Gas prices and lines of cars at elementary schools don’t mix well

I am a senior citizen and I haven’t been to a school since my children graduated. I now have grandchildren and one of my children moved back home with a 10-year-old child.

On Monday he got sick at school and couldn’t ride the bus home, so Grandma went to pick him up at school just when school at Cleveland Elementary was letting children out for the day.

Let me express shock and dismay: Well over a hundred cars lined up to pick up children. Teachers out front of the school calling out numbers for non-bus riders to be picked up in front of the school; each car has a number in the window.

Is this world full of people who have the brains of an ant? We have a shortage of gas, thus the price of gas is out of sight. One would think anyone with the ability to reason would let their child ride the schoolbus that comes in front of their home.

You pay taxes for schoolbuses and gas for buses, salary for people who drive the buses, salary for people who work on the schoolbuses, and on and on.

These are the same people who line up to buy a hamburger and french fries for an already overweight child, the same people who voted for a community organizer for President of the greatest country in the world, and they line up like following a Judas goat to the slaughter, in a line, hundreds of them waiting for their children who are too good to ride a schoolbus.

Multiply that by hundreds of schools all over the state of Georgia and you will quickly understand why “all” of us are paying a high price for gas simply because parents refuse to let their child ride the schoolbus, helping to promote a shortage of gas.

Reminds me of a song, “I know I have seen everything when I see an elephant fly.” That is the only thing left for this old lady to see. I know I have just about seen everything and today is at the top of the list.

LeGay Saul

Fayette County, Ga.

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kids moms picking them up after school

This comment is for the BRAVES fan, wow you are the perfect example of people for voted for the community organizer, words are not necessary just look at the picture you posted, thanks so much you proved my point in a way words never could. Thanks again

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Ma'am ~ There is no gas shortage in this country. Let's get that out on the table right away.

The cars you see in front of the schools are a direct result of the reality that today's families require 2 working parents to make ends meet, thus many children cannot ride bus to and from school at scheduled times.

As far as your "community organizer" comment. You better be darn glad we do have someone as intelligent as the current "community organizer" to help reverse the damage that 8 solid years of George W. Bush and Dasterdly Dick Cheney did to this once great country.

Don't think people forgot.

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Braves Fan - LOL

LOL

I think you should stop watching baseball and take a civics lesson. The president can't do sqwat without the Congress.

The Congress works for us, right? So, I guess we have ourselves to blame.

Go Braves!

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Bus service was taken away

What about those of us whose bus service was taken away? I watched the elementary school bus go by my house for 14 years before I had a child ready to ride it -- that year, it was decided to enforce the law that bans bus service within a certain distance to the school. Let the lazy brat walk to school, you say? Sure, if there was a safe way to do it. Dark paths, 40 lb backpack, musical instrument, practice after school ... If I choose to drive my child to school, well, it is my right to do so.

I'm sure there are some "entitled" kids getting driven just because they don't want to ride the bus. But you don't know everyone's story. Don't condemn them all in one judgmental swoop.

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How close is too close?

I live VERY close to an elementary school in PTC and the bus stops on our street.

That said, the thing my Son talks about the most about living here is his ability to ride his bike/walk to school as much as he did.

I miss those days...he's now off at College.

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No facts

First we are not paying the current prices for gas because there is a shortage of gas. We are paying current gas prices because the oil that is used to make our gasoline is increasing in price. This is not do to lack of oil it is do to the speculation that the instability in the middle east may slow oil production in the future. Funny thing is we import most of our oil from Canada, 30% of all oil we import.

Secondly, the choice of parents to drive their children to and from school is for many reasons, just ask them individually. For some it is the inability for the school system and bus drivers to provide adequate security and protection. I am not saying that the driver should be responsible for your child's protection other than following driving laws. However, many things happen on buses and no one can prevent these things from happening because the driver is busy driving. They may not happen frequently but the day it affects your child you will be questioning yourself about why you made you child ride the bus. Heaven forbid they are in an accident.

It is not the responsibility of anyone on here to make choices for others with regards to their children unless the parents are doing things that put their kids at danger. Stick to raising your children and let others raise their's.

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I'm calling a math foul.....

" Funny thing is we import most of our oil from Canada, 30% of all oil we import."

Dosen't that leave 70% of imported oil?

