Fayette legislators decry BoE’s district voting change

Representative Matt Ramsey (R-Peachtree City) in a file photo from March 2011.

State Rep. Ramsey: ‘Some fights are worth fighting’

The seismic shift in Fayette County school board politics — enacted last week by the Fayette County Board of Education — can’t be undone by the Georgia legislature, according to Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City.

The BoE’s move, undertaken to settle a federal voting rights lawsuit filed by the Fayette County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, strips all Fayette County voters of the right to elect all five school board members. Instead, voters will be limited to casting one vote for the BoE: for the seat representing the geographic district where said voters reside.

The at-large voting system, which allows voters a say on all five seats, is best for Fayette County, Ramsey said, “because it ensures our County Commission and Board of Education members are accountable to every voter in the county.”

Sen. Ronnie Chance, R-Tyrone, agrees with Ramsey.

“It always seemed to me that allowing the largest number of people to vote on issues of importance to them is the way to go,” Chance said.

Because of the very business of the school board, county residents are more directly affected by the district voting change, Chance said.

“You’re dealing with people’s children,” Chance said.

Ramsey, who is a private practice attorney, said he disagrees with the opinion that Fayette County was in a losing position in the lawsuit. As such, Ramsey thinks the BoE should have “vigorously defended” the suit instead.

“Some fights are worth fighting and to unconditionally surrender and say there wasn’t money to defend the suit will only embolden groups with extreme political agendas to seek to impose their will via the courts when they know they cannot succeed at the ballot box,” Ramsey said.

Ramsey also noted that it is “disturbing” that new school board chairman Leonard Presberg, appointed in November to fill the District 5 seat on the BoE, will avoid having to seek approval from voters countywide under the district voting proposal, which puts Presberg’s seat up for election in November.

“... Because of this system (which he supported), 80 percent of the county will never have the opportunity to vet him at the ballot box and make a decision as to whether he shares our values or not and is the right person to make decisions of profound importance to our children and their future,” Ramsey said.

Last week’s vote to approve the district voting settlement was split 3-2, with the unelected Presberg joined in approval by board members Terri Smith and Janet Smola. Dissenting were BoE members Marion Key and Bob Todd.

Under the current at-large system, Fayette County is divided into five geographic districts to insure that each area of the county has a voice on the Board of Education. The balance on that system is that every county voter gets to vote in all five BoE races.

That system will remain in place at least for the short term, until the district voting settlement agreed to by the BoE and NAACP is authorized by signature of the presiding federal judge.

Chance said a number of constituents he has talked to about district voting are concerned about the process in which the decision was made.

The NAACP lawsuit, which claimed that black residents were unable to elect candidates of their choice due to racism, pointed to the failed 2010 candidacy of college professor Laura Burgess, a black woman, who was defeated for the Post 5 board seat by Sam Tolbert, a white man. Tolbert, who ran as a Republican, got 68.4 percent of the vote while Burgess, running as a Democrat, got just 31.5 percent.

The lawsuit does not portray in detail any of the campaigning that preceded that race. For example, Burgess only returned one of this newspaper’s multiple phone calls for comment over the length of the campaign.

Furthermore, the record is unclear as to the extent of Mrs. Burgess’s fiscal capability in the election, as to date she still has not filed any campaign disclosure reports as required by state law to detail the amount of expenditures and the amount of contributions over $101.

The lawsuit also criticizes the election of Robert Horgan to the Post 1 seat on the Fayette County Commission in March 2006, as he won 51.7 percent of the vote over a field of four black challengers: two Democrats and two Republicans.

The NAACP lawsuit claims that Horgan made racially charged overtures following his election, based on a quote attributed to him in an Atlanta newspaper article saying that he ran for office “to maintain and preserve the heritage we have in our county.” The suit also claims, but fails to provide specific examples, that “political campaigns in Fayette County have been and continue to be characterized by subtle and overt racial appeals.”

The NAACP suit does mention the successful countywide election of Magistrate Judge Charles R. Floyd, an African American who was appointed to the seat in 2002 and didn’t face any challengers in the next two elections. Floyd died unexpectedly in 2010.

