Tyrone egregiously ignores residents’ protests

The Town of Tyrone’s recent vote in favor of placing a gun shop and shooting range in the Publix shopping plaza in South Hampton next to a pizza parlor frequented by local families is an egregious example of local government ignoring the legitimate concerns of its citizenry.

Despite vehement opposition by a majority of residents at the meeting on March 1, the council voted 3 to 2 in favor of this controversial development.

At the heart of the opposition is the location of the gun shop/range. It will not only be in a shopping area, but most alarmingly backs up to the homes of citizens in the South Hampton subdivision.

To knowingly allow a business that has the potential to lower property values and threaten the welfare and safety of all in the area speaks to the council’s total disrespect of the residents.

The council members and mayor appear not to understand that they were elected to serve the best interest of ALL residents, not a select few.

This decision begs to be reconsidered. It is not just; it is not fair; it is prejudicial; it is not what many people who live in Tyrone want.

The mayor and council owe it to their constituency to send this issue back to the planning commission for an alternative site, one that is not in a residential area.

Beverly Clopton

Tyrone, Ga.

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Seriously?

I am taken back at the way the residents’ concerns are being played down by both the context and content of this article.
1st of all I am a card carrying member of the NRA, an avid sport shooter and hunter. I have owned and used firearms for over 25 years. I received firearms training from US Navy SEALs and had long time contacts within LE SWAT as well. I plan to use this range so it should be evident that my concerns are experience based and not anti 2nd amendment rhetoric.
2nd of all I am a resident of Southampton and my property is in line of site of this range.
My concern is not what goes on inside of the range. As already stated this will be a state of the art facility and I certainly hope a fun and safe place to frequent. My concerns are what may happen in the parking lot regarding Accidental Discharge (AD). If this is a new concept to you please use wiki to become an instant expert.
AD is most common when people are handling their weapons such as unloading your carry ammo (The good stuff) and loading range ammo (The cheep stuff). How likely is this to be happening in the parking lot of a shooting range? As people cycle in and out over the course of years how much do the odds of an AD increase?
How likely are you to choose to raise a family in the line of fire of said parking lot? What are the odds you or anyone will pay fair market value for a home such as mine now? How would you like to be in my shoes? (Or back yard!)
Further to the line that most Southampton residents are indifferent to this range within 400 feet our neighborhood; you can be assured that we were only informed of a zoning change not the application for a gun range. Now that this is more out in the open the HOA is mounting a legal challenge with HUGE support from the residents.
I am in favor of a range in Tyrone. I am not in favor of putting it on top of a residential neighborhood. Where’s the common sense?

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Who is really the egregious party

The egregious ignoring that is going on here is that of the South Hampton NIMBYs: ignoring facts, logic, and existing law in their efforts to deny another property owner's rights.

Truth be known, land on which the South Atlanta Gun Club will be located was already zoned for the use to which it will soon be put; making the recent actions of the Town Council merely an administrative upgrade to the wording of the applicable ordinances.

When I moved to Tyrone I did not locate in proximity to those businesses and other locations (existing or potential) that I believed inconsistent with my lifestyle. South Hampton residents had to have known there was a shopping center in existence and should have known what sort of future activities were permissible in the PUD District when they arrived. If they did not, that's not justification for denial of another's rights.

As to the threats of some of the NIMBYs to boycott the pizza restaurant, I plan to increase my pizza buying activities exponentially before and after my frequent visits to the South Atlanta Gun Club. The net result might be a significant increase in pizza sales for that local business; and sales tax revenue for the Town.

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boycott

What's this nonsense about boycotting the pizza place? How is the restaurant involved and why would boycotting them affect the gun range? People are ridiculous.

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Publix Center Boycott

It was stated at the March 1 council meeting regarding this issue that "some" plan to boycott the shops and restaurants at the Publix Shopping center.

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So they didn't get their way

So they didn't get their way on one issue and their response is to attack the livelihoods of hard working people that are not involved with the situation at all. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. not.

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Tyrone takes gun safety seriously!
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Gun Range

Ms. Clopton is incorrect, it is not in a residential area, it is in a commercial shopping center. This property is zoned for this use and the council was correct in approving it. To have done anything else would have invited a lawsuit from the property owner (which he already won years ago).
The owner also has the right to put in a bail bond office, blood bank or a flea market. All approved uses. The city council's approval did the RIGHT, FAIR and LEGAL thing by approving this.

