The public vs. ‘immovable’ Frady, Horgan, Hearn, Krakeel

At our Jan. 27 County Board of Commissioners meeting, the general public got to see my wanting to move on an issue versus the immovable Chairman Herb Frady.

I ran for a county commission post to make things happen; and if those things do not happen through public pressure, I try to make them happen.

There is a core group made up of Chairman Frady, Commissioners Lee Hearn and Robert Horgan and County Administrator Jack Krakeel who are desperately trying to become an immovable force, especially when the issue happens to be the West Fayetteville Bypass.

Truly, the “Core Four” are aware of the ever-increasing public anger over their willingness to continue to pursue the unwarranted and expensive bypass project. Their fervent desire to disregard the will of the people is what caused Chairman Frady to behave irrationally at the Jan. 27 meeting.

As another immovable, Fayetteville Mayor Ken Steele, admitted, the West Fayetteville Bypass has nothing to do with relieving current traffic from Fayetteville, but is intended for future development from North Fayette all the way down to Starr’s Mill, a developer welfare project of sorts.

Dear people, it was no accident that the empty Rivers Elementary School (another waste of your tax dollars) was built along the path of the West Fayetteville Bypass.

So I properly declared my desire to speak on some issues concerning the West Fayetteville Bypass within the Commissioner Reports section of the Jan. 27 meeting agenda. Every commissioner has the right to add an item to the agenda. In fact, every agenda item I have placed on an agenda has been properly filed.

Previously, Chairman Frady had the Commissioner Reports section removed from the Jan. 5 and Jan. 13 agendas to prevent Commissioner Allen McCarty and me from being able to speak on issues of concern. This was the chairman’s first attempt at censoring elected officials.

At our first meeting on Jan. 5, the county administrator handed me a copy of Fayette County Policy and Procedures, Section 100.03, regarding the uniform process for the placement of requests on the agenda. And on several occasions, the county administrator firmly insisted that I had to follow the policy and I happily agreed to do so.

A day or so following, I approached the county administrator and asked him why the county has a double-standard with my having to file a request for an agenda item by the policy while Chairman Frady and Commissioners Hearn and Horgan were not. I cited several examples from my research.

Later, on Jan. 13, I received a memorandum from the county administrator stating, in an about face, it was not within his authority to place commissioner-requested items on the formal meeting agenda as the Section 100.03 required.

Attached to this memorandum was a copy of a legal opinion from the county attorney which contained several errors. However, the main thrust of the legal opinion was to say that Policy and Procedures, Section 100.03 was merely “guidance” and the Board of Commissioners did not have to comply.

I sent an email to Chairman Frady admonishing him for his attempt at censorship and the lack of free speech with the removal of the Commissioner Reports. Under pressure, the chairman placed the reports back on the agenda and I promptly filed my desire to speak on issues regarding the West Fayetteville Bypass on the Jan. 27 agenda.

Everything was fine until 15 minutes prior to the meeting when Chairman Frady expressed he did not like what I was going to say. Mind you, he had to admit he had not even read the slides I was going to present as part of my report.

He told me that I would not be allowed to speak to which I replied that he did not have the authority to make that call, not to mention it was civilly and professionally inappropriate.

At the start of the meeting, the chairman raised a plain piece of paper with his handwriting on it and claimed I was not on the agenda. My reply was that I had properly filed well in advance with the county clerk and I would not stand for Chairman Frady censoring the speech of a Board of Commissioners member.

From that time forward, whenever I tried to speak, the chairman rabidly pounded the gavel on the dais and yelled that I was out of order. He stated the reason I was out of order was that my topic, the West Fayetteville Bypass, was not legitimate county business.

Everyone in the audience was baffled at how the West Fayetteville Bypass, a project discussed in earnest by the Board of Commissioners since 2003, was not county business.

Three in the audience left in disgust. Others in the full room went to the podium during a public comment section and lectured the chairman and Commissioner Horgan on their poor performance for around an hour.

