Haddix, Imker joust over budgetary blog post
Dienhart chides fellow council members for arguing, casting poor light on PTC
A blog post from Mayor Don Haddix referencing the city budget riled up two of his fellow council members at the April 19 meeting.
A complaint about the post from Councilwoman Kim Learnard led to a heated exchange between Haddix and Councilman Eric Imker. The Haddix-Imker vitriol subsequently drew criticism from Councilman George Dienhart.
“This needs to end,” Dienhart said. “You are embarrassing the city. Collectively, we are embarrassing the city. The city deserves better leadership than we are providing at this moment. This needs to end and it needs to end now. You two need to work together for the betterment of the city, not against each other. This is pathetic!”
Dienhart then got up from his chair and left council chambers briefly before returning.
Imker agreed with Dienhart’s assessment of the situation as “pathetic” but instead of backing off, threw virtual lighter fluid on an already-lit charcoal grill by saying: “I’m just waiting for the next 18 or 19 months for this leadership to be over,” Imker said.
“That’s right. So am I,” Haddix replied.
Whereupon Haddix and Imker resumed their debate as council members Learnard and Vanessa Fleisch moved to adjourn the meeting for the routine agenda-ending executive (closed) session.
It took a few seconds, but the combatants eventually picked up on the cue. The motion passed unanimously.
The dust-up between Imker and Haddix began after Learnard quoted extensively from the mayor’s blog post from earlier that day and asked Haddix to drop the issue in the blogs. The blog post referred to is online in the “Comments” section at www.TheCitizen.com, where Haddix occasionally posts under his own name.
Learnard was questioning a blog post written by Haddix that referred to the city’s plans to spend $3 million to lower the city reserves and balance the budget the next two years.
Learnard ultimately had a request for Haddix.
“We need to, I am asking you nicely, to quit this in the blogs, please,” Learnard said to Haddix.
“Or what?” Haddix shot back.
“Or nothing,” Learnard replied. “I am just asking you nicely to stop doing this in the blogs.”
After Imker said he took “great exception” to the content of the post, Haddix contended the information was accurate.
“The whole thing is full of inaccuracies and outright lies,” Imker said.
“It is not,” Haddix said. “You and your ‘lie’ accusations.”
Imker argued that Haddix’s post created the impression that the city would be spending the city’s reserves down into the negative. Imker said the city’s reserve target is $6 million but the city currently has $9 million in cash reserve on hand.
“That’s a misrepresentation trying to have some kind of political gain of some kind. I don’t understand,” Imker said.
Imker also challenged Haddix’s contention in the blog that the city took on an additional $5 million in debt. The council recently authorized a $3 million facilities improvement bond which is certainly additional debt that didn’t exist before, but the other $2.4 million referred to previously existing debt that was refinanced at a lower interest rate, Imker said.
“Five million is a misrepresentation and it’s either ignorance or outright lies, and I tend to think it’s the latter,” Imker said.
Haddix noted that he disagreed with the lowering of city reserves. Imker asked why Haddix hadn’t pointed out that the city added $2 million to the reserves over the past two years.
Haddix said that windfall was “from a tax increase, not from fiscal responsibility.” Haddix had opposed the 1.25 mill property tax increase that was approved by council in 2010.
“By my estimation, we are still spending more than we bring in,” Haddix said.
Imker suggested Haddix wait until the city opens the upcoming budget discussions “and then we can yell at each other.”
Haddix chided Imker for painting a rosy picture of sales tax increases a short while back using figures from the busiest months of the year.
The Council even has some of the press snowed that these closed door meetings are simply "in our best interest". They are not. These closed door meetings should be for very rare reasons and used very sparingly. That is the law. Perhaps if John Munford had been here during the sewer deal he would understand and would not have referred to all of these closed door meetings as routine.
In fact, go back and read how John recounts what happened (all of this is on the City Council website video library):
"Whereupon Haddix and Imker resumed their debate as council members Learnard and Vanessa Fleisch moved to adjourn the meeting for the routine agenda-ending executive (closed) session. It took a few seconds, but the combatants eventually picked up on the cue. The motion passed unanimously."
