. Haglund knew we were buying a very tall live tree. Rev. Haglund actually wrote a letter to the editor stating he named the tree and I have always felt bad that the poor man had to go through all that just because the issue made a good political pawn. On that one, a leader in the VFW came to me later and personally apologized for helping with that misleading effort. I have great respect for him to this day for showing that kind of integrity.

You can contact Rev. Haglund on Facebook to verify if you want to. He no longer lives in Fayette County. Unfortunately, the Citizen archives is missing the Dec. 15, 2005 edition, but here is a link mentioning it: http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/1778.html.

You can just say you do not like me and you would like me to lose the election, that would be sufficient. It you want to ask questions of people whom I have helped when no one else in the government would lift a finger, call me and I will get you some names.

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Really Steve?

You had zero to do with Pinewood and bringing the studio to Fayette County. You were not even brought into the conversation until after the deal was done. I will be polite and say no more as I could go into great detail about actual events and facts.

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Dar - I wish you would tell...

...because Steve and the tea party express are on here really pushing it was all about Steve. Apparently there's a napkin in there somewhere. We only have one side of the story, as told and "corroborated" by the tea party express.

No one else is talking, apparently because they have better things to do.

So, Dar, if you do really know the other half, I beg you to share, and then be prepared for the onslaught of the lock-steppers!

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mrobinson

Everyone has their own prism they use to gauge what the other is doing and we view some things differently.

As I said before, I appreciate your civility. We do not always have to agree. We do, at times, get irritated with how the other communicates and that is okay.

Thanks for your comments.

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Steve Brown - Your Approach is Divisive

Steve:

I do think you are a good person with a passion for what you believe in. I would not "like" you to the lose the election, I would prefer someone else in office other than you.

While we do need a myriad of opinions and voices to help make decisions in this world, I take issue with your communication style and approach. How you communicate is just as important as what you communicate. I appreciate being called civil, as that is simply what I feel is the "right way" to be. You can also be civil, but I have also seen you not. In my opinion, all the good you may do can be cast aside by the tone and temperament others perceive based on your communications.

You do provide assistance to individuals, and that is certainly a good quality to have, but your approach, as indicated by your words, underscores an arrogance and can set people against you. "...when no one else in government would lift a finger...". You and I both know that there are MANY in government who lift their fingers, toes, legs and arms to help and provide the citizens the community they live in. The "team" does a wonderful job. Sometimes members of the "team" don't live up to the challenge, as is the case in every profession, and those members of the "team" should have corrective action taken professionally.

Less I, more we. Acknowledge and support the team. Speak positively. Correct mistakes quietly. Build confidence from and with whom you interact.

Do more of those things, and I wouldn't be nearly as strong in my criticism.

Now, on to our interpretations of the facts!

"I do not know anything about our spending decisions." Got a few questions:

1. Where is the bridge over 54 by the Line Creek Nature Center? Will it ever be built? I think the answer is no, so that's, in my opinion, $850K of taxpayer money wasted.

2. ICMA conference - did you request any reimbursement for any expenses at all? My point was to try to relate this to the "extravagant all-expenses paid trip by Sany". Again, it's OK if government officials go to a conference, but they can't go on an economic development trip? That "talking point" being used by a few of your supporters simply doesn't wash.

3. When will dirt turn and asphalt get laid on the East Fayette Bypass? If not in the next few years, then when? If never, more taxpayer money wasted. One can understand your reasoning for the purchase at the time (if we don't buy it now, it will be turned into a subdivision and the road would never be built again, or at a much higher cost), but I guess progress needs to take place for me to believe the land purchase was wise. Would you say the project is "underfunded"?

On to other points:

Didn't a previous Peachtree City Land Use Plan call for high-rise apartments in the area now known as Planterra? Plans are guidelines, not set-in-stone rules that must be followed. Wasn't the land where Wilshire Estates now resides in the Land Use plan as industrial property? I guess sometimes it's okay to deviate from the plans. And yes, if a business wants to come to town and provide a service, and they aren't violating any actual laws or are overwhelmingly defined as socially reprehensible (even then, are they violating laws?), is it government's role to stop them?

My point wasn't the facts here. It goes back to my larger issue - how you handled it. It was the evisceration of the professional who provided his opinion - that tone and temperment you exhibited that night will never be captured in a set of minutes, but it remains in the minds of those of us who were there, and it was, in my opinion, extremely unprofessional.

Some citizens can say "I wish that wouldn't have been built there." There's a lot of things I've seen in my 30 years here that I could say didn't need to be there (do we really need three Chick-Fil-A's and four McDonalds?), but it's legal, it's permitted, and it's there. Get over it!