I'm just sayin'

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Bingo, Bike Pilot
Bikepilot wrote:

For some it is the inability for the school system and bus drivers to provide adequate security and protection.

After the fourth time your middle school daughter leaves the bus in tears because of the incessant sexual harrassment and intimidation, one realizes that the driver does not care for the welfare of your child.

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as with the car line

I can't say it is true at your schools, but ours were, and still are, ate up with out of county kids.

Fulton and Clayton county license plates abound. These kids can't ride the bus. When we complained, we were branded by our BOE rep 'racist'.

The kids at the high school have a nice little trick to hide their out of county plates...they back their cars up back to back so you can't see the plates.

One parent went over and got down on their hands and knees to read those plates and turned in over 50 out of county tags...what was done? Nothing that I ever heard of. You want hype those are 'company cars'? Sorry, can't peddle that one any more. Let me be clear, it is no one at the home office calling anyone racist or hawking the company car theory...it is our BOE rep from the area.

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Out of County Tags

I come down 74 back from the airport daily about 8:10 and I have personally
followed numerous cars with Fulton tags drive down 74, turn down the parkway
and straight into the McIntosh parking lot. I have even turned into the school to see if they were dropping their kids off. And don't try to say they are Company cars, when you follow them all the way from I85, trust me they are from Fulton.
I for one am tired of paying my taxes to educate the kids of out of county parents. Our new Super needs to sprout a pair and fix this problem, if he did he'd have a job for life.

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what we need is to get some off the BOE next election

Around 2001, I complained bitterly to the BOE rep from the Flatt Rock area of the out of county licence plates. I was told that wasn't true.(company cars you know) I then made the statement that the 'complexions' didn't match the people that lived in the area. Then, the Yankee was aghast! I was branded a racist!! For shame for shame! What I pointed out was, a valid argument. What the enlightened one didn't seem to compute in their brain is that all people who move here and pay their taxes, regardless of their color, deeply resent it. It isn't fair to any of us no matter if you are purple or pink. You see the enlighten one was looking for anything to smear or brand. You see it stops opposition in its tracts.

It is my opinion, and I'm very much entitled to it, that these kids were let in to cause a 'feeling' of overcrowding as another reason to build extra schools along the bypass. (other than some are cozy with developers)

We now have a school built where the west bypass was suppose to go that has 40 kids in it. THAT IS WHRE THE TEACHERS PAY RAISE WENT. THAT IS WERE THE SURPLUS WENT. That is where new computers went, THAT IS WHERE YOUR VERY HIGH taxes went. Did you know that over 70% of your property taxes go toward the schools? They are very very high. It is one thing to pay taxes to educate your own child, it is quite another to pay taxes to educate Fulton and Clayton county kids, and that is what we have done for years.

What has been done to us by putting developers wives and 2 year Psychology majors on the BOE, we will be paying for for years and years. People wake up!!! An election is coming up next year. If you are from Smith or Smola's areas... throw your hat in the ring! We need new blood on the BOE...(at least a 4 year degree and some smarts on managing money)!!!!

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So take a picture of their license plate

You could probably get a different one every day for a couple of weeks and if you sent them to Dr. Bearden he would have to do something. How many illegals from other counties do you think we have? Remember it is not just high school, some start this thievery in first grade.

Another idea would be to deputize the school crossing guards or give them a bounty for every illegal turned in. You know that they know.

I must remind everyone that the cost to the taxpayers is over $7,000 per student per year! Find 150 - save over $1,000,000 a year! If we have budget problems it would seem logical to cut out illegal activity first - long before you lay off law-abiding staffers or start closing the library early or stop cutting grass.

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Papers Please......

.......by a crossing guard---no less!

Do you really think the budget would go down if some of these were caught?

I think not but just the act of picking on the poor might make you feel better, huh?

I think I know what Mr. Bearden would do with your picture!

Send it to the Sheriff. I'm just sure he would immediately demand papers and arrest them and send them to the border ASAP!

Just find out who they work for and put them in jail!

You don't know doodely-squat bout this problem.

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No roundabout

the budget will not go down but the cost of doing business will. Which is the whole idea!!!

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cyclist:cost?

The cost of doing business would go down? I am baffled by that one.