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To Kevin and Mainstream and others

Don't leave this discussion. Continue to contribute your opinion. What MLK taught Americans is that 'love, respect, civility,' combats 'hate, disrespect, ignorance'. Ignorance wins for a short time when it is allowed to silence discussion. Please continue to monitor and correct. Thanks!

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"Please continue to monitor and correct."

Monitor and correct? Please.....

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Open Primary

Sen. Ronnie Chance, R-Tyrone, agrees with Ramsey.

“It always seemed to me that allowing the largest number of people to vote on issues of importance to them is the way to go,” Chance said.

So I guess if I ask him to change the law so that we can vote for the best person for local office, he'll git 'r dun. What does national party affiliation have to do w/ Sheriff, Court Clerk, Coroner?

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WoHoo! Newt Wins SC

Oh gawd, Please don't let Mitch Daniels jump in. OK, who cares.

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Smola and Smith

Please don't forget who brought this mess. Ms. Smola and Smith not only proposed Mr. Presberg but made him Chairman. The BOE has no money thanks in large part to Smola and Smith. Were Smola and Smith aware of Mr. Presberg's backgroung info prior to appointing him? Did our new Superintendent play any role in this appointment? Who conducted the vetting process of candidates for this appointment? This process has the smell of a backroom deal. Mr. Presberg was obviously not very forthcoming and that is a character flaw. Oue schools should be teaching principles and values. I am not sure that can be done when the BOE appears to have neither. The people of Fayette County deserve better. Discussion on what Mr. Presberg is or isn't may be interesting but the larger issue goes back to the current schoolboard and the mess they have created.

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mess created by Smith and Smola

" Discussion on what Mr. Presberg is or isn't may be interesting but the larger issue goes back to the current schoolboard and the mess they have created."

For years Smith,Smola, with their minion, Wright, drug us down the rabbit hole. Dr Todd found it useless to be part of the two that were constantly outvoted by the 3 amigos, and wasn't going to run for re election. Wright for some reason decided not to run again(trouble with the kiddies at Univ of Ga?) and along came Dr Tolbert. For a brief fleeting moment, it looked like the Titanic was turning. Todd stayed and Tolbert was elected. For once it looked like the taxpayers were going to have a fighting chance and so were their kids. (remember those?)

Then this.

True, the lipstick job on the %%%% was a good one. A paint job worthy of Smola's 2 year degree and her discussions of working on wall street!

I think the 3 joined together and the taxpayers and kids will suffer.

What everyone needs to remember is that some people are sick. Where most enjoy their lives, some "no one" will do anything to become 'someone'.

Where most will tell it like it is about themselves, because they are happy in their skins, a small dangerous few, will say anything to gain power in the hopes that they will make people think they are somebody.

That is what we have on the schoolboard with Smith, Smola, and ? what was his name?

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The BIO's of the candidates were posted in this paper prior to the appointment. Why do you feel Mr. Presburg is not the right one? What in his backgroung do you question?

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His insinuated expertise....

He insinuated experience he does not have or is very limited in . He never held a public teaching position. He was a private school teacher and head master at Hill Country Montessori which he himself started. He does not have GAPSC license to teach .He has only a certificate /diploma of Montessori training of  "7 to 9 months devoting 4-5 hrs of study each week and students may accelerate their schedule if desired" (so essentially 5-7 weeks) (Primary grades are 3-6 yrs ).He has.3 years classroom experience with said primary age students while also being the head master, all at a now defunct Montessori school. It had up to 22 students total and at times as few as 5 and  was only open 3 yrs with 2 -4teachers. His only financial experience is  working at his wife's medical practice as "CFO" ...  So he has limited to no knowledge on state, Fed and local funding and nuances in dealing with educational funding allocation and limitations in public education... As an attorney "     practices primarily in the areas of residential and commercial real estate, business and corporate, estate planning, and civil litigation" NOT SCHOOL law which is a specialized area of law....School  leadership... Two to four teachers..... Three yrs... 
It's called embellishment through insinuation.....
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2006-2007 first school yr

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Experience?