I have put this in bold, because it's my driving point to you in all of this:

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

A few other points:

Dan Tennant? What's wrong with him? You seem to imply there's something wrong with him. Merit or not, submitting your own name for consideration, if you did that (would you care to admit that?), is the textbook definition of self-serving. Were your motives to get publicity for Peachtree City or to have someone pat you on the back?

I also know the process in getting ARC CREATE Community awards, as I was intimately involved in one. Here's the magic - you fill out an application, and if you're picked, you get an invitation to go to a breakfast and get your trophy. You get an article in the paper, and you move on.

For the GEDA "Deal of the Year", it is certainly nice to see what government did move quickly to help Pinewood. Please see questions 1 and 3 as examples of why most don't necessarily believe government is efficient or effective.

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/10-23-2013/gov-deal-pins-%E2%80%98dea...

Fayette County Water System - CH2M Hill - you or Rapson?

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/05-19-2013/ga-epd-now-sniffing-stinky...

Rapson said he met late this past week with staff from EPD, WASA and the water system at the Crosstown water plant to discuss ideas from EPD that might mitigate the water problem in a more timely fashion. Rapson said he also authorized the hire of consulting firm CH2M HILL to help with the issue.

So, you certainly were one of five who approved that no bid, but it wasn't YOU alone.

Holiday Tree - you hung yourself on that one, unfortunately. Just because someone else named it didn't mean you had to promote it to the hilt in the height of the "War on Christmas". Politically ill-timed, for sure!

In the end, we will certainly agree to disagree. What I see, however, is a continued pattern of what others could define as character assassination of hard-working professionals and volunteers to meet a political end - the elevation of the selected candidate to a particular office.

It's what you and your supporters appear to me to do, and I would like to try to be a differing voice on the matter.

I hope life treats you well. As it relates to elected office, simply be professional, or be silent. The era of the tea party express has led to a complete loss of professionalism. You can say the same things without the rancor, do the same things without the vitriol. All I want from you is LESS OF YOU TAKING CREDIT, LESS OF YOU GRANDSTANDING, LESS BLOGGING, LESS LETTERS TO THE EDITOR TAKING SOLE CREDIT. Change your tone, and you'll change your effectiveness (possibly to the good).

Go back occasionally and re-read Oddo's letter to you near the end of last year. See what you can do to people - I'm not alone in this.

OK, I think I've said enough here. Thanks for your efforts, and again, good luck in your life. As for me, I won't vote for you, now or again, until I see that you can truly be professional. Right now, your actions and continued actions turn me off.

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Josh - can I answer too?

And I show my work:

1. Pinewood Studios. See Forshee, Matt; Pace, Jim; Cathy Family. Not sure if there was room in the helicopter for 'ol Steve.
Source - http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/03-13-2013/pinewood-studios-project-g...

2. Fixing the water problem that he did not create. I'm thinking CH2M Hill did that work, and I doubt Mr. Brown made that call, and he was one of five who voted them in...I'm thinking Mr. Rapson's experience in Sandy Springs probably helped there. How did CH2M Hill get introduced to Fayette County? Say hello to the Georgia EPD!

Sources - http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/11-13-2013/fayette-spend-338k-water-s... http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/administration/BOC/archives/2013/minutes/...

3. Live internet connection and re-broadcast. A good thing, and I should know :)

4. Does not engage in deficit spending. Well, I wouldn't call the spending decisions wise, nor would I say he didn't engage in it in the past. Led the charge to buy land in Peachtree City that can't be used for a planned bridge. Led the charge to buy land for an unfunded East Fayetteville Bypass. Peachtree City was spending something to the tune of $5 million of fund balance to balance the 2005 budget (http://www.peachtree-city.org/documents/6/11/2005budget.pdf, PDF page 33, followed by http://www.peachtree-city.org/documents/6/11/2006budget.pdf, PDF page 37).

If you want to say Steve Brown doesn't deficit spend, I beg to differ. Sometimes it's not just policy or principle that stop you from deficit spending - it's life.

Why is Steve Brown not worthy of my vote:
1. He portrays himself the champion of the common man in order to promote his own image. Why would Steve Brown and Steve Rapson spend what I can only assume is taxpayer money to travel to Boston and present why the Tea Party Express is taking over? Have a look at the PowerPoint, friends.

Source - https://webapps.icma.org/conference_Handouts/handouts2013/ICMA%20Present...

And should we forget, the Georgia Trend "40 under 40" award. Let's have Dan Tennant remind us, shall we? Let's go back to 2005...

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/1350.html

By: Letters to the ...
If you go on to Steve Brown’s Web site, you will find among a section he calls Steve’s bio. It tells a good bit of information about Brown and includes a couple of accolades he is evidently proud of.

