Fayette officials: ‘We didn’t know about tax breaks’

Fayette County Manager Steve Rapson (L) and County Commission Chairman Steve Brown. Photos/File.
Even after being asked, FCDA failed to notify Fayette about Pinewood deal’s tax abatement
 
“Nobody told us” about the loss of an estimated $144 million in future property tax revenue associated with the Pinewood Atlanta Studios deal, Fayette County officials are saying.
 
In the aftermath, CEO Matt Forshee is leaving the Fayette County Development Authority, while five of the eight members of the authority board are leaving the board.
 
In addition, Peachtree City Councilwoman Kim Learnard is calling the county commission chairman “a one-man wrecking crew” because of the sweeping changes at the FCDA. Fayette County Commission Chairman Steve Brown blamed Learnard’s reaction on her political support of Brown’s opponent, Harold Logsdon, in the upcoming Republican Primary.
 
The “communication issue” that led the commission to take a different direction on the FCDA is now being explained in more detail than initially provided by county officials.
 
County Manager Steve Rapson and Chairman Brown confirmed Monday that in August 2013, Rapson asked the authority to allow the commission to review all bond and property tax abatement documents prior to their being approved by FCDA.
 
Brown noted this would allow the county attorney to review the documents and make sure county taxpayers were getting a good deal in exchange for the tax breaks.
 
Several months following that request to FCDA — and without notifying the county manager or the commission — the authority in November approved a bond and tax abatement package for Pinewood Atlanta Studios, Rapson and Brown confirmed.
 
The documents were approved in open court in December by Fayette County Chief Superior Court Judge Christopher C. Edwards and advertised in the county legal organ.
 
“The development authority didn’t tell us they were doing any tax abatements,” Rapson said, noting that Brown and Fayetteville Mayor Greg Clifton gave a number of media interviews touting the Pinewood project and how it was unique because no property tax breaks were necessary to attract the studios here.
 
Rapson said the fault doesn’t lie with most of the outgoing FCDA board members, but he does feel the outgoing CEO Forshee and the resigned FCDA Chair, Randy Hayes, are responsible for not informing the county of the property tax abatement.
 
The ultimate cost to taxpayers on the Pinewood property tax break was calculated to be $144 million over the 20-year life of the bond, Rapson said, adding that he felt the county and the Fayetteville city governments would have been OK with the deal inked by FCDA had it been brought to them before the documents were finalized.
 
“The people who should have the biggest issue with this is the school system,” Rapson said, since the school system derives a major chunk of its revenue from property taxes.
 
Rapson said when he approached the FCDA in August asking for notice of any new tax abatement proposals, it was a “pretty long and detailed conversation” with FCDA representatives.
 
Rapson acknowledged that Georgia law does not require the county to have a look at the paperwork in advance, and said he further understood the FCDA has to be a separate entity from the rest of county government.
 
“I felt we had some key players we didn’t have a relationship with, who we were communicating with, that did not communicate with us,” Rapson said.
 
Rapson reiterated his feeling that Pinewood has always acted in good faith during the tax abatement negotiations and in its other dealings with the county.
 
Though Georgia law does not require the FCDA to give the county say-so over its bond and tax abatement power, the document review was necessary, Brown said, “so our county attorney could make sure they were in the best interest of the citizens of Fayette County.”
 
The county commission, at its April 10 meeting, voted to install five new authority members. Rapson noted that only one of the authority members who was replaced had applied for re-appointment, and that the other four seats had terms due to expire.
 
However, it was several weeks prior when it became public knowledge that FCDA CEO Matt Forshee was resigning to take an economic development job with Georgia Power in the Augusta area. FCDA Chairman Randy Hayes, in his resignation letter, would cite Forshee’s exit as a signal that it was a good time for him to resign as well.
 
Rapson said he chiefly blamed Hayes and Forshee for the lack of communication sought by the county back in August 2013.
 
Rapson said no officials think Pinewood pulled a fast one on the county by any means. However, the 20-year property tax break was significant since FCDA’s usual deal in years prior was a 10-year break instead.
 
Rapson also said the county commissioners would have questioned giving a property tax abatement for the former Rivers Elementary School site, since the idea of the school system selling the property was to get the building on the tax digest so it could be providing revenue to the county and the school system.
 
Meanwhile, at Thursday’s meeting of the Peachtree City Council, Councilwoman Kim Learnard criticized Brown, noting that FCDA meetings are open to the public and had he attended those meetings, he would have known about what FCDA was undertaking.
 
Learnard noted that both she and Mayor Vanessa Fleisch were aware of the property tax abatements granted to Pinewood Atlanta Studios, and Brown should have been aware of the bonds as well.
 
“Either our chairman knew about these bonds or he should have known about these bonds,” Learnard said. “I did. Mayor Fleisch did. But then again, we attended meetings and we own telephones.”
 
Brown chalked up Learnard’s criticism to politics, claiming that she is a supporter of one of Brown’s challengers in the May primary, former city Mayor Harold Logsdon.
 
“I’m sorry if she doesn’t like that, but I have a fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of Fayette County and we are not going to tolerate no communication, especially after we made a request to have that level of communication.”
 
Learnard at Thursday’s meeting said the 20-year break was deserved because of the scale of the Pinewood project and how it will be attracting other companies here to serve the movie industry in what Learnard said was comparable to what happened when Kia decided to build an automobile construction plant in Georgia.
 
Learnard cited “conservative projections” that show Pinewood contributing more than $300,000 in revenue for both the county governments and the Fayette County Board of Education by the fifth year of operations. Although Pinewood got a break on property taxes, which will start at 5 percent and increase by that amount each year ... the company will be bringing a significant chunk of sales tax money to the county also, which will not just benefit county governments sharing the 1 percent local option sales tax — but also the school system which benefits from the 1 percent educational special local option sales tax.
 
FCDA CEO Forshee has noted that sales from the Home Depot located on the Pinewood site, which will provide materials for set design among other things for each production, are expected to be significant, as such materials are generally around 30 percent of the cost of a given movie.
 
So for a $100 million movie here, Forshee indicated that the sales tax will provide around $300,000 in sales tax revenue for both the county and cities and another $300,000 for the school system.
 
Learnard took little effort, if any, to mince words in her criticism Thursday.
 
