Commission OK’s five-district map; retains at-large voting process

Despite several concerns that the process was “rushed” with little advance notice, a new voting district map was approved tonight by the Fayette County Commission.

The map breaks the county into five separate county commission districts but the commission will retain at-large voting, which allows all voters the ability to vote on all five county commission races.

County officials said the map needed to be approved tonight in time to submit the next day for consideration by the Georgia legislature. The legislature’s deadline to accept such matters is February 15, officials said.

As to why the maps haven’t been discussed by the commission in public before last week’s announcement of the matter, several officials noted that the maps were tied at least in part with the ongoing district voting lawsuit filed in federal court by the Fayette County branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

That lawsuit wants to force the county to adopt district voting, which would limit all county voters to vote only for the commission seat correlating with where they live, instead of the current process that allows all county residents to vote on all five commission races.

The NAACP argues that district voting creates a more fair opportunity for a minority to become elected to the commission by creating a special voting district that features a “majority minority” voting block.

Under the new five-district map, if approved by the legislature and the U.S. Justice Department in coming months, all five commission seats would be tied to a particular geographic district, meaning that potential candidates must live in the district for which they are seeking to be elected.

Currently, there are only three geographic districts with such a requirement; the remaining two commission seats are “at-large” meaning they are available for any candidate in the county irregardless of where he or she lives.

Commission Chairman Herb Frady defended residents’ current ability to vote on all five commission seats, saying that if he has the power to vote to spend the county’s money, all voters should be able to have a say on whether he is elected to office or not.

Commissioner Lee Hearn said he has worked for several governments where district voting was in place, and those elected officials were more concerned with what was happening in their district than doing what is best for the county as a whole.

“I think as Americans and as Fayette Countians, we need to look out for what’s best for our entire community,” Hearn said.

County Attorney Scott Bennett said the district map approved by the commission was “balanced” to make sure that nearly the same amount of people live in each district.

Several residents said they felt the board should have waited to resolve the NAACP district voting lawsuit before adopting a new voting map.

Others asked why the topic is only coming up now, having just been announced at last week’s commission meeting and already being up for a vote despite the fact that the Census concluded in 2010.

County Commissioner Steve Brown responded that last year the legislature only wanted to deal with such map change requests from state municipalities since they were to have elections last year. There were no county elections last year, Brown noted, and thus the counties’ requests were pushed off for a decision this year.

The five-district map approved by the commission will retain the process of having the chairman elected each year by his fellow commissioners.
Brown had proposed retaining a three-district system that would have one of the at-large seats dedicated to the chairmanship, which he argued was crucial since the chairman sits on several regional committees making key decisions that directly affect Fayette County.

Brown was unable to win over his fellow commissioners, as he cast the only vote against the five-district map. Voting in favor were Frady, Hearn and Commissioner Robert Horgan. Commissioner Allen McCarty was not present, as he was out of town on a pre-arranged 50th anniversary trip with his wife.

One concern about having voters elect a chairman was that the county could be stuck with a bad selection for four years in a worst case scenario, whereas voters could lobby the commissioners for a change once every year under the current format.

One resident asked if the county could be penalized for failing to adopt the maps tonight. County Attorney Bennett said if the county held an election this year with the older map still in place, it could face a lawsuit and be forced to hold a new special election, which would have an additional cost to the county.

Gene61
Gene61's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/14/2009
Civil rights..

The civil-rights bill of 1964 was enacted with strong bipartisan and bi-ideological (conservative and liberal) support. But, the credit for the civil-rights victory has gone almost exclusively to liberals and Democrats, particularly to Senator Hubert Humphrey (D, Minn.) in Congress, and to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. However, much of the hard work of advancing the legislation was done by congressional Republicans — conservative stalwarts including Everett McKinley Dirksen of Illinois, Charles Halleck of Indiana, William McCulloch of Ohio, Robert Griffin of Michigan, Robert Taft Jr. of Ohio, Clarence Brown of Ohio, Roman Hruska of Nebraska, and moderates such as Thomas Kuchel of California, Kenneth Keating of New York, and Clark MacGregor of Minnesota. All of these Republicans served as major leaders of the pro-civil-rights coalition either as floor managers or captains for different sections of the bill.

Although the Democrats controlled both houses of the Congress at the time, a much-higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats supported the civil-rights bill. For example, in the House, Republicans voted for civil rights by a margin of 79 percent to 21 percent, 136-35. The Democrats’ margin was 153-91 or 63 percent to 37 percent, the facts are the facts.

Really , when it time to dismantle outdated still in the 60's groups like the NAACP ? Personally I have long held the view point the organization as whole is actually keeping many blacks from moving forward, its time to out aside old ideas and work together for the betterment of ALL people, not just ones of color..

kcchiefandy
kcchiefandy's picture
Offline
Joined: 09/18/2009
Gene, Gene, Gene,....

...why muddle the discourse with facts? Democrats thrive on populist tripe and their agenda is only for seating those who would lord their 'superiority' over the lower economic class, and oft the middle class, who have less of a voice than the monied in this country. Much like the current tyrant, any type such as he live by this premise that 'he knows best', since he is quite learned. He/they often have actually done little for the enrichment of our society but can postulate 'til the cows come home on how it SHOULD be; they just have NO idea of how it IS done.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Let's celebrate how

far Georgia and Fayette County have come since the ending of Jim Crow laws.

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm

It seems as if Sky and Joe want to make you believe that this never existed - and if it did, it was the Democrats fault.
Change is difficult - but the south has changed!! Why is it so difficult for these two to accept this and want to blame all that is wrong with today on African Americans? Sky and Joe, there are blacks in Fayette County who make more money than the average citizen and blacks who make less money that the average citizen. The Districts that you fear are 60% and 50% WHITE. If you fear low income people, than stop being racist - and say you fear the influx of low income people to Fayette County.

renault314
renault314's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/03/2007
DM- I respect your opinion on a lot of things but....