The audio of the meeting will soon be available (www.fayettecountyga.gov) and I strongly suggest you listen for yourself.

The citizens of Fayette County should not have to put up with the Core Four making up the rules as they go to promote their interests.

Likewise, it is time for you to get involved, attend meetings and sign petitions against the West Fayetteville Bypass and government censorship, taking back Fayette County from the special interests.

Steve Brown

Fayette Commissioner, Post 4

CommissionerBrown@fayettecountyga.gov

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The Three Commissioner Sheep Will Be Eaten In 2012

And when they're gone it's time to clean house. Get rid of the Jack Krakeel and county attorney too.

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The public vs. immovable Frady, Horgan, Hearn, Krakeel

If you had attended the meeting, you would have been outraged at Frady's outlandish behavior. As one of our duly elected commissioners, Steve Brown had every right to address Fayette County citzen concerns.

Frady has overstayed his welcome for several years and,if he runs for reelection in 2012, he will be soundly kicked to the curb just like the voters unseated his former cronies, Smith and Mawell.

Also, if I were on the board and could muster the required 3-2 votes, Krakeel and Bennet would be shown the door so fast they would not have time to clean out their desks.

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So go ahead and run against Frady

or Horgan depending upon where you live- although I suspect neither will run, so it will be 2 open seats. Should be easy to get Brown and the other guy onboard with disposing of anyone Brown considers part of the old guard or in favor of the bypass. Go for it, Run for office.

Who is going to run if you don't? Sam Chapman? Janet Smola? Murray Weed? Dan Tenant?
Don't think for a minute that it is impossible for anyone (and I mean ANYONE) to get elected in this county especially if you don't step forward.

Steve Brown just showed us that you don't need any real ability or even a decent resume to get elected. Just 20 supporters, a compliant newspaper and a bogus campaign issue that tells people what they want to hear rather than what can actually be done. Add to that an anti-incumbent enviornment and it is easy. Plus there will be 2 wide open seats next time.

Go for it dude. Run on Brown's issue - killing the bypass and add the bonus of house cleaning of county department heads.

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Steve, I have to say that if a majority....

.......of the County Commissioners do not want to vote your way on anything, that is their privilege.

However, if there is evidence that the Chairman's refusal to bring up subjects that you wish is against ethical provisions, then that should be followed up---outside the board meeting.

As to the West By-Pass being expedited as a developer's wish and not a real need, that also needs outside investigation.

These things should not be further detrimental to civil commission meetings where much needed governing is needed.

I realize it may be difficult to find an authority such as a DA or a judge in Fayette County who will take on a county commission chairman, under any circumstances, but there is the state officials who could not refuse such requests from certain elected officials.

We need immediately to resolve these personal and possibly illegal problems and get back to county business.

Let's not start a bunch of lawyers digging into it, robbing us blind, and then come up with nothing...they have to live here.

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Misinformation

We have all come across instances where it appears the county is or its agents are giving misinformation to anxious land owners.

This was one of the points I was going to make, but the chairman refused to allow it.

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Another County Official Also Doesn't Speak The Truth

I have it on very good authority that another poor misunderstood county official (officer of the Court) used intimidation tactics with an elderly homeowner who was trying to negotiate with the county for his property by telling the gentleman that he would lose if he let his property go to condemnation. He said that the man on Sandy Creek had lost his case. That absolutely was not true!

We spoke to the gentleman on Sandy Creek and he said that he has not lost his case. He said that his case isn't even due on Court until February. The County built Phase I of the road across his property and didn't pay him anything for his property.

Folks all along Tillman Rd./Veterans Parkway, Sandy Creek, Lee's Mill Rd. and Janice Dr. have all refused to settle with the County. They have sent letters denying appraisers and surveyors access to their property.

One particular property owner on Tillman Rd. is being harassed at her place of business by the appraisal company.

