PTC family safe after late night home invasion

Marlon D. Jones, 22, of College Park was arrested for participating in a home invasion burglary in the early morning hours of Feb. 24, 2011.

UPDATED Thursday 5:46 p.m. — A home invasion in Peachtree City early Thursday morning resulted in no harm to a family living in the center of the Golfview subdivision off Flat Creek Road. Peachtree City Police have arrested a College Park man in connection to the crime.

Twenty-two-year-old Marlon D. Jones, College Park, has been charged with burglary and loitering and prowling in connection to the crime, according to Peachtree City Police spokesperson Rosanna Dove, whose statement follows below.

The home invasion occurred in the center of the Golfview subdivision off Flat Creek Road at approximately 4 a.m., according to homeowner Alvaro Castillo.
Castillo said his family was asleep at the time of the incident. Castillo and his wife have three young children, ages 4, 1 and 2 months.

Castillo said his wife was awakened to a noise in the house. He got up and headed toward the home’s living area, thinking it might be the 4 year-old. But Castillo checked her room first and found her sleeping. He then gathered the children into a bedroom.

“I closed the door and turned on the light and called 911 but they didn’t leave,” Castillo said of the intruders, at least two of them, that were in his home. “I think they were inside at least 20 minutes.”

Castillo said police arrived within 10 minutes. Though uncertain because he was in the bedroom, Castillo said the intruders left either before police arrived or as they arrived.

Castillo said that items taken from the home included laptop computers, DVDs, a Playstation, a video recorder, various containers of alcoholic beverages, his wallet and family keep-sakes.

He said some of the items were found on a next door neighbor’s driveway after apparently having been dropped as an intruder fled. Castillo added that an intruder’s cell phone battery was found in family’s living room.

Castillo said he was told that one or more of the intruders claimed they were in Peachtree City to visit a McIntosh High School girl who lives in the neighborhood.

The Castillo family moved to Peachtree City from Virginia in August 2010.

The Peachtree City Police Department released the following statement late Thursday afternoon:

On February 24, 2011 at approximately 4:45 a.m., the residents were wakened to unusual noises coming from their basement.

The resident told communications officers that when the light was turned on in the bedroom, the noises in the basement stopped.

Officers responded to the home in just under 2 minutes from the time the call was dispatched.

The home was cleared to ensure that no subjects were located in the residence and the homeowners were safe.

A perimeter around the area was established, and an on-duty Fayette County Sheriff’s Office K9 officer responded to the location to assist in tracking the offender.

While searching the area, officers located a subject who was standing on Pinemount Drive.

Marlon D. Jones, 22, of Yates Road., College Park, Ga., was taken into custody and questioned.

Jones admitted to entering the home, which he believed to be vacant. While in the home, he took an X-Box, a computer, a laser pointer, and liquor.

With the exception of the laser pointer that was in Jones’ possession, all stolen items were located under a tree by officers who were searching the area.

Jones is currently located at the Fayette County Jail. Warrants for Jones are currently pending for loitering and prowling and burglary.

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DLB- Use of force in defense of habitation, self & property

Hey DLB,
Thanks for posting S/B 396.

To all who are interested,
Here are the current laws relating to use of force in Georgia. For more info on gun laws see http://www.georgiapacking.org.

O.C.G.A. § 16-3-23
Use of force in defense of habitation

A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's unlawful entry into or attack upon a habitation; however, such person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:
(1) The entry is made or attempted in a violent and tumultuous manner and he or she reasonably believes that the entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the assault or offer of personal violence;
(2) That force is used against another person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using such force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred; or
(3) The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.
-Last Amended 2006 by Senate Bill 396

O.C.G.A. § 16-3-23.1
No duty to retreat prior to use of force in self-defense

A person who uses threats or force in accordance with Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force as provided in said Code sections, including deadly force.
-Last Amended 2001

O.C.G.A. § 16-3-24
Use of force in defense of property other than a habitation

(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with real property other than a habitation or personal property:
(1) Lawfully in his possession;

(2) Lawfully in the possession of a member of his immediate family; or

(3) Belonging to a person whose property he has a legal duty to protect.