If intentionally creating a situation that overwhelmingly favors whites so that a white person is sure to get elected is racist, then creating that same situation for blacks is racist too. Surely you can see that.
The entire basis of the NAACP lawsuit is assuming that that no white person would vote for a qualified black person on the ballot, but thats racist too.
This has nothing to do with republicans, democrats, the tea party or Jim Crow laws or "clayton county moving south." It has to do with white people getting sick and tired of being called racist for not letting black people act racist. Which is what the NAACP wants legal permission to do. Setting up a voting block to favor candidates strictly on the color of their skin is by definition racist. But I havent heard anyone in the black community admit that, though im sure they are out there.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Renault and Joe and Sky

Have you read the NAACP law suit? Do you realize that in the two Districts mentioned - 60% and 50% are white? Are only those of color to be represented by this law suit? Has The Citizen published the actual wording of the lawsuit? These are not rhetorical questions - I really don't know the answer except the percentage of whites in the two districts under question.

Quote:

The entire basis of the NAACP lawsuit is assuming that that no white person would vote for a qualified black person on the ballot,

DO YOU FEEL THE ABOVE IS A VALID ASSUMPTION? NOT! - all one has to do is look at the 2008 election. Blacks are only 12% of the population. Somebody white voted for Obama.

Maybe there are others in these two districts that feel their concerns are being ignored. I don't live in either district - but I certainly felt that some of my concerns were ignored - and my concerns for Fayetteville had NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!

The ruling on the legality of the action of the Commission will be decided by law - not assumption. If the assumption is incorrect - which I feel it is - what are you concerned about? Will a representative from the two Districts have any power other than to lend their concern to the conversation? As of now, it is still a districtwide vote - right?

renault314
renault314's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/03/2007
you're just not getting it.

I dont know if its willful ignorance or just an inability to get past your preconcieved notions but seriously, pay attention. your question of...
"Have you read the NAACP law suit? Do you realize that in the two Districts mentioned - 60% and 50% are white?" Yes i have. And they did publish the gist of the lawsuit here in the citizen. The two districts that you talk about DM are NOT in the NAACP lawsuit. The lawsuit wants one thing and the commision rushed through some made of districts for who knows what reason but they are NOT RELATED! If the NAACP was going to be satisfied with districts that were %50 and %60 white respectively they wouldnt have brought the lawsuit in the first place. To quote directly from the article
"The NAACP argues that district voting creates a more fair opportunity for a minority to become elected to the commission by creating a special voting district that features a “majority minority” voting block."
What the NAACP wants is the power to create a special district that is intentionally NOT evenly distributed. They want one that is INTENTIONALLY skewed to have a majority black population because according to the language of their own lawsuit, that would ensure a black person gets elected to the council every election. Which is racist. They are asserting that a black person would never even be the 5th most popular candidate in this county (which is all they would need to get elected) because white people would never, ever vote for one, hence the need for the lawsuit. which is racist. They are asserting that black people will always vote for the black candidate regardless of qualifications which is why the majority black district will work in their minds to always get a black person elected. Which is racist. That belief is the crux of the suit. If the NAACP didnt think that way, then it would still be possible for a minority white person to get elected in a majority black district and thus the suit to have district voting would solve nothing and therefore be pointless. But they arent afraid of that 'cause they think that all black people vote together, which as i mentioned before, is racist. They also think so little of their own kind that they dont think a black person could ever compete one on one with a white person, the black person will only win if they are given huge slanted advantages by the government. I dont know if thats racist or not but its pretty pathetic.
Meanwhile Repubs and TeaPartiers , who are the ones who actually advocate everyone be treated the same, that everyone be given the opportunity to succeed of fail on their own merits, the ones who would vote for anyone with a good idea regardless of race, are the ones canstantly being labeled as racists for daring to suggest that black people can be successful without the government heavily skewing things in their favor because of their skin.
SO, DM, tell me who the real racists are here? You challenged me before about my "assumption being valid" but it was not an assumption at all. It was just paraphrasing the language of the lawsuit and a little logical analysis.
Can you refute anything that i have said? not a challenge, just a question. As a black person (now, that IS and assumption) how does it make you feel to know that the NAACP, which is the self appointed representative of blacks everywhere (lets not insult each other by pretending they care about any minority but blacks) does not for one second think you are good enough to compete straight up against a white person in ANY facet of your life without massive tilting of things in your favor by the government? What message does that send to the black youth of this county?

S. Lindsey
S. Lindsey's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/31/2008
Give it up renault.. DM is in lockstep back in the 60's

She has not and will not ever accede the fact that many positive changes have been made.

Racebaiters like her, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and others like the NAACP MUST, MUST, MUST maintain the illusion that white sheeted men on horsebacks are really just around the corner and if not for them mass hangings in the square will be the inevitable result.

Obama was not elected because he was black but in spite of it is their view.

Her upcoming rant to you only proves this point...

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Getting it
Quote:

Yes I have. And they did publish the gist of the lawsuit here in the citizen. The two districts that you talk about DM are NOT in the NAACP lawsuit. The lawsuit wants one thing and the commission rushed through some made of districts for who knows what reason but they are NOT RELATED!

The ‘gist’ of the lawsuit? The gist that would turn people of Fayette County against District voting because it may not be in the interest of the powers that be? To tell you the truth, I’m surprised at this turn of events – since The Citizen appears to be the media in this area that does not always go along with the ‘past’ powers of the County – but they are having a lot of ‘hits’ and people do read The Citizen for comparison. Not bad marketing. Georgia, and particularly Fayette County are being monitored for adhering to the requirements in the VRA . If there is a concerted effort by the local governance to prevent the election of a minority or prevent the representation of minority voters, then the actions of the county are to be questioned under the VRA. If you cannot fathom a reason for the actions of the BOE or the Commission, maybe you better consult a lawyer familiar with the Civil Rights Act and the VRA. Are you an attorney? If not, consult one. There is some validity to this lawsuit – or else the outstanding legal counsel of the County would have ignored it. Right?