It is extremely upsetting to hear public officials out and out lie to people in order to intimidate them into selling their property for a pittance of what it is worth.

Property on Tillman Rd. has been appraised at $22,000 per acre but the county offered $2,000.

People in Fayette County just plain don't know what is actually going on.

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Taxes on $2,000 per acre or $20,000 per acre

Which have you been paying for last 20-30 years? Farm taxes or home or commercial taxes?

I agree that the buyer shouldn't take all of the profit but you can not expect the county or state to pay the max to you.

What Gwinnett County did when they zoned farms as housing, was simply to send the farmers a tax bill for housing land!
Had to sell then. Taxes quintupled!

I suggest that if you can get more than you have been paying taxes on (not a pittance, of course) that you take it.

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ginga1414 - LOL

"People in Fayette County just plain don't know what is actually going on."

No truer words were ever written.

You know what ginga1414, they won't ever know what is going on either, because sadly they simply don't care.

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PTC, Some Folks Actually Do Care

There is a "grassroots" effort to inform folks of what is going on. We must be getting through to some citizens because yesterday's Commission Workshop Meeting had to be moved from the small meeting room to the regular commission meeting room. Folks sat for 3 hours trying to hear through a very poor sound system and trying to see miniscule figures displayed on the screens.

Our commissioners were extremely surprised to see so many people at a workshop meeting. One commissioner said that they practically never have any members of the public at a workshop meeting.

I made a new years resolution, PTC O. I vowed to send out reminders to an email list of hundreds reminding them to attend the commission meetings and giving them a copy of the Agenda. So far, I have been very successful. If those citizens who do care would compile an email list and send out reminders before each commission meeting with a copy of the Agenda, we could turn this county around.

As a result of our "grassroots" effort, many citizens have already started writing to our commissioners. For example, one citizen who is concerned about "budget estimates" sent in a letter to the commissioners and his wife forwarded a copy of her husband's letter to me. I really don't think they will mind if I pass a portion of that letter along. So here goes, "We see what the project budget estimates are but what we don't see is what the finished projects costs. I would like to see that so we know if we went over budget or under budget. I would also like to know how much was done by the county and how much was contracted out on each project."

It is so good to see that some of us are thinking and some of us truly care. Thanks for bringing this up PTC. I think you truly care.

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Good for you ginga.

Sending out reminders and agendas is a great idea. We do the same thing in PTC. Someone at city hall sends to about 800 e-mail addresses and several of us forward to all PTC people in our address book. It really helps. Attendance is up slightly at council meetings, but many more watch the meeting on the city's website. Awareness is good. Too many are simply clueless abour government.

Of course PTC Council meetings have always been more entertaining that those of Fayette County Commission, but with Brown and Frady's coming out party last week, things are looking up.

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Horgan Mispeaks

Mr. Horgan,
you were quoted in a local paper as saying no property had been
" taken " from anyone for the construction of the WFB. This is
not true. The property at 280 Sandy creek rd. was taken by the
county without the owners consent and phase 1 of WFB is
constructed on this property. The county does not have a
recorded deed to this seized property.
You are also quoted in the news article as saying all the
property owners have " agreed to relinquish " their property as
requested. You failed to reveal that owners are threatened with
eminent domain law suits if they do not "agree". This threat is
confirmed by deed to the county recorded at the courthouse, book
3711 page 665.
Please refrain from miss- leading the public into believing
these property owners are cooperating willingly with the
county's endeavor to build this road; inappropriately named
Veteran's Parkway!
see Frady on Red Bull @
SPLOSTOPINION

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Robert W. Morgan, let me refresh you're memory

though I doubt you've really lost it. Harold Bost was the disaster that mentored Greg Dunn in our lives when they both lived in Whitewater Sub. Don't invite that nightmare back.