(b) The use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to prevent trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with real property other than a habitation or personal property is not justified unless the person using such force reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
-Last Amended 1968

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-131
Contains definition of a 'forcible felony'

(e) As used in this Code section, the term "forcible felony" means any felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any person and further includes, without limitation, murder; felony murder; burglary; robbery; armed robbery; kidnapping; hijacking of an aircraft or motor vehicle; aggravated stalking; rape; aggravated child molestation; aggravated sexual battery; arson in the first degree; the manufacturing, transporting, distribution, or possession of explosives with intent to kill, injure, or intimidate individuals or destroy a public building; terroristic threats; or acts of treason or insurrection.
-Last Amended 2000

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The resident should have had a firearm on the table by his bed. It is up to each person to protect himself and family while waiting on police. When they are off on radar patrol, that may take some time. The burglars know where the police are that early in the morning.
The biggest problem is keeping these people in jail, instead of turning them loose in a couple weeks with a slap on the wrist.

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never heard so much whining in my life

If you don't want to be stopped by the police follow the law. If you don't like the law write your congress person. You don't get to choose a police force that only catches burglars and doesn't pull you over for your tag light.....they're pulling you over for your tag light to see if you're a burglar. If you don't like the inconvenience of being pulled over and told your light is out move to a city like Atlanta where they don't have time to pull you over because they're chasing the the local crack dealer down your street. If you think a PTC cop is "harrassing" your precious little innocent angel child then complain....they're always recording when they pull you over....if your precious little innocent angel child has a legitimate concern then it will all be on tape.

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A voice of Reason

common tater ~ a voice of reason in a sea of anarchist

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Complaining about the Police is a PTC tradition

Ok, let me see ~ Flat Creek Rd & the shopping center are both in the middle of town ~ right? Too bad the officers are not mind readers. They need to be sitting in the right place at the right time. So problem solved, just stay in the middle of town. Let the north end, south end, east end and west end look after their own self. Simple, just stay in the middle of town.

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If there wasn't so much to complain about the PTCPD, there would be no tradition. I used the middle of town to reference that these perps are not native but had to transverse a large part of the aggressive policing & probable profiling. My point is that there is more money to be made in writing tickets in the daylight than there is in patrolling neighborhoods at night. Sorta, Crime Doesn't Pay.

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bladderq ~ you are so right.

You know now that I think about, I had much rather live in Riverdale or Jonesboro. Much less to complain about the law enforcement there.

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BOLO Perp's Car

What we know about the perp's car..All the lights were in working order including the day-time running lights. Tag light (in full working order)was shinning on a valid tag. All loads were secure. All ladders extending from the vehicle were properly flagged. I can not drive my jalopy w/out being pulled over (2x so far) for some bogus, "Do you know why I stopped you?" AND not at 4 a.m.! So 2 cars came to town in the dead of night & break into a store in a well lite shopping center in the middle of town. Now this, again in the middle of town. So much for preemptive policing.
What are the staffing levels of the PD? My guess more offices out & about when more tickets(= more revenue) can be written. The reverse of 'To Protect & Serve.' Kids say, "Policetree City, To Persecute & Harass"

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Yes, the times they are a changing.

This does it. I'm now officially in the market for a home defense weapon. Any recommendations for a local gun dealer? I like the sound of the described "judge" weapon. Any other suggestions? This incident is going to freak my wife out.

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There are two good gun stores . . .

. . . not too far away. In Fayetteville on hwy 314 a mile or so north of the Pavillion is Autrey's Amory, lots of guns and excellent advice, plus an indoor range where you can test-fire weapons similar to the object of your eye. Another is the AR Bunker just off 34 between PTC and Newnan, about a mile east of I-85, in the strip behind the Dairy Queen.

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First alert provided by ADT.

First alert provided by ADT. First response provided by Bushmaster.

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I was told

I was told by a family friend that is an Officer to shoot them and then
put a tire iron in their hand. And when he said shoot them he didn't mean
in the leg!

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Just yesterday at 8am I saw a

Just yesterday at 8am I saw a "thuggish looking" (not calling the person a thug but he had on the attire they like to wear) person wearing a black hoodie with the hood over his head, crossing Hwy. 54 near the Chick-Fil-A area while looking at his cell phone. I didn't have a good feeling when I saw that for some reason. It made me think of driving through Riverdale where they walk at all hours of the night(I know this from working different shifts in Atlanta). I hated to see it start in Fayetteville and I hate to see it in PTC. Now I'm reading about this incident. It makes me feel sick. I'm so glad no one was hurt. It could happen to any of us so we do need to be prepared.