Wow ! "Shut it down---- let's go private on this." And the shocker--- for Munford to call these closed sessions "routine agenda-ending executive (closed) session" shows how the City methodically operates. When the regular meeting ends, two things happen. The public and the press goes home. And, the video is turned off. So when they go into executive session, then come back out and do something it is very hard to discover what they did or what they debated. Huge issues remain in the dark. I am not blaming Munford. I am blaming the Council.
Is the constant back biting; constant portrayals of Bertha Better than You's -- all without merit; and lack of progression, a sign that PTC is REGRESSING?
Show some class guys.
Enough! Fact is these two simply detest one another, so why not lock them in a room until they can figure out how to exist without embarrassing our city any further. The two women on Council can decide when it is that these two have succeeded in learning how to coexist. Dienhart can observe since he also has a habit of trying to shout down others.
I'm sure that within the walls of our relatively new police headquarters is such a barred enclosure that would serve this purpose nicely. Should this process prove to last longer than 24 hours, we could transfer them to the County Jail.
From top to botton, hands down the worst mayor/council in the history of this fair city. And as hard as it is to believe, I think it just got worse with Georgie Porgy. Such small headed people we have elected to govern.
I agree they've done C work but in my book that ranks them above previous councils. I'd rather see them fight and do nothing than take action on the wrong initiatives. Still I think we're far better off than if Ms. P would have been elected.
Steve
The real issues here with the PTC Council are (1) that the meetings in Peachtree City are unproductive and (2) that decision making is not happening. Could everything be a split vote? Yes. And that would be okay. Almost every U.S. Supreme Court case is a split vote. And yet they get along and move on to the next case. Just take a vote and move
on ! But not this Mayor and not this council.
Councilmember Learnard has already shown why she would not be a good mayor. If she cannot tolerate a dissenting viewpoint on a blog about stormwater and budgets (with no real personal insults in it) how much more dictatorial would she be with a gavel? At the April 19 meeting she attempted to silence Mayor Haddix’s blogging to which he rightly answered “Or What?”. The truth be known, the response to objectionable free speech should not be suppression but more free speech. With her constant attempts to embarrass and stir up Haddix, Learnard shows that she would probably quarrel as a Mayor and get nothing done, just like they’re doing now.
Mrs. Learnard reminds me of former Council Member Annie McMenamin, also a mayoral aspirant. Ms. McMenamin tried to stop Mayor Steve Brown from writing letters to the editor by making a motion for a resolution of the council. Her attempt died for lack of a second. It was silly. Mrs. Learnard is attempting the same type of legally flawed censorship aimed at Mr. Haddix here.
Which brings us to the real issue (which is apparently what caused Mr. Dienhart to walk out of the meeting) which is the dysfunction of the council. This whole issue arose in the context of Stormwater management, a subject Mayor says has been shoved aside. He tries to accuse his opponents of “political budgets”, defined as giving people nice things that they want. But (as Editor Beverly opined some time ago) shouldn’t government be focused on base needs and not optional luxuries--- those “nice” things? Shouldn’t the city be concerned with Stormwater maintenance, which the Feds require, rather swimming pool bubbles, motorcycles, tennis courts and ball field irrigation? It seems that the entire council has let the administrators run the city and the end result is giving the demanding public bread and circus.
Shouldn’t the city be concerned with Stormwater maintenance, which the Feds require, rather swimming pool bubbles, motorcycles, tennis courts and ball field irrigation?
Let the stormwater flow where it may. I live here because of the great community resources, including swimming pool bubbles, tennis courts, and ball fields. I could care less what the "feds" require and should I or my community fall into non-compliance with the "feds" I'll continue to sleep perfectly sound. If the roads flood, I'll wait until they clear before using them.
Steve
Specifcally - "shouldn’t government be focused on base needs and not optional luxuries--- those “nice” things?"