Quote:

Meanwhile Repubs and TeaPartiers , who are the ones who actually advocate everyone be treated the same, that everyone be given the opportunity to succeed of fail on their own merits, the ones who would vote for anyone with a good idea regardless of race, are the ones canstantly being labeled as racists for daring to suggest that black people can be successful without the government heavily skewing things in their favor because of their skin.

Oh please. Spare us the ‘we are good to black people crap’. Unfortunately the racists who have tied their hate and fear of minorities to the Republican and Tea parties have misrepresented the sincere persons of FC who support the Tea Party. Your fear of the NAACP is understood because in the past this was the organization – along with SCLC and many other organizations that changed the segregated south. The NAACP relevance today is that they have the legal counsel that monitors and questions practices that may be considered racist – keeping American citizens away from voting booths and gerrymandering in order to control the vote. Gerrymandering is not used just based on skin-color – but income, political party, etc, etc., etc. If the powers in Fayette County have not been guilty of this – then why are you worried or upset? If the legal counsel of the Commission feel that they have changed the voting system to satisfy the requirements of the VRA – then you can rest assured that the law will be followed. If you are one who is from a family who felt that the ‘change’ in the south was an infringement on your right to segregate based on skin color – I understand your situation. This is 2012. No one is going to sit quietly by and accept a return to ‘the way it was’.

Quote:

It was just paraphrasing the language of the lawsuit and a little logical analysis.

Not quite ‘yellow’ journalism – but certainly getting some here in Fayette County to be against District voting. I know, I know, you’re sick and tired of these ‘victims’ constantly trying to CHANGE the way things have always worked around here. There are some in the county who would welcome District voting – and it has nothing to do with skin color.

Quote:

how does it make you feel to know that the NAACP, which is the self appointed representative of blacks everywhere (lets not insult each other by pretending they care about any minority but blacks)

I have worked with Hispanics and Asians who have utilized the legal rights gained by the NAACP to gain their rights as American citizens. MLK and Chavez worked together to get migrant workers in California decent living conditions and pay. I don’t believe you are ignorant – but very limited in your view of what has happened in the rest of the United States. It’s too bad that the progress that has been made here in the south in race-relations has escaped you – and your anger is very evident. Sad. We are a country of laws – and not old traditions. The law will be followed in Fayette County

The NAACP

Quote:

does not for one second think you are good enough to compete straight up against a white person in ANY facet of your life without massive tilting of things in your favor by the government? What message does that send to the black youth of this county?

That’s the message you would like to send to the blacks in the south – but the election of Obama will never allow that message to resound with white or black students – and that is certainly not the message of the NAACP. That is your message – maybe to assuage your own insecurity. Relax. This will be settled according to the law. Mr. Johnson, who is on the city council of Fayetteville, is black – and there are not that many of us here to vote in a meaningful ‘block’. Mr. Johnson and President Obama are qualified citizens who have been elected to serve. You, sir or lady, just want to stir the fire of fear. We are a country of laws. Let the system work. You may be surprised – you may not be forced to have a ‘black’ representative – THEY may actually vote for a ‘white’ representative. You are sad.

renault314
renault314's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/03/2007
avoiding the tough queastions
Quote:

The ‘gist’ of the lawsuit? The gist that would turn people of Fayette County against District voting because it may not be in the interest of the powers that be?

The only thing that would turn people against district voting is the reasons behind the lawsuit. Which is to create an unfair system that heavily favors blacks in ONE district so they will always have a seat on the board. If the people of fayette county decide that they want district voting for whatever reason, then so be it, what do i care. but the citizens are not being asked, or given the opportunity to choose. they are being TOLD by the NAACP how it will be. And not because they care about fairness. You said yourself in an earlier post that blacks are only 12% of the county, but clearly the NAACP wants a black person on %20 of the seats. That may sound nitpicky, but so does the NAACP's lawsuit. The sad thing is that the NAACP clearly doesnt care who gets elected, just as long as the person is black. I note they are not concerned with creating a majority asian district or hispanic district. apparently the NAACP thinks black people can speak for all other minorities.

Quote:

Georgia, and particularly Fayette County are being monitored for adhering to the requirements in the VRA .

No, they are not, they are being sued regardless of compliance. The intent of the VRA was not to squish all the blacks in the country together in concentrated areas so that only black candidades would come out of those precincts. Although i think i has been corrupted over the years by people with agendas and used that way.

Quote:

If there is a concerted effort by the local governance to prevent the election of a minority or prevent the representation of minority voters, then the actions of the county are to be questioned under the VRA.

There have been black people on the board before, and would be again, regardless of this suit. There are also black people on the city council, so clearly this conspiracy to not elect minorites doesnt exist.

Quote:

Oh please. Spare us the ‘we are good to black people crap’.

No one said we were good to black people, i said we treated everyone the same. We try to be fair to everyone, regardless of skin color. isint that the zenith of being not-racist? I wish the NAACP would pick up on that novel philosophy.

Quote:

Your fear of the NAACP is understood because in the past this was the organization – along with SCLC and many other organizations that changed the segregated south.

A few things. I do not fear the NAACP, what i fear is them spreading the belief that you can fix racisim with racisim and promoting the liberal agenda that any time a white person is in charge they are evil and anything a black politician touches turns to gold. Also, I only moved here to the south as a kid in '88 so have no concept of life in the old segregated south. I just know when i look outside my window, i do not see the world of the old B&W newsreels from the 50's and 60's, and dont understand why thats ALL the NAACP sees.

