Rep. Ramsey: Census data in, redistricting to start

Immigration bill in limbo awaiting ‘push’ vote to Senate; tax reform off table this year

With the new raw Census data now available for Georgia, legislators will be looking forward in coming months to the process of redistricting, and Peachtree City Rep. Matt Ramsey, a Republican, will play a key role in the process, chairing the subcommittee for House and Senate Legislative Districts.

Ramsey this week said there will be a series of 10 to 12 public hearings all over the state to get input from citizens on the matter.

“At the end of the day we want to conduct the process fairly and inclusively, and not enact a partisan gerrymandering of the state as resulted when Roy Barnes was governor, resulting in the current map for Fayette County,” Ramsey said.

The redistricting process involves the use of Census population data to redraw the lines for not just the state legislative seats but also Georgia’s congressional districts.

Not only will Ramsey play a key role, but Sen. Ronnie Chance, R-Tyrone, is a member of the Senate’s Reapportionment and Redistricting Committee.

For right now though, it’s too early to get any kind of handle on how the changes might affect Fayette County, Ramsey added.

“In terms of what the maps will look like, we won’t know until we go through that process this summer,” Ramsey said.

In other news, Ramsey reported the status of his immigration bill that has been approved by the House of Representatives. The Senate approved a slightly different bill, so now it’s a matter of which chamber “votes over” its bill to the other side, Ramsey said.

Once that occurs, it’s likely that a conference committee will be appointed in an attempt to resolve the matter.

Also of note, Ramsey said a tax reform package most certainly will not occur this year, as it is too late in the legislative session for it to be considered.

Legislators have been digesting a number of recommendations from a specially-appointed council that studied ways to end Georgia’s income tax and replace it with a consumer-driven tax system.

Although a bill listing all the tax council’s recommendations has been introduced, Ramsey predicts not all of them will remain in the bill “when, or if, it is passed.”

“This proposal needs a GREAT deal of study,” Ramsey writes in an email he sends to constituents on the matter.

The bill as constituted would result in a one-third to one-half reduction in the state’s 6 percent income tax rate in exchange for levying the state sales tax on some services and eliminating certain sales tax exemptions, Ramsey said.

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Sad situation - and a blight on our human rights reputation. What you point out about the influence of the lobbyists is a reality that many don't want to admit.

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Hey DM

Stop the invasion, seal the borders. Its that simple. Do you realize how many real terrorists are living here that came across from mexico. If millions of mexicans can come across you know there are at least hundreds of the Al Qaeda living here. So yes we will one day pay a big price for not sealing the mexican border. Both of these groups are helping break the back of this country.

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Timothy McVeigh didn't come from Mexico, and he wasn't here illegally. Use another scare tactic. Geez.

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Scare tactics

Yup, scare tactics indeed. The CIA estimates a grand total of around 200 Al Queda terra-ists worldwide, but the dingleberry right continues to insist that "hundreds" have crossed the border into the USA. Mmm hmm.

Here in Fayette county, we're more at risk from a McVeigh clone than we are from any furriner. Now that Fayette county is officially 20% non-white, I can definitely envision one of a certain caliber of Fayette resident (the type that rhymes with "Might Clash") such as 30YearResident,"normal", or even PTC avenger going nuts and shooting up a school.

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Number of terrorists

Remember, it only took 11 to kill 3000 in New York. ( and they at one time had legal visas.)

The issue is the mess that illegal use of cheap labor has reaped on our country.

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TSK TSK BACON Wrong Again chk your facts BEFORE YOU POST

New york Times
"Taken together with the recent estimate by the C.I.A. director, Leon E. Panetta, that there are about 50 to 100 Qaeda operatives now in AFGHANISTAN, American intelligence agencies believe that there are most likely fewer than 500 members of the group IN A REGION where the United States has poured nearly 100,000 troops."

and another (regional numbers Not world wide figures)
http://defensetech.org/2010/07/01/intel-officials-estimate-al-qaeda-numb...

http://www.middleeastfacts.com/middle-east/al-qaeda-al-queda.php

These speak of numbers in limited regions Hardly world wide numbers

The numbers You quote are for terrorist Commanders.