“At this point in time, due to what I can only call a one-man wrecking crew, every Fayette County Development Authority board member with the possible exception of the airport authority seat and the Tyrone seat is now gone,” Learnard said. “Mr. Brown has ushered about 50 years of institutional knowledge out the door. Decades-long relationships with recruiters at the Georgia Department of Economic Development, existing industry and six project teams at the Georgia Department of Economic Development, including corporate headquarters, high-tech, healthcare and more. Those are gone. Those long-standing relationships with the metro Atlanta chamber, real estate brokers, site selection professionals, power companies: gone.”
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Wasn't there a stink about Ross helping her?

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If a d

Then no invite.

Now that the C of C has come out of the closet on the vision, he is just a stooge, like The Tray.

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Something going on with vision?

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Pota is a Democrat

I think I knew that, but just looked it up on the county website. Sample ballots are there to look at, right under the red, white, blue vote button.

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/default.htm

I think they move to the next phase, whatever that is, in May or June. They'll be asking for more money, too. The goal was put out at around 150k, if I remember. They only have less than half so far, from what has been reported.

I just looked them up. A new addition at the end of March. Visioning Expenses Overview PDF at the bottom of the page link below. Collected $94,700., spent $75,388. so far. Ten grand from FCDA. Nothing yet from city, think they have to be a non-profit to collect from city.

http://www.fayettevision.org/get_involved.html

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Watching you two communicate interests me in 2 1/2 men

The TV show, may God forgive me.

May 20 is a primary election Repubs and Dems have it on the same day so whoever supports these dopey candidates and dopey parties can pick one in each party. Might not happen right away as they may have a runoff of the top 2 in July. Then November something - second Tuesday the Dems and the Repubs. have a one on one. Governor, Senator, all that stuff. Here we have Pota vs. Alan for the heavyweight champion of the conjured up black District #5 thanks to the NAACP. Vote for the best candidate or the one with the best track record or the one with the best hair (we did that in PTC for mayor last time) or vote for your favorite skin color, which will please the NAACP.

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Numbers and Perception...

$9,954.73. That's how much one of the parcels of property brought in for Property Taxes in 2007.

http://www.fayettecountytaxcomm.com/PropertyTaxDetails2.aspx?TaxBillNumb...

In 2008, that figure is $8,394.83. In 2009, $8,264.09. In 2010, $7,801.34. In 2011, $7,625.40. In 2012, $7,273.70. In 2013, $7,289.67.

Let's average that out - in the past 7 years, the average taxes paid (total taxes) on that empty parcel were $8086. In 20 years, the total taxes paid, if we assume the average and nothing were to happen with that lot having "rural character" would be $161,725.

So, what do we get since Pinewood is there?

So for a $100 million movie here, Forshee indicated that the sales tax will provide around $300,000 in sales tax revenue for both the county and cities and another $300,000 for the school system.

$144 million is simply an opportunity cost estimate. I don't know about you, but I'll take $300K per year and a bit of new property tax after 5 years versus $161,725 after 20, how about it?

Steve, spend less time standing on the side of the road campaigning and more time understanding business...and math.

Even if they had 20 parcels of the same size and tax impact, $3 million after 20 years is still not as much as $6 million in sales taxes. And they don't have 20 parcels...far less, from what the tax records appear to be.

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I wouldn’t be so quick to

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the calculated $144 million in future property tax.

Your calculation is based on the property tax before the land was developed, isn’t it? Wouldn’t property taxes be higher, now that a movie studio complex has been built on the land?

The expected $300K in sales tax revenue is also questionable. Some of the companies, you expect that revenue to come from, may already have ‘sweetheart sales tax deals’ with the state. I think it’s commonly known as Tax increment financing.

I think you have to scratch a little deeper and see what is behind that $144 million calculation.

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Gort - some additional answers...

Well, you're right on, Gort. Property taxes would be higher. In fact, I have read on the PTC Council minutes (to be approved this Thursday, posted online today) that Kim Learnard recounted the first year's tax impacts...

Matt Forshee, president of the FCDA, noted that Pinewood Studios would pay $89,500 in property taxes and sales taxes and $37,350 in school taxes beginning in 2014.

http://www.peachtree-city.org/documents/2/050114packet_20140425155557776...

Page 7, if you wish...

And you say some "may already have sweetheart sales tax deals with the state." Where are you getting your information, or are you trying to scare folks like Brown seems to be?

Until actual dollars get in, it's all just speculation, but it sure looks like $126,850 beats $10,000 in year one, with more tax revenue coming year after year. Let's also not forget the $300K per movie estimate, questionable or not, is more than nothing you get if the property sits idle. $144 million is, in my opinion, a pipe dream that surely isn't realistic, just like the delusions shared by the Commission Chair.

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Thank you mrobinson. Let's use $162,000 as a club

and hit those over the head with it when they bemoan the $7million lost. Might even hear it at the upcoming political forum. When a certain brownclown or anyone else says $7million, the audience response (like in church) is "$162,000, you dope!!!!

Using your numbers, if they make 3 movies a year that would be $900,000 in vs. $8,000 out (or lost). Actually double that because the school system gets $900,000 as well. I wonder why Rapson and Brown would take such a foolish position so quickly. It seems as if they care more about their personal power and egos than they do about what is best for the county. I expect that from Brown, although showing his butt a month before the election is very poor political judgment. I was a big Rapson fan and still think he's a good county manager, but he needs to shake loose of Brown or else he will be a target for the new broom sweeping into the county. Logsdon and Coston and later Barlow's replacement - new team on deck.

Thanks for the research and supplying facts for our numbers-challenged leader.

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G-Man, I Have No Doubt

that David Barlow really does care about the employees.

Caring about employees has to be tempered with caring about the health and safety of an entire county population.

When citizens turned on their faucets for a drink of water and were presented with a brown, smelly sludge, Steve Brown took immediate action with the water system problems.

The folks in charge of running our water system were found to be lacking in managment abilities and knowledge. Even though some of those folks had been in their positions for many years, they were still lacking in what it took to run the system properly.

G-Man, if you were in charge of the health and safety of our county population, what would you have done in that situation?

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Ready to pounce,,, Chill ginga,

I never stated anything about Brown and the water issue. I have to agree that there was a serious problem and Tony P. should have been fired.

The statement I wrote had nothing to do with the water issue, that is what you think I was referring to it wasn't.

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mrobinson, Responsitility - Exactly

You are so right. The County Administrator is responsible for running the county.