Quote:

The NAACP relevance today is that they have the legal counsel that monitors and questions practices that may be considered racist – keeping American citizens away from voting booths and gerrymandering in order to control the vote. Gerrymandering is not used just based on skin-color – but income, political party, etc, etc., etc. If the powers in Fayette County have not been guilty of this – then why are you worried or upset?

The NAACP only maintains its relevance by perpetuating the myth in black culture that whites will not vote for blacks and that only black politicians can represent black people. The NAACP is not here to investigate claims of gerymandering. You are completely inventing that whole straw man argument. The NAACP is here to sue fayco for the express purpose of creating a black majority distict and end at large voting so that they blacks in that district can always elect a black person to the board. That is not my analysis, that is the express wording of the lawsuit. read it yourself.

Quote:

If the legal counsel of the Commission feel that they have changed the voting system to satisfy the requirements of the VRA – then you can rest assured that the law will be followed. If you are one who is from a family who felt that the ‘change’ in the south was an infringement on your right to segregate based on skin color – I understand your situation. This is 2012. No one is going to sit quietly by and accept a return to ‘the way it was’.

Yeah, as i said before,wasnt here then and not from one of those families., but thanks for thinking you know me. I Do NOT want a return to the way is was. I just steadfastly maintain that you cannot undo the unfortunate racisim against blacks of the past by creating new racisim FOR blacks in the presesnt and future.

Quote:

I know, I know, you’re sick and tired of these ‘victims’ constantly trying to CHANGE the way things have always worked around here.

Hey, im the first person to agree that just because its always been done doesnt mean its not incredibly stupid. Just look at the running of the bulls in Pamplona. But that doesnt mean change just for the sake of change cant be wasteful as well. Seriously, DM, not one person ( black or white) has been able to satisfactorily explain how black childrens interests in this county are not being represented by the school board, and how having a black person defacto permanently assigned to the board would improve the lives of black students in this county? Even the NAACP is at a loss to explain what difference it should make, if everyone is truly considered equal. And if no one can explain the benifit, whats the point? Except maybe for the NAACP to take advantage of this county and its excellent schools to promote their covert agenda.

Quote:

There are some in the county who would welcome District voting – and it has nothing to do with skin color.

I agree. there are some people who would welcome ditrict voting for reasons not based on skin color. But the NAACP, by their own admission, isint one of them.

Quote:

I don’t believe you are ignorant – but very limited in your view of what has happened in the rest of the United States. It’s too bad that the progress that has been made here in the south in race-relations has escaped you – and your anger is very evident. Sad. We are a country of laws – and not old traditions. The law will be followed in Fayette County

actually as part of 9 years of military service i have lived all over the U.S. and made friends with minorities from everywhere. but at the risk of repeating myself, no one has explained how NOT rigging the vote in this county so that a black person is always elected ruins race relations and destroys the progress weve made? Spare me the histrionics DM, no ones buying it.

I said that the

Quote:

NAACP does not for one second think you are good enough to compete straight up against a white person in ANY facet of your life without massive tilting of things in your favor by the government? What message does that send to the black youth of this county?

and i meant it.
yopu said

Quote:

That’s the message you would like to send to the blacks in the south – but the election of Obama will never allow that message to resound with white or black students – and that is certainly not the message of the NAACP.

well we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one, since i do think that that is the NAACP's message, however subtly you go about it. If its not their message, why do they think blacks will only get elected to the board if you draw up a majority black district to favor them? Its the only reason to have the lawsuit in the first place, helloooo!
And the Obama election has nothing to do with this. %50 of whites voted for him (doesnt sound racist) but 98% of blacks voted for him (sounds racist). Can you imagine what the NAACP would have said if the roles were reversed, that McCain had won with %98 of whites voting for him? There would have been riots everywhere.

Quote:

That is your message – maybe to assuage your own insecurity. Relax. This will be settled according to the law. Mr. Johnson, who is on the city council of Fayetteville, is black – and there are not that many of us here to vote in a meaningful ‘block’. Mr. Johnson and President Obama are qualified citizens who have been elected to serve.

You make my case for me. They got elected (obviously with some white votes) because they were believed to be the most qualifoed. And they did it without the heavily slanted districts that the NAACP wants to create. So why are they neccessary?

Quote:

You, sir or lady, just want to stir the fire of fear. We are a country of laws. Let the system work. You may be surprised – you may not be forced to have a ‘black’ representative – THEY may actually vote for a ‘white’ representative. You are sad.

I dont pretend i know you, please dont pretend you know me. In your posts you have implied that i am fearful, insecure, that i am from an old southern family, not well traveled, ignorant of racial progress and secretly wish to return things to the old ways of segregation. You top it off by implying that I am "sad" because i happen to disagree with you. I find it very telling how quickly you resort to ad hominem attacks, when you cannot refute the substance of my arguments. answer this post however you want, but please, write another and answer a few questions.
1, why cant a white person represent black student interests
2, what would a black person on the board do differently for black students
3, How is setting up a district purely to get someone elcted for the color of their skin not racist
4, how does creating a new kind of racisim in favor of blacks help the country?
apologize for mistakes wrote this in a hurry.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Questions not so tough
Quote:

The sad thing is that the NAACP clearly doesnt care who gets elected, just as long as the person is black. I note they are not concerned with creating a majority asian district or hispanic district. apparently the NAACP thinks black people can speak for all other minorities.