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Frady vs Brown, Bost, Dunn

I don't like the West Fayette bypass project either....but there is a big injustice when guys like Steve Brown, Harold Bost and Gregg Dunn criticize any public figure...after the way they have conducted shameful politics and personal vendettas in the past. All 3 of these men (and a lot of their cronies) are some of the most arrogant, self-centered, boastful, mean-spirited people to rear their heads in Fayette County. Harold Bost always seems to find some issue to stir up to incite anger and discontent. I think it is time for Frady and Horgan to go, but fear that Bost will again push one of his lackeys to the front and that person will be worst for our county than they ones they replace. We don't need another Steve Brown on the Commission. Why can't we get somebody who actually has the best interests of our community elected? Seems impossible because it seem only the self-centered ones offer themselves for office.

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So, I guess Bost is the one who resigned

Was chairman before Dunn and I suppose Dunn replaced him. I still remember nothing about this guy, but the fact that he lives in Whitewater is relevant only to determine which Post he should run for - if in fact he intends to do so. If he is the one that quit mid-term and cost the county the expense of a special election, he won't get my vote.

Nevertheless, as I said before, Frady and Horgan have no need to run again and I'm sure they know it. Wide open chance for some newcomers to the political scene to get elected and that is not a bad thing, IMHO.

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Steve Brown is doing what he said he would do

Represent the wishes of the people.

What seems so unexplainable are the actions of the other 3. They too, were elected by the people, so if they don't/won't, have the decency to represent the people's wishes, why not at least have the decency to let the people speak at the meetings? I have heard horrendous stories from friends that have attended.

When Steve Brown is out numbered, why not let him speak? They KNOW they are going to vote him down, but this is? a democracy? What is wrong with these guys?

I'm afraid this says it all.

"As another immovable, Fayetteville Mayor Ken Steele, admitted, the West Fayetteville Bypass has nothing to do with relieving current traffic from Fayetteville, but is intended for future development from North Fayette all the way down to Starr’s Mill, a developer welfare project of sorts.

Dear people, it was no accident that the empty Rivers Elementary School (another waste of your tax dollars) was built along the path of the West Fayetteville Bypass."

Guys, Steve Brown is telling it like it is. Instead of using your hard earned tax dollars for what is best for you. It seems that they have been used for what is best for developers!!! Go take a long hard look at Rivers Elementary, and Bennetts Mill. There are less than 40 kids in a 7 million dollar school that Smola, Smith, and Wright, were hell bent on building. One of these people just mentioned has a husband who is a developer. Another just mentioned, characterized themselves as a guru/wizardess, of wall street, yet only had a 2 year degree in psychology at and unheard of community college in and equally unheard of berg up north!!!

The schools were selling tools for land and houses. The land along the bypass was to be 'opened up'. You taxpayers,'pigs with apples in your mouths' have paid for the schools and the road to make the developers starry eyed.

Now we sit here with empty schools, big tax bills, and county commissioners who are going to push that road through despite the fact that the people who are paying for it (us) have said we don't want our money spent that way.

Even the devil can only serve one master. Who are the 3 commissioners serving? It certainly isn't you.

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Morgan got it right too!

Herb Frady's position on the West Fayetteville Bypass is truly indefensible.

The good old boys are bailing water as fast as they can. There's no excuse for stupidity.

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Sugar, sugar, sugar, you do know his agenda?

Brown's agenda is to shut down all development and punish (or jail - if he could) all developers. And of course everyone else that he deems is a developer. At last count that would be about 30,000 people in a county that holds 100,000. Dip weed.

Certainly Brown should be allowed to speak. Maybe Frady - being an old guard type of guy - does not want to hear the brown clown actually speak about things that are clearly indefensible. Go figure.

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So... Mike & Robert...

Your focus on Brown's techniques to represent the 97% of November voters electing him vs any concern for the three other commissioners' actions speaks loudly of your acceptance of poor leadership by the Chairman.

Ask Hosni Mubarak where that kind of leadership ultimately takes its leaders...

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97% of voters......what?