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....maybe my family will

....maybe my family will finally understand why I carry, even at home and there's always a pistol on a nearby nightstand....even here in good ol' PTC. I've been here since Aug/86 and times, they are a changin'.
Attention Sheeple.....you'd better arm yourselves. Did you notice how long it took the police to get to this location in the middle of PTC? A lot of bad can happen in the 10 minutes that it takes for help to get there.

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Did you read the whole article? Under 2 minutes NOT 10 minutes.
jreXD9 wrote:

....maybe my family will finally understand why I carry, even at home and there's always a pistol on a nearby nightstand....even here in good ol' PTC. I've been here since Aug/86 and times, they are a changin'.
Attention Sheeple.....you'd better arm yourselves. Did you notice how long it took the police to get to this location in the middle of PTC? A lot of bad can happen in the 10 minutes that it takes for help to get there.

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MY bad!!
fiddle wrote:
jreXD9 wrote:

....maybe my family will finally understand why I carry, even at home and there's always a pistol on a nearby nightstand....even here in good ol' PTC. I've been here since Aug/86 and times, they are a changin'.
Attention Sheeple.....you'd better arm yourselves. Did you notice how long it took the police to get to this location in the middle of PTC? A lot of bad can happen in the 10 minutes that it takes for help to get there.

AHA! My bad.....The earlier noting of them arriving "within" 10 minutes jumped out at me. I wondered why it'd take that long practically in the middle of town. Still, arm yourselves, become blindfold familiar with your weapon and practice, practice, practice.

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How does one practice, practice, practice?
Somewhat different when the dude is in the house isn't it?

Just know where it is and how to shoot it and when.

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fiddle, jreXD9

Actually I think the homeowner stated that it about 10 minutes from the time he placed the call that the police arrived. The police said it was 2 minutes from the time that they were dispatched. There would be some time elapsed from the time the call was placed, answered, and enough information given to dispatch. Probably not 8 minutes but some. And you can be killed in 5 minutes.

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911 calls

There are no records that indicate how much time expires from the time 911 is dialed and until the first cop or EMC confronts the reason for being there.

Once dispatched, most of the time anyway, the time expired is very reasonable.

Getting 911, talking, dispatching, though is questionable.

We do expect too much usually if the whole thing takes less than 10 minutes and we are unhappy with that.

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10 minutes is reasonable

10 minutes is reasonable. We can't all have a police car parked in our driveway constantly. But thats not the point. The point is what can happen to you during that 10 minutes if you aren't capable of defending yourself.

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G35

OK let's say they got there in one minute after the call---you are still dead!

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Exactly Round !

Now you get it. Thats why you need to be able to defend yourself!!

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No ~ you are not bad.

I agree with you to be armed and know your gun in the dark.

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I hope they confirmed the

I hope they confirmed the story of why they were in the neighborhood and if this homeowner was targeted for any reason...

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Security

Having lived in a suburb of Los Angeles for over 30 years - with relative safety, I wondered why the developers felt the need to include alarm systems in their new homes in this safe and secure community. Now I understand - and would never go to sleep at night or close my doors without activating the alarm system. It's a sad commentary on the state of things in our country. The family is lucky that these were crooks that were interested in stealing and not drug crazed thugs who would have enjoyed harming and/or killing the family.

Note: Law enforcement in California once told me to make sure the intruder was 'inside' the house before 'shooting' them. Is that true here in Georgia?

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I have a 12 Gauge Alarm...

And it's LOUD.

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Intruders

DM, My understanding of the law here in GA is that the intruder being inside is not a requiremnent to defend yourself. This was expalined to me by a deputy.
Regardless, I firmly believe in the adage of "It is better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6"

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Defending Your Family

Look at this guys mug shot.

At 4:00am, he's not in my home to borrow a cup of sugar. He's there to do harm to me and my family.

I don't have to question him if that's his intentions, he proved that when he broke in.

Therefore, he's dead meat!

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Georgia Self Defense

All,
In Georgia you may defend yourself, others, home and property with deadly force as outlined in Senate Bill 396. You are not required to retreat.

