PTC economy guru to focus on retail, industry

Helping improve Peachtree City’s retail economy is one of the larger tasks on the plate of Joey Grisham, the city’s newly-hired economic development coordinator.

Grisham also said he is looking forward to “getting to know” local industries and identifying any expansion plans to determine how the city can assist those companies.

As a retail market consultant, Grisham has developed a large network of contacts with realtors, developers, site location consultants, retailers, and corporations that will be of benefit to Peachtree City, officials said.

Grisham will be working on a long-range economic development strategic plan in conjunction with the Development Authority of Peachtree City and the Fayette County Development Authority to “enhance the business climate,” city officials said.

Another task Grisham will undertake is creating professional marketing materials and updates to the city’s website to include more economic development information to help recruit new businesses to the community.

Grisham previously worked in Keller, Texas, which coincidentally was named the 7th Best Place to Live by MONEY Magazine, just ahead of Peachtree City in 8th place.

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Haddix: Final Post

I guess a lot of you will be very surprised when the packet comes out about the changes to the GC for the March 3rd Council Meeting and the LUC for the March 17th.

I have been pushing for these changes for a long time.

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Haddix, who was surprised?

I thought you were going to wet yourself when Doug voted against you on this.

The video of you, mouth open, aghast as Doug voted against you. Priceless!

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Final Post: Haddix

Thank you Don. Making a final post and deciding not to continue the silly debating on here is certainly the correct decision. I applaud you for rising above the fray and making the tough decision to make your final post, well, final. Thank you for your leadership. And thank you for the decision to curtail posting on here and restoring some dignity to the Mayor's office.

This makes you better and certainly more mature than Steve Brown. Keep up the good work and the decision to make that last post your final one. You da man!

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Robert W Morgan and Hutch

I'll take some that bet too.

He'll be back - its a personality defect.

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Final post means on the subject, not on the site. He's given me that a couple of times, even told me what my position is on something, when all I did was point out the double standard he uses. Bet you a pitcher of beer, of your choice, at the Taco Mac, that we'll see him again on here.

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RWM, Hutch

I'm with Hutch on this one and I'll put up a pitcher should Donnie refrain for thirty days.

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hutch, King, Galant, others - It is Day #2 already!

For the record his final post was Tuesday 2/22 at 8:11PM. That means the 30 days are up on Thursday March 24 at 8:11PM. Let's just round that off to 5PM that same day so that whoever is buying beer can do so that very same day. Better than getting into Friday and the weekend.

See you then.

It seems I'm the only one convinced Haddix meant what he said. I could use some support here.

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Robert W Morgan

You may be right, but I bet you he is reading the blogs and is pissed because we are making an ass out of him...however, I might be wrong, I may not get it!

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No way man. Don't burst my bubble, hutch

Final means final, finished, over, outa here, done, no mas. I have such high hopes that he has seen the light and will not come back here. After all, Haddix and Brown are the only 2 that blog on here, so it is a minority position. No other city council people, no other county commissioners, no one from Fayetteville, Tyrone or even the school board. Surely Haddix realizes this and has decided to be one of the grownups.

I do hope you are wrong and will bet, but what is a Taco Mac?

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RWM

Eating place in PTC, offers about any kind of beer you would want, on draft, with mediocre food, located near the Longhorn.

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Got it Hutch. Good beer, baad food

Think not for me. Last beer I had was 1980, but I'll buy you one if His Honor Mayor Haddix does not keep his promise to quit these blogs. Since we can't have a bet or anything that stays forever, how about 30 days? If he is truly addicted to this stuff, that would cover the 28-day cure plus 2 at home. Seem fair to You?

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Not baaad food, just mediocre, at least the food I've had. 30 days works for me. Here's your chance Mayor to cost me some beer.

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Any kind of BEER

you want. Yep, that about describes it. What more could you ask for?

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Don,

This certainly is a tough crowd to please, but pretty easy to entertain, and what enthusiasm! Just look at how many responses each one of your posts generates.