However, the commission is responsible to the citizens. The citizens are the ones who hired the commissioners to represent our interests. Mr. Brown was representing the citizens health and safety issues concerning the brown, smelly water. Had he not represented the citizenry interests in that matter, and had he not been forthcoming with all information concerning the problem, he would have been the first person to take the heat.

Even though we pay the County Administrator's salary, he doesn't directly answer to the taxpayers. The County Commission answers to the taxpayers (voters).

Therefore, there should be a very close working relationship between the County Administrator and the Commission. The Commission Chairman not only represents the citizens, the chairman also represents the rest of the board.

Since the commissioners are elected (hired) by the citizens and are responsible to the citizens, the most expedient way of staying in touch with ALL of the citizens is through the newspapers. In fact the county legal oracle is a newspaper. If the commissioners and chairman are not forthcoming, or should I say cover up information that concerns the health and welfare of those who hired them, they will most certainly be publicly flogged in the newspapers. They will most certainly be accused of non-transparency.

Prime examples of non-transparency in local government were found in some of our former commissions. A former commission chairman said that he had "no intentions of the WFB going past Phase One" of that road. When that statement was investigated, however, it was learned that he was the person who signed the go ahead with Mallett Consulting.

So, what do you want? Do you want to just bury your head in the sand?
Do you want the folks you hire to do the job of representing your interests to cover up what is going on or do you want to be informed?

I realize that you are saying to let the County Administrator do his job, but the commissioners also have a job to do, and that is to represent our interests.

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Representing Our Interests...

can be done without sharing all of the ugliness. We hire them to do a job. They actually can communicate with all of us without a newspaper, and they do so, in the water bill you get each month, if you subscribe to their email list, if you visit their website.

What we get, however, isn't necessarily information - it's spin. Present the facts, and let us (the citizens, those who "hired" the commissioners) to make our decisions. What we get is slant.

Here's a great example of unnecessary editorializing from the Chairman, ripped from the headlines!

Brown chalked up Learnard’s criticism to politics, claiming that she is a supporter of one of Brown’s challengers in the May primary, former city Mayor Harold Logsdon.

“I’m sorry if she doesn’t like that, but I have a fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of Fayette County and we are not going to tolerate no communication, especially after we made a request to have that level of communication.”

Providing accurate and true facts and statistics is fine. For example, state that the Pinewood facility will pay $89,500 in property taxes in year one and bring in an estimated $300,000 in sales taxes, etc.

Stating we lost $7 million a year and we should have had our County Attorney review it "for the best interests of the citizens of Fayette County", as "altruistic" as it may seem, is neither true, necessary nor legally binding. It's not communicating with the citizens, it's pushing an agenda, and it may or may not be the majority opinion of the entire Board of Commissioners.

Our interests are widely varied, too, and the commissioners actions must reflect the good of the entire county, not just those who elected them into office, and that includes the industrial and development community too.

Being forthcoming on personnel matters isn't just foolish, it can often lead to legal issues. Being forthcoming on "secret" development and real estate issues is a recipe for losing business. Take, for example, the AJC's "investigation" into having NCR move it's HQ to Atlanta. The paper isn't necessarily looking out for the best interests of NCR, or Atlanta, by publishing "secret memos" and "hidden emails"; they're serving their masters - advertisers and subscribers. It doesn't mean it's right.

So, to sum it up, in 2014, the County doesn't need this newspaper to tell its story. Actually, it never really needed it, and the story that gets reported often isn't strictly factual. It's skewed to tell the story that gets us to read it and visit the newspaper's advertisers.

You can be informed without the newspaper - heck, you do it now by attending the meetings.

And the issue all along I've had with the incumbent is simple:

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

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Responsibility...

Hope you don't mind if I cut in here!

I agree that when the water system issues came up, action was needed.

Brown's actions, however, included publicly ostracizing the water system management and attempting to overstep his authority instead of working with the County management properly.

Brown, alone, is not in charge of the health and safety of the county population. What would I have done? Get the County Manager involved, maintain to the public that the water is safe to drink and we are taking all steps to find and resolve the issue, and let the professionals do their job. When they are found to not do their job, I would let the manager do his job. I wouldn't place blame or attempt to explain why, especially not in the newspaper or on TV. It's not hiding anything...sometimes, decorum is more important than the artificial "transparency" the incumbent touts from his pulpit.

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Mr. Robinson - water

Let's just discuss water.

For weeks, people were complaining about the dirty, smelly water. While the county attempted to supply an answer, hundreds of people, myself included, were calling the commissioners to complain. The county administrator and commission differed to the "water professional" we had on staff. This did not work and made both look like fools. The ole coot, a long time county employee, didn't know poop and hadn't been doing his job for a long, long time.

I am one of hundreds who contacted commission and told them they better do something and fast. Ognio, Oddo, and McCarty never did anything, return calls, or emails. Barlow was citing something about being a religious warrior and he would defend staff because the water guy was a long term employee and a good Christian. After weeks of this fiasco, I'm glad Brown took the bulls by the horn and we discovered our long term employee wasn't competent to do his job. Brown was absolutely right in wanting the guy fired. He would have been had it been a private firm.

The water report should be coming out soon. My bet is on Brown using this to his advantage before the May primary.

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Private Firms and Boards of Directors

Let me make sure I'm clear - the "professionals" I was referring to were not the water staff...it was the County Manager once it was determined the Water system management didn't prove to be competent.

Now, let's use your private business analogy, and relate it to the County Government.

The Board of Commissioners is the Board of Directors. We, the citizens, are the stockholders. The County Manager is the CEO. The Chairman of the Board of Directors, in name only if you really understand the charter, is the Commission chair.

A stockholder is certainly within his right to contact the Board of Directors to report what they believe is an issue with the operation of the business. The Chairman of the Board, however, doesn't go out on Bloomberg Television and ask that the VP of one of the divisions be fired (or maybe I'm missing it). He may believe it, and he can certainly tell the CEO that, but he doesn't undermine the operation by putting himself ahead of the rest of the board, the CEO and the appropriate process.

Again, my beef isn't solely the content of any positions taken, it's the use of the "bully pulpit" to pander to the electorate instead of handling matters professionally (and understanding how business actually works). The incumbent can be right all day long, and because of how he treats people and "communicates", no one has confidence or trust in what he does, rendering him the hallmark of ineffective management.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

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Diplomacy

Certainly there's a time for diplomacy. In fact it should be most of the time. But this situation called for a quick resolution that just wasn't happening. Regarding the water issue, I am glad someone took charge and had an opinion.