What experience in education do any of them have? 2 of them can drive a bus over the cliff.

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Thats the point Duh... Heres your sign!!!

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Veritas, "Insinuated Expertise" Or Deception?

For me, one of the most striking aspects of Mr. Presberg's lack of "expertise" is the fact that Chattahoochee Hill Country Montessori apparently wasn't able to or didn't stay afloat for any appreciable amount of time.

In this day and time and especially with Smola and Smith's financial track record with the BOE, a new Board member should have had a more than favorable financial background.

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Yet again I'll ask you, why do only half the sitting board members get blame for appointing Presberg, what is it that coats the other two with Teflon? I asked you this before on another post, but while you dance around the question you never seem to answer it.

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Appointing a 'Free Thinker'

I am guessing that this is the candidate the 2 x 2 agreed they could agree upon. I would also guess everyone voted for the district voting because the board counsel told them they were on the short end of the stick of a losing argument. How did that Tilting at ole Windmills work for Coweta Co. and the Starship? Why didn't our legislator step up and work Pro Bone? Gawd forbid, we agree on a 'Free Thinker' What we really need is a die hard anti-evolutionist that will get those Texas approved text books over here. You know, we need more of our own PTC, Kathy Cox. Yeah, that's the ticket. We don't need no freakin' Free Thinker's. Anybody have a guess on the Newtster as the Free Love Candidate?

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hutch I agree

It is that there have always, steadfastly been 2 there Todd and Key, they always tried to do what was best.

I think they got snookered. Smith and Smola wanting the power again...

I think the only fault of Todd and Key, if any, is that they can not believe some are so set on power they would put themselves in front of the kids and misrepresent themselves.

Good people most times want to belive others are good. That is where the problem is. It happens everyday.

But I must say, some of the mis representation I've seen on the BOE reminds me of a whore singing in the church choir.

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Hutch, BOE, & Appointment

Hutch, couple of days ago, in a post to Morgan, I said that Todd & Key had the same responsibility as the other two to vet Presberg before becoming part of a unanimous appointment. I don't personally know any of those folks but what I've read certainly has a foul odor rising from it, rotten or not.

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Hutch & BOE

I made the point couple of days ago to Morgan that Todd & Key also had responsibility to vet Presberg before being part of the unanimous vote to appoint him.

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Well well well

Moderated again, I must be on someone's list.

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Moderated..

I am as well, odd, must have made the list for daring to have an opinion.. This is odd.. Wonder why this happened, given there thee to my knowledge has been clear guidelines for warranted such an action.

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I agree, yet it seems that all the people with the wadded panties are only mad at two people, would love to hear why.

What's also funny is that my post to ginga had to go through the moderator before it posted.I'm starting to wonder about ol' Cal.

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Veritas What does it mean

He cannot perform the task at hand? Have you looked at the qualifications of all the candidates and the current Board to see how he matches up vs the rest?

Don't rely on what you read here (The Citizen). It has been proven there is very little vetting done prior to a journalist posting their own thoughts vs the truth.

What in his Background disqualifies him from being appointed on the BOE?

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Presburg's Qualifications (or lack thereof)

I don't know Cal Beverly or Mr Presburg. But unless Cal is lying to the point of being liable in his article about Mr Presburg's qualifications being limited to a school that he owned, I don't see how anyone could ask this with a straight face.

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What in his Background disqualifies him from being appointed on the BOE?

Do you have kids in school in Fayette County? If so are you OK with this process as it played out? If my kids were still in school here I wouldn't be.

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Just a thought

There are many school board members in other districts throughout our country who are not educators - and have no experience as teachers. No where have I found that a school board member must be a certified educator. Usually board members are citizens of the community from varied backgrounds who are interested in maintaining an outstanding public school system. Businessmenwomen are always welcome!! Are the other members of the FC Board educators?

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There are many school board members in other districts throughout our country who are not educators - and have no experience as teachers. No where have I found that a school board member must be a certified educator. Usually board members are citizens of the community from varied backgrounds who are interested in maintaining an outstanding public school system. Businessmenwomen are always welcome!! Are the other members of the FC Board educators?