"Your focus on Brown's techniques to represent the 97% of November voters electing him"

What are you talking about here?

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Must be the new "Brown Math"..

I can't see what he's talking about either.

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Public Comments and Emails to Commissioners Don't Do Any Good

It's hard to talk to those who won't listen. At least people who send in letters to the editor get comments, good and bad. The past commissioners have been a closed clique. They don't answer emails and don't respond to public comments. They even ignore the voters who support new platforms even to the degree that they get ousted like Maxwell and Smith.

Chairman Frady and his two musketeers furnish their email addresses for those who elected them to contact them in writing. That's easy. But try getting a written reply. I've been doing it for a month without so much as an acknowledgement that my email was received. Not being one to give up, I then vowed to ask the same questions in each public comment session until I get an answer. It's like talking to a stone wall.

You need to realize that trying to get past stumbling blocks is one thing. Deliberately casting them is another. Commissioner Brown promised to fight the West Bypass. So what should he do when the Commmission Chairman does everything in his power to make it impossible to bring the issue before the public? What people don't realize is that we're used to the "good ole boys" voting on issues, many of which were not even on the public agenda. When Mr. Brown tried to get the issues before the public eye into the agenda, he was voted down by the three musketeers who don't want it that way.

Then, they support building a multimillion dollar road people don't need or want with the only explanation "sure, things are bad now, but we might need it someday to reduce the "gridlock" (ha! ha!) in Fayetteville. Our consultant said so, and the county engineer agreed. This is more bang for your bucks." Unfortunately, it still won't get you to I-85.

If you still don't think that Mr. Brown is right, consider the fact that there has never been a single public comment in favor of the Bypass. Now what does a decent commissioner do when hundreds of voters publicly vent their disapproval of the project, and no one speaks out in favor of it? He tries to remind the other commissioners that they work for the people, so they should listen. I admire him for not choosing to be a part of the stone wall boys, at least one of whom has been seen falling asleep during the commission meetings. And you can't blame the public for voting against the last SPLOST. The commissioners funded the West bypass with SPLOST money because the Atlanta Regional Commission determined that it did not score highly enough for outside financing.

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pips: All you can do

is keep the heat on and be relentless, even if all you are getting from the Three Stooges is dead silence. Eventually, the Three Stooges will either change their ways or be faced with an angry mob at every meeting and suffer through a lot of shame publicly and privately.

The problem right now is the stooges all know they are dead meat in 2012 and have given up, so they are being stubborn losers about everything, even the most routine matters like a simple meeting agenda.

It takes a LOT to make Brown look like the mature, reasonable elected official, but they've definitely done that.

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Mike King needs to get a life

I hit this web site about twice a week and there are some (the Nuks, the Morgans and the Kings) I constantly read who are trying to master the art of character assassination. The problem is they go so far overboard that no one with a decent IQ can take them seriously.

Steve Brown is doing exactly what he promised the voters which is something I almost never hear about any politician. He's taking a lot of punishment from, as Nuk says, the "three stooges" for trying to accomplish things most of our citizens want.

Mike King is probably the worst when it comes to blowing smoke out his behind. If Steve Brown took a bullet for Mike King, Mike would complain Steve Brown could have responded faster.

Why Mike King would side with the "three stooges" is beyond my comprehension. The second election I was ever eligible to vote in included Mike King. I didn't vote for Mr. King because it was widely written he was drinking buddies with Mayor Logsdon. Mr. Logsdon and Mr. King were made for each other. Both are really ineffective.

Since you're not any good at character assassination how about trying to speak to the issues Mr. King.

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Doug

Since it's obvious that you're either brain dead or actually Steve Brown using one of his pseudonyms, you can not name one instance that I supported any one of the five commissioners. Further, you cannot name one instance over the last five years that I've even spoken to the previous mayor. The fact that Logsdon's administration was more effectve than Mr Brown's is obvious to all but the lemmings that would follow their idol over a clift.