06 SB396/AP
Senate Bill 396
By: Senators Goggans of the 7th, Johnson of the 1st, Williams of the 19th, Whitehead, Sr. of the 24th, Unterman of the 45th and others
AS PASSEDAN ACT

To amend Article 2 of Chapter 3 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to justification and excuse as a defense to certain crimes, so as to provide that a person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; to provide that such person has a right to meet force with force, including deadly force; to provide for civil immunity; to amend Article 1 of Chapter 11 of Title 51 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to general provisions relative to defense to tort actions, so as to provide for civil immunity; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:

SECTION 1.Article 2 of Chapter 3 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to justification and excuse as a defense to certain crimes, is amended by inserting immediately following Code Section 16-3-23 a new Code section to read as follows:"16-3-23.1.A person who uses threats or force in accordance with Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force as provided in said Code sections, including deadly force."

SECTION 2.Said article is further amended by striking in its entirety Code Section 16-3-24.2, relating to immunity from prosecution and exception, and inserting in lieu thereof the following:"16-3-24.2.A person who uses threats or force in accordance with Code Section 16-3-21, 16-3-23, 16-3-23.1, or 16-3-24 shall be immune from criminal prosecution therefor unless in the use of deadly force, such person utilizes a weapon the carrying or possession of which is unlawful by such person under Part 2 or 3 of Article 4 of Chapter 11 of this title."SECTION 3.Article 1 of Chapter 11 of Title 51 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to general provisions relative to defense to tort actions, is amended by striking in its entirety Code Section 51-11-9, relating to immunity from civil liability for threat or use of force in defense of a habitation, and inserting in lieu thereof the following:"51-11-9.A person who is justified in threatening or using force against another under the provisions of Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat from the use of such force and shall not be held liable to the person against whom the use of force was justified or to any person acting as an accomplice or assistant to such person in any civil action brought as a result of the threat or use of such force."

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Its called the "Castle Rule"

Its called the "Castle Rule" which implies your home is your castle and you have the right to defend it. And it does extent to physical property. Someone comes in your home you have good reason to assume someones trying to hurt you.

But you had better have a GOOD reason to protect property such as your car, boat or what ever with Deadly Force, because shooting someone you think is breaking into your car will most likely get you a lawsuit and could land you in prison. "I thought he was was stealing my stuff" is not a defense. Shoot someone over a laptop and you'll be paying big in civil court.

Just remember stuff is just stuff. Stuff can be replaced. Lives can not. No matter how worthless.

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I think you are right, at least as most juries would see it.

I knew a fellow once who had his warehouse broken into and he rigged a shotgun pointed at the door for whomever tried to break it in. It would fire by string!

He did kill a guy later and got in enormous trouble even though he was one of the town fathers! Probation, fine, and service--had he not been an upstanding citizen---who knows?

The law really doesn't make any allowance for upstanding, but so what?

What I don't understand is all this talk on here about how they go about gutting someone with some kind of special ammunition or gun. Even indicate choices of number 1 and two, etc., as to which one will kill sooner.
Braggadocio, methinks. Does anyone think they really have killed a bunch of people and proved their point about the best stuff to kill with?
They are copying Gun Stuff.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm a

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge advocate of protecting what's yours. And gun owners rights. Own a small arsenal myself. But I'm also a big proponent of using common sense. Having a gun for protection is smart, but it doesnt make you a smart gun owner.

If you plan on using a gun for protection you need to know 2 things: 1. the law and b. How to use the damn thing. Know your gun, your ammo, your backstop and most importantly your target. And practice with what you plan to carry.

For those with shotguns: 12 GA 00 Buck will go through standard walls. And through the room behind it. Most ball, bonded and even hollow point handgun rounds will too. 12 GA slugs will go through 3 walls. Drywall does not stop bullets. Think about whos behind the wall.

As for bullets and guns argument, a bullet is a bullet and a gun is a gun. a .22 will kill someone just like a .45.

Like I said know the law and know you can't take the bullet back.

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Insayn, Guns & Bullets

You way "a bullet is a bullet and a gun is a gun, a 22 will kill someone just like a .45."
Not really. There're lots of differences in both guns (caliber) and ammo loads and their effect. A .22 can surely kill but how effectively depends on distance & impact area--factors not so critical with a .45.

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shot placement. you are correct though, a .45 causes massive trauma and hemorrhage a 22 not so much. But if you hit something in the right place with a rock they don't get back up. Same thing with bullets.