Wikipedia ( you and other bloggers seem to love to resource)is not a valid source Not one university will except it as a valid resource. Wiki even claims Commanders in 200-300 range

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You are correct and I was mistaken. I used the Pakistan estimate as a worldwide figure. (Unlike the cowardly Observerofu, I have no problem owning up to my errors. That's one of the main differences between a man like me and a punk like him). You get the "I fact-checked Chris P. Bacon" badge.

Let's take a step back and look at the big picture here. Let's double your link's estimate and presume there are 1000 Al Qaeda extremists remaining in a world of seven billion people.

Should America as a country hide under the figurative bed as several people here say we should, because of these 1000 extremists? Should we spend billions of dollars creating Fortress America to embiggen a false sense of security? Do we need the hellish Police State that Gestapo Matty Ramsey seems bound and determined to push upon us?

I say no.

What say you?

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Well bacon when you PROVE I made a mistake

I will own up to it. You see I don't use false stats where I then have to come back and make corrections. I check my facts before I post. Now I have made a couple of errors of fact but I don't make up stats. That's yours and roundabouts job.

Now there have been three:

1. Here where 200 is really 3000+ at a minimum.

2. Small Business Administration 5000 is really 1500 on the high end 500 avg.

3. Your mythical Report that Conservatives are less educated.

What are you going to make up next?

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You have that report bacon?

Cause I got one here that says that once again you have your "facts" wrong.

"According to the CIA, since the Sept. 11, 2002 attacks over 3,000 al Qaeda militants have been arrested, with more than one-third of the group's top leaders killed or captured"

I believe 3000 is more than 200. At least my Secondary education taught me so. Not so sure what yours taught you.

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/alqaeda.cfm

I suppose that one is just another one of your "faulty" memories bacon?

http://www.thecitizen.com/blogs/terry-garlock/01-25-2011/creating-jobs-o...

Chris P. Bacon wrote:

The devil, as often is the case, is in the details.

How is "small business" defined? The SBA defines a "small business" as a business with fewer than FIVE THOUSAND employees. You heard that right. You can have 4999 employees and the government considers you "small".

Does "small business" really generate/destroy those jobs? Yes, but put a big ole asterisk beside it:

The REAL growth occurs right around the 5000 employee mark, and even then it's qualified.

Want to know a dirty little secret? Say you have a firm with 5200 employees. You lay off 250 employees due to poor economic conditions. That means a big business has lost 250 employees, right? WRONG...as far as the government is concerned, that's a NET INCREASE of 4950 "small business jobs". The SBA statistics are weighted like this to favor "small business".

The biggest gains in "small business" jobs over the last 30 or so years has come from "big businesses" downsizing to less than the magic 5000 employee threshold.

Observerofu wrote:

The Small Business Act states that a small business concern is "one that is independently owned and operated and which is not dominant in its field of operation."

"SBA has a section called Office of Size Standards that defines the appropriate size for a small business. The size standards are broken by NAICS industry classification and are based on two things (a) size standards in millions of dollars; and (b) by number of employee. In most industries, 500 is the maximum for small businesses, though there are industries where a business can have 1000-1500 employees yet still considered "small business"

Here is the size standard table by NAICS code breakdown
Follow Link:

http://www.sba.gov/content/table-small-business-size-standards

Bottom of page you can download the table either as a .pdf or excel spreadsheet. Note the total number of MAXIMUM employees.

1500 is NOT 5000
Some "misinformation" (lie?) is just too easy to refute.

As someone said above "The Devil is in the details" indeed.

How Have Terrorists Entered the U.S.?
Study: Since 1993, almost every means of immigration exploited

http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/terrorpr.html

"The report, entitled "The Open Door: How Militant Islamic Terrorists Entered and Remained in the United States, 1993-2001," by the Center's Director of Research Steven A. Camarota, contains immigration histories for each of the 48 terrorists. Contrary to claims that foreign terrorists have come only as temporary visitors, research indicates that they have manipulated almost every possible means of admission to the United States: Some have indeed come as students, tourists, and business travelers; others, however, have been Lawful Permanent Residents and naturalized U.S. citizens; while yet others have snuck across the border, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, been granted amnesty, or been applicants for asylum."

Nothing to see here move along people move along.

Them faulty memories are tough sometimes as one gets older.

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bacon you idiot

I dont own a gun and never will. Just dont have any use for them. And you say 200 terrorists worldwide. Ask the good people fighting in Afghanistan about that ignorant comment. Heck there are that many just in New York city. Stop worrying. Everything is just fine

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Bacon - How

How many operatives did it take to bring down those buildings in NYC?

