Rep. Ramsey: Census data in, redistricting to start

Immigration bill in limbo awaiting ‘push’ vote to Senate; tax reform off table this year

With the new raw Census data now available for Georgia, legislators will be looking forward in coming months to the process of redistricting, and Peachtree City Rep. Matt Ramsey, a Republican, will play a key role in the process, chairing the subcommittee for House and Senate Legislative Districts.

Ramsey this week said there will be a series of 10 to 12 public hearings all over the state to get input from citizens on the matter.

“At the end of the day we want to conduct the process fairly and inclusively, and not enact a partisan gerrymandering of the state as resulted when Roy Barnes was governor, resulting in the current map for Fayette County,” Ramsey said.

The redistricting process involves the use of Census population data to redraw the lines for not just the state legislative seats but also Georgia’s congressional districts.

Not only will Ramsey play a key role, but Sen. Ronnie Chance, R-Tyrone, is a member of the Senate’s Reapportionment and Redistricting Committee.

For right now though, it’s too early to get any kind of handle on how the changes might affect Fayette County, Ramsey added.

“In terms of what the maps will look like, we won’t know until we go through that process this summer,” Ramsey said.

In other news, Ramsey reported the status of his immigration bill that has been approved by the House of Representatives. The Senate approved a slightly different bill, so now it’s a matter of which chamber “votes over” its bill to the other side, Ramsey said.

Once that occurs, it’s likely that a conference committee will be appointed in an attempt to resolve the matter.

Also of note, Ramsey said a tax reform package most certainly will not occur this year, as it is too late in the legislative session for it to be considered.

Legislators have been digesting a number of recommendations from a specially-appointed council that studied ways to end Georgia’s income tax and replace it with a consumer-driven tax system.

Although a bill listing all the tax council’s recommendations has been introduced, Ramsey predicts not all of them will remain in the bill “when, or if, it is passed.”

“This proposal needs a GREAT deal of study,” Ramsey writes in an email he sends to constituents on the matter.

The bill as constituted would result in a one-third to one-half reduction in the state’s 6 percent income tax rate in exchange for levying the state sales tax on some services and eliminating certain sales tax exemptions, Ramsey said.

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Still more criticism for Matty Gestapo

I noticed in the online version of the AJC this morning that Fayette county's own little goosestepper, Representative Matt "Matty Gestapo" Ramsey has come under even more criticism for his "This year we get the Hispanics, next year the Jews!" xenophobia bill.

Not one, not two, but all three Georgia agriculture trade groups condemned Herr Ramsey's blatantly unconstitutional legislation.

Naturally, thin-skinned Gestapo Matty fired right back at his critics....anyone who was against his bill is a 'special interest'.

Tea party officials could not be reached for comment yesterday, presumably because they were all out celebratin' the anniversary of the death of Martin Luther King (this year's theme: "Ding Dong the Dream is Dead!").

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Illegals begging to be deported it appears

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/27433510/detail.html

I don't think the US needs people this stupid. We're already bursting at the seams with our own.

Not a fan of Ramsey's bill or the alternative offered up either, but what the idiots above are planning to do sort of makes me wonder.

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Illegals & Deportation

Wouldn't it be interesting if they were loaded on a bus, taken to Hartsfield and then,--next stop--Mexico City!

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Where did you guys dig up this idiot Chris P. Bacon? What a wanker!

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Grizz - CPB

He is a Democratic hack and Unionist.

I think he is aptly cut out for his work.

He's in D.C. right now visiting his pals.

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"Democratic hack and Unionist"?

Always with the name-calling! :(

I'm just a "country-first, party-second" kinda guy. Drives the partisans here up the wall!

Hey, changing the subject but what did you think about President Obama's decision to try that KSM guy in military court rather than civilian court like he promised? I think it's a big mistake.

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Hey Crispy Goebbels!
Chris P. Bacon wrote:

Always with the name-calling! :(

I'm just a "country-first, party-second" kinda guy. Drives the partisans here up the wall!

Hey, changing the subject but what did you think about President Obama's decision to try that KSM guy in military court rather than civilian court like he promised? I think it's a big mistake.

Name calling my "Gestapo" friend? Back to your question. Your organizer in chief pulled a Clinton on the trial, you know, he stuck his finger in the air (place Monica joke here) to see which way the re-coranation winds were blowing. Might p-off a few libtards but gain a few fool-votes. Oh, one more thing, you might want to name that country and party you mentioned above as some of the other socialist's here might want to go there with you. Heard Cuba was nice this time of year. -GP

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Name calling? Bacon

I think that's what you are a proponent of, unions and Democrats. Is it not so?

As for the murderer KSM, it doesn't matter to me as long as he gets a fair trial (the truth is revealed), is found guilty, and executed. That is exactly what is going to happen in about twenty years.

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What a spit take

I just shot coffee out my nose wow didn't know it could do that.

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Fayette County Tea Party Website

Does anyone know what happened to the website? Has it been absorbed into the Fayette County Republican Party website since it is now mostly tea party folks?

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Is this what you're looking for?

fayettecountyissuesteaparty.org

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Nuff said

Any bill requiring Hispanic looking citizens to carry 'papers' is unconstitutional. Clean up the bill, or follow and/ or implement existing law.