I understand you have hands on experience with the man, that trumps my limited exposure. Sometimes, however, as a boss, you have no choice but to play the bad guy to accomplish a goal. (See herb brooks)

As for pandering, we all do it. Politicians for votes, workers for raises, husbands for more nookie, wives for more shoes, Barlow for god, FC politicians waving from a busy street, as we all laugh at the fools with fake smiles.

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Bring out the broom: Karma has a way of equalizing things

I agree RWM about Rapson being a good county manager when it comes to numbers but from what we are hearing through the employees in several department he is flawed in the selection of hiring several county employees. There will be a large turnover in the employee base that have been with the county for 15 plus years because of the lack of loyalty from Rapson with Browns urging. We have a feeling this is the result of the alleged hit list that Brown had when he gained his power last year.

Brown is still driving the bus from behind closed doors and he won't be happy until he gets HIS people in place or good hard working employees removed from their title, regardless of who's career he or they ruin. The other four commissioners are oblivious to what is going on in Fayette County. I think the only one that would care about any of this is Barlow. He really does care about the employees.

I understand there are several personnel issues in public works, IS, water dept. and within the ranks of Rapson's leadership team. Several have stated they are always looking over their shoulders due to the lack of trust.

If you follow the trail it all seems to lead back to Stevie Brown. Maybe once they get Logsdon in place the citizens and employees can get some respect.

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G-Man, educate me please

I researched Logsdons website and past articles in the Citizen concerning Logsdon term as Mayor. His education, military and business career is impressive. His term as mayor does not seem as anything spectacular. What distinguishes him from the other two candidates?

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You just answered your own question. You said, "I researched Logsdons website and past articles in the Citizen concerning Logsdon term as Mayor. His education, military and business career is impressive. His term as mayor does not seem as anything spectacular. What distinguishes him from the other two candidates?

I have to ask you what are you judging in a person. I would think that his personal life and his accomplishment as you stated are impressive and would be a good start in establishing a council that is for the citizens and not for the egomaniac self serving politician.

Now for the Mayor part; I ask you what did he do wrong? Research the other two candidates and then lay it out. You will have answered part two of your question.

Morals, integrity, lack of the ultra ego, leadership. I can't seem to find those impressive qualifications under the definition of Brown and Haddix.

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mrobinson, Seeking Headlines?

As I remember the last election, Harold Logsdon publicly appeared in former chairman Jack Smith's campaign ads. I would call that "seeking headlines."

Jack Smith practiced deficit spending year after year.

Why, in the world, would Mr. Logsdon support someone who was constantly putting the county at risk with deficit budgeting?

Steve Brown campaigned on financial accountability and kept that promise.

Harold Logsdon campaigned on financial accountability, when he ran for mayor in Peachtree City, and did not keep that promise. He just looked the other way.

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You're not making the point you think you're making!

Ads are not headlines. Supporting a candidate is not the same as manufacturing manure via letters to the editor, blog postings, "press releases" that refer to the author in the third person, and media interviews that simply prove the incumbent spends more time promoting his agenda and perceived authority versus obtaining facts and understanding professional behavior.

Jack Smith didn't run the entire County's budget, in the same manner Steve Brown doesn't run the entire County's budget. There is a majority of Commissioners that approves these things - that's how the process works.

Unless you're aware of some magic powers the Commission Chair gets to set tax rates and collect them, and budget for operations independently, I believe you are trying to confuse the issue. Thanks for trying, though.

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What distinguishes Logsdon...in my opinion...

...is he is not seeking headlines, like one of the candidates for that post, and he is not incapable of building consensus without alienating others, like, well, both of the other candidates.

I don't want a commissioner to be spectacular. I want a commissioner to make sure the roads are safe and smooth to travel, that when I have an emergency I get help in a timely fashion, and to make sure that services that promote health, safety and welfare are available to all of those in the County who need them. I want them to be conscientious when budgeting the collection and use of County funds, and I want them to ensure that the culture of government is to provide the best possible atmosphere to keep the County and its citizens, safe, secure and productive.

I don't need to see a self-promoting journalist-wannabe try to build his resume for future office under the guise of "helping the people" and "giving the citizens a voice". I don't need to see an otherwise altruistic former elected official who could not handle himself under duress.

As for me, I'll choose the third option.

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mrobinson_ptc, Just In Case You Aren't Aware

You have mentioned quite a few attributes you want in a commissioner.

You said that you "want them to be conscientious when budgeting."

Just in case you aren't aware of this, in a year's time Chairman Steve Brown and the new 2013 Board of Commissioners balanced the Fayette County budget and ended many, many years of deficit spending. Also, there will be a surplus at the end of the fiscal year.

However, Harold Logsdon engaged in deficit spending every year that he prepared a budget as Mayor of Peachtree City.

In addition from what I've seen, Mr. Logsdon hasn't shown enough interest in being a commissioner to attend the BOC meetings or retreat. To my way of thinking, that's like wanting to do the job while wearing white gloves.

"Not seeking headlines," just stating some facts.

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Mayor Logsdon did not prepare the budgets of Peachtree City. He was one of five who voted on them. Budgets are prepared by the City Manager and the management staff. Council comes back and works with staff to get the budget to a point they will support it. So, Logsdon, like Brown, didn't do anything on his own.

Mr. Logsdon "hasn't shown enough interest" to attend BOC meetings or retreats, according to you. Is that a requirement for running for office? He could watch the meetings as they happen on the Internet or cable channel (and that's a good thing), read the agendas and minutes, and discuss issues with constituents outside of the business meetings that you haven't seen him at. I guess if you don't attend meetings, based on your assertion, you have no position to expect to be involved in any decisions, much like Mr. Brown and the FCDA :)

I'm thrilled your sphere of influence ends where it matters most - since you will not be able to vote for your friend. I live in the district, and I will proudly vote for the person I think makes the best choice, and it won't be the incumbent.

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What is "just plain sad" is that you and Ms. Learnard have to resort to calling other folks names.

On a positive note, I am extremely happy to see that Pat Hinchey is one of the new FCDA members. We could not ask for anyone better.

We are very fortunate in Fayette County to have a wealth of highly qualified and intelligent citizens to serve on the various boards.

Ms. Learnard said that the tax break was "deserved." I would like to know if she and Mr. Logsdon have polled the tax payers of Fayette County to get their opinions.