In all reality chances are you are not going to stop someone with any handgun with the first few rounds unless you hit the right spot ( ever have to track a deer after a clean shot through the heart?).

Now i pose this question? If the world came to a screeching halt tomorrow and you had to hunt and defend yourself what would you pick?

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Insayn & Weapon Choices

Won't comment on your question, will only say that if a person or persons invade my home uninvited at some odd hour, they will not like their greeting and will most likely not be able to give the Citizen a first-person interview.

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Hunting and picking
Quote:

If the world came to a screeching halt tomorrow and you had to hunt and defend yourself what would you pick?

I would defend myself by putting a sign that says "Free gunpowder" over a quicksand pit, and then go get me some honey.

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Well played sir. Well

Well played sir. Well played.

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Thanks for the info. I agree with the '12'!!!!

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I used to think that those on here advocating carry permits were a bit soft in the noggin. Well no more.... load em up! BTW, I do own guns from my hunting days and plan to keep them. Oh, is 30 to over 50 year old ammo any good or will I just get a little click?

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I have fired ammo that was made during WW2 as recently as last year but for personal protection I highly recommend new, this is what I keep locked and loaded http://www.winchester.com/products/handgun-ammunition/supreme-elite/bond... -GP

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I load the no-longer-sold-to-civilians Winchester Black Talon. Stocked up pretty heavy when Winchester announced years ago they were pulling them from the consumer market. It's a nasty round of hate ready to rip someone's guts out and put them down immediately, which is what I think about when it comes to self-protection.

Still, in the home and close quarters and a high pressure situation, the shotgun is King.

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GP thanks for the link

Didn't think there were 16 ga. shells available any longer. Thought that link may have some info on the consequences of using old ammo, but couldn't find any. You seem to be pretty knowledgable about this topic, so can you enlighten me to the potential problems of using it. Just recalling where some of my stash came from and realized my grandfather gave me a box of rifled slugs with the 16 ga. he gave me when I turned 12 (hunting age in PA). Don't know how long he had them before that. I test fired several of them around that time (59 years ago) and still have a couple left. Often wondered what would happen if I tried to fire one. Can't see where anything could happen while chambered, but if misfired could it go off when ejected? Rifle ammo (.308) is pushing 30 years and are reloads by a buddy of mine who was into that. Have no handguns, but have considered it from time to time over the years, more so recently. Thought about a 22lr/22mag convertible for something cheap to plink with and also have a little punch. Unfortunately I just did a search and found out they are no longer made. If you have a few minutes I'd appreciate your thoughts (or links to info). Thanks again.

Geez, being one of his favorite topics, this is probably where Bomks head explodes.

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First of all I am not an expert,I just was raised hunting/fishing and had a short stint in the military. My first advise is to absolutely NEVER depend on old ammo for defense. John Browning's 1911 design in 45 ACP is my first choice for close self defense and depending on the situation a Remington 12 Ga 870 riot gun. Most will say to choose a wheel gun of at least 38 cal for dependability and I have no problem with that, I just like the 1911 because 40 years ago I was on a pistol team with that weapon. You can check some gun reviews out here: http://www.christiangunowner.com/ You can still buy 16 ga ammo and that will stop the perps http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=502 If you are interested in a concealed carry permit you might want to check out http://www.georgiacarry.org/ Last but not least, I have a problem right now with the NRA, last summer they caved on some legislation that I thought should have been fought harder for, I still support them but also really like this association's defense of the 2nd http://gunowners.org/ Goodluck -GP

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My, my all this talk of what kills people the deadest and has the most knock-down power.
I sure would like to know how many people you have knocked-down and killed with all those pistols. Had to be a lot in order to get that much lab-note research done!
And you never got sued or arrested?

Maybe you just read it somewhere!

Personally, I always found an oak 2x4 the best thing to use in a knock-down drag out fight. don't fool around though, hit them hard across the head or spine just the second you see trouble. He might have one of those 2lr/22mag convertible Fords!

Another thing that used to work pretty well was an old fashioned long-neck heavy, re-usable beer bottle (.05 return credit). Even if it broke the broken glass left would cut a man to pieces.