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Oops, and the "Mexicans"

Oops, and the Mexicans "stole" THEIR land from THEIR Indians ... the Spanish language is from SPAIN. Spain is in Europe.

You can make the claim that the land was "stolen" about almost anywhere.

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Another look...

     In one area of misaligned thinking, some groups believe that illegal aliens from Mexico have a right to be in Texas and other southwestern states because America took those lands by force and should give them back. 

     Following that argument for the area of, say, Lubbock, TX, the US should return the land not to Mexico, but to the Confederacy, since it was taken by force from the Confederacy following the Civil War.  The Confederacy would then return it to the Republic of Texas, and the Republic would then return it to Mexico, from whom the Republic took it by force.  Case settled?

     Certainly, though, La Raza would extend their moral argument and insist that Mexico return the land to Spain, since Mexico took the land through force from the Spanish.  And the Spanish would return it to France, who would re-return it to Spain.

     But the earliest Spanish forcefully took the land from the Commanches, who, in turn, took it by force from the Apaches.  Here, the records gets a bit cloudy because people didn't know how to write before that time, but the Apaches were preceeded by the Pueblos, the Plainview people, the Folsom people, and Clovis Man (Folsom & Clovis tribes are named after early human tools found, near Folsom and Clovis, NM).  Archaeologists consider the 11,000 year old Clovis Man the oldest inhabitants of North America.

     Since the only two owners of merit are the original and current ones, the area belongs to the United States.

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Peter

Didn't the Normans, steal something too?

I guess the only safe local place not to steal something is the moon.

Or

Perhaps we could start stealing the ocean floors, no one owns those.....yet.

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"We are Mexicans and Americans stole our land."

Arizona Teacher's Letter Reignites Immigration Debate

Hill wrote that a majority of eight-grade students who he taught recently at an unnamed Glendale school refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance and declared that "We are Mexicans and Americans stole our land."

Hill went on to write: "I have found that (in) substitute teaching in these areas most of the Hispanic students do not want to be educated but rather (want to) be gang members and gangsters. They hate America and are determined to reclaim this area for Mexico."

So much for assimilating peacefully into American society.......

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Joe - Google

"Pledge of Allegiance"

You might be surpised by its history.

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Ahh now you've gone and done it

I have already fought that battle. Bacon will be on now to call you a lying Nazi.

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I suppose

but then socialists are masters at re-writing history. You know like claiming that Nazis' are really right wing, not socialists. Nice to control the school system isn't it?

Bacon is a master at double speak, but who really cares what he thinks.

He is marginally entertaining, just like the less than well read Ninja.

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Speaking of rewritin' history

Hey Petey C, speakin' of rewriting history, did you catch the dust-up with gun nut John Lott this past week?

Seems Lott went a bit overboard on criticizing President Obama on gun laws. Lots of librul blogs had a bit of fun with his Observerofu-class lies.

So Lott did what any self-respectin' conservative did: he scrubbed his commentary, changed the wording, and accused the dastardly libruls of distortin' his (revised) words!

One teeny problem: Google cache. Google cache made a copy of his original verbiage, complete with lies. Lott, like his spiritual brother in mendacity Observerofu, refuses to own up to his lies, even when confronted with evidence. How typical!

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Bacon - don't

don't know anything about it and I could care less what John Lott says.

You do believe in "Big Lies" don't you Bacon?

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"Big Lies"

Yup. Fayette county is a veritable petri dish for growin' big lies.

Much of that is due to the Tea Party hagiography of the Citizen's own Ben Nelms. My favorite bit of "Big Lie" Nelmspeak was last year when ole Ben worked in not one, not two, but three references to the Tea Party being "non-partisan" in one short front page article, but when you clicked on the link provided in the article to the Tea Party's "non-partisan" website, the main page featured a calendar of upcomin' Republican Women's events.

Thankfully, the Tea Party has now largely discarded that particular Big Lie, now that the election is over they can wear their Republican biases on their sleeves again.

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No Bacon, not

little lies like these, I mean really big lies.

You do believe in "big lies", now don't you Bacon?

Now don't be coy about it.....you know exactly what I mean.

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Petey C, there you go again!

Petey, I'm of the opinion that your biggest character flaw (biggest noticeable character flaw, anyway) is your habit of tellin' people what they believe in.

You appear to have this mindset that wants to ascribe to your political opponents those positions that you don't agree with, i.e.

1. Me no like Nazis
2. Me no like Bacon
3. Therefore, Bacon must be Nazi!
4. DERP DERP DERP!

In any event, to answer your "gotcha" questions, YES I know all about the "Big Lie" paradigm (arguably more than you), and NO I don't believe, condone and/or use it myself.

Happy now?

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Bacon - I

don't need to speculate on your beliefs, you post them here everyday.

Your character flaws are also very apparent through your dialog on this blog.

The Big Lie Theory is the basis of most of your "beliefs", that's because you have either been duped, or you have a vested interest in them.

Either way I don't need to pose a "gotcha" question, you catch yourself everyday.