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What is a Taco Mac?

It is a place that serves red-nek food. Hot stuff mad out of chicken wings and donkey-burger.
Some used to eat there sometimes and alternately at Melears!

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Robert W Morgan

Thank you for applauding him for rising above the fray....this was definately getting silly....

But can you tell me what Mayor Haddix has accomplished since being elected?

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His decision to stop posting here counts as an accomplishment

It is great that he has sworn off his excessive blogging and seems to realize how undignified all that was. Other accomplishments - not too sure, but at least now he will have more time to hone his leadership skills. He may even be able to meet with each of the other council members to establish a better working relationship. There is hope GAlant, anything is possible. Mr. Haddix may have made a mid-term adjustment and is going to drop the ego and arrogance and become a real leader and a tru team player.

BTW, stop asking him about his accomplishments. He may come back. We don't really want that. Let him govern in peace. I mean he did say it was his final post, didn't he? If he does what he said we will all be better off.

The same thing seems to have happened to Steve Brown. He is notably absent from here recently. Dare we hope he has found himself and is living in the land of maturity?

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You are right...thank you...you are a great voice of reason.

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Haddix wil never stay off this thing

Robert,

This is like heroin to Haddix. He'll be out of rehab and back on here in less that a week. His rationale will be that it was his final comment on that particular subject.

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Mayor

Almost four years as an elected official and you are going to announce an update to two outdated city ordinances? Booth civics students would have taken much less time.

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Haddix-Please post your accomplishments

Hey Don

Instead of playing this game, why not answer the question...Let's stick with the focus of this discussion. You can fool some with this but not all

Please post everything you have accomplished since you were elected mayor of Peachtree City.

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GAItant

Don't blink, else you'll miss the whole thing!

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Its actually amusing...

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GAItant

He reminds me of an old saying: "If he had a brain, he'd be caught taking it out and playing with it."

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Mike King

You need to reread your own post. I must say though, I certainly agree with you.

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Major Mike
Please tell me what makes Haddix such a great mayor?

Can you tell me one thing he has accomplished as mayor besides the dog leash law.

I don't quite understand your stats regarding retail occupancy. You mention Sears as though Fayetteville had something to do with that.
My eyes may be brown but yours appeared cross eyed in confusion.

Also, the mayor has expressed his lack of interest in big box retailers..although Fresh Market is in fact a big box retailer.

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Haddix: GAltant - Wrong Again

Fresh Market, Best Buy, Petsmart, Kroger, Publix and many others are not Big Boxes. The Bowling Alley will actually be larger than some of these, but it is not a Big Box either.

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Mayor doesn't know what his own city ordinances say

“Fresh Market, Best Buy, Petsmart, Kroger, Publix and many others are not Big Boxes. The Bowling Alley will actually be larger than some of these, but it is not a Big Box either.”

Mr. Mayor please just quit making stuff up as you go.

Kroger on Crosstown, 60,000+ sq.ft.
Kroger on PTC Parkway North, 60,000+ sq.ft.
Publix on Hwy. 74 South, 60,000+ sq.ft.
(As per city staff: “The site plans for the Publix at Wilshire were submitted to the city prior to the 32,000 Big Box ordinances and therefore it was exempt.”)

What part of the below PTC City Ordinance states that the Kroger’s and Publix’s aren’t classified as ‘Big Boxes’?

Sec. 1006. - GC general commercial district.
The city council does hereby find that, based upon studies conducted on behalf of the city and by other cities, big box developments, typically over 32,000 square feet for an individual business, and developments with over 150,000 square feet of retail space…

(1006.2) Permitted uses: The following uses shall be permitted in any GC zoning district:

(a)Retail business involving the sale of merchandise on the premises, provided no single tenant, owner, occupant, or business occupies more than 10,000 square feet, as follows:

Item (22) Food and/or grocery stores.