I’ll let you in on a little secret. At least one of them is a total sham.

Not long after Steve Brown got elected, he showed up at my doorstep unannounced with a “favor” to ask me. It seemed that Brown had gotten wind of Georgia Trend Magazine’s “40 under 40” campaign in which certain movers and shakers under 40 years old are nominated for being recognized as the up and coming leaders in the state.

If you guessed that Brown asked me to write something to the magazine nominating him, you’re close but you’re wrong. It’s worse.

Steve Brown actually showed up with a nomination for himself for this accolade that he himself penned.

Yes, the not so noble “I love being your mayor” Steve Brown was — imagine this — busy drumming up support for himself even way back then.

He tried to beat the system, which was intended for genuine up and coming leaders of Georgia to be nominated as such by others who felt they were worthy of such distinguished recognition. He just didn’t think he’d ever get caught.

So Brown asked me to put my name on his letter and fax it to Georgia Trend magazine on my home fax machine. At the time, I said, “Oh, what the heck,” and sent it in for him.

Of course, this was a dumb mistake on my part, and I regret going along with the sham, but at the time I was fooled by Brown, like a lot of other people have been since then.

In light of the importance of the impending mayor runoff election on Dec. 6, I thought it was probably high time this dirty little secret came out from hiding.

This kind of underhanded self serving act speaks volumes about Brown’s credibility or lack thereof in his re-election bid. I urge you to turn away an ethically challenged Steve Brown on Dec. 6 and help bring in real leadership and real honesty in the mayor’s office.

Dan Tennant
Peachtree City, Ga.

2. His modus operandi appears to be "agree with me or else". I sat in a packed Council meeting and watched him skewer a City staffer on the Walgreen's attempt to purchase land where Christ Our Shepherd church is. It was truly embarrassing to watch, since this professional gave a professional opinion that did not coincide with Mr. Brown's thoughts on the matter. I think one could infer that the recent shakeup at FCDA smells vaguely similar; I certainly hope not.

I could go on (the "Holiday Tree", the wakeboarding death insensitivity, the almost regular appearance of the Fox 5 news truck at City Hall, the "press releases" on the County's website, the Public Works criminal fiasco, the contract fiasco that led to a City Attorney resignation - http://thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-020818/fp-09.html). Smell any patterns here? Goes after attorneys and development authorities, rails against developers, flip flops on issues....blames others, takes credit where it's not his.

So, Josh, please go back and take a look - it's not a pretty picture. I want my elected officials out of the papers, other than the obligatory ribbon cutting picture.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

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Mr. Bloom - You missed

the most important.........he waves well.

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Well Josh, you can support the devil for all I care

But when your list includes a negative swipe at Logsdon, you lose all credibility.
Go peddle your crap somewhere else. Better yet run for office yourself and see how much fun that is.

I'm very impressed that the brown clown is up to 4 supporters. He may indeed break through the 200 votes I suggested as a minimal humiliating experience. Or then again, he may not.

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He did run for office...
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Here's mine, Josh

1) Antagonistic, surly, bombastic and someone not able to work with anyone who disagrees with him. Not the most honest person either, even by political standards.
2) Was totally against TDK Blvd, then stated that "his Council in PTC" had done more to make it happen than anyone had before, then was suddenly totally against it again.
3) Was totally against Westside Annexation, created an illegal building moratorium, and still tried to negotiate with Weiland on a Westside Annexation anyway that he was supposedly totally against.
4) 850K bridge to nowhere.
5) Raises hell and smears every opponent of himself or his hand-picked jokes like Barlow. A dirty campaigner that could care less about anything or anyone else besides himself getting elected, or his cronies.
6) Ran PTC into the ground in a fiasco of his 4 years as Mayor.
7) Accused everyone of being bigots and comparing those against as having a slave-owner mentality for being against district voting. Of course, after losing two elections by huge margins, that opinion changed, just like any other opinion the guy has had.
8) Campaigned for FC Commission by promising to stop the WFB even though that would not be possible with just his one vote and he knew it. See Point 1 on that.
9) Busted on ethics charges in both PTC and FC

I have more if you would like, Josh.

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best fit for this post

is Harold Logsdon, the only one to talk about the future of the district and the county instead of predicating his position on perceived mistakes of past commissioners like the other two did.

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Yes tonto, but only because he is the only sane one in the race

Brown has proven his disfunction and flip flopping many times. Haddix is completely insane and delusional. Logsdon is the best chance we in PTC have to having an adult recognizing us as his constituents.

One funny thing is my spell check underlined "Haddix" and suggested "Had Dick" as an alternative.

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yes tonto

Of course the only sane one.

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