You need not answer, just keep posting. You're mildly amusing. It's not you that I dislike, just your views and the way you treat others on this board.

Just keep it up so all can see that there are actually people (a lot of people) like you in the world. People like you AND the right are both equally dangerous to individual freedom.

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♪ Don't stop...beelieeeevin'! ♪♪
Petey C wrote:

The Big Lie Theory is the basis of most of your "beliefs"...

You simply can't stop ascribin' positions you don't like to other people, can you?

I simply don't look at the government as "the enemy".

But heck, if you're not comfortable supportin' your own positions, I guess denigratin' the opposition is really the only tactic that people like you and your pals have left.

And if that convinces you that you or your belief systems are somehow "superior" to me, why by all means...♪♪don't stop....belieeeeevin'!♪♪♪

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LOL - Bacon

No one would ever question your support of the government......;-)

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Too true PTCO too true

they both post from ignorance.

The Socialist Progressive movement began infiltrating the World of Academia during the Roosevelt Regime and has continued unabated.

btw-took 23 minutes for bacon to come and attack. Speak of the devil......

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No , Give them

Just give the mexicanos california, Its broke, lets see what they can do with it. Just imagine, Hollywood Mexico. Has a nice ring to it.

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Joe Kawfi Is Absolutely

correct. We took the land from the Mexicans in a fair fight! Santa Anna had tons of men and munitions! He just made a huge mistake at the battle of San Jacinto!

We only stole land from the Indians!

Swift Death To Talk About US Stealing Land From Mexicans!

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Ninja - ?

"We only stole land from the Indians!"

Was that an unfair fight?

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Good Afternoon Ninja

Santa Anna's mistake was splitting his forces prior to reaching San Jacinto where he was caught off guard.

But you're right on the Indians, if they had an effective immigration policy, we would likely be having this conversation via smoke signals.

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Even If Santa Anna Had

had the other components of his army with him at San Jancito, the fact that he put his troops in an indefensible position AND let his men take the usual afternoon siesta pretty much sunk his chances. Even if he had had more troops, the battle might have lasted 40 minutes instead of 20, with 18 Texicans killed instead of 9.

Swift Death To Overconfident Mexican Generals!

Remember Goliad!

One of my in-laws is a direct descendant of Juan Seguin!

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Joe's-American answer to this problem

Use the WW II German answer of dealing with the 'unwanted Jewish' population and force all Hispanic or Hispanic looking persons to carry 'papers'. NOT! (since some here have identified Hispanics as the only 'law breakers'.)

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Dmom if 20 million Canuks

came boiling over the border and started sucking up jobs and taking taxpayer assistance then we would be talking about them danged Canadians.

Davids mom wrote:

Use the WW II German answer of dealing with the 'unwanted Jewish' population and force all Hispanic or Hispanic looking persons to carry 'papers'. NOT! (since some here have identified Hispanics as the only 'law breakers'.)

Dmom legal immigrants (non-naturalized citizens) must carry their papers. It's called a Green card. It is a Federal Law it must be on their person and must be available upon request at ALL TIMES. Legal immigrants know this. The issue with Hispanics is they have a large lobby and media arm to flaunt their illegal activity.

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What happens to the Hispanic American who does not have nor needs to have a 'green' card? Why should any American suffer this indignity? It does happen in America. Too many Americans have been stopped for 'probable cause' - it's called 'driving while 'black'. It is illegal, there are words in the law that should prevent this - but it happens. Should we all be asked to show papers to prove we are legal citizens, regardless of our appearance? Maybe that is an answer. Illegal green cards can be purchased. That has not solved the problem of illegals in our country. They come to work. This has been discussed.

'Large lobby' includes some American industries .

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Because it's the law?
Davids mom wrote:

What happens to the Hispanic American who does not have nor needs to have a 'green' card? Why should any American suffer this indignity? It does happen in America. Too many Americans have been stopped for 'probable cause' - it's called 'driving while 'black'. It is illegal, there are words in the law that should prevent this - but it happens. Should we all be asked to show papers to prove we are legal citizens, regardless of our appearance? Maybe that is an answer. Illegal green cards can be purchased. That has not solved the problem of illegals in our country. They come to work. This has been discussed.

'Large lobby' includes some American industries .

Correct so enforce the laws that are on the books. Again I point out however when a State i.e. Arizona tries to they get sued by the Federal Government.

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Why the argument ?

Enforce the law equally, not just those who appear Hispanic. Enforce the law in the sweat shops and onion fields where there is 'probable cause'. ( not to mention government offices in Atlanta). Remember, every Hispanic looking person is not here illegally - why I bet most have their 'green card' and/ or SS number. NOT . So how will these bills solve our problem? Stop hiring illegals! No need for the fear of 'racial profiling'. The problem of the crime that comes with the drug cartel is another issue. We should really thank law enforcement in Fayette County.

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Another reason for Equal Justice and not Social Justice

Social Justice is "Give them the Wealth-Give them the Power" Equal Justice in enforcing the laws that are on the books with no exceptions. Unfortunately our President believes in amnesty. This is Social Justice. So until our Government starts to enforce laws equally we will never again be a Republic.