Ms. Learnard stated that 50 years of institutional knowledge has been ushered out the door. To my thinking, when the FCDA was not forthcoming with the abatement information in August 2013, that board was showing a complete lack of cooperation with the Fayette Commission and a complete lack of consideration for Fayette tax payers. We deserved to know.

I dare say, that lack of communication was based upon politics. The Fayette tax payers should not have to put up with political strategizing from an opposing faction. The Fayette tax payers deserve a new FCDA.

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Let's hear it for district voting!

Two less votes for our man Steve...

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Brown got exactly what he wished for with district voting

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/26339

Oh...he changed his mind and has tried to do a complete 180 since writing this diatribe? Sort of like changing his mind over and over on TDK or Westside Annexation? That's our pal, Steve, willing to sacrifice any principles if he thinks he might not get elected otherwise and stomped into a mud-pit like he did by Logsdon and Ramsey.

Steve Brown...Profiles in Lack of Courage or Conviction, airing tomorrow night at 9pm.

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FCDA ignores Commissioners' request

Here the Fayette County Commissioners are being blamed for a condition under which the State of Georgia has virtually given the Fayette County Development Authority (FCDA) the keys to the Fayette tax office.

In order to keep the public informed, the Fayette County Administrator and Commissioners requested that the FCDA advise them of any proposed tax abatements prior to the FCDA approving those abatements.

Instead of communicating with the County Administrator the FCDA, itself, approved a twenty year tax abatement for Pinewood.

It is interesting to note that once this was accomplished, the FCDA members abandoned ship, leaving the commissioners to face political fallout. Georgia law does not compel the FCDA to notify or seek approval of the commissioners for tax abatement purposes. Therefore, the commissioners are in no way fiscally responsible for what the FCDA has done.

One commissioner told me that, had the FCDA honored the administrator's request of giving heads up to the commissioners, they could have notified the public what was really happening. Instead, the FCDA elected not to notify the county commissioners or the administrator.

Bottom line, the commissioners understood the problem because they made an effort to work with the FCDA for keeping their constituents informed. Rather than cooperate, which would have been in the best interest of the public, the FCDA got the job done then hastily jumped out of the Fayette public arena.

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FCDA Funding??

Uhhh....let's see, the Board Of Commissioners of this county allocate $250,000. of all tax dollars in this county to fund FCDA. ALL tax dollars.

Of that $250,000., 33% of that money ($82,500.) comes from PTC tax dollars alone.

Then, additionally, PTC tax dollars ALSO, and independent from that money above, pay $75,000. to fund Emily Poole's staff position.

For anyone to come on here and say FCDA is not accountable to the BOC or any other government in this county, then I say strip the funding above. Take it away. Then they can make any tax deal they want and no one can say a word. See what they accomplish without our tax dollars. (Do I hear the not so long ago whispers of PCDA??????)

N-E-V-E-R should any entity that is given tax dollars to spend think they are above reporting their actions to those taxpayers who provided those tax dollars.

Learnard & Fleisch also knew about this and approved of it by thinking it is okay to not let anyone know about the school deal. My, my, my.

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The FCDA needs to report to the BOC every month. No report, no paycheck next month.

At least Cobb County's DA had the professionalism to report on the bond and abatements up front. FCDA purposely hid this fact and quietly filed this during Christmas time when many people take vacations.

Granted the BOC and County Administrator should have been more heavy handed with the DA, but if they called and the calls were not returned, that's telling me something about the character of the people at the FCDA, especially when they claim the tax abatements are standard operating procedure.

DTA - don't trust anyone

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Forget that county attorney sign-off

"Though Georgia law does not require the FCDA to give the county say-so over its bond and tax abatement power, the document review was necessary, Brown said, “so our county attorney could make sure they were in the best interest of the citizens of Fayette County.”

It's not necessary whatsoever legally and they(FCDA) obviously didn't want to extend a courtesy to you because of your grandstanding, loudmouth ways that embarrass anything that PTC or now FC is trying to do, and I don't blame them a bit.

Whatever the county attorney has to say on this issue is totally meaningless and has zero legal weight, so why include the county attorney at all? Oh wait, you missed a chance to grandstand on the issue....got it now.

P.S. Looks like Fayetteville made a very wise decision to retain their own FD and ignore your efforts of empire-building. Congrats to all the Fayetteville citizens and FD for holding their Council's feet to the fire on this issue. It would have been incredibly dumb to consolidate and Mayor Clifton was totally out in orbit on this issue.

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Steve Brown: sad, just plain sad

What an egomaniacal imbecile. He's the chairman of the county commission, knows all about this development, but didn't specifically inquire about tax breaks?

It was his job to know, and if he wasn't told, it was his job to ASK.

He didn't. That's his fault, and regardless of any shortcomings by the authority, he should be held accountable as well. If the mayor of PTC and a council member there can learn about the tax breaks, why didn't he? Couldn't be because he's working another job - he doesn't have one and never has.

Steve Brown has been a disgrace for the southside for too many years. As a career faux politician/gadfly, he has repeatedly embarrassed Peachtree City and Fayette County with a horrifying combination of arrogance and ignorance.

The Pinewood deal is clearly a win for Fayette County, tax breaks or not. Thank goodness Mr.Brown couldn't screw it up.

Let's pray voters do the right thing and show this clown the door once and for all.

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Bigger than just arrogance and ignorance - Its Leadership

Specifically lack of leadership or non-existent leadership. Poor or missing leadership is not as simple as some think. On the surface a poor leader either micromanages or dithers around doing nothing ala Jimmy Carter and nothing really gets done. A far bigger concern is what the serious people in an organization do when they see their leader mentally AWOL and they are forced to function without leadership guidelines or team-oriented goals because of mission or external events. One simple example is overreaction or correction like city council did to Haddix about the $12k. Those were fairly normal people pushed to a wrongheaded decision simply because they felt they had to do something.

Anyone who has been in the military has probably seen ineffective or just plain bad leaders, Consequences there are very serious.

Another example is Lois Lerner. Prezbo didn't call her up and instruct her to go after the "Teabaggers" to use his phrase. Neither did Valerie Jarrett, although she probably thought about it. No, poor old Lois 30 years in at the IRS was given no leadership, no moral compass, no example to follow, no ethical boundaries - all things a good leader provides. She just went and did what she thought should be done after listening to BO's rhetoric. Bad move.