You continue to believe that your hero can stop the West Fayette Bypass, when even he has long known that he can do nothing to stop it. I would agree that it is and continues to be a waste of money, time, and effort but grandstanding and whining will get nowhere.

Take away the attacks on other commissioners, letters to the editor, and general whining can you actually tell me anything Mr Brown has accomplished?

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What a whiner

Mike King you're pathetic.

I'm going to start calling you "Mr. No Show Sore Loser."

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Mike King, If You "Agree"

In reference to the West Fayetteville Bypass you said, "I would agree that it is and continues to be a waste of money, time, and effort."

If you care enough to post that opinion about the West Fayetteville Bypass, then why in the world don't you do something to help stop a project that is "a waste of money, time, and effort?"

PLEASE do something constructive to stop the road building, money wasting, corruptive government madness that is destroying Fayette County. If you can't manage that, PLEASE don't stand in the way of those who are trying.

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Ginga

Yes, I do consider the project a waste of resources, but do you really believe someone as irritating as Steve Brown is the answer?

For those affected property owners who object, their next step is in court. I've seen mention of your coalition doing this, but as yet nothing has been done. Those who stand against this endeavor would be far better off with a good lawyer and not some puffed up egotistical politician.

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Doug

Well said Doug but...... if you think that you can pursuade Mr. King to grow up a little bit, think again. As for the rest of the "anti-Brown clowns" (sometime known as the dirty dozen), they at least have an agenda (well... most of them anyway).

I was unaware of the blogs that King and Logsden were drinking buddies but it explains King's open hatred of Mayor Haddix.

As for the three stooges, there's something going on there that has remained hidden from the public. I have considered more than once firing off a letter to the GBI and asking them to look at "roads to nowhere", "schools in nowhere", and land ownership around those two boondogles.

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MajorMike

Just how much do I need to grow? Should you be gullible enough to believe that Doug character, enjoy the ride.

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Mike King - a lot

Just how much do you need to grow? A lot! Either that or lay off the sauce.

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Aw C'mon Major....

....Lighten up a bit. I admit to enjoying a beer or two every now and again. Heck, I'd even buy you one should you be willing to sit down and discuss our differences.

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Discussing the differences

Why don't you try sitting down with Steve Brown and learning something. Really, were you once drinking buddies with Logsdon or not. A bunch of people have told me they saw the two of you together on the golf course (chug, chug) and at the Y Knot (chug, chug).

Get off your butt and do something beside drinking with Logsdon who, by the way, was a disaster!

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johenry

I've sat down with the man, have you?

I'll admit to having a brew or two, and yes, I've frequented Y-Knot and am an avid golfer. So what's your point?

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Mike

The point that I get from a couple of these people is that they think you drink too much! Maybe an alcoholic!
I can't fathom what that is all about--there has not been sufficient opinions on her to consider that.

My guess is that at least 25% of PTC male population not only have a few beers at golf, but also go to local bars primarily to drink.

If one divides the gallons of beer, wine, and spirits delivered to PTC, including grocery stores and convenience stores, and liquor stores, by the adult population of PTC that numerous kegs, bottles, and glasses, and fifths a week is being consumed by somebody*. (Then there is the out of town sources, wholesale and all.)

Why is it that we don't want a girlie show or a sex toy store if we are to allow all that? (*volumes available from state records)

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Round$

First, I could care less what others think.

As far as the girlie show, this remains a family oriented town despite the efforts of some. Besides, what would someone your age want with a girlie show?

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Mike

I suppose someone could say that free flowing alcohol everywhere is better for "family" than a girlie show!

I don't personally want a girlie show. I was only pointng out, like you said once, that it depends on the owner of the ox!

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King and Haddix

I thought they were buddies for a while even after Don got elected.