Eric Holder and President Obama are deciding what laws they want to enforce. It's not their job to do so. We have slipped into a fallen democracy a failed Republic.

This is what Progressives have been pushing us towards for years. Once you have reached a fallen democracy status, Democratic Socialism is the next logical step.

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Amnesty? Not necessarily

The Georgia legislature should acknowledge that Georgia business needs foreign workers. Utah issues a guest worker identification card and a state tax number. Utah expects to collect millions per year from issuing the ID card plus taxes on wages earned. Interesting. So far - no opposition to this practice.

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Ok so you are for individual states giving "Guest worker" status

are you also for individual States protecting their borders?

btw- He is for the Dream Act- Amnesty by any other name is still amnesty.

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An interesting article

http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/illegals-immigrants-guest-worker/2011/...

This article sheds some light on the history of a guest worker program - and what a guest worker program might look like today.

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Guest worker status

Just heard of the Utah plan. No one is protesting there-and it hasn't been challenged to my knowledge. Maybe someone knows more about this. The reality is that we have profitable industries that have broken the law by using illegal foreign workers. Has Utah found a legal solution without granting amnesty?

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"guest worker" status

Okay, let's talk about a "guest worker" program.

Would you support a formal "guest worker" program in the United States, a non-citizenship fast track for immigrants to allow immigrants to work in the United States and pay taxes, with restrictions on occupations they could perform, not unlike the program Germany once had with Turkey?

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So DM

what do you think of US attorney general Eric Holder suing Arizona instead of enforcing existing federal law? FWIW, I mostly agree with you, all laws should be enforced. LEGAL immigration is what made America a great country, however, a policy of no enforcement of law and an accept anything all encompassing politically correct perversion of multiculturalism will destroy America. -GP

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Holder's reason?

The racial' aspect identified with probable cause. Arizona has tried to clean that up . . But the courts will decide. We can't criticize other countries 'human rights' practices when we walk such a fine line ourselves.

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What?
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and an accept anything all encompassing politically correct perversion of multiculturalism will destroy America. -GP

Employers would have hired pink people with green polka-dots from Fantasia! It's cheap labor- not multiculturalism

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Pink or Blue

was not what I was speaking of! Only content of character should matter. Read this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41444364/ns/world_news-europe/ -GP

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GP

Keep talking GP! Your vision of an all-white America is not part of our national identity. But keep talking, more Americans are moving away from your thinking. Our 'culture' is recognized as inclusive and American. We are not British. We had a war to establish that fact, What does a human's skin color or religion have to do with their 'character'? Ones character is demonstrated on how she/she treats others. The British had their colonies - and we have our United States. The American culture itself is 'multicultural '. Can you express what you're really thinking without comparing us to the British? Our problems in human and civil rights appears to involve 'cheap labor'.

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DM

Why do you inject race into everything? I NEVER mentioned skin color. I was speaking of acceptance of other cultures, ie the multiculturalism that prevails in most of the world today. FWIW, there can be a "culture" of crime, or a "culture" that supports jihad against "infidels", or even a "culture" of blindly accepting other "cultures" that are hell bent on destruction of the country. This has nothing to do with race, well... at least on my part. This has EVERYTHING to do with the destruction of our country. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multicu... -GP

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Oh really?

Thanks for the explanation.

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Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily "side by side" did not wor

She is speaking of those who 'refuse' to integrate. That is not the case here is it? How many Muslims follow and/or demand Sharia Law in the US? (By the Constitution, they have the right to practice it as long as they don't break US law). How many Hispanics are turning their nose up at our traditions? Is celebrating an ethnic holiday un-American? What about St. Patricks Day - which all Americans celebrate? Let's not tell the world our multicultural society has failed because a German leader declares that it has failed for them. We have been a multicultural society since our founding. We just didn't treat all cultures equally. We do now! If you are denying that the 'browning' of America has nothing to do with this situation - you're not being honest with yourself. However - the real problem is what are we going to do with foreign workers? RACE is still a problem in America - but we have come a long way to turn back the progress now because we want to place fear of all who are different into the minds of our citizens. Stop using 'race' to hide your fear of 'change'.

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Thanks for the explanation.

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Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily "side by side" did not wor

She is speaking of those who 'refuse' to integrate. That is not the case here is it? How many Muslims follow and/or demand Sharia Law in the US? (By the Constitution, they have the right to practice it as long as they don't break US law). How many Hispanics are turning their nose up at our traditions? Is celebrating an ethnic holiday un-American? What about St. Patricks Day - which all Americans celebrate? Let's not tell the world our multicultural society has failed because a German leader declares that it has failed for them. We have been a multicultural society since our founding. We just didn't treat all cultures equally. We do now! If you are denying that the 'browning' of America has nothing to do with this situation - you're not being honest with yourself. However - the real problem is what are we going to do with foreign workers? RACE is still a problem in America - but we have come a long way to turn back the progress now because we want to place fear of all who are different into the minds of our citizens. Stop using 'race' to hide your fear of 'change'.