A little less than 200 I guess, and where do you think those 200 would just love to be right now? I don't guess it is in Egypt or Iraq.

However, "nuts" do come in all stripes. I agree on this...... ;-)

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Here is another scare tactic for you

Hezbollah starting to work with drug cartels in Mexico?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/21/video-hezbollah-starting-to-work-w...

"Homeland Security contacts are insistent…it’s not if Hezbollah operatives have been smuggled into the U.S….but how many? They note that drug tunnels are becoming much more sophisticated and striking similar as tunnels being used by terror organizations to smuggle weapons into the Gaza Strip. "

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Tunnels

Knowledgeable people in Arizona and California know the tunnels have been used in these states before most were aware of the Gaza Strip. Only when the media became aware did the rest of us know - certain industries have been aware for sometime.

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Exactly the reason we need to secure our borders

and why we are going to be hit hard in our infrastructure.

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Infrastructure?

How about applying the law already on the books equally to all participants? Illegal employees and illegal employers. If no employers waiting on the other side of the tunnel - no need for the tunnel. Cy has it right. Application of the law to all involved would have avoided this mess. Follow existing law to solve it is doable. Appealing to ignorance,fear is 'good' for an election year - right?

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Dmom you have said it several times

do you have any knowledge that the law is NOT being enforced equally?

I mean I have not heard of a bunch of Canuks caught and released.

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Please provide the proof that the law is being implemented equally to ALL law breakers.

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Wow DMom you must be learning

from bacon. You now want me to prove a negative with a presumed negative?

Well here you go. Obviously Hispanic has the highest number of deportations they also have the highest number of illegal entry.

Deportation Stats

So now your turn. Since your position appears to be that we can not enforce the law since it is not enforced equally what evidence of that do you have?

btw- I have not heard Obama speaking to a bunch if Irish illegals telling them he wants them to succeed. Just saying.

Obama to illegal Students "I want you to succeed"

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Well, now you want me to prove a negative

Learning from bacon I see. Let's see I have to defend your point by proving your point?

Well here you go:

Deportations by Country

Now since it seems ALL illegal aliens are deported just not uniformly I ask you again why we cannot enforce current laws and why do you think the Federal Government will not allow it.

"ICE Proposes New Policy That Would Let Illegal Immigrants Go Free" Now just who do you suppose they are going to let go free? I bet it's not the Canukes eh!

Ice Ice baby

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Oberverofu - interesting

avatar.

Is that Casper?

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Liberty will soon be a ghost

if Americans don't wake up.

It's just a Sharia compliant American icon is all.

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Nice Avatar

Rules for radicals in the left hand and the torch to burn the homes of the "wealthy" in the right, sharia compliant as well. God help us all. -GP

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I doubt it, Petey C...

His avatar looks like his ideal vision for America: the Statue of Liberty wearing Klan robes.

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You think?

You think that is his vision for America?

This assertion kind of reminds me of that skit in "Blazing Saddles".

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didnt have a problem DM

With McVeigh, He was not causing multi millions to be lost in hospitals serving illegals without insurance. These people are breaking the laws. Are you that stupid that you dont get that. Breaking the law. Why in the hell do we have laws if it doesnt apply to illegals from mexico. Thats our government for you. Illegals have more rights than whites or blacks or any americans. And by your comment you apparently dont care that the bad guys are here and waiting. I just hope law enforcement can weed them out before they succeed by profiling.

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Quote:

With McVeigh, He was not causing multi millions to be lost in hospitals serving illegals without insurance

It is not normal not to have a problem with someone who plans to kill hundreds of innocents, including young children. I' m not stupid-nor do I support overlooking the law to provide cheap labor for American business and individuals. I do not support illegal immigration or those who benefit from it. I do not support applying our laws to only one group of people.

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DM - ?

"I do not support applying our laws to only one group of people."

How about at least one group, illegals, aka criminals.

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Application of law

In America, no one is above the law - immigrant nor employer. Apply law to both groups. That's justice.

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Yeah, And What About That Black

dude that trained and brainwashed that young Jamaican fellow to shoot all those people up around DC from truck of a car several years ago. Where was immigration when we were importing his ancestors here to help out on the plantations? And what about that young fellow that did the shooting? I don't think his ancestors came over on the Mayflower either!