In our own local drama, the group that put this Pinewood deal together knew from the outset that Brown would call up Dorky Doug and get his face on Channel 5 spilling the beans and taking credit, so secrecy from the beginning was what they chose. Then they were probably coming close to the ethical line when they didn't respond to Rapson's request. They did so because they were being led by the mission instead of having a true leader on county commission. This is an example of good people acting badly or perhaps in fear of what crazy thing the "leader" would do. Same thing happened when Brown was mayor of PTC. His anti-growth agenda was the only thing he led on and he was shunned, avoided and bypassed. Those that did this were punished severely by Brown. I assure you when Herb Frady and Fred (the real mayor) Brown and Bob Lenox were in office, they were called first on economic development deals - no hesitation. You also knew where they stood on major issues - and it never changed throughout their multiple terms in office. Brown only had 1 short term in office and he changed his positions more than he changed his socks. Professionals in government or any organization don't like that - they expect consistency.

Back to the military, the reason the Army and probably the other service branches can survive with bad officers sometimes is because they have superior non-coms who actually run everything. That allows good leaders/officers to excel and the bad ones to just go away. Bye, Mr. Brown. Thank you for your service. We'll have a parade for you, July 4 - promise. Go home.

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Right on, right on, right on. From hubby who is computer-free

Or a luddite. But he's my cute little luddite.

Anyhow, he tells me during his time under Steve Brown, there was nothing resembling leadership, it was all about him and his ego. He really thought he was in charge of running a city that had run without him for almost 50 years. Brown's disdain for the old school founders and the real leaders upset hubby a lot and he expressed his opinion about how important the old guard was - especially Tom Farr. Then hubby quit or was fired or reassigned - not clear on that. I do know he lost his job, we had 9 months of no income, our son had to drop karate and soccer and I had to work at at a real estate company to pay the mortgage. Thanks Steve Brown. Hope your wife was able to cover your expenses without taking on an extra job.

No wonder hubby got on board with DirectPAC and forced that fool out of office. Time has come to do it again.

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H&F Blinders but not blind

Hi H&F

I have to disagree somewhat here. The word fiduciary was thrown around like a beachball at a concert where everyone touches it but no one catches it.

1. Brown and Rapson had a fiduciary duty not to just send an email but to know what was going on. I would presume that if Vanessa and Kim could find the open meetings so could Brown and Rapson. I agree they should have had a clue but they own the responsibility to hunt down the answers.

2. I keep seeing the comment that the lawyer needed to see if it were a good deal for Fayette. This is where I keep seeing a problem from PTC. Fayette County, and FCBOE. If this is a financial issue where are the FINANCE people. At some point we need to get better at this.

3. You and I both have commented on Comissioner Brown's growth in maturity during his term, well that just went boom and I do blame politics. He is again staking out the man of the people ground regardless of what it does to the future of Fayette County and its reputation. This could have been handled better to change the process but not send a less than professional message to future development.

4. The comment regarding the Chairman and the Mayor giving interviews saying the deal was special because there were no tax abatements is a big sign EVERYONE could do better.

FCDA - Once they saw the first interview they needed to contact all parties and make sure everyone is clear yes this is business as usual.

Chairman and Mayor - Communications 101 when you make a statement that there were no abatements when there usualy are you triple check before you say a word. If it sounds unusal it usually is wrong.

St. Pinewood - The only fault I will give to our new friends who did nothing wrong, is when they saw and participated in interviews saying no abatements. Get everybody in the same room and ask question.

But end of the day it is politics it is a shame we must sully out county's achievment for the ego of one man. Just wait until we find out the Visioning Crew did not consult with the Commission.

Take Care,

Neil

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Neil, it is a shame

The county administrator and commission asked for the information and were not provided it. They should only have to ask other professionals once. If the tax abatement was normal business, then so be it. 20 years is a long time with technology changing.

SB was never wanted at the FCDA meetings. However one the 5 commissioners should always attend. I still can't find a listing of the meetings or the minutes. I can understand some of it is confidential, but they need to do a better job communicating.

FCDA obviously had no respect for commission or the BOE when they failed to advise them on the sly about the tax abatements. We get on both regarding their budgets and I would assume both are now having to revisit their anticipated income.

We haven't heard from 4 commissioners or the BOE. Personally, I would like to hear what they have to say.

This whole thing is nothing but political payback and childish play. Learnard showed her true colors.

The chairman of the vision crew is extremely tight with the present commission and I believe he was appointed chair for just this reason.

It's a real shame that politics gets in the way of doing the right thing.

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H&F- SNAFU Politics

I think we are on one big Gerbil wheel here. IF FCDA held a meeting and said by the way we are going to give a 20 yr tax abatement worth X before the deal, we would have had the grandstanding and mud fight we got going, or atleast that is likely the thinking of FCDA. That is the problem.

We need leaders who can do our business in a professional way in a discreet manner. Rapson admits the deal was likely to be approved. As someone who has made school finances a personal mission I am concerned that FCDA can give away school tax dollars that we so desparately need. But I also know food fights like this do not attract quality employers.

I would rather hear about solutions and growth from our leaders and not the blamestorming and personal attacks which seem to be necessary for a Fayette County Politician.

End of the day Pinewood great right now. Likely to change over time. But lets take that time to leverage this opportunity into the next. We already have the captive Depot Store, next Principal Evans and his team are creating a number of exciting options for students at Sandy Creek in concert with Pinewood, we have significant universities opening extension programs at Pinewood/ Fayette. A $144M is a steep investment, now lets get our return because it will not just come to us.

BTW, I used SNAFU on an email to a colleague in Europe. They looked up the definition which I did not. But it applies here I think.

Take Care

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Open Communication not everyone's goal on this one

I think the lack of communication was deliberate without being misleading because the FCDA knew how huge this deal was and they didn't want an uninvolved politician releasing information prematurely or saying inappropriate things. I also think Matt Forshee knew he would be on the hot seat big time, but he did the honorable thing which was to finalize the deal and get out of dodge. He deserves a huge thank you for getting the deal done and keeping the political dimwits out of it. Don't forget, this thing was really put together at first by Jim Pace with a location in PTC at the airport in 2013 and you remember who was mayor back then, so secrecy was real important from the beginning and I'm sure that was foremost in everyone's mind.

Having gadflies and egomaniacs serve in elected office is somewhat amusing - especially when discussing leash laws and walking signs, but when serious business such as economic development is on the table, it is better to leave that to the professional, the specialists and the adults.

I do think the new county commission will be fine with Pota Coston and Harold Logsdon and I'd like to see Paul Oddo as chairperson. Then will have a calm, mature multi-gender governing body, the same as we now have in Peachtree City.