DM, I have news for you, what has already happened to much of Europe is on it's way here. And it is not an irrational fear to fear the change that may destroy our country, essentially turning us into a third world nation. I also have a question for you. Is everyone that disagrees with you or is every white person you meet a "racist"? This stuff is getting really old, the race card has been played so much it is becoming a joke. Why can't we just be judged by the "content of our character" instead? -GP

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You're not a racist - but you

You're not a racist - but you are obviously fearful of what you see happening in Europe. We will be a third world nation because of our undereducated populace. Will you feel more comfortable if the 'white' population remains dominate? What do you plan to do about being comfortable in your own country if the demographics change? The Europe that I see is just like the US that I see - fearful of those who are undereducated and committing crime. Color has little to do with this fear in Europe. I watched 'French' gangs roam the streets of Paris more openly than the gangs in LA would have the nerve to do. Are we as Americans, following the principles that we expound to the world, unable to embrace the fact that Americans come in all colors and all religions? Do you accept that as a reality? You have tried to deny your fears by saying you are not racist. I am too old to play games. We are a racist nation that has made great progress - but talk like yours is destroying our country. Who will you send back home in order to maintain what you feel is the real America. (Of course illegal immigrants first - but we are a nation of immigrants - who is next on your list in order for you to feel 'comfortable?) I am not too happy with what I see represented by your words as to the content of your character. . .or your understanding of Americanism. Americans don't like illegal activity . . we agree? Americans respect those who respect others, , we agree? Americans respect the right of the individual to practice his/her religion . . we agree? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE?

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It's like I can see the picture of America in flames and all you see are different colored dots! We do agree on one thing, laws are meant to be followed and enforced. -GP

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GP

Thanks for the response. I'm sure we'll all work hard to prevent America from going up in flames.

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Mosque Makeovers With Your Tax Dollars

Mosque Makeovers With Your Tax Dollars

'Spending money we don't have....Mosques refurbished with your tax dollars - State department (from the most transparent and open administration in history) refuses interview....."America is not showing it's power - it's showing it's weakness....they're laughing all the way to the bank."

Outrageous -- The Obama administration wants to take away your deductions for home mortgages while they rebuild mosques in foreign countries with American tax dollars.

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Joe did you really look into this

Joe you need to do better than this. The money was promised to rebuild the sewer system of Egypt years ago. Not that I approve of our tax dollars being spent on this. It's money we don't have. Which congress approved and who? Why are they thinking we wouldn't care.
Let's focus on the truth rather than telling little lies about our current administration. You continue to try and divide us when we should be sticking togetherto get ourselves out of this mess.

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Walkin' and Chewin' Gum

Kind of a specious claim there about Attorney General Holder "suing instead of enforcing".

While I realize that most teahadists have trouble multitasking (making walkin' and chewin' gum a near-insurmountable task), the simple fact of the matter is that most Americans have no problem dealing with multiple priorities.

I notice that you once again bring up the meme that the Federal government is somehow "not enforcing the law". Care to back up that claim?

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Fish

bite when it's storming! Trolling for little "s" socialist DM and big "S" Socialist Bacon bites! Hook set...he's pulling drag! President Obama seems to think he has the power and not Arizona http://www.ontheissues.org/international/barack_obama_immigration.htm but in reality Arizona does per the Tenth amendment. So who's right, Obama or the Constitution? Now you show me where the feds get the power in the constitution. Kind of a conundrum for a one world socialist now isn't it....but I am sure you can twist (or ignore) the constitution just like Holder. Obama enforces law that doesn't exist and Holder sues when Arizona exerts it powers under the Tenth, bottom line, ...fish in the boat, end of story. -GP

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The H8riot proves me wrong!

Gosh here I was just sayin' that teahadists like Georgia H8riot couldn't multitask, and he steps up to the plate and knocks one clear out of the park: in addition to being one of Fayette's most reliable religious bigots, he's also a "tenther" too. No drivin' on interstate highways for H8riot, they're not authorized by the 10th amendment! DerpDerpDerp!

Still waiting, though, for you to show me specific evidence that Attorney General Holder is not enforcin' laws.

I just KNOW you're man enough to back up your claim, GP. You're not from Alabama, right?

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Bacon, the hook set too deep? All you are doing is flopping in the boat. Here is a quote from the brief filed by Holder "In our constitutional system, the power to regulate immigration is exclusively vested in the federal government," the brief said. "The immigration framework set forth by Congress and administered by federal agencies reflects a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian concerns -- concerns that belong to the nation as a whole, not a single state." So Bacon, just so we are on the same page here, I insinuated it was federal law in order to entice little "s" to bite, but now that I am dealing with big "S" see if you can understand this. Follow closely now.. It is my contention that power is not granted to the feds in the constitution and Holder is wrong, Arizona is right, understand now? Now your turn, defend Holders lawsuit by using the Constitution, while you are reading it (probably for the first time), see if you can find the Tenth amendment. -GP

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Former KS welfare worker: Illegal immigrants abused the system

Former Kansas welfare worker says illegal immigrants abused the system

Lana Reed, who worked as a bilingual specialist for the Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services in Overland Park from 2008 to 2010, urged lawmakers to adopt the bill targeting illegal immigration. She described a system overrun by illegal immigrants who used false Social Security numbers and other fraudulent documents to game the system.