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Where Do you Live?

Its obvious that most of the bloggers in favor of the gun range at Southampton Village don't live near the area or maybe not in Tyrone at all. If a range was proposed for your ajoining property would you still be in favor?

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I live in PTC

[quote=lrichardson If a range was proposed for your ajoining property would you still be in favor?[/quote]

If it were in an area zoned commercial, yes I would. I'd rather have a range and gun store in PTC than the Target store near my neighborhood.

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Tyrone takes gun safety seriously!

Many of the home owners in the Southampton subdivision admit there is a problem with morality in their neighborhood. There are reports of gun shots, armed robbery, domestic violence, and even a case of child molestation. Police reports confirm these cases are true and actual. Maybe if everybody is trained to protect themselves and their family, some of this violence can be avoided. Maybe if word gets out that the city of Tyrone is trained and ready to protect itself, the bad guys will think twice before entering our neighborhoods. Cities with shooting ranges and gun shops have reported that crime was reduced. That makes sense to me. Do your homework, the information is out there.

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With the increasing crime and

With the increasing crime in the area and armed robberies on the cart paths, homeowners need a good, local place to purchase a firearm and learn to fire it properly and safely.

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Always look at issue objectively.

First, if you are emotionally moved by this story, you should probably click an ad or something to take your mind off of it.

If, on the other hand, you are a reasonable, thinking person, then you have to ask yourself a few questions before you form an opinion.

1. Is a gun store legal in this area? If it's legal, then why are people having such a fit? That's discriminatory.

2. Is there evidence that a gun store increases or decreases crime? Making assumptions (like most of you are) doesn't answer this question. Where is the research?

3. Finally, what are the wishes of Tyrone's residents? If the majority don't want it, then the council must honor their wishes. They are called representatives, and that's what they should do.

So, can anyone answer the above questions? If not, then opinion is based on assumption and conjecture, which isn't a reasonable or educated form of thought.

Another note: Won't the citizens of Tyrone, through their wallets, truly decide if they want a gun store or not? Why did the owner pick this particular location? Was a survey conducted? Research consulted?

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Not so.

First off, here's a good article on the details about the gun range and the zoning:
http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/03-04-2012/gun-shops-ok-tyrone-commer...

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3. Finally, what are the wishes of Tyrone's residents? If the majority don't want it, then the council must honor their wishes. They are called representatives, and that's what they should do.

The Council isn't obligated to follow the wishes of the residents, nor is it their responsibility to poll every resident. That isn't how our form of government was ever designed. They may not win re-elections by not following some people's wishes, but sometimes other matters like property rights override the temporary wishes of the masses. In this case, Tyrone was going to have to go to court if they denied it and they already had that experience when the shopping center was developed in the first place as they had rejected it and then lost the court battle.

The problem Tyrone had is they revised their zoning and didn't have a classification of where a gun retailer and firing range could or could not go, leaving it up to interpretation by a court. In cases like that, the property owner is going to win almost every time. And Doug Dillard will be the attorney :)

PTC approved the WalMart/Home Depot because they knew they would lose a court fight if they denied it. Coweta's commissioners knew they were going to lose a court fight vs. Starship, but went ahead and made the fundies happy temporarily and wasted a lot of tax money while losing in court and embarrassing themselves too.

The people behind this gun range submitted design plans that are quite impressive and this will be one excellent shop and range. They own The AR Bunker behind the QT in Newnan and AR is a very good gun shop ran by knowledgeable and friendly people. Here's a design drawing for the store/range:

http://www.facebook.com/SouthAtlantaGunClub

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Completely ignorant statements by Beverly Clopton

NUK- You were right on with your response. Beverly, if the residents of Southampton are lucky, then the gun shop will reduce the numerous crimes in that neighborhood and do away with all of the drug deals in the Publix parking lot. As a real estate broker of 11 years in this area I can assure you that the gun shop will not bring down the property values.

I applaud Mayor Dial and the council members that voted to approve this new shop and am thankful that a legitimate business wants to open shop in our great little Town of Tyrone.

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a few good shooting ranges

What PTC need is a few good shooting ranges. If the rec dept opened one it would pay for itself and then some.

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Talk about ignorant
Letters to the Editor wrote:

The council members and mayor appear not to understand that they were elected to serve the best interest of ALL residents, not a select few.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just MAYBE, the 3 who voted in favor were in fact doing it serve ALL the residents and not the "select few" who came crying about it to a Council meeting?