(1006.3) Conditional uses: The following uses shall be permitted in any GC zoning district on a conditional basis:

Item (2) No single commercial tenant, owner, occupant, or business shall occupy more than 32,000 square feet of floor area.

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bad MIKE

Doesn't it say gocery stores can occupy GC?
If not I'll get a lawyer to read it next time.

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GAltant: Haddix - Sorry you are wrong! AGAIN

Big box retailers are defined in 2 main categories...

1-General merchandise - 50,000 sq. feet to 200,000 sq. feet

2-Category killers - 20,000 sq feet to 120,000 sq. feet
BEST BUY is listed by most as a BIG BOX.

Here is just one defination of many for you to look at:
http://www.uchastings.edu/site_files/cslgl/plri_big_box_paper_04.pdf

I know you always have to be right, and always have to have the first and last word on issues...but you need to focus on getting the correct facts.

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The numbers you referenced are from that link you gave.

I am very aware of that study but it is not the accepted definition or norm.

So again your misrepresenting things, this time what the report stated. The opening sentence to that section is:
There is no single definition of big box retail, but most definitions tend to focus on the square footage of retail outlets as rather than the items sold inside the stores.

It does not state one fixed size for nationwide as your trying to claim. Nor is it accurate to say what is sold in the stores is not a consideration. As in a department store and a grocery store are different.

As for Best Buy, the currently build stores at 20,000, 30,000 and 45,000 but have existing stores at 58,000 sq'. Ours is 30,050 sq'.

My facts are correct. I have studied this issue far more than you have and talked to researchers and other experts.

You still have not given the key part of the definition of a Big Box.

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DON HADDIX- Why won't you answer the question

Mr Haddix

Its amazing how easy it is to draw you out into the open where you go back and forth trying to prove that you are an expert on stuff.

Always trying to win the argument and have the last word, but meanwhile you still have not addressed the main question

SINCE BEING ELECTED MAYOR...WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN RELATION TO YOUR VISION FOR CITY.

Why are you not answering....???

Researching topics and claiming to be more expertise on one particular issue over another is nice, but if you do not have the leadership skills to work with city hall and city council to guide the city on those expertises, translating them into your vision for the city that can be shared by city hall and city council...well then nothing get accomplished.

Many might be fooled by your posts, and some may believe that you are the best mayor this city has had...but what are you going to do when you run for re-election and people ask for you to review your accomplishments.
Are you going to blame the city council?

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Haddix

"I am very aware of that study but it is not the accepted definition or norm."

So I guess the real authority is you Don? Now, if those same sources pissed down your back and told you it was raining, would they be correct?

"My facts are correct. I have studied this issue far more than you have and talked to researchers and other experts."

And are we supposed to classify you among those experts, or simply the clown who got himself elected by his peers to represent our county only to have himself unelected by those who chose him in the first place?

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Big Box, Little Box

Semantics is all you have going for you. Come on mayor, get a life! Of course we are to use YOUR definition. I guess that's a pretty big deal when one has nothing else going for them.

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ROUNDABOUT - Are you kidding about the Mayor List

Roundabout...where have you been the last year...
I'll give you a list

Let's start with

1-LOW TEMP - The mayor worked in secret, without any involvement of city council on trying to lure LOW TEMP here...after Fayette County turned them down. He did it to look like a hero (our own LONE RANGER) and to take the DAPTC look good. Then, when he unleashed LOW TEMP on the city agencies, no one knew what to do and the issues popped up about the sewer lines, the special lanes on 74 that were needed and a host of other issues.
POOR LEADERSHIP

2-Since taking office, he has not once met with each council member to welcome them and try to build concensus with each member with the goal of team work to lead our city.
POOR LEADERSHIP

3-Recently, he violated the city charter as it relates to the personnel review of the city manager and then did everything in his power to push him out of office. He did not involve city council.
POOR LEADERSHIP

4-At meetings, he fights with city council, shuts down discussions when they don't go HIS way and pretty much tries to manage under the prinicple that if he keeps everyone in the dark on issues..he can push through his personal agenda...try attending a city council meeting.
POOR LEADERSHIP

5-He opens his big mouth when he should not, mis-quotes facts and tries to act like a leading authority when he has limited information forcing other city council members to call him out on his "misleading factoids".
POOR LEADERSHIP

6-When appointed to represent the county on transportation issues, he totally embarrassed the county and Peachtree City so he was recalled and pulled off the committee.
POOR LEADERSHIP

7-At a recent city council meeting he would not allow city council members to amend the last council minutes based upon his mis-quote regarding the tax increase.