Nothing to see here, America. Just move along and accept the invaders without question, lest the race pimps cry "RACISM!!"

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She described a system overrun by illegal immigrants who used false Social Security numbers and other fraudulent documents to game the system

Hello! What will the 'paper' carrying in these bills change? We all know what industries in our country will have the final word. Until we introduce a workable work program in this country for foreign workers, we will have solved nothing. Ramsey seems incapable of doing this at this time.

By the way, talk of 'taking back their country' has been going on for years, but as long as cheap labor was beneficial, this was ignored.

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This is a lot bigger than just little old Fayette County

All over the country there will be redistricting of congressional districts and that is the true benefit of the Republican resurgence or the influence of the Tea Party or the disgust of Obama/Pelosi/Reed. And it will be those new districts in which people will vote in 2012. Of course the Republicans gerrymander as well and that is fine.

Almost guarantees more gains in the House and certainly gains within the state legislatures and that's pretty good. The anti-incumbent mood and the high number of U.S. Senators retiring will probably result in a Republican majority (possibly even veto-proof) there. This is all good.

What isn't so good is the Republican Presidential offerings. Tim Pawlenty? Michelle Bachman? This is the kind of candidate that keeps Obama in the White House. Oh well, at least he can't do something stupid like declare war without congressional approval.

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Gonna be hard Robert W.

I'm seeing a gain of 8 by the Rs in the 2012 Senate race. 13 is going to be tough, particularly with the weak Republican presidential candidate field.

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Jeff C'ss calculations may be

Jeff C'ss calculations may be right!

From an article by E. J. Dionne in today's AJC

. .a part of the country that was integral to the Republican surge of 2010 is shifting away from the GOP . .

It appears that Republicans miscalculated the unpopularity of union workers. Poll numbers of support for collective bargaining for public sector workers are stronger than most labor supporters expected. Looks like the Republicans and their 'class warfare' ideology is backfiring on them. Later this year several Republican state senators could face recall elections. The 'wealth envy' rhetoric that we see so often in these discussions is not going over well with the middle class that are fast becoming the working poor. A lot will depend on the budget discussions in Congress. Wow - politics may benefit the American people instead of 'political party'. Alienating legal Hispanic citizens, the labor vote, and police,firefighters, and educators isn't playing well in middle America. 2012 can swing either way. Who's not listening now? We live in the most loyally Republican part of the country - but the rest of the country is beginning to see things differently. Interesting.

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it's a "get off the fence" issue

It's been interesting watching this union-bashing play out.

The Republicans horribly misunderestimated American opinion on this issue.

It seems that "unions" joins "abortion" as one of those rarified issues that cause independents to climb down off their fences and take a stand.

People may not like the thought of unions, just like they may not like the thought of abortions, but what they like even less is conservatives attempting to restrict access to unions/abortions.

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Oh gosh Bacon

We, the little s and big S have sent some running to their 'resources' to answer our comments. Too bad people can't express themselves and think on their feet. ( But I'm going to take my own advice and not cloud the issue with personal attacks.)

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Gonna be necessary JeffC

Having a veto-proof majority is more important than ever. Only way to stop the march toward socialism and a complete meltdown of the country.

After reading in the AJC the profiles of the 12 supposed Republican Presidential candidates, I have no confidence that any of these are good enough to beat Prezbo. I mean they are not capable of campaigning against him and winning the election. Certainly almost all would be better at running the country, but they have to get elected first and I just don't see it. Obama can say anything, promise anything and sound real good saying it; then not deliver anything at all and somehow blame it on the Republicans and the stupid people who vote actually believe it.

Gingrich could destroy him in a debate (which Obama would never allow to be scheduled) but only 5% of the populace would understand what just happened.

At this point it looks like Romney and if he picks a woman or minority as a running mate the Republican Party will buy into that. He won't win, but that is a likely scenario for naming a candidate.

I forget who said it, but it was really funny - Pawlenty and Bachman are fueling the nations overwhelming desire to have a President from Minnesota - in the spirit of Eugene McCarthy, Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale.

I still like Cain, but that seems like a hopeless long shot. Palin and the rest - losers for sure.

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JeffC - I didn't

realize it was 2012 already.

If things keep going the way they are going both parties will be in trouble, including some old timers.

The fact is the Congress is going to have to get a grip on reality. One way or another, it appears to me they will have to be taken kicking and screaming to the woodshed.

I think you are making your judgments on business as usual. It will be anything but that in 2012.

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Just speculating PTCO

Let's see the TEAs budget in Congress if they can produce one. It's going to be a loser politically. They've already got their voters energized and are not likely to pick up as many new voters as they are to lose some after people see what they are going to cut. The deficit is so large that if they don't cut entitlements, they'll have to cut everything else which will irritate and motivate people. If they do cut entitlements, they'll lose a lot more. So far it's been a lot of sound and fury but little else. Still, it's early. We'll see what they come up with.

Given their stance on immigration and the propensity of some of the Rs candidates to demonize Hispanics while discussing the issue, the Rs will almost certainly drive that whole block to the Dems again.

The Middle East is a huge question. Obama muffed Egypt but seems to be doing much better in Libya. So much so that talk radio is close to supporting Kaddafi. Syria may be next. Obama and the Ds might have a really great foreign policy story to campaign on.