It has become evident that we must remove INS from the hands of the inept federal government and sub-contract it out to a profit-seeking enterprise! I suggest 3M. They got all kinds of chemicals and sticky stuff that would keep those illegals out, or at least where they are. They could drop that stuff on the other side of the Rio Grand using Boeing airplanes and freeze any would-be interlopers in their tracks!

3M has probably already got microchips ready to implant under the skins of all real and true Americans so that we can be identified by iPhone, which is made by Apple, another profit-seeking enterprise and therefore worthy of our admiration and consumer spending! No more asking for papers! Just point the iPhone to see who is who!

Then, all those Georgians that have been forced out of the pine straw spreading business could reclaim rightful jobs and positions in society!

I think Milton Friedman said it best when he said, "I think the Austrian business-cycle theory has done the world a great deal of harm."

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Friedman

Read the entire interview with Friedman here:

http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/6459

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Just Like The Libertarians Want

with the war on drugs, the only sure fire way to get rid of illegal immigration is to legalize it! Legalize it, slap a tax on it, and pay off the national debt. If it works with drugs, it'll work with people!

The US is physically capable of holding 3-4 billion people easily. South Georgia alone could hold a couple of hundred million!

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Ninja it already legal

It's called immigration not invasion.

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DM: Your stance is clear: you favor illegal immigration

"Deport illegals who commit crime; hire legal workers; fine/ punish employers who break the law. Apply the law justly. . .not just to Hispanics."

You've stated three times in discussion on illegals to "deport illegals who commit crime." The fact that they are even here means they have already committed a crime...why not just say "deport people here illegally?"

I'm all for going after employers who break the law and I don't want to hear their whining about E-Verify being some kind of "burden" to them. Yes, it might mean higher costs if illegal pimp/prostitution labor is severely curtailed, but that is the price a country pays. We could always go back to exploiting child labor or using slave labor and save even more if this was solely an economic issue, which it is not.

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Point well taken. However, regarding the children of illegals. They didn't commit the crime, their parents did. Under our law, if they were born here, they are citizens. Country based on law. Look what happens when we indiscriminately turn a blind eye to the law. This is almost as divisive to our country as the slavery issue. We need to look to the law and apply it justly or we are lost - and our enemies have been successful in weakening us by dividing us.

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In all seriousness about illegals..

It's fairly obvious where the majority of the illegals in our area come from. Now maybe upstate New York has a HUGE problem with invading Canadians...but I digress...I just think that you go after the biggest obvious problem first. The South has a problem with people from South of the Border.

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The implementation of 'probable' cause is the fly in the ointment. PTC's reference to her dislike of Hispanic families is 'telling'. Should I question the citizenship of those 'white' people who speak with a foreign accent? Maybe so. The reality is that the demographics in the United States, not just the South, is changing, and as long as those who come to our country from other parts of the globe and embrace our laws and obey them - what is the problem? Arrest and deport illegal criminals - regardless of the color of their skin. Enforce the law justly. Force those businesses that have knowingly broken the law to pay the price for their criminal activity.

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C'mon Spyglass. That fact is just too obvious for the race pimps in America to accept.

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Spy is respectfully addressing a problem. Your ignorant 'quips' identify you as a 'racist' with a capital R! If industries in our country had not been so eager to hire illegals - and our politicians and law enforcement had not been so willing to turn a blind eye to the breaking of our immigration laws, we wouldn't be in this mess. Let's clean it up justly. If 'papers' are to be needed- that will be the next big business in the US - the production of illegal 'documentation'. These bills are not the answer - but another plot to use a weakness in our democracy to divide Americans.

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DM, illegal documentation papers are already a big business

here. Illegals know they can go to Gwinnett and get bogus social security cards, licenses and anything they need and this has been going on for a long time.

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In the LA area- one could go to Mac Arthur Park and get 'documented'. I was not aware of the business here. I don't understand why some think the issuance of 'papers' is a solution. Thanks for the information.

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DM - MacArthur Park...

...is a real place? I had the sheet music to the song and used to play it on my flute ( a LONG time ago). I love that song, that and Mason William's Classical Gas. Who sang MacArthur Park? Weylon Jennings? I'll have to do an online search on the history of the song! Someone left the cake out in the rain....I guess it means something else?