Is miss representing ones qualifications OK too? Are you OK with this process as it played out?

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Just saying if a BOE wants an educator on their Board - it should be on the list of qualifications required. How did he misrepresent? Not arguing, just haven't wanted to get too involved in this discussion. I'm finding out that there are a lot of 'misrepresentations' in FC. It just is very obvious that only people who represent Republican, Christian, small town thoughts are welcome to participate in community government in Fayette County. I have met many interesting CONTRIBUTING members of this community who do not actually fit this requirement - but they also don't publicly state their personal beliefs because of the 'quaintness' of this city (Fayetteville). What a shame. This city, as I have stated before, should be a role model for an American City that WORKS for all Americans. But if you have to hide your personal beliefs in order to contribute - something is wrong. IMO

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Moderated

Interesting.

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Moderated..

Seems to be an reoccurring theme on the Citizen website...No explanation, just moderated with no communication from the powers that be..Interesting..

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Issue is being appointed board chair....

Smells fishy...... There is no issue with him being appointed to the board just the arrogance he showed voting for himself to be chairman and lack of forsight Smith and Smola showed voting him chair. And yes I did chk the other board members back grounds and Presberg and Smola are the least qualified to be chair.

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Being chair is the least of the problems

It was clear that the 3 of them prearranged something because the first nominee for chair (ether Key or Todd) did not get a second, meaning the 3 of them did nothing, knowing what was up next. Remember this was Pressman's very first meeting - ever. And sure he had to vote for himself because Smola and Smith have created an us and them divide on the board. So making him chair was the reward for the very next vote - to acquiece to the NAACP demands for district voting - a distinctly liberal position in a conservative county. Then, well after the fact, we find out that decision is final - no input from voters or State legislators because the lawsuit had federal beginnings.

Problems:
1. Did the 3 of them meet illegally ahead of time to game the chair vote and ultimately the NAACP vote? Maybe real early, like before he was even appointed?
2. Did the 3 know the ramifications of the NAACP vote - meaning that it could not be overturned?
3. Doesn't the school board have an attorney or something to explain legalities to these people? Where was he?
4. And finally the Obamaesque question - Are these people just stupid beyond belief or do they have an agenda to ruin the school system?

Those are the real problems. Pressmann's little satan club is just an oddity and probably played a part in the Smith and Smola teaming up with him, being the uberliberals that they are, but that pales in comparison to the real problems. Unless of course Smith and Smola belong to the club. Anybody discovered that yet? Or even asked the question?

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Ramsey, who is a private practice attorney, said he disagrees with the opinion that Fayette County was in a losing position in the lawsuit. As such, Ramsey thinks the BoE should have “vigorously defended” the suit instead.

“Some fights are worth fighting and to unconditionally surrender and say there wasn’t money to defend the suit will only embolden groups with extreme political agendas to seek to impose their will via the courts when they know they cannot succeed at the ballot box,” Ramsey said.

UHhh, I guess maybe we are 'Tilting at Windmills' here for political fodder.

Point 4. Smith/Smola did not need any help in ruining the skool system. They were doing just fine on their own.

Does anyone ever wonder why the Coweta BOE runs just fine and they serve 'gratis' ? Oh, they have district voting and the sky is not falling.

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Nor will the sky fall here with district voting. We get Boston

Let's get it on and let District 5 elect a black person - which must be the reason for the lawsuit. And then when that person doesn't get 3 new schools built and 1,000 new teachers hired in District 5 they can fire his stinky butt and elect a new black person. Why should I care?

Anybody here see through this thing? Why does anybody else care? I am in District 2 and I will vote for Ralph Boston - he's the man!

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DJ Bobby M Gets The Spin On!

There you go DJ Bobby M, asking some REAL questions! Anyway, you can all find out straight from the Chairman's mouth on January 30, when he and Dr. Lobster are schedule to speak before the satanist Rotary Club!

Check it out for yourselves! Stop making the Ninja your work horse--I am feeling like Boxer from Animal Farm again!