Redistricting won't affect the Senate races. Winning 13 races is going to be tough.

2012 should be a very interesting election indeed.

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So ignoring the Constitution is a WINNER for Obama?
JeffC wrote:

The Middle East is a huge question. Obama muffed Egypt but seems to be doing much better in Libya.
2012 should be a very interesting election indeed.

When was the President, any President, given the authority to attack a Country that posed no immediate threat to the US without Congressional approval?

So we abrogate authority to the UN and allow them to control OUR interest?

This is your winning strategy? Oh please, I hope you guys ride that horse in 2012.

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C'mon OOU

There was no Constitutional mandate necessary for this purely humanitarian (LOL) mission.

Obama managed to go in, blow the hell out of Libya with the approval of the Arab League, semi-destroy Qaddafi, then turn the whole thing over to NATO and tell the French it's their colony-their problem and leave the overthrow and repercussions to them.

It's brilliant!

Assuming they planned it that way.

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Well it's the old "Live by the Sword" thingy

Most voters are not going to remember Reagan but they sure remember Bush. They will also remember Congress screaming for Congressional approval for Afghanistan and Iraq.

They will remember the silence now from both parties at least I hope so.

The Constitution is more than an old document it was and is the foundation in which we were built. We keep digging out that foundation and soon the house will fall.

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Worked for Reagan in Lebanon and Grenada

No congressional authority for those until after the troops were already there and fighting. Whether the War Powers Resolution is even constitutional is a question and Congress hasn't shown any willingness to see it tested. They'd rather complain about not being consulted, but that also gives them political cover if things go bad, so they like that a lot too.

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JeffC - Yes

I am sure that it is the hope of all “governmentalist” that the entitlement crowd turns out for the next election. After all why go to all the trouble of creating entitlement programs if you can't get them out to vote when you need them? This of course is non-partisan, both parties use government programs to get reelected. After all, dependency is necessary to retain power, right?

Immigration is the least of our problems; it is the threat of our own government to individual freedom that is the biggest threat. The bigger government gets the more of a threat it becomes. I don't think the mood of the country is driven by immigration, its a ruse to take our minds off the real issue. The issue is out of control government growth and fiscal malfeasance in the name of special interests.

If those in Middle East could vote, I guess this would make a big difference in the next election, but they don't.

The fact that we are even talking about redistricting as a way to power in the Senate speaks volumes about how Washington and the people have screwed up the Constitution. The states no longer have representation in the central government and won't unless the 17th Admendment is repealed.

You are correct indeed, the 2012 election should be one of the most interesting elections in US history. The aftermath of this election could decide the fate of our country either way. God save us all.

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Yes PTCO

The entitlement crowd is going to be motivated. That has to be taken into consideration counting likely voters. My comments about immigration was also related to likely voters as many Hispanics will be single issue voters. Just musings about election factors; it was not intended as a ruse but I suspect you meant that in a larger context. It's part of the bread and circuses.

I agree that the real issue is out of control government growth and fiscal malfeasance. We have come to the same conclusion from different political perspectives. I suspect that this is because the problem is so alarming that reasonable people, and I'm including myself in that definition despite my liberal leanings, look at the challenges to our country and recognize that, everything considered, this is by far and away the single biggest threat.

Your trashing of the 17th has warmed my heart. The biggest Constitutional mistake ever made. The Founders wanted the States and the people represented for good reasons. The damage is incalculable.

You are too pessimistic and you know it. This is America. We're not only going to survive, we're going to win! Cheer up. My guy really isn't that bad. I'm hoping that during the 2012s he'll give us one of his positions on something.

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JeffC - This is America

I am afraid that our starting points on the philosophy of liberty are so far apart that you underestimate my pessimistic mood.

The fact that "This is America.” means little. In fact given the backdrop of history the United States of America, is merely a blip of freedom that is quickly being wiped clean. The philosophy of social engineering that you hold dear is destroying the very freedom it is envisioned to protect. There is no guarantee that the USA can survive. In fact, history says that it won’t.

If the law is justice, then it is quickly being extinguished by the heavy hand of government. The law is corrupted and has been given over to a mindless state compelled by petty special interests. What is the proper role of government if it is not to protect our ideas, our wills, our education, our opinions, our work, our trade, our property, our talents and the freedom to choose for ourselves? Its proper role is certainly not to regulate these rights and freedoms. However, that is exactly what our government is doing, everyday. The very freedom that we hold so dear is being stolen from us by socialists through social engineering and good intentions. Even the Congress has abdicated its authority to a mindless bureaucracy that makes its own law and enforces it with its own police. To deny this is to deny reality.

It is entrenched political parties seeking to regulate our lives based on their visions of utopia, which have brought us to the precipice. Which vision is right? Should we use the law to enforce social views of what is “correct” and “right”? Or should we use the force of law to protect our basic freedoms? We are looking into the abyss, we simply have to turn back and set people free to regulate their own lives and trust in God’s works. The visions of your party and the other party have failed us. Let’s try Freedom.