I'll just bet that cooties would reduce also.
Maybe if we sent all Italians back to Italy, No more Mafia films would be made.
If we sent all orientals home we wouldn't have enough people left who know advanced math to continue our science advances.

If we sent all Black people to Africa, we wouldn't have a President, Joe would get the job.
We have just about cleared all of the American Indians out so we can quit worrying about dying by arrows. They now love casinos.

Since the TEAS are going to send all Hispanics back to Mexico and South America soon we will suddenly have a problem for laborers. I am not sure if that includes the ones Reagan pardoned and made citizens. I guess their citizen kids will have to also go with them since I don't know anyone who will take them to raise.

If we just had that great big wall around the USA and across Canada, electrified, a guard with a 50 caliber every 25 feet, night and day, and
a moat on both sides full of alligators that are starving.

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No reason for this to go on and on and on...

I see no reason for it. I know we can't stop if 100%, but I know there are kids from out of the area in the schools.

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think of this

you enforce it, it drops enrollment, then boe layoffs are called for. Too many teachers, not enought students. Think there is enough intestinal fortitude to do that right now? Should be, but I question the lack of action, if these comments are the case.

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No, people will take their kids out of private and put them back

in public schools. What you don't realize is that so many people in Fayette county have taken their children out of the public schools and put them in private.

If there was an honest and sincere effort to get rid of the out kids...they would be gone. Everyone knows that. People are sick and tired of having their kid picked on etc. and getting the runaround, they just take them out.

These parents are hit twice! High taxes...AND.. private schools.

I feel strongly that if you would get these out of county kids out, the people with their kids in private schools would bring them back!

After all, that is why they took them out in the 1st place.

I think I mentioned to you a while back, someone went down to one of the schools, and to their amazement was a Fulton county child that had been banned for bringing a gun to school. He was sitting in a Fayette county classroom!

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All teachers should think long and hard over

my above comment. Who do you want to teach? A child who's parents put his education above all else, and the child himself is a good student who will come back from the private schools? Or do you want to continue teaching out of county, disruptive kids, one of which was thrown out of a Fulton county school for bringing a gun to class?

The people who put their kids in private will bring them back to public if this is fixed. No one wants to pay the high taxes for their child's public education and then secondly, pay for a private education. Most people these days don't have that kind of money and make many sacrifices to do so.

The teachers have been the victims in this too long and should think hard on who they vote for next election.

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Only a handfull maybe

There is probably only a handful of kids from out of county here. How do you know they didnt move here. Do you follow them home. We are talking about american citizens coming across the county line for a better education. WHO CARES. When we have 12 millions illegal mexicans running around and breeding like rabbits. Get your priorities straight.

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get YOUR priorities straight!!!! You sound like a Smolite!

We pay many THOUSANDS of dollars a year to educate each child in the Fayette county systems. By that I mean ME...and every home owner here. Each Fayette county homeowners pays 3500 to 10,000 a year in Fayette county taxes. 70% of ALL that money goes into the schools.

Many homeowners who already pay those school taxes now have their kids in PRIVATE SCHOOLS. They STARTED in public in Fayette and switched to private. Everyone I've talked to that has done so has talked about an 'incident'.

I DON'T WANT TO PAY TO EDUCATE OUT OF COUNTY KIDS!!! It is MY money and it shouldn't be used that way. I moved here and paid the taxes..for my child to go to school here ...why shouldn't they? Only someone with a communist attitude or commune type attitude would feel one group should pick up the tab for the other...DISHONEST...group.

I wish someone with their kids in a private school would come forward to run and make it their platform that they had to take their kids out and why. The idea being to take our pubic school system back.

You can't sweep this under the rug. There are too many parents with their kids in the school system who know it isn't a lie. You can not deny the numbers are going down, even being pumped with illegals..I would say 1/3 to 1/2 of the parenets of kids coming out of Tyrone Elementary are putting their kids in private schools rather than let them face Flatt Rock.

You want people to let them go to school here and force our parents to pull their kids? Then you have no feelings for our kids, nor our taxpayers.

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Perfect solution to the illegals from Fulton County

Not difficult and Dr. Bearden would certainly be recognized as a pioneer.

Just make up a list of the illegal students - this is easy to do, although no one has ever tried - possibly for the reasons you suggest. Next, arrange the list in descending order with everyone's grade point average. Then you decide how many you want to get rid of - say 200 and kick out the bottom 200. How about that? The bottom 200 won't drag down your average SAT scores because they won't be taking the test - at least not here.