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"gadflies and egomaniacs" Mudcat

You are absolutely correct Mudcat, the FCDA knew exactly what would happen if our "gadflies and egomaniacs" found out about the deal.

The fact that we now have an engine of economic importance to the county seems to get lost in all the hyperbole surrounding the missing in action commission. In this case their incompetence helped. The simple economics of it all means that our county as well as Atlanta and Georgia have a new industry. All of it driven by the tax considerations, meaning lower taxes relative to other locations. Thank you State of Georgia!

There is a theory in economics advocated by Keynes, this is called the "K Multiplier". It suggests that as government spends money on things that economic activities are multiplied and fuel economic activity. This theory is false and has been proven time an time again not to work for a number of reasons. However, the opposite of this theory is allowing people and corporations to keep their money and spend it where they like and where it benefits them the most. Capital like any other resource is limited, when government crowds out capital through taxing authority, capital flows somewhere else. In this case, what happens if our Fayette taxes are higher than an alternative location? That's right Pinewood would be located in somewhere else!

I think we owe the members of the FCDA a big thank you for not getting politicians or political hacks involved in this. We didn't lose money, we gained an entire industry and with it an engine that will fuel our local economy. Now if we can just keep the commission out of taxing everything that moves, we'll be lucky. As far as the school system is concerned, it will benefit from rising property values.

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Right on, PTCO, right on

We won big time with the Pinewood deal thanks to Pace, Forshee, Hayes and others. The petty little dips that have their nose out of joint because they couldn't get face time in front of a TV camera need to just go away. Brown especially needs to go away and fortunately he will because of the upcoming election and even district voting. I believe the new leadership in the county, PTC and Fayetteville will use the Pinewood deal to propel us into future prosperity. Not at all unhappy that Brown and Haddix are off the train. It really annoys me that I can't vote Brown out because he is not in my district. But others will, I trust.

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Mudcat

Oddo is an accountant and a commissioner who failed in this discovery too. And you think he should be chair? Each of the 5 claim to have a brain of their own. The only one with an excuse is Barlow, since he's no financial wizard.

All 5 commissioners have culpability here.

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H&F/Oddo

Paul Oddo is NOT a commissioner; he is indeed a CPA and on F'ville City Council. His Brother, Charles, is the commissioner and is not a CPA.

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I stand corrected

Should have known an office manager wouldn't have known to ask the question.

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H&F and Correction

And I should have known that you will persist in criticizing County Commissioners at all opportunity!

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AHG - change my mind

Tell me one initiative he has undertaken?

Advise me of any successes he has had as an individual

I will admit he is very polite.

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No failure, no culpability for anyone except the whiners

It was a good deal for Fayette County and it is now in Fayetteville. Tax breaks are the norm. I didn't hear a peep out of any of the other commissioners or anyone from Fayetteville for that matter. Only Brown and Rapson are crying like stuck pigs trying to shift blame from themselves.

Simple facts:
1. FCDA did not do anything illegal
2. No requirement to have county lawyer review anything
3. No need for Brown to give media interviews as he had nothing to do with Pinewood - Thank God.
4. No need for Brown to disseminate incorrect information about lack of tax abatements in his media interviews
5. Probably he and Rapson should have known about all this either because it is their job to know or they could have easily attended the same meeting Kim and Vanessa did.
6. Not knowing about the tax deal is not a big sin. They could have said nothing or just calmly say "We didn't know". No need to accelerate by pretending they had to be in charge and blaming FCDA for being secret
7. Certainly no need to purge the FCDA - if that is what they actually did - no real proof they did.

So Husband, I have no quarrel with Oddo or the others. I have no way of knowing whether they knew about the tax deal or not, whether they went to the meetings or not or read the relevant documents or not. All I know is they didn't attack Randy and Matt publicly and inappropriately.

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Mudkitty & "No failure"

All good points!

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True. Attacking Randy and Matt was the real mistake

Bonehead play for sure. Rapson even says that the tax deal would have been approved. Everybody knows the "county attorney needs to check it" is a scam.

You look at the actual property tax numbers vs. the sales tax projections helpfully provided by mrobinsonptc, it is such a no brainer that even Davids Mom couldn't object to it.

All this posturing over power and ego. Bad timing Mr. Brown. You have fulfilled our expectations.

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Ms. Learnard, Drama Queen?

Decades of relationships? Really?

Has anyone been on the GA state dept of economic development website? Commissioner Carr has been on the job for less than a year. The CEO and COO since 2010.

Yep, decades of relationships.

There is constant turnover, especially at the state level.

Decades Ms. Learnard? Really? Aren't you being overly dramatic?

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Now the truth comes out.

“The development authority didn’t tell us they were doing any tax abatements,” Rapson said, noting that Brown and Fayetteville Mayor Greg Clifton gave a number of media interviews touting the Pinewood project and how it was unique because no property tax breaks were necessary to attract the studios here.

Rapson said the fault doesn’t lie with most of the outgoing FCDA board members, but he does feel the outgoing CEO Forshee and the resigned FCDA Chair, Randy Hayes, are responsible for not informing the county of the property tax abatement.

Now it all makes sense why the members and Foshee are exiting. Their deal uncovered, their lack of openness to the county. Not unexpected from that bunch. One of the MAIN REASONS development authorities attract business is to enhance the tax digest. Hmmm... Oh. Unless things have changed drastically over the last few years, the FCDA meetings rarely if ever had any public guests at proceedings... So Robert W. Morgan. Not sure where you got that factoid, but I have a little insight there.

OK.. Not uncommon to provide tax incentives for development, but they darn sure should be on the table. I guess we are lucky they didn't choose to start their business in N.Y. Ha Ha... who in their right mind would do that indeed!

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Key to kerfufle

This quote pretty much explains it - "noting that Brown and Fayetteville Mayor Greg Clifton gave a number of media interviews touting the Pinewood project and how it was unique because no property tax breaks were necessary to attract the studios here."

Solution to problem - Don't give media interviews! Or if you must, please assume that somebody might have attended the very open FCDA meetings and talk to them or read the minutes. Might be relevant to the county you are trying to lead. Or maybe reading legal notices would help. See below:

"The documents were approved in open court in December by Fayette County Chief Superior Court Judge Christopher C. Edwards and advertised in the county legal organ."