You do understand that we don't live in a democracy, right? Whoever shows up at a Council meeting doesn't "count" for any more than those who don't.

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Nuk absolutely correct and a great response

These self styled do-gooders do not speak for the entire community. There are always a select few that believe they can speak for the whole city or town..

I would ask these fine upstanding citizens exactly how an Armory and Range lowers values and exactly how a Armory and Range makes it less safe. I would think a bunch of Constitutional 2nd Amenders would make it more safe, but what the heck do I know?

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I agree Lindsey
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I would think a bunch of Constitutional 2nd Amenders would make it more safe, but what the heck do I know?

I agree. No thug will want to rob anyone there for fear that his intended victim may be able to fight back.

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Plenty of gun stores in Clayton County!
G35 Dude wrote:
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I would think a bunch of Constitutional 2nd Amenders would make it more safe, but what the heck do I know?

I agree. No thug will want to rob anyone there for fear that his intended victim may be able to fight back.

Dude, they have plenty of gun sellers in Clayton County and even a range to shoot......has that make the crime any less in Clayton County? I don't think so!

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RKS, you have to...

...be able to afford a gun (and ammo for practice & the practical) first. I dunno; HAS crime gone down in ClayCo or have more criminals moved in? Need stats on this one! My numbers say 1 gun owned by a law-abiding citizen has the potential to reduce the criminal population by 1...and probably many times the opportunity to deter such.

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RKS when was the last time a store was robbed

next to an active armory and range? Just saying is all...

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S.L. Good question, but.....

Maybe you should rephrase the question. Remember Autrey's Armory a few years back?

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Tin Can & robbery

I'm sure Steve wasn't alluding to the actual Armory being robbed but nearby merchants. The motivation is certainly different. Do believe those miscreants were caught & locked up; most stolen guns recovered.

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Alluding..is that like assuming?

What I was alluding to was the fact that a gun shop doesn't seem to be the ultimate deterent to robbery. And to S.L.'s follow on comment I guess the gun range needs to stay open 24/7 to protect all businesses. That said I think gun shops and shooting ranges are fine. PTC should have one. As for the Autrey's perps, yep think thay caught all, or most, of them but don't think they recovered the weapons. Not sure.

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Gun Range open 24/7...Now there's a concept I can endorse

Works for me... I can see it now.. Midnight Bowling..Pin matches.

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TinCan & Robbery

Oh I agree that a gun shop is not any ultimate deterrent to robbery. As for the Autrey's deal--there were were 86 firearms stolen, zero clips or magazines,therefore the creeps had to buy those before they could sell the guns. There were 13 Defendants in the case; the big guy got 17 yrs in the Fed Slammer.

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Correct also that was after hours...

I somehow don't think it would have been accomplished during business hours.

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RKS - I don't think so!
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Dude, they have plenty of gun sellers in Clayton County and even a range to shoot......has that make the crime any less in Clayton County? I don't think so!

So your argument would be that if these gun stores shut down Clayton would be crime free? I don't think so!

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G35 Don't put words in my mouth....

....I didn't say that at all...what I said was you can't really say that selling guns in a gun store will deter crime in a town. Get it?

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RKS-I get it. Do you?

If you had read my statement correctly you would have seen that I was merely agreeing with another statement that it might reduce crime in that shopping center. You changed it to an entire county. And moved it to a different county. An entirely different culture at that. So I asked for clarification. Get it?

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Just read.....
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Yep, Nuk's response is 100% correct

too often - especially in Peachtree City, we see the council pandering to the 3 vocal opponents or proponents of an issue without regard for the other 35,997 who are not at the meeting. That's how things like walking signs and gas golf carts get on the agenda.

I do think the gun shop in Tyrone is a good thing. The more people that purchase guns and learn how to carry and use them safely, the better off we are as a society. The thugs that hang out at the Pavilion will start to take notice of ordinary people with a bulge under their jacket that is different from a beer gut.

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Robert... this is soooo typical

of the minority of people against progress every time. Tyrone needs the tax revenue badly, as does every small city or town. Right now the biggest growth industry are firearms and trying to get range time is like trying to get on a ride at Six Flags.. You are going to wait awhile.

So why do "Citizens" that like the services that a city provides hate the very businesses it takes to make those services available?