The answer of course is yes they should. More telling is the reason they do not. The so-called base needs such as stormwater, sewer, road paving, cart path maintenance, police, fire, EMT, etc. all require two things of council:
1. The ability to listen to the technical managers, engineers, chiefs and department heads knowing full well that they know more about their area than you do. You also have to filter it through an almost certain tendency for those people to overstate their needs in terms of dollars and personnel. In other words you have to respect their technical knowledge and at the same time bring enough fiscal common sense to the process to avoid bloated government growth.
2. Council has to realize that the 36,000 people who live here are quite content to sit back and let the 5 of them make all the decisions so that they themselves do not have to get involved. Until Steve Brown came along and tried to make everything about him, the norm was for council meetings to last an hour and have 5 residents attend and hardly any controversy at all. But with people like Brown and now Haddix and unfortunately most of his council, the 36,000 start paying attention to their childish antics and are no longer content to sit back and allow these people to run the city. Of course the higher level of technology and instant communication puts all this under a huge magnifying glass, which makes small problems big ones.
Of course there have been several people to serve on council who tried hard to disrupt and distract, but most of the time we had real leadership and the meetings were conducted with a certain decorum. Even Harold Logsdon who did not do much else managed to act mayor-like and ran calm meetings even with the disruptive Mr. Haddix on his council. Lenox didn't have any maverick as i recall, Fred "the real mayor" Brown did, but he sure could run a disciplined meeting. Frady's maverick was Brown who was polite at meetings - he just went out and got elected to replace him.
And therein I just found a teachable moment. Do you realize the two worst mayors we have ever had to endure in PTC were the only ones elected since Chip Conner in an open (meaning no incumbent opponent) election? Brown did not beat Lenox (a myth he himself used to promote) instead Lenox was maxed out on terms and Brown barely beat an airline pilot. Logsdon ran for higher office and Haddix beat Plunkett. Interesting, isn't it?
Again the praise for the good old days. I won't go deeper than that beyond the realities of PTC for the first 20 years bear no resemblance to what came after as the city had its big growth period.
PCDC is gone.
I have to ask a question several people have asked me. Did you use to work at City Hall back during the good old days? Much of what has been said to me, your comments and so on lend credence to that question. A good number of people think you did.
Be honest here.
are you serious with this comment? What good does it do to question someone's past job history in this context?
I agree with others, the less you say on here the better off you sound.
What the heck does it matter whether or not Dead Man worked at City Hall? What does that have to do with the discussion regarding your actions and decisions? This is typical behavior of someone who is guilty as charged and can't defend their own actions so therefore try to divert the focus towards the other person by questioning their motive. Just another example of how pitiful of an excuse you are as mayor. You sir would not know leadership if it walked up and slapped you in the face.
Leadership is not something he understands.
Probably he thinks Morgan is one of the Jim's - Bassinger, Williams, Murray, Watkins, Strickland, Walls, Jensen, Porter or Pace.
He may think (no never mind the thinking thingie).
He may think that Morgan is someone he can reach through the police department. Good luck with that one.
Why do have this sad little man as mayor? Can we not do better than this?
I never worked at city hall unless you count thousands of hours being there and trying to help grow this city. I was there a lot - helping instead of hurting. I cared (and still care) about how the city is doing and believe me -you little vile man - I did more for this city than you could ever imagine. I never, ever, ever took off and dissed someone working with me or even against me. I never, ever, ever took the low road. My participation was sincere and successful. EDITED & WARNED Can you say you are doing your best to help the city more than your ego or whatever the heck you are trying to do? You have no standing in the group that really cares about this city and puts service beyond self. Go away you troll. No one thinks you are a serious person.
Your question "Did you use to work at City Hall back during the good old days? Much of what has been said to me, your comments and so on lend credence to that question". No, I didn't make it up, it was a cut and copy. He also talks this way in person.
English major alert. Just take apart the question - don't worry why he asks it or why he can't use the correct words or why he is trying to identify me.