Check the article again and the demographics of the areas represented in this discussion. The areas are minority majority – not black majority. Maybe it is your experience here in the south that the NAACP is only concerned with ‘blacks’ – but I don’t recall the south denying Asians or Hispanics the right to vote. I may be wrong. The concerns in other parts of the US have always included other people of color. When the government tried to exclude Asians from receiving small business loans, the legal counsel of the NAACP worked with them to stop that action. I already mentioned Chavez and MLK – but you conveniently choose to ignore that. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to give another side to your opinion of what is going on in Fayette County . I enjoyed a wonderful lunch with friends of all colors and will enjoy being with my church family on Sunday. Fayette County, as I have said before, should be considered a role model for the NEW SOUTH!

Quote:

as a kid in '88 so have no concept of life in the old segregated south.

Ask some of the old timers here in Fayette County. My son was told not to get caught in Fayette County after dark in 1981. I was warned to be careful when driving through Fayette County in 1989 while visiting in Atlanta – that was the reputation shared with ‘out of town’ guests of color.

Quote:

The NAACP is here to sue fayco for the express purpose of creating a black majority distict and end at large voting so that they blacks in that district can always elect a black person to the board.

Well we’ll see what the outcome is of the redistricting plan. I know your words – and they are all too familiar of those who fear that someone else having representation infringes on their right to representation. You have expressed your opinion – regarding this situation. Not everyone agrees with you and not everyone agrees with me. The big difference between 2012 and 1964 is that the decision will be based on ‘LAW’ and not attitude or community tradition.

1, why cant a white person represent black student interests

They have and continue to do so. Blacks are not the only minority persons in Fayette County.


2, what would a black person on the board do differently for black students
Maybe have more communication with their parents. The point is have they had an equal chance (minorities) for representation? Some feel they have – and this will be determined by the VRA. If you feel that they have – what are you worried about? Do you feel that there is a possibility that they haven’t?


3, How is setting up a district purely to get someone elcted for the color of their skin not racist


That is your interpretation of what is going on – and you’re entitled to that opinion. THE DECISION WILL BE BASED ON OPPORTUNITY FOR EQUAL REPRESENTATION OF ALL CITIZENS IN FAYETTE COUNTY.

4, how does creating a new kind of racisim in favor of blacks help the country?
apologize for mistakes wrote this in a hurry.

We unfortunately still have racist traditions and opinions in this country and throughout the world. There is an organization of young thinkers who are refusing to stand for intolerance, ignorance, etc., etc., etc., This movement gives me hope. To deny that you or I have racist feelings or opinions is denying the reality of who we are. I still have fear of people who think like you – and evidently you have fear of people who think like me. That is what is sad. I will not deny my personal racism that is based on my personal experiences, I still harbor some racist fears. However, I don’t wish reverse racism on anyone. Been there, done that, and it’s ugly – wouldn’t wish that feeling on anyone.

renault314
renault314's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/03/2007
common ground

Well at least I feel we are reaching an understanding. Neither of us wants to live in a racist society. I suppose the core of our disagreement stems from what constitutes "the opportunity for equal representation." If black people have been elected to the board in the past, and are city council members now, it seems like that opportunity already exisits. I wish I could make you believe I really dont care who gets elected to the school board, as long as they are competent to do the job. My interpretation of the NAACP position is that unless a minority is elected to the board every time, then the county is by default racist. And the only way to fix the problem is to institute a sytem the guranteees a minority gets elected every time. which seems to me to still be racist, just for a different group. it doesnt sound very "equal opportunity" to me, but like i said that is just my interpretation and you clearly have a different opinion and thats fine. Whats not fine DM is when you have attacked me personally in the past for having a different opinion than you. Please dont do that, I dont do it to you. cant we be civil when we disagree? It doesnt lend weight to your arguments, just distracts and gets in the way.

suggarfoot
suggarfoot's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/10/2007
renault

David's Mom is nothing but a hold over from the 60s. A closet black panther who, when her holier than thou racist garbage is taken away as a talking point, has nothing left. She eats and breaths it. She is never content to talk about anything that she doesn't pull that mess in.

She so badly yearns for the 60s.

SPQR
SPQR's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/15/2007
suggerfoot

being black from the 60's back would have been traumatic for many. I remember the harsh treatment served out to these people. I came to the south as a child and was shocked to see black people treated so badly. I remember thinking how resentful and full of ill will I would be If I were treated like that. Growing up we had an rather crass expression for folks who had been traumatized as a child and were left with a warped perspective on life. Damaged goods. It kinda says it all.

suggarfoot
suggarfoot's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/10/2007
SPQR

there are many people damaged through out their lives for many different reasons. It boils down to what you do with it. I have seen some remarkable people come out of it. An inspiration to all. Then there are those like Davids Mom that day in and out spew hatred. Damaged goods as you say.

Most immigrants that founded this country had horrible things they left behind. That was the key to their success. The deal is that they turned their backs on what hurt them and made a new life. Think what a horrible country we would have if all those people dwelled in the past.

SPQR
SPQR's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/15/2007
sugarfoot

I certainly don't disagree with you. Some successfully dig a hole and bury there garbage and move on. Others spend their lives carrying it around and being controlled by it. Hard to say why some do and some don't. However, it's no surprise based on an earlier era that this dysfunctional perspective exists.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
Lack of diversity at the NAACP

The NAACP is nothing but a group of racist hypocrites. They demand "diversity" in county government, yet have no diversity in their leadership.

S. Lindsey
S. Lindsey's picture
Offline
Joined: 12/31/2008
Good morning DM.. How did the NAACP help Clayton?

They were once like Fayette a prosperous county.... and what are they now?

Thank you NAACP. Your meddling worked so well.

What did that T-Shirt say about Fayette?

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
S. Lindsey

The t-shirts said. "Clayton is ours, Fayette's next"

Agent: Drug task force is badly undermanned

As Fayette County Drug Suppression Task Force supervisor Capt. Mike Pruitt barged into a home during a raid in Clayton County, he shuddered as he read the words plastered across a drug dealer’s chest.
“Clayton County is Ours. Fayette’s Next,” the t-shirt read. Pruitt tried to brush the words off, but the words still haunt him.