Of course if you get a bad illegal student who is a good football player he must be given an exemption, but aside from that - clean house! Maybe basketball players as well.

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School districts throughout

School districts throughout the country are being investigated for 'throwing out the bottom ' test takers. It is important to look at the total consequences. Funds may be saved; but teachers could lose their positions; accreditation could be lost, etc., etc., etc. Fayette County has a good school district - please - no knee jerk actions at this time. A questionable school district lowers home values, right?

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So you're suggesting it's wrong to remove out of county students, especially if they test badly?

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It is important to look at the total consequences. Funds may be saved; but teachers could lose their positions; accreditation could be lost, etc., etc., etc. Fayette County has a good school district - please - no knee jerk actions at this time. A questionable school district lowers home values, right?

No! (to your question) Follow the law, check addresses, etc. It is wrong to throw out 'low test takers' - and other districts have done it even when the students lived in the district. This idea of circumventing the law and going by 'appearance' - stinks - and you know it. Unfortunately, this reasoning has become part of the 'conservative' way - and incorrectly identified many conservatives as elitist and racist. I know neither of those labels fit you - right? But thanks for asking for clarification - I know you wouldn't want to be accused of putting words in another's mouth.

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Well Mom

I'll leave the putting words in other peoples mouths to you. You left out part of your quote, in fact you left out the part I was referring to, dishonest? Again, I'll leave that up to you.

Davids mom wrote:

School districts throughout the country are being investigated for 'throwing out the bottom ' test takers.

The thread was talking about out of county kids, not test takers, but thanks for twisting the subject yet one more time.

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Nice try. Try Logic 101 . It's obvious you and others have a problem with me. Suck it up. I will continue to express my views here. Just ignore me. I will continue not to ignore you and your sad attempt to appear as the all- knowing 'big man'.
LOL. (now we may see the attempts to defend hutch's manhood.). Hey Popeye, try spinach!

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Gee Dm

A little testy today aren't we? Maybe to much caffeine, or just getting caught being dishonest huh? Actually I have no problem with you, I see you exactly as you are, and all I did was ask a simple question. I'll try the spinach, and maybe you should try a little Valium, you seem overwrought.

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Just make up a list of the illegal students - this is easy to do, although no one has ever tried - possibly for the reasons you suggest. Next, arrange the list in descending order with everyone's grade point average. Then you decide how many you want to get rid of - say 200 and kick out the bottom 200. How about that? The bottom 200 won't drag down your average SAT scores because they won't be taking the test - at least not here.

If you would take the time to read everyone's contribution, you would have seen Morgan's comment. (see above). After all hutch, this is not a discussion between you and me exclusively. I honestly replied to Morgan's thought. Don't call me a liar again.

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The fact remains he was talking about the OUT of county kids, not the kids legally here. You have no problem calling people names, and I call it like I see it, so, you can live with it, or not, doesn't affect me one bit. Besides, I just called you dishonest, you called yourself a liar.

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Besides, I just called you dishonest.

From the dictionary: dishonest
You just used another word to say that I was lying. .
- adjective
lying, untruthful

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Dm

Yet again, you only quote part of the sentence, and I notice how you added the period instead of a comma, how selective of you. Here's another definition... dis·hon·est/disˈänist/Adjective
1. Behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way.
2. Intended to mislead or cheat.

I'll admit it was really cool how you changed you reply, but, still, you showed your true colors, and NO, that's not a pun.

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Having a discussion with you is like having a fight with someone whose hands are tied. I'll just consider the ability of the source and smile. You may have the last word.

definition of 'dishonest

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yeah, Hitler (or Schindler) had a list didn't he?

Would you check the papers of the students before you threw them out?

Or, do they just have to look like, or sound like, an illegal?

I would say by 10:00 te followig day, 35 lawyers would show up at the school and the Board of Ed building!

After all they are human until proven otherwise.