As far as being drinking buddies with Logsdon or whatever, some of the morons here thought that EVERY citizen was getting drunk with Logsdon at the Y-Knot or elsewhere, that everyone of the thousands and thousands who threw Brown out of PTC and then voted for Ramsey in Brown's next race could only be "developers" or "bankers," and anyone(except Brown, of course) that was ever at one time in favor of TDK was also a DEVELOPER and PERSONALLY PROFITING, so who knows?

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Steve

How is it possible for one individual to be so villified by so many? Will it be one letter to the editor for every meeting? It's obvious that your reputation arrived to the commission long before you.

Are those baffled the same lemmings you maintained as Mayor?

You were elected to represent citizens of Fayette County, so stop pouting over every stumbling block and get something done! Otherwise, all in the County will see that you were really an ineffective mayor and less so as a commissioner.

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MK vs. Steve Brown

mike, can i ask why so venomous toward brown? as an admittedly underinformed onlooker, it seems brown and other fayette county citizens have a legitimate complaint with frady's behavior in regards to the bypass. if brown went through proper channels and was still prevented from speaking, what is left other than vocal protest and the press? maybe it's my natural distrust of government, but as for your claim of his being so vilified, I could easily assume that to be resulting from the very common practice of old blood, or a good ol' boy network. maybe you could shed some light on the particulars of your objection.

edited after reading pips post to add: ...yeah, what pip said. :) could've saved myself a whole mess of laborious soft-key typing.

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Simply stated, Brown knew the environment before he declared his candidacy. And, to simply write letter upon letter stating he didn't get his way, or constantly attacking those that oppose him is, to me, whining, because he is incapable on his merits to effect that which he promised to produce.

He did the same as mayor of Peachtree City and council meetings became the joke of the town, effectively minimalizing his administration.

I see more of the same, except now it's county wide.

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Brown right. Bypass wrong. Brown fool.

He knows he can't do anything except grandstand - and God knows he is good at that.
The bypass is a done deal and Brown and the other guy have no power to do anything about it.
He's your problem now Fayette County. We had him for 4 years in PTC and no one liked it.
Maybe the Frady threat to drag him out in chains will get him on TV.

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The Bypass has been a done deal since the SPLOST was passed..

I have no idea why anyone, especially the Brown supporters, think anything else. I've seen nothing in the way of it being stopped.

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True spyguy, that's what I said throughout the entire campaign

Mr. One-issue Brown knows full well he can't actually stop this thing, but he also knows a winning campaign issue when he sees one and the bypass was perfect for his purposes. It got him elected because the voters are stupid or naive or just fed up with the incumbents and now all he has to do is grandstand, which he is very good at. Anybody that thinks Brown is truly concerned about the bypass probably believes that Obamacare is about providing health care to uninsured Americans.

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Bobby--- if there is one

Bobby--- if there is one issue that got Steve Brown elected Mayor, it was that PTC was fed up with Lenox and his dishonesty and closed door government. All that matters is the vote total.

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Its Robert to you, Bob Craft

Can't believe you can misspell your own name, but those Margaritas will do that.

Brown actually got elected by potraying that Lenox had a closed administration, developer payoffs and pretending that he was running against Lenox. Master of the campaign. Horrible failure as a Mayor.

Lenox was maxed out by term limits and could not run again. Reality is that Brown got elected by beating a beat up Delta pilot named Gary Rower who did not campaign very well in a city that had an attitude about Delta pilots - back in 2000. Then he lost 4 years later by attracting a record-breaking 6 opponents.

Stay on the beach.

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Mr. Morgan - Can you imagine

what would have happened at that meeting if H. Bost had been elected?

Frady and Bost at each other, wow! Now that would have been worth seeing.

In the confrontation on principle department Brown is an amateur compared to Bost.

Maybe Harold will run next time? What do you think?

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Don't remember Bost, PTCO

Was he the one who worked for NASA or the one that quit and moved away right after he got reelected? Surely he was there when Frady was so they must have butted heads, but I simply don't remember anything notable associated with that name.