That's the group-think mind-set of these racist thugs - Their goal is to bring the thuggery and crime into Fayette and drive out whitey.

Dondol
Dondol's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/05/2006
What we need is another

What we need is another Randall Johnson! Back in the 70s,80s & early 90's Nobody came down to Fayette County to cause trouble! They knew it wasn't Tolerated Here.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Thanks Dondo

I guess in the '80s the warnings were correct.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
T-Shirts

The drug dealers tea shirt - not the NAACP We noticed seven years ago that drug dealing was done in the open in the Pavilion parking lot snd the cart paths in Peachtree City. There has been a great improvement. Many
meth houses have been closed. Thank you DEA! I know that there are many who agree with you. After seven years I know that there are more who don't. There are citizens here who are
proud of the progress that has been made in our country and particularly in Fayette County. Have a nice day!

grizz
grizz's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/02/2011
Drug dealers have their own t-shirts?

Are you saying that the drug dealers had their own t-shirts made? Well that certainly that makes sense. Kind of like a uniform for them so that they are more easily identifiable to one another, their customers, and the police. Yeah that sounds about right. (NOT!!) The t-shirts were made by a group of racists in order to try to intimidate another race in another community. It's what people with a mob mentality do.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Grizz Maybe you missed this

From Joe Kawfi's post:

Quote:

As Fayette County Drug Suppression Task Force supervisor Capt. Mike Pruitt barged into a home during a raid in Clayton County, he shuddered as he read the words plastered across a drug dealer’s chest.
“Clayton County is Ours. Fayette’s Next,” the t-shirt read. Pruitt tried to brush the words off, but the words still haunt him.

grizz
grizz's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/02/2011
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

So a drug dealer is wearing a racist t-shirt. Big whoop. What are you trying to say?

suggarfoot
suggarfoot's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/10/2007
agreed grizz

the drug dealer was a racist along with being a dealer. We all have known about the shirts for years and they weren't at all limited to the dealers.... quite the contrary.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Grizz

Sorry, should have realized this topic was above your grade. Bye!!

grizz
grizz's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/02/2011
Davids mom

You just can't answer the question. Your ignorance and blatant racism is showing. Sad.

skyspy
skyspy's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/08/2005
Thank You renault

dm doesn't want to look at how racist her beloved naacp is.

johenry
johenry's picture
Offline
Joined: 08/22/2006
This is the beginning of district voting!

According to the demographic numbers read by the county attorney it looks like there will be two majority minority districts thanks to Herb Frady, Lee Hearn and Robert Horgan. One had almost 50% minority and the other had almost 40%.

naturegrl
naturegrl's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/19/2012
the real story here is

the real story here is politics, men acting like little boys. we have county commission seats up for election this year-Jockeying for political power.....Wake up everyone. Put on your listening ears.

WakeUp
WakeUp's picture
Offline
Joined: 03/14/2006
Just can't help myself

Mr. Munford used "irregardless" in the 8th paragraph. And unless I am mistaken, it is not a word. The correct usage would be "regardless".

AtHomeGym
AtHomeGym's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/18/2007
Wake-Up & Word Usage

You're right; "irrespective" works too.

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
Don't think the NAAAACP will buy this half-measure

This does not solve their problem at all so the lawsuit will continue. Then, the new map goes to the State Legislature - no problem there if the local reps support it, but then it goes to DOJ for approval? And there is a race-based federal lawsuit pending? And Eric Holder is the DOJ boss? Anybody doubt the outcome of that?
The commissioners will be taking this up again and soon.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Morgan

Are you an expert on NAACP legal thought? The attorneys are aware of the legal aspects of the proposed change and the requirements of the VRA. Why the fear of the possibility of having a minority on the commission? Has the Fayetteville City Council fallen apart because a 'black' man was elected? The 'blacks or part blacks' (minorities - a term used by The Citizen) in Fayette County comprise 16% of the county. They own 20% of the businesses. Do you really think that this part of the citizenry wants to see this county fail? Decisions are being based on law and current community attitude. What is your opinion regarding the current community attitude? The law trumps 'attitude' in 2012.

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
Racism test for you, Mom

Rewrite your post and substitute the word "white" for the word "black".

I am far from afraid to have a black county commissioner (most would insert something like "as long as he or she is qualified", but based upon what we currently have - that's not a requirement). I'm not even sure district voting is a huge evil. I do object to discrimination based upon skin color - which is the basis for the NAACP's lawsuit. And I would prefer the county commission to take some decisive action rather than just kicking the can down the road. And I will freely admit I don't really like Eric Holder.

Now, here's a fresh take on the whole racism thing. Think about this. When I am made king, I would make it illegal for the federal government to collect information on race during the census or on any other form that we would have to fill out. I do not believe that it is proper to have these stats kept by the government nor is it proper to use them in allocating government funds (aka taxes collected from us) or resources. And I don't like the idea of gerrymandering state and federal election districts using racial profiling. I think it is a privacy issue as much as anything and see absolutely no relevancy or value added for the government to have this racial information which allows and even encourages some people to use it as a club.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
*

*

Spyglass
Spyglass's picture
Offline
Joined: 01/28/2008
I've concluded our resident "mom"

is beyond hope. Good try though.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Morgan - a king's wish
Quote:

Rewrite your post and substitute the word "white" for the word "black".