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Well Round, lets put in terms even you could understand

Just for the sake of argument lets pretend that you own a Movie Theater, a group of kids from Fayette county all have money to get into your Theater.
But a group of kids from Fulton/Clayton or even Spalding county are standing outside of your Theater and they don't have money to get in. Are you as a Business owner going to open your doors and invite them in free of charge? How long do you think that you could operate your business by letting these people into your Theater for free everyday? How long do you think that the paying people would put up with having to pay while the others got in free? I can tell you it wouldn't be long before you'd have to close the doors. I hope that I have put this into terms that you and the rest of you can understand, but alas,
probably not!

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Why don't you ask them for their "papers," they may be illegals?

These are probably cooks, servers, and sweepers!

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Well said, put the kids on the bus...

And what's with the folks who are too good to sit in the car lane? At Booth Middle, EVERYDAY, there are parents (I use that term lightly) who pick up their kids at Waterwood Bend, just south of the school? Why do the police continue to allow this?

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Illegals at Booth

Actually the illegal parents at Waterwood Bend, you speak of. The police ignore it because it is a low revenue ticket and the parents will always have an excuse - like "I have to take little Susie to the doctor (every day)" so it goes to court and the officer gives up his free time to watch the judge fine the momma $25 or more likely get off with a don't do it again warning.

Now if they upped the fine to $100 each offense and enforced it with cameras --- big time revenue! If there are 10 illegals there every day, that's $5,000 per week and the Chief could hire a real quality admin asst. and have some money left over.

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There are clearly no parking signs at Waterwood..

No reason for this to go on.

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Censorship. Cal kowtows to the Police Chief

No Reply button on the article about the EEOC complaint against the Chief - meaning the real chief - not the 1/2 Injun.

We should be able to express our opinions about the Chief and his accuser.

Buttons Cal?

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No Reply Button?

Wheres the Balls, I mean Button?????

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Waterwood

Talk about a lazy kid, he walks across the field to Banks Run Court and his guardian picks him up and transports him 200 yards to Gateway Point Court. The kid walks further from school to Banks Run Court....go figure....sad...sad....very sad......

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Brains of an ant?

Brains of an ant, without the work ethic. Those little critters sure work hard doing whatever they are doing.
Well yes, here in Fayette County and all across the fruited plains, lot's of us do have the brains of an ant. And for all the reasons you mention and more.

The car lines at school are simply parents giving in to their kids who don't think it is cool to ride a school bus. If I ever had thoughts like that or simply missed the bus because I was late - I walked to school. Nowadays the kids control their parents because the parents want to be their kid's friend and don't want to take too much time out of their busy day for their kids. Some work, some play tennis, some shop, some are simply lazy. Most think that the school system is responsible for their kid's behavior. And some actually believe that driving your kid to school is the only chance they have at "quality time"

Stupid, lazy, irresponsible, want to "feel good" about everything - yep, that's the generation that elected this ineffective community organizer and now they are having kids. God help us.

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AMEN!! My children have

AMEN!! My children have always ridden the bus! I would never sit on a car line. I don't understand the mentality of these parents. Is it because they don't want their children to hear or see something they can see and hear watching TV?

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Walking to school

One of my fondest memories of school days is 'walking to school'. I am still friends with my walking companions-even married one! (50 years). With the price of gas rising, maybe this antiquated practice will return.

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AMEN, I SAY TO YOU

Let us return to the glory days of the past and dispense with motorized transportation for students! No more buses! Let our overweight and video-game addled youth walk to school up hill both ways in the snow! For the really fat ones, we can provide ox carts until they are slim enough to make the trip on their own two feet. No more whiteboards either! Chalk and slate is enough to master the 3 Rs! Or, they can scratch stuff out in the dirt, just like Jesus!

For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

Proverbs 23:21)

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Hey Ninja

You're not another manifestation of Round/bonk/$/whatever are you? If not, you related?

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Can't be, he's not nearly as bright.

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Duplicate

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Considering how many sex

Considering how many sex offenders live within a one mile radius of my home, how many drive 60-65 in a 45 speed zone, and how many I see race past the bus every morning long after it has stopped, my children will never walk to school. Walking to school 'back in the day' was very different than today. The communities or more spread out, there are more drivers on the road ... most of which don't have sense enough to stay off the damn phone while driving ... and during certain times of the year, they would be starting their 5 mile voyage in the DARK.

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Unfortunately the reality of

Unfortunately the reality of life in Fayette County and many other residential areas make a parent think twice about having their child walk to school. Sad commentary on the reality of today's society.