Note to Mr. $150k, the county manager, perhaps somewhere in your job description or in that of one of your many subordinates is a task that involves collecting information that may have a profound impact on the county you are supposedly managing. Going out of the system to make a request from a separate legal entity didn't produce any results, but reading the minutes of the DAPC meeting or the legal notices might have helped. And then once you have the information, giving it to all commissioners would seem a good CYA step.

Sorry you were caught flapping your gums about something you knew nothing about, Mr. Brown, but fortunately you have previously provided a perfect solution to your problem - the same one you recommended for Tony Parrott when he was caught misspeaking in the media after neglecting his day to day responsibilities. Remember that?

Whether or not you had a role in forcing Forshee and Hayes off the board, you are not fit to be chairman of anything really, and certainly not Peachtree City's representative on county commission. Unfit to serve.

Time for John D. to print up some more t-shirts
B.U.C.C.
Brown Unfit for County Commission
Not as snappy as B.U.M.
Brown Unfit for Mayor - that he did 10 years ago when Brown needed a shove out the door (by Logsdon, as I recall) but still workable.

And a final quote from Cal's very fine, albeit lengthy article "
Though Georgia law does not require the FCDA to give the county say-so over its bond and tax abatement power, the document review was necessary, Brown said, “so our county attorney could make sure they were in the best interest of the citizens of Fayette County.”

No one with room temperature IQ believes that review by the county attorney would be the sole action taken with that info. As previously noted our media happy chairperson loves to comment on many things. I suspect the Forshee/Hayes/Pace/Foley/Gibbs/Cathy cabal really wanted to avoid amateur political grandstanding with the most important economic development deal to come along in decades. FCDA and all development authorities are not operating under the thumb of locally elected politicians - with good reason, much of which is shown by what Brown and Rapson and sadly, even Kim had to say.

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You've got blinders on

Your hatred of Mr. Brown is blinding your rationale.

The county is losing $7m a year in property tax for an unprecedented 20 years.

We sold a school at a discount believing that it would be placed on the tax digest.

Documents approved in December, when everyone is busy for Christmas? Kind of a sleazy move.

Do you even think the film industry will have the same needs in 10 years as technology advances?

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We are not losing something we never had

Almost everybody (except Rapson and Brown) knows that a deal of this size is not going to happen without some tax incentives. Very commonplace. Pace sure knows that. Pinewood may or may not know that, but they don't own the property, Pace, Cathy and others do.

Without the tax deal, no Pinewood and we are back to some vacant land on the road to nowhere. Who then pays the $7million in taxes - 3 or 4 farmers? Real estate developers who build houses the market is not ready for? Nothing doing. That land was never destined to generate anywhere near $7million in taxes without the Pinewood deal.

Now 20 years is a long time - State of NY only gives away 10 years, but to your point about will they be making movies the same way or at all in 20 years - of course not. This thing is good for 6 or 7 years at the most and then the land will be repurposed. Of course by then the landowners will have received much more in rental payments than they actually paid for the land so they will have financial flexibility to accomplish a repurposing, so I guess that's good news.

I restate my earlier caution to the wise men on Fayetteville City Council - be very careful what you approve on the surrounding land under the guise of supporting the Pinewood enterprise as that stuff will be there long after Pinewood is gone.

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Your last paragraph...

No doubt the truth.

And I agree, you can't lose revenue you never had. I think overall this will be a win for Fayette...time will tell. Until proven otherwise, I am staying positive about it.

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Yes spyguy, and the other paragraphs were pretty good too

Got a lot of feelings about an overreaching government and would like it to stop.

Brown and his dwindelling army of clowns need to just go away and let someone more mature run the show. After all, we are all getting older, do we not deserve some maturity in our leadership? I mean don't go all Harry Reid here, but Logsdon would be a good choice. Doncha think?

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Mr. Brown

I saw Mr. Brown and his wife on the side of the road today, pitching Elect Brown signs and waving.

Wanted Chief Executive of Fayette County - Should understand the organization of the County Government and its limits of authority, recruit talented and experienced staff to serve the citizens. Stay informed of any and all actions by other authorities that could have an impact on the citizens and bring to the attention of other commissioners these actions. Work cooperatively with local governments to serve the interests of the county citizen. Should demonstrate leadership skills and decorum necessary to catalyze the economic expansion of the county.

Waving back at you Mr. Brown.

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borntorun

Is it demeaning to call other folks names?

I assume you think it isn't demeaning to pay to have one's picture published in the paper, saying "vote for me."

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May I answer ginga1414?

I would agree that name calling is without merit.

Placing an ad in a newspaper to promote your position at your own expense and without expectation of some sort of return to you personally, is public service.

I would further argue that an ad in a newspaper that is supported by donations of citizens, with their names published, that support a candidate and the reasons why they support a candidate, if far superior to the first type of ad.

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On This We Agree PTCO

I saw The Brown Clown too yesterday morning waivin' and grinnin'. Is this something unique to Fayette County? I don't see it in other places but granted it may go on. Do people really vote for someone because they saw them on the side of the road? Personally I find it demeaning to the office that person is seeking whether it be county commissioner, mayor or dog catcher.

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Ushering out the old

Isn't that a good thing, Councilor? I mean, you can't have it both ways. You cleaned house when you came on board, with your 3-2.

You, last week, have put PTC on notice that there will be no more housing for the onslaught of boomer retirees in your lifetime. You don't want 'em, you won't house 'em. Those same retirees who you just touted all over the place while you needed their votes.

You are tripping over yourself and multiple govt. agencies you have no authority over by publicly denouncing a legal issue of which you have no authority over, unless you run the BOC and the BOE, too, in your spare time.

And now, you are saying a fresh look, a new set of eyes, a younger approach to future plans for this county, not PTC, but for this county, is a bad thing?

Or is this really a point person for a few good old boys for Harry Logsdon ramping up the election trash talk? My, what a tangled web you have woven for yourself. Don't get stuck in it.

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Would be po'd if this happened to them. We don't like it when our kids hide things from us. And at work you get fired for hiding problems or lieing to your supervisor. I don't care if the FCDA doesn't like anyone on commission or the county administrator, they purposely lied and / or withheld the truth.

The FCDA should have provided the county administrator the information right away. Commission and the BOE are losing a lot of money and every citizen should be mad that the wool was pulled over our eyes by our own.

And Learnard showed no class getting involved. But I'm sure she won't have any problem with others lieing to her in the future. She might even owe stumpy an apology too, lol.

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