Why? Are whites a 'minority' in this situation? I don't think so. The VRA is to protect all from using race in America as a club or a tool to deny the right for representation. We are not too far apart on this 'racism' thing. And I imagine that some are having a problem with the ignorance of sexism. Only in America am I identified by my race rather than my nationality. Think about it. I've seen great change in the last 20-30 years - and I hope that someday, even if you aren't king, your wish will come true! From the look of the maps, it looks as if the areas include all races, income brackets, etc. as close as is possible. I have heard persons talking about District voting in Fayette County since I've been here - and the reasons had nothing to do with race - but with the allocation of elementary school slots. Politicians will use race, political party, income, etc. as long as it is perceived that people vote according to their race, political party, etc. My grandparents and some of those my parents age were Republicans. Then came the Civil Rights movement - and those who appeared to feel that allowing those of a different color to have equal rights/opportunities was taking away their supposed power and oops - the solid Red states appeared. Also I remember when there were liberals and conservatives in both parties. . . .and things got done. Holder's skin color will not influence his decision - if it even gets to the DOJ. The law is the law. In the Metro Atlanta area, the reputation of Fayette County is not good as far as race relations is concerned. That is sad - because in the past seven years, I have been pleasantly surprised at the progressive attitude of so many citizens here (as far as race relations goes). As far as business goes, the important color is 'green'. Do you feel that giving me a right to be fairly represented is a 'club ' towards your freedom?

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
I can help you, Moms

Gonna do 2 posts here and see if you can respond on simply the one topic raised. i realize that I get too many ideas into one post and this is my redemption.

So, 1 idea here:
Why can't we stop the government from racial profiling?

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Morgan I

Our 'non-racist' country has relied on 'race' in defining so much that it has developed a racist culture. Where we lived in certain parts of the country was determined by 'race'. Where we went to school was determined by 'race'. Where we worked was determined by 'race'. If we voted was determined by 'race'. So it will take the action of the next generation to stop this madness. When the attempt was made to stop overt racism, it was necessary to identify by 'race' in order to monitor if progress was being made in ending segregation. Members of the majority population as well as the minority population have used Civil Rights laws to protect their position as American citizens. To deny that there are still those who would prefer to see all leadership in the US occupied by male whites would not be realistic - but we have come a long way. Soon we will understand that with marriages of citizens who are of different races, their children are not going to be comfortable with identifying themselves as anything but American. THEN we can take that 'race' thing off the birth certificates, etc. So - my answer, we can - certainly within the next 10 years. As we see with the Fayette County reputation and the reputation of some individuals and some state governments - we're not there yet It shouldn't only be organizations that are concerned with 'race' that initiate the elimination of race from American identification. All Americans should feel secure enough and proud enough to be identified as American. (But let's be realistic - as long as some give preference to a lighter skin color than a darker one - we have the problem of racism.) Do you think we could make it illegal to be 'racist'?

Robert W. Morgan
Robert W. Morgan's picture
Offline
Joined: 10/26/2005
I can help you, Moms II

Why should election districts be drawn with race and national origin being so obviously used when the law of the land prohibits discrimination based upon race or natural origin (and other things). Please answer that one Mom.

skyspy
skyspy's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/08/2005
OOh no TSK TSK Morgan: dm

Don't you know that you aren't supposed to point out that dm and the naacp are racist for wanting to vote for someone based on skin color alone?

If you don't agree with dm and the naacp every time they pull the race card you are RACIST. We aren't supposed to call them out.... We aren't supposed to point out all of the failures from the past when they voted based on color alone. We are supposed to forget about how well their brand of racism has worked in clayton county. We should just accept the race card when they pull it no matter how baseless it is. The race card is all they know.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
skySPY

Thank you for posting. Your attitude is becoming antiquated. People who are enjoying the cooperation of their neighbors in their churches, their restaurants, their shopping areas - are ignoring the 'race' card and concentrating on the 'character' card. It's comments like yours that make citizens of color who may agree with you on some issues stay away from the Republican Party in droves. LOL Thanks!!

skyspy
skyspy's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/08/2005
dm Good one

You respond by pulling the race card.

The content of your character is racist. Thanks for showing your true colors on here, which has nothing to do with the color of your skin. Keep singing "poor me" but you are singing a solo .

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Solo?

I don't think so. But we'll see. Look around you. Fayette County - integrated stores, churches, neighborhoods, parks, - and you still cry that 'blacks' are ruining the country and your county. Well sir, it is now MY COUNTY too - and your thought is in the minority. My skin color has nothing to do with my actions to protect my investment in this county; my desire to see the quality of schools continue; my insistence that the truth be told about the past and we encourage the celebration of the progress that has been made in the south and Fayette County.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
Jim Crow was a Democrat

DNC Chair Ignores Democrats' Jim Crow History

The Democratic Party’s longtime love affair with segregation is undeniable. Who stood up for “Jim Crow” when President Eisenhower tried to enforce desegregation at Little Rock, Arkansas’ Central High School? Democrats like Arkansas Gov. Orvall Faubus, who called out the state’s National Guard to prevent black students from entering the school. It was a Democrat, Alabama Gov. George Wallace, who famously proclaimed "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." And it was a Democratically-controlled Georgia legislature that picked nationally-known segregationist Lester Maddox to be their state’s 75th governor in 1966.

Democrats have always been the party of racism, elitism, and exclusion. Their constituents are just too stupid to comprehend that fact.

skyspy
skyspy's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/08/2005
Joe, Oh Joe: You are a Slow Learner

You know dm and her fellow racists don't like to hear that.....

How many times does she have to tell you that everything that is wrong in this country is the fault of the white people and the republicans?

When you vote for someone because they are black that isn't racism because the naacp thought of it. Obviously if the naacp came up with that "logic" their is nothing wrong with that way of thinking.

You are acting like and uppity white person....tsk tsk.

If dm says their is a problem with racism then that is the final word on it. She with the help of the naacp have the final say. Even if they have to make up a problem if they say there is a problem it HAS to be true. I mean really, would they lie just to stir up trouble? The race card is their game( and it is a game they play to get something for nothing) let them have it.