I can go on...and I am sure others will chime in and add to this list...But our mayor has NO LEADERSHIP SKILLS and I suspect he has no leadership experience....That's what Peachtree City needs.

Maybe you are OK with with "loose cannon" in office with no leadership skills in office...

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GAltant - Your hate, spews, and rants

If Mayor Haddix is a loose canon then you would be a child's cap gun on full auto. In short; you're so full of it that you're eyes are brown and you're so full of hate that you're incapable if dealing with it in any productive fashion. Additionally, you appear to be operating with an agenda that you're not honest enough to disclose.

While I disagree mightily with Mayor Haddix on several issues (and let him know it), Low Temp was not one of them. Low Temp was a non-starter at the County or City level. Past that, your enumerated points bear no attention other than laughter. You want a bad Mayor then check out Fayetteville. Last year Fayetteville announced that retail vacancy had gone from 25% to 30%. Since then Sears (8000sq.ft), Woodworld (10,000 Sq.ft.)and numerous smaller retail establishments have closed. Compton's (?sq.ft.) has announced that they are closing. Retail vacancy is estimated to be near 40% when that happens. Mayor Steele gets his head handed to him at the GOP breakfast after lying about his position on mass transit.

While far from perfect, Haddix is probably the best Mayor we have had since before Lenox. Your buddy the lush was probably the worst.

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Every statement you made is false. The easiest to prove is point 7. Go look, it was amended, which does not mean what I said was in error.

One time I called one Council Member out of order. In the same Meeting he later apologized for his words.

Your first contact was an email to Council in 2009, after I declared to run for Mayor, where you wanted then Mayor Logsdon to tell me to shut up about opposing Callula Hills. That was asking for something illegal.

You then claimed to represent a group working against my election who was going to field candidates. But when you were challenged to name the group, you went silent.

Disagree with me if you like, but be truthful. You have a two year history of not doing so.

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Haddix

So you are saying that it is untrue that you were removed from the regional transportation committee by your own Council initially, and ultimately by the mayors of Fayette County.

Unbelievable!

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Haddix

Care to comment on #3? Vanessa Fleisch said that you were the only member of Council to do Bernie's evaluation and that isn't what the charter states should be the case at all.

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Don, I know you disagree..

But you belittle yourself and the Office of Mayor debating with someone on these blogs. Especially a post such as one above. You can't win. You don't seem to want recognize that.

What's the old saying..."a bit dog hollers". You seem to prove that over and over.

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Galtant:THE HADDIX CHALLENGE

Mr Haddix, not one statement I have made is false regarding your leadership.

Here you go trying to turn the situation around which you are infamous for.
I am sorry that you have to resort to these tatics every time you are challenged. You attack like a rabid dog...

You are confusing your twisted world of politics when I am identifying real leadership issues that as mayor you have failed on.

Yes, the people of Peachtree City need to start thinking about the upcoming elections...and about how this city should grow and be led.

I'm glad in your post to ROUNDABOUT that you identified the importance having a vision. Every leader needs a vision and as mayor you need to identify yours.

Unfortunately, you have failed to deliver on your vision because of you inability to lead....if you disagree (and I hope you do) then tell us again what that vision is and what you have accomplished towards that vision.

Post here on The Citizen blog, your list of accomplishments since taking office as mayor. I am more than happy to stand corrected and apologize if I am wrong...and I might very well be wrong.