With them there .45s, I discovered that I couldn't hit the side of a big barn past 15 yards. I avoided them in the military. No 9mm then!
But I'm pretty good with a 12 gauge double-ought buckshot double barrel load!
Other than that my pea-shooter 7mm Italian Navy 8-clip and one in the chamber is fine for close range!
I can strike a match stuck up on a post with it at 40 feet. It fits perfectly in my shoulder holster right under my arm pit, and doesn't wear me out carrying it around.

I preferred either 20 Gage or .410 shotguns for squirrel hunting. Took a 12 gauge to knock a rabbit down while hopping! #4 or # 5 shot--#8 for birds.

I never killed a Bambi, but I liked .30-.30 for noise and target practice.

Best one though would be a 50 Cal mounted and pointed at your bedroom door!
There would be a lot of home repair however.

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I'll stick with my trusty mini...

which uses good old urban renewal ammunition. I also have several of the once illegal magazines. ;-)

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For personal protection, TinCan . . .

. . . you don't want anything smaller than 9mm. Most experienced law enforcement types like a .45 and think double-tap for double knock-down power. Smith & Wesson has a nice new lightweight .38 special revolver with a laser sight built-in at the factory, very nice smooth trigger pull, or you can get a .357 that also fires .38 special. My favorite is The Judge, a Taurus 5-shot revolver that fires either (1) .45 long Colt - lots of knockdown power, or (2) 2 1/1" .410 shells. And you can mix as you like, and the popular home-defense load is 2 .410 rounds followed by 3 .45 LC rounds. That means you have a wider shot pattern 1st two shots with less wall-penetration and therefore less collateral damage potential, followed by three very lethal shots if the 1st two don't stop the perp. The reason this pistol is called The Judge is so many judges carry it under their robes. BTW The Judge has a comfy rubber-ribbed grip that absorbs the kick and it doesn't bite nearly as much as I expected. Finally, if you follow your nose on-line you can download the 2 pages of a simple form necessary to obtain a concealed carry permit. But in GA your auto is considered an extension of your home for firearm purposes and you can carry it in the car without a permit. That's probably more than you wanted to know.

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Mr. Garlock

I agree with the .357 recommendation. Mine is a Python, hollow point (before restrictions imposed) rare but lethal.

I also have a legal short barrel tactical 12 gauge 9 round auto reload,locked and loaded with double aught, just pull the trigger, no more home invader. This will be my first line of defense, then the .357.

I just pray I never have to use either one but I will to defend my family.

One rule of engagement for those reading these posts on weapons, make certain you absolutely know that someone is in your home that is not one of your family members, make no mistakes and think before you pull the trigger.

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PTC Observer and GA Patriot: EXCELLENT advice and info.Thanks

I agree that it is very important to know that you aren't about to shoot one of your kid's friends or a family member home unexpectedly. But NOTHING is more important than protecting our families. I, by no means, would consider someone a "sheep" (reference the "sheeple" comment above) for not wanting to pack heat, but I do hope we can send a message to these criminals that they may forfeit their lives trying to get a free laptop.

My experience with The PTCPD WRT their reaction times to calls and ADT alarms has been 100% Excellent. The only negative thing I have to say about our police officers is they put up way too much of a fight when you buy them lunch or coffee. But don't take no for an answer. Shove the cash in the cofee barrista's hand or the waiter/waitress', and there aint nothin them cops can do :-). Glad this family is okay. And I hope shabba Ranks lookin dude in the picture gets use to wearing pumps and lipstick for his cell mate.

Cheers bloggers

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I'm shocked..

It would have been better if this guy had just been shot entering the home.

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AGREED!

But with "no injuries", therefore leaving no bill for his medical needs. (that we as the tax payers would have picked up)

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SickNTired09 - agreed

The proper homeowner response would not leave the purp requiring any medical expenses beyond the autopsy. :)

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MajorMike

The cost of a Coroner doing his/her work is much less.

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With all due respect,

in this day an age I hate to say it but I agree. The way that I see it, there would have to be either no injuries or justified self defense that resulted in the intruders death. The grey area between the two leaves too much room for lawsuits and for the criminal to still 'win'. Besides, if it was justified self defense wouldn't that save everyone money and the hassle of all that paperwork? I am very glad that everyone was safe, especially with the children being around. As for the potential of a homeowner being sued, why not try to sue the criminal for emotional damages, distress, and property damage?

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