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
skyspy -

I don't deny that southern democrats like Wallace and Robert "KKK" Byrd were segregationists, which were typical and continue to be typical of the Democrat party. Do you? Democrats have tried to re-write history in a lame attempt to try to rid themselves of their racist, segregationist past. Only stupid people have bought into that fable.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Joe and Sky

Some southern Republicans have tried to re-write history in a lame attempt to try to rid themselves of their racist, segregationist past as Dixie-crats Hi stupid!! Democrat Harry S. Truman integrated the US Military. Democrat Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act. Democrats JFK enforced integration in the southern states. Today's right wing Republican is more interested in abortion than jobs (according to the current emphasis in the Republican debates). But that is just my opinion. Oops - Obama's approval rating went up to 50% - even with all of the problems that we are still facing. Well - it's a long time until November. Fortunately not many citizens pay attention to your attempt to make everything Republican correct and everything Democrat incorrect. Citizens just want to see some progress in jobs, infrastructure, foreign relations, PEACE. The candidate and policy that can deal with these concerns will be the winner!

Joe Kawfi
Joe Kawfi's picture
Offline
Joined: 07/20/2009
Skyspy- The Dixiecrat Myth

The Dixiecrat Myth

It was the southern Democrats who were the party of slavery and, later, segregation. It was George Wallace, not John Tower, who stood in the southern schoolhouse door to block desegregation! The vast majority of Congressional GOP voted FOR the Civil Rights of 1964-65. The vast majority of those opposed to those acts were southern Democrats. Southern Democrats led to infamous filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

By 1972, however, Wallace was shot and paralyzed, and Nixon began to tilt the south to the GOP. The old guard Democrats began to fade away while a new generation of Southern politicians became Republicans. True, Strom Thurmond switched to GOP, but most of the old timers (Fulbright, Gore, Wallace, Byrd etc etc) retired as Dems.

Why did a new generation white Southerners join the GOP? Not because they thought Republicans were racists who would return the South to segregation, but because the GOP was a “local government, small government” party in the old Jeffersonian tradition. Southerners wanted less government and the GOP was their natural home.

The bedwetting, racist libs know that if they tell a lie often enough, that stupid people (DM) will believe it.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Nice try Joe and Sky

But there are minorities that also support smaller government - but when the likes of you tie it to southern Democrats wanted to end segregation, - you lose. The Republicans gained the south based on the states right to continue segregation in schools, transportation, etc. Now deny that.

skyspy
skyspy's picture
Offline
Joined: 11/08/2005
I Know Joe

I'm with you. Some people don't want to look at the truth.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
JOE

Look up Dixie-crat in your history book. For those of us who lived during this part of history - your comments are a black mark against honesty in education here in the south.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/166817/Dixiecrat

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
Morgan II

Political survival. It has been interesting in California that many of the so-called 'black' districts have turned Hispanic - and legal. What the politician of that district has learned is that he/she must respond to the genuine needs of their constituency - regardless of their race - in order to be re-elected. For years, the District of my parents was served by Kenneth Hahn - a white man who was absolutely highly respected by the constituents who were 95% African American. There were 'blacks' and 'whites' who attempted to unseat him - but were unsuccessful - because he met the needs of the citizens of his district and fought for their rights to have decent streets; clean grocery stores, fewer liquor stores, dependable transportation, etc. etc., etc. There are some who feel that if this had been done in Fayette County, there would not be a need to seek a person who is a minority to represent minority concerns. Maybe some feel that because of the perceived community attitude here, minority concerns were safe to ignore. Many are surprised that there are minorities living in areas where minorities have not lived before. Some feel that in order not to be ignored, a leader needs to be responsible to the constituents he represents in order to be re-elected. Do you see where some may feel this way? I bet that the representative who serves a majority/minority district - but does not have to rely on those voters for their re-election - just may ignore their concerns - and appeal to the majority in the county who can re-elect them. Maybe I'm way off. Just a thought.

Dondol
Dondol's picture
Offline
Joined: 05/05/2006
DM re: Morgan II

In regards to the suit filed by the NAACP and based on your post,"because he met the needs of the citizens of his district and fought for their rights to have decent streets; clean grocery stores, fewer liquor stores, dependable transportation, etc. etc., etc." can you please tell me and the rest of Fayette County were these needs are not or were not being met. I'm not trying be out of line, I just want an honest answer.

Davids mom
Davids mom's picture
Online
Joined: 10/30/2005
DONDOl
Quote:

I bet that the representative who serves a majority/minority district - but does not have to rely on those voters for their re-election - just may ignore their concerns - and appeal to the majority in the county who can re-elect them.

Based on my own experience here: A group visited the Mayor of Fayetteville with some concerns - non-racial in nature - and felt that they were politely ignored. We have a new mayor and new council member. If you are sincere, ask someone from the majority/minority district - or bette yet - ask someone from the NAACP. Was there anyone on the current council who took the time to communicate with the majority/minority community? Now Dondo - look around. The division here in Fayette County is not so much 'race' as it is income and education. With minorities owning 20% of the businesses here - do you really feel they are interested in seeing the economy of Fayette County fail? If you really want an honest answer - drive around the majority/minority area. ALL of the schools in Fayette County are achieving. Do you think a minority family who moves here and invests in a home wants to see the quality of education lowered? It wasn't you - but using the 'code' words of Fulton and Clayton to mean African Americans is getting old. No wonder Kevin left this discussion. All new comers to Fayette County are not former residents of Clayton or Fulton County.

Quote:

"because he met the needs of the citizens of his district and fought for their rights to have decent streets; clean grocery stores, fewer liquor stores, dependable transportation, etc. etc., etc.

You don't know - but you want the right to vote for them without their input? ASK THEM! ASK THE NAACP.