Please post

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Roundabout...where have you been the last year...
I'll give you a list

Let's start with

1-LOW TEMP - The mayor worked in secret, without any involvement of city council on trying to lure LOW TEMP here...after Fayette County turned them down. He did it to look like a hero (our own LONE RANGER) and to take the DAPTC look good. Then, when he unleashed LOW TEMP on the city agencies, no one knew what to do and the issues popped up about the sewer lines, the special lanes on 74 that were needed and a host of other issues.
POOR LEADERSHIP

2-Since taking office, he has not once met with each council member to welcome them and try to build concensus with each member with the goal of team work to lead our city.
POOR LEADERSHIP

3-Recently, he violated the city charter as it relates to the personnel review of the city manager and then did everything in his power to push him out of office. He did not involve city council.
POOR LEADERSHIP

4-At meetings, he fights with city council, shuts down discussions when they don't go HIS way and pretty much tries to manage under the prinicple that if he keeps everyone in the dark on issues..he can push through his personal agenda...try attending a city council meeting.
POOR LEADERSHIP

5-He opens his big mouth when he should not, mis-quotes facts and tries to act like a leading authority when he has limited information forcing other city council members to call him out on his "misleading factoids".
POOR LEADERSHIP

6-When appointed to represent the county on transportation issues, he totally embarrassed the county and Peachtree City he was recalled and pulled off the committee.
POOR LEADERSHIP

7-At a recent city council meeting he would not allow city council members to amend the last council minutes based upon his mis-quote regarding the tax increase.

I can go on...and I am sure others will chime in and add to this list...But our mayor has NO LEADERSHIP SKILLS and I suspect he has no leadership experience....That's what Peachtree City needs.

Maybe you are OK with with "loose cannon" in office with no leadership skills in office...

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Galt: the Mayor

Everything you mentioned has to do with leadership decisions that went a way other than you like.

Decisions is a Mayor's job.

There isn't much time any more to smile, meet, and make every one happy. That would be the Mayors of old!

Maybe the new City Manager will relieve him of some of the nitty-gritty stuff. We need a City Manager type government anyway. Get rid of some of the politics.

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Roundabout - response on The Mayor

Hi Roundabout

Listed below is an interesting book that you might want to read.

http://www.crcpress.com/product/isbn/9781420068313

To be a successful leader in today's environment you can not employ machavillain tactics and expect to succeed. This book discusses facilitative leadership as a style.

In PTC, city government consists of 5 with a majority rule. We do not have an autocratic leader who makes the decisions. That means the children need to play nice in the sandbox and find a way to lead together, or atleast 3 out of 5. If you don't play nice you end up on the losing end everytime...as a council person and now as a mayor.

http://www.facilitativeleader.com/frset_fl.htm

Read it you will enjoy it.

And, here is "food for thought"....realizing how our city government is set up...anyone who wants to be mayor, if they are really serious about having a vision and moving our city into the future, needs to set aside ego and politics and learn how to build a team sharing a common goal and vision. They have to be a team player to make it happen and lead by example to win over the others. Isn't that what real leaders do?

You can't be a bully, dig in and fight...otherwise you accomplish nothing and go nowhere especially since you do not have the authority to act alone....

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Roundabout: The Mayor

Sorry...not true!

This has nothing to do with the decisions or my personal opinion on those decisions. Not quite sure how you jumped to that wild conclusion...

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Galtant

I can only conclude with your evaluation of Seven (7) "Poor Leaderships,"
that it is a personal thing.

Arguing with council and others is his job!

If they don't want what he does they can not vote for it!

It is not a popularity contest and if others vote against him for not being popular---they are wrong, weren't elected to do that.

I don't know many myself who thinks he is unpopular! A few on here which doesn't say very much.

If I were the Mayor, I wouldn't participate here except to make statements.

What have you wanted out of him he hasn't done his best at doing? Smiles?