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Wilshire Blvd and Alvarado

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Yes wildcat

MacArthur Park is a real park in LA.

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Hey Davids mom

I took the citizenship test thingy that you posted in the forum.

One question was; What is the rule of law? Ans; that everyone has to follow the law. That seems to be the issue on this thread, some are thumbing their noses at our current immigration laws. That pretty much sums it up.

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Yup.

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You have the solution to the problem, but if a state like Arizona can not elect politicians to address the issue, states like Massachussetts haven't a prayer.

Should it be true, and I'm not saying it isn't, should we have Hispanic, Polish, Irish, Nigerian or Sudanese children aping the attitudes of their parents about taking over America, then we simply speed the deportation mechanism and send them away. It's obviously better where they came from to hear them tell it, so good riddance! Either assimilate into AMERICA's culture or leave!

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It is true that there is a SMALL group of students who don't want to assimilate. There is a large group of Hispanics in Arizona and California who have been 'assimilated' for generations. They are American citizens. The influx of illegals has been because of our lack of enforcing the law. How would you feel, after members of your family had died for this country, after members of your family had for generations obeyed the law,etc., you will be required to carry 'papers' to prove you are a citizen because a law enforcement officer has probable cause to ask for your papers due to your appearance? We need to devise a method for legal identification for all Americans. Let's stop letting 'others' divide us. One is either a legal resident or not. The law is on the books. Enforce it! This reminds me of an ugly time in our history when one who had dark skin had to prove he/she was 'free'. Most Americans want to do the right thing, we just don't have the leadership to overcome 'electionitis'.

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AMEN!

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Mike Thise that hire the illegals are the real issue

Mike K. Let's not take Joe to seriously here he is just trying his scare tactics again. Of course there will be some immigrants who want to change America. Americans want to change America.For the most part they want a peaceful life as we do. Their plan is to make money to feed their family same as you and me.
Americans who hire the illegals are our real issue. If businesses did not hire them this subject would go away. If we would enforce the laws that have been on the books for ages, Ramsey and his cronies can focus on getting this country back on it's feet. Instead he is spending time writing new laws because we don't have the balls to enforce the old ones WOW. As always we dance around the real issue and attack those who cannot defend themselves. Of course we Americans need to be prepared for an increase in cost for housing groceries etc. when they leave.

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Agreed that we need but to enforce the laws currently on the books. Further, should Mr Ramsey have the fortitude to levy a fine of, say, $50K per illegal hire (first offense) and upwards from there, then we would see real progress.

Next, require compulsory deportation to possess a fake Social Security Number. Then make it a capital offense to traffic human beings, narcotics, and weapons across our borders. Progress can be made.

I take few here seriously, but all of us have to realize that if we really want to fix something, it can be done. The statement I heard about the kids refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance does piss me off.

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Will you run against Ramsey? (Or at least advise him.)

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To Avenger

Do whatever you want. No one asked you to hug and kiss. If it turns you on, go for it. If it doesn't, shop somewhere else, if that suits you. It's the legislation that would strangle Georgia's economy that is in question. How you assimilate cultural differences to your liking is your own agenda.

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Thousands protest "Gestapo Matty"'s bill

AJC reporting that somewhere between 5000 to 6000 people turned out in downtown Atlanta today to protest State Rep Matt "Gestapo Matty" Ramsey's bill that would require non-whites to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times.

A normally affable Aryan, Herr Ramsey was a bit prickly when interviewed by the AJC, calling anyone who protested his bill to be a "librul". He honestly does Nazi why people oppose his bill.

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First of all bacon it doesnt say that

The bill is good. I think they should drop a big damn net over the protesters and see how many illegals we can deport.

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Normal & Bacon

I have already explained this bill about illegals.

I will again: Both Governor Deal and this fellow from PTC both know that no such bill will ever pass. But by introducing it they both may get reelected!

Deal said he wanted the bill BEFORE the elction---now he says his contributors in agriculture and development do not want the bill--so he wants to study it more.

The new congtressman from PTC must say he is agin em---knowing the bill hasn't a chance! If one interviews 100 people in FAYETTE COUNTY, OVER AND OVER, 99 WILL SAY THEY ARE: agin em. Yet 50 of the 99 hire them in one fashion or another.

I want to see Matt rounding em up with a demand for "papers," and a rope.
Such plotted silliness shouldn't be elected.

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