I suspect lots of people will be running next time since the 3 incumbents have tied themselves to a cross over that stupid road to nowhere and they will be perceived as beatable, plus Frady will certainly retire if he's smart and Horgan won't want to be in a campaign that revives the MJ debacle, so those seats may be wide open. Sure, plenty of room for Mr. Bost. Jump in, whoever you are.

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Mike and Bob....So the games begin

Well, it didn't take long for Brown to start the fight. As I said in another post, I have little opinion regarding the WFB because I have not really looked at the plan, reasoning, etc. It has little affect on me since I don't reside in Fayetteville (other than the obvious financial issue). So I defer to those who are most familiar with it. But I DO know Brown. If Frady was smart he'd simply put an end to the bypass, thus deflating Brown's entire agenda. Brown used the Big Box to vault into PTC Mayorship. He has used the WFB to vault onto the Commission. But as Mayor he was able to ram all his crazed ideas down our throats. As Commissioner he won't be able to do so. If the WFB was gone, Brown would be completely caught off guard and without issue. Oh well.

I would like him to also spend at least a little time on the many other issues of the Commission. We have tax issues, real estate issues, business issues, sewer issues, etc. The WFB is pretty much a done deal. But all the other issues facing the County at this time are not. To completely detract from those issues will be potentially very detrimental to the county. We, thanks to Brown, now have a very contentious 3-2 Commission which will NEVER work to together. Going to be a long and probably expensive 4 years.
Thanks Steve!

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I forgot Birdman

Go read the point I made about IQ in the post above. You said Steve Brown needs to work on "tax issues" and the West Fayetteville Bypass is the biggest waste of our taxes ever.

It also looks like you favor the non-contentious Smith, Maxwell, Frady, Hearn and Horgan board of commissioners. Your philosophy on the direction Fayette County should take is pretty clear.

The majority of us will stick with Steve Brown.

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The "majority" will stick with Steve Brown. Huh????

What majority? There are 100,000 people in this county and exactly how many voted for Brown? Maybe 3%. And I assure you over half of them were simply voting against the incumbent (a very popular passtime in 2010) and didn't have any idea who or what they were voting for in Brown.

I assure you that the majority in this county don't care about the bypass, know who the commissioners are or have ever made the effort to vote or even register. That's the real majority. Sad, but true. When total % of people voting hovers around 6%, it means a couple hundred people are the votes that decide who represents us on county commission. Discraceful. Yes, I know the population includes kids. So what, they eventually grow up, or more accurately get old enough to vote.

Maybe you just mean the majority of the screen names that are simply a front for Brown himself. That makes some sense.

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Doug

Stop embarrassing yourself by refering to IQ's. Mr Brown knows that to defund any future portion of the WFB project he needs 3 of 5 votes. He has but his and the tax deadbeat guy.

Old Steve has assured that he will not gain another vote in his favor for the next two years, and if he continues his antics, he effectively enhances the reelection chances of the other three. As far as the approved portions of WFB (those already funded), he knows it's too late to do anything, but you and his faithful followers continue to believe he can wave his hand and all is well.

What is it about Fayette County approving a SPLOST, the County Commission approving a list of projects, and then funding them do you not understand?

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Brown knows nothing about any other issue..

You're right, it would be HIGHlarious to see him cut off at the knees on this one.

His typical whining has gotten very OLD.

I've tried to get him to address some serious traffic issues the County has in a few problem areas. Offer some types of solutions. He won't give it the time of day.

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Spy: WBP

I don't know what ever happened to the threatened lawsuit about the WBP, but I'm thinking now that all tis continuing hellabuloo is strictly to try to punish someone for making it happen, which it is certain to do (happen).

I hardly thin Mr. Brown would be doing it for votes....how many would there be, 10?

Yet, an elected commissioner should be allowed to say what he wants, at least for a reasonable limit of time.

Such animosity as the chairman seems to have for Brown is suspicious to me!

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