DIOGENES

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Amazing

"Economic Develop" has been the key to making PTC and Fayette County what it is. I'm amazed at those who do not get it, we should be excited we have Grisham and the potential he brings for our city.

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PTC Economic Developer Strategic Plan

"Grisham will be working on a long-range economic development strategic plan in conjunction with the Development Authority of Peachtree City and the Fayette County Development Authority to enhance the business climate city officials said."

Good luck Mr. Grisham. I sincerely hope you are successful in your new job.

However, if that is the strategic plan, I would say the first order of business for you is to keep our anti-growth/anti-business/anti-retail Mayor locked up and muzzled at City Hall. The man who apparently thinks we elected him King instead of Mayor has done more to damage PTC's business climate and reputation as a place to do business than all other Mayors combined....yes...even more than The Brown Clown!

Such a small headed man!

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born and other mayor blasters

I would like a list of the bad things the mayor has done to "damage PTC business climate and reputation" in his short time as mayor.

Only possible one I remember was that factory from Jonesboro who wanted a lot of money spent for sewer, etc., and I think Tax breaks.

I'm not even sure he was against that--I remember others moaning about the low paying laborers it would bring! It is amazing we can get anything in this recession!

Maybe I ignored them all?

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On development I have supported DAPC for over 3 years, voted to hire Joey and am working with him already on some ideas.

So far I have worked on getting DAPC up and running and working with them on getting the Braelin redevelopment done, the Glenloch redevelopment underway, getting Fresh Market here, getting the presence of two colleges and one tech school here, finalizing the Sany project, have a bowling alley coming to town and more.

Low Temp was a disappointment. It is a great company I would love to have here but they just wanted more breaks than was possible for everyone involved to give.

Another disappointment was not to get DAPC funded with Joey working with them. As an authority Director he would have had more ability and scope to do things than as a Economic Development Coordinator.

Never did Kohl's or Sam's Club want to come here and I am not going to do the economic discussions yet again about Big Boxes. That has been beat to death already.

To fill retail you have to have disposable income. To have disposable income you have to have jobs that pay sufficiently for people to live here. Jobs is goal number one.

The days of being a commuter based City are gone. All the stats are there for over ten years now showing that reality. School enrollment has been in decline since before I was first elected. Our fastest growing demographic is 55 plus, meaning a lot of retirees.

So, those wanting to just keep building anything and everything and making PTC larger and larger are not going to agree with me. But that does not make me anti-business, it makes a Smart Growth defender of our City.

With this being an election year people need to seriously start thinking about where they want PTC to go and who will be the best to elect to get us there. It really is up to the voters to make that decision.

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"So far I have worked on getting DAPC up and running...."

Really? Up and running? Uh, Donnie....hate to tell you but they have been completely defunded. The only "running" I see with DAPC is in the ground. And that is no knock on the DAPC volunteers. God bless 'em for what they have tried to accomplish. But they have been completely neutered by Council.

"Never did Kohl's or Sam's Club want to come here..."

Really? Well, gee wonder why?? With the attitude coming out of City Hall about no more retail or development, why bother when you know the Mayor is going to knock your nose out of joint when he opens the door.

"To fill retail you have to have disposable income. To have disposable income you have to have jobs that pay sufficiently for people to live here. Jobs is goal number one."

Really? Then why is Grisham focusing on retail? Perhaps in your "working with Joey on some ideas" you may want to reorient his priorities away from retail and toward job growth so there is more disposable income for retail.

"The days of being a commuter based City are gone. All the stats are there for over ten years now showing that reality."

Really? What stats are you looking at? Seems I recall the stats I last saw were that approximately 60% - 70% of PTC/FC residents are commuting out of county. Most of them to Fulton/Clayton County.

"So, those wanting to just keep building anything and everything and making PTC larger and larger are not going to agree with me. But that does not make me anti-business, it makes a Smart Growth defender of our City."