How in the world did we get this EDITED & WARNED as a mayor? Next time let's get a high school graduate that speaks English.
Or maybe we could shoot higher and get a college graduate that has actually run a business. Let's hope and pray for hope and change.
Honestly, your words and your actions here are contradictory.
You are consistent, though. You sound just like you did in 2007 and 2009 when talking about my political future and what people thought of me.
With that said, I never asked your name, you answered my question and I will pass it along.
What we all thought of you in past years was mostly indifference. Now it is a combination of warped fascination the same as one has while viewing a traffic accident along with a deep sadness about the people who have been chosen to lead the city. I think that another censure and possible a recall are the only things in your so-called political future. I am ashamed of our entire city council, but have especially bad feelings about your role, which is supposed to be running meetings professionally. Any other mayor would have taken the minor disruptions in stride and acted as a peacemaker. But instead, you make things worse for no logical reason. Shame on you.
I think if you can't control yourself when it comes to blogging, maybe Cal could step up and block you from this site. I seriously doubt you would be discussed as much as you are on here, if you would simply disappear.
Don't call for Cal to block our Mayor from this site, it is important for his total defeat in the next election.
Mayor, you just go right on posting here so we can all see how you lead by example, show us your intellect and above all else show us that humble human being we so admire.
Just keep doing your best Mr. Mayor, tell us how you are doing everyday if necessary.
Thanks so very much for your posts here.
I was on board with Haddix being thrown under the bus because he is a fool.
You think he should be allowed to keep speaking since he is a fool.
Ok, whatever. Just so he goes away.
Yes indeed, we should let him speak so he throws himself under the bus.
Then, at the next election, he will go away!
PTCO-LOL...Unfortunately Donnie has probably been driven in to a hole. There's always the meetings, live cam and video library to see the whole PTC Follies, as Mike King calls it. It would be funny except these folks are for real.
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Who is Morgan ? Who cares ?
There are few on here who agree with Morgan less often than do I, but occasionally I do.
He (or she) usually puts up well thought out and informative posts on a variety of local issues. Does Morgan appear to know the history better than most? Yes. Does that mean he was a former employee ? Who cares...
You remind me of the New York Yankees after they read the book "Clubhouse Insider", a tell-all book by a batboy. They never thought of getting a confidentiality agreement. It was too late for them and too late for you. (Oh, no...now this will provoke a whole bunch of closed meetings and big attorney billings).
We were all amused a couple of years ago when Father Oops proudly praised Morgan for having the courage to use his real name. Robert W. Morgan (may he rest in peace) is a deceased radio talk show personality from California.
It seems that you and Kim need to focus less on blogs and more on the fact that both the general tax rate and the stormwater fees will have to be raised. I regret it but that is probably the ugly reality.
For now, leave Morgan alone.
I assure you I was never a batboy - not that there is anything wrong with that.
I do remember the Rev. Epps thing and that was good. I am real, dead, but real. I am really upset that by being dead I can't be on the radio anymore. Wolfman Jack feels the same.
"Living" in PTC the last few decades has helped me appreciate the finer things in life. It has also taught me to shy away from the vile and evil things in life. I want our city to live on forever and not have people in charge who think more of themselves than they do of the city. Betcha ya you agree with that.
Your feeble attempt to state that your tenure is much more difficult than of those who came before you only underscores your lack of ability as compared to them.
Now are you trying to out someone for nefarious reasons?
The largest need for Peachtree City is your resignation.

Unbelievable--- after the IT bidding scandal, at Thursday's May 3 Council meeting, the Staff is coming to council with another no-bid negotiated project. Look at the below agenda link at page 23. They are blowing $80,000 without any bidding !!! They are calling it a "stormwater emergency". The Mayor said this is the stuff that was "neglected for decades". What's the emergency?
You could have paid cash for one Skippy's scooter bikes with what you would have saved by putting it out to bid.
http://www.peachtree-city.org/documents/City%20Council%20Agenda%20Packet...