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Big fan of the 17th Amendment

going away. Huge mistake. Not sure I understand how that came about and who was pushing it and why. Anyhow, that is not going to change and 2012 will feature a bunch of under-educated voters giving us a bunch of new Senators and Representatives who will promise sweeping changes and much reform.

Then - nothing will actually happen. Maybe they will stifle some of Obama's crazier ideas in his second term, but I don't expect much out of the class of 2012 in terms of actually getting something productive done. Fair Tax would be nice. Defunding Obama care, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan would really be good. Gutting Dept. of Education and other useless federal programs would even be nicer, but I don't expect any of it.

Keeping open borders and pandering to Hispanics will continue and eventually there will be more Hispanics than anything else in the House and Senate. Can you say President Garcia in 2040?

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It is Obvious That Yahweh Initially Gave

North America to the Protestants and South America to the Catholics. The northward migration of our southern bretheren is clear evidence that God is fully on the side of the Catholics now and is smiting the rebellious Protestants through illegal immigration, welfare system abuse, low-rider driving, and open Spanish speaking in public! Protestants repent lest the Lord unleash a tsunami on our eastern shores! Even Billy Graham's son is worried! The End is near! Study up on transubstantiation before it's too late!

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Yahweh

LOL !

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Only one question?

Will the area Around Buford Highway in Gwinnett County be split into several districts so as to avoid a sure election of a minority?
A sliver marking various districts could snake through that area dividing it into 5-6 districts---not enough to influence a minority getting a majority!

Gerrymandering is a nasty business! We simply have to put these people in their place though. Fayette County could use one of those slivers!

Some people should simply not be allowed to vote---not seriously anyway.

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Ramsey's Georgia Immigration Bills

The State of Arizona had 5 tough and nasty bills brought up before their legislature last week. All Five got shot down....in flames. Why?....Because of the economic suicide that their xenophobic horror of fear that had already cost the state over 150 million dollars in lost convention, trade, and tourism. The same thing is going to happen in the State of Georgia, as it is happening now. Do you think the Atlanta Convention Bureau is going to stand by idly as one organization after another passes up Georgia for their meetings? I don't think so. A lot of damage has already been done. There are too many companies and businesses who depend on tourism, travel, and trade who are not about to let xenophobia wreck their bottom line. If you do not know what xenophobia means, then you are not qualified to participate in the discussion.

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So what, I'm supposed to

So what, I'm supposed to embrace with open arms the Hispanic families I see waddling around Wal-Mart with their WIC checks like they're some kind of priceless cultural gift?

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PTC Avenger

You"re one of those special citizens who may embrace a possible 'white' illegal (Canadian, Bosnian, British, Russian, German,African) who.shops with the WIC check ? The proposed bills, and your perception of them smacks of racism. There are ways of implementing the prosecution/ removal of illegals. Obviously the Ramsey bill and the Arizona bill has been written to appease the ignorance and fear of some Americans. Deport illegals who commit crime; hire legal workers; fine/ punish employers who break the law. Apply the law justly. . .not just to Hispanics.

Before you get your pants in a wad - there are 'white' Africans.

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Dmom we are all for enforcing our laws

so why do YOU think we are not?

All illegals aka Criminals should be sent home. They can get in line like everyone else.

Fine the employers and jail them if necessary but the bleeding of our economy by non-citizens taking our wealth must end.

"What You Need to Know About Life in America was first published in Taiwan in the late 1980s. It provided readers with a step-by-step guide on how to come to the U.S. and apply for public assistance, including SSI. It figured prominently in the debate that led up to the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, and most thought that the book, and what it stood for, would go away with the act's restrictions on public assistance for non-citizens."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79013,00.html

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Quote: All illegals aka
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All illegals aka Criminals should be sent home. They can get in line like everyone else.

Fine the employers and jail them if necessary but the bleeding of our economy by non-citizens taking our wealth must end.

The law to do this is on the books. Applied justly, we wouldn't be in this mess. The lobbyist for certain industries should have lobbied for a work plan for foreign workers. Instead they chose to break the law and take advantage of cheap labor.

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Oou

Those who worked on welfare reform did not forget- but government by lobbyists won out- and the law has not been followed.

No need to pass bad law that will divide this country. Mike King and Cy, both good conservatives, have the answer - they just don"t have electionitis.

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Correct all we need to do is enforce current laws

Arizona is trying that and for that they are getting sued by the FEDERAL Government.

So who has the right to protect their borders?

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DM, the sad thing is there are ways of removing illegals legally

There are laws on the books, but the money and gifts extended by the lobbyists outweigh any responsibility our representatives (for the most part) have in making sure these laws are obeyed. If things had been handled correctly many years ago there would not be this problem now. It is disgraceful that countries find it easier and more cost effective to have their citizens cross our borders illegally to make a living and send money back home than to clean up their own countries and make live there viable; that US companies would rather take advantage of these illegals by paying sub-par wages and no benefits, then our government (citizens) has to pick up the tab for medical care, education, etc. And does anyone really believe that the profits made by paying these low wages, offering no benefits etc, are passed on as savings to the consumer? Just more talking points to convince us that it is necessary to turn a blind eye to people breaking the law. Sad, sad situation.

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