Really? Best I can tell, there is NO growth taking place in PTC that I see....smart, dumb or otherwise. Just stores and restaurants closing at an alarming rate. And whether or not you want to admit it, yes, the closing of retail establishments will only increase with the opening of the Sam's Club. The Newnan and Senoia restaurants are floushing and when the movie theater opens up in the next month or so, you will also see more discretionary income that maybe would have been spent here in PTC also heading over the county line to Coweta.

"With this being an election year people need to seriously start thinking about where they want PTC to go and who will be the best to elect to get us there. It really is up to the voters to make that decision."

Well what do you know...Donnie finally says something in his post that is absolutely spot on. Rising property taxes and water bills due to Donnie's aversion to growth, empty store fronts, an inactive industrial park (where are those jobs Doug promised with that change in some tax credit thing at the industrial park?), sales tax revenues flooding out of the city/county over to Coweta, restaurants closing up right and left, declining school enrollment and aging city population, yes indeed it is up to the voters to decide who best to elect and right this ship. And I don't think it is our current small headed mayor, his lap dog Doug and the rest of the current Council Clowns.

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Mayoral Bovine Excrement

"The days of being a commuter based City are gone." Should this be true, then who is it that travels Hwy 74 Monday thru Friday? Are you saying that those commuters are going the way of dinosaurs? Pray tell, what jobs does Peachtree City have to keep them here? Perhaps we can all work at Kroger.

"School enrollment has been in decline since before I was first elected." Finally you have admitted something that your citizens have been telling you for awhile now. With school attendance in decline, population growth stagnant, and an aging population, why has the cost city government remained constant?

You, sir, are a disappointment.

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Days of commuting gone? LOL

First, you bring all these rumored high-paying jobs to PTC(or FC for that matter), THEN people won't have any financial need to commute. Until then, it's still going to be a city where the majority are commuting out of FC to their workplace.

The reason that PTC/FC has a declining school enrollment is that families can't justify living here any more in the overall cost/benefit analysis. It's also why some areas of FC are going into the crapper right now because their property values have gone to hell and aren't coming back, so people are bailing out.

Now, I know Brown wants PTC to be a retirement community and I think Haddix is drifting to that same line of illogical fantasy, but who is supposed to pay for that? If anyone thinks retirees/seniors want to move into a community with rising taxes and service cuts, think again.

I will tell you how much voice the seniors have in PTC....just bring up The Gathering Place expansion(which was programmed into the city's budget 10 years ago and never happened) and see the reaction.

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Commuting

About everyone I know commutes out of the county, often quite far in order to provide for their living here. Most feel as I do that it's worth it because PTC is such a great place to raise kids.

It'd be wonderful to have more local corporate jobs but unfortunately the south side of the metro area is a pretty tough sell. I do expect that to change but it's going to take many years.

Steve

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Yes, it will take time. But we better start working on it now or we will be left out in the cold.

It will be great, as you said. More and more companies are moving away from the idea you have to be in a big city. Cities who see that and strive to welcome those companies will be the winners.

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Thank you Mayor

For the good things.

I am sure we will read here soon all of the terrible things you have done.

Citizen_Steve
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Yes thank you Mayor Haddix

I really appreciate Mayor Haddix's willingness to share what he thinks and to address our concerns while knowing that venues like this are ripe for cheap shots and petty lists of grievances.

Our Mayor is a real stand-up guy.

Steve

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Death Knell For DAPC?

Well this should do it for DAPC. With no budget to work with and Grisham on the job watch the Commission move to disband the already neutered authority.

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We can only hope, the fact that Mr. Grisham will be working on "long term planning" doesn't bode well for the taxpayers pocketbook. Looks like another do nothing job that we will pay for for years with no results.

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Looks like another do nothing job that we will pay for for years with no results.

Gotta love it: the art of making doing nothing appear to be the very epitome of wisdom.

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Carbon

If one considers that a plurality of government workers exists solely to justify their existence to each other while providing no tangible service to the public, then PTCO would have a point. But then, is that not the essence of a government bureaucracy?