Giants over 49ers
Pats over Ravens

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I be there Ninja. Rotary meetings are required

I doubt the wooly one will actually show up, but we can hope.

Who is Dr. Lobster?

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DJ Bobby M

Look at the Rotary schedule. If I am not mistaken, Smola is scheduled to show up with Chairman Woolly and Dr. Lobster (you know, our superintendent from Maine!) in tow to give a state of the school system report or something!

Do you really know about music?

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Rotary fun on Thursday

I hope there is a Q & A session. Some of us Rotary guys are really funny and might have field day with these distinguished visitors. My questions are inappropriate for that type of event - any suggestions?

Know music? Of course I do. For example I know that Paul McCartney was in another group before Wings. And It is not Bill Hailey and the Comets like everyone thinks. And much more.

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DJ Bobby M, No I Mean

real music like Flo-Rida an Cee Lo Green! As for questions during the Thursday chicken fest, I will leave that up to youse guys! I am encouraging Editor Cal to attend--hope he will so we can get this thing cleared up before the Super Bowl!

Where do you think our fellow blogger the esteemed Hizzoner has gone?

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Nothing done after 1985 is considered music (by me)

Jimmy Buffett is the last great performer in my book. Although he never did payola and didn't get much radio play time either.

Hizzoner has disappeared. Odd that he wouldn't want to weigh in on the Satan Club or Pagan Club or whatever it is. You would think that PTC would need a new regulation if something like that pops up here.

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DJ Bobby M, How Can You NOT

like Flo-Rida! His re-use of Etta James' 'Somethings Got A Hold On Me' ala DJ Avicii's 'Levels' is great! Not on par with Mozart's five-voice fugato in the fourth movement of Symphony 41 (Jupiter), but a brilliant move nonetheless! You gotta get beyond 1985! Stuff is happening now too!

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But, but, but, what about Taylor

Taylor Swift and Lady Antebellam? And Sheryl Crowe? And Uncle Cracker?

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So I guess that Wooley is

now the FCBOE's new Education Czar?

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Bored of the Chair!

Question: Was the FBOE within its rights to elect him chair?
Answer: Yes.

Maybe he was the only one that would do it! The other person that was nominated, Key I think, by Todd, I think, refused! Anyway, what special powers does the chair have that has got you all up in arms? Name three. I will make it easy for you.

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You are just getting all wound up about nothing for the sake of getting wound up because you don't like football!

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Ms. Smola and Smith

It was not what he revealed in his Bio but what he did not include. What made Mr. Presberg go to the front of the line? My blog was taking the BOE to task and in particular Ms. Smola and Smith. The vetting of the prospects was poor at the very least. Was that done on purpose or ineptness? Was there a better choice then Mr. Presberg? My opinion would be yes. Ms. Bonnie Willis was a very good candidate. If this was a backroom deal it really stinks. We will see what the voters think in November and it is to bad that 80% won't get that chance.

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What in Mr. Presburg's background makes him "not the choice for us"? What?

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I am speaking as an individual, not as us. MS. Smola and Smith chose him and made him chairman. I think there was a better choice. It appears to be a backroom deal. We will see what the voters think in November. Got it.

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Voter I don't get it

The process was followed according to the laws of this county.

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I think there was a better choice

Who would've been your choice and why? before you answer ask yourself this - before the editor lied abouth Mr. Presburg was the person you have in mind better qualified?

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Pro Bono work

State Rep. Ramsey: ‘Some fights are worth fighting’ / Ramsey, who is a private practice attorney, said he disagrees with the opinion that Fayette County was in a losing position in the lawsuit. As such, Ramsey thinks the BoE should have “vigorously defended” the suit instead.

They should join the Coweta County Commission in titling at windmills. They were real successful in 'fighting the fight worth fighting' against Starship.

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Forget Coweta they have district voting also. That is what no one seems to understand no matter the NAACP or any another Org., distrct voting was going to happen sooner or later.

Ramsey is looking for political clout. He won't tell you if you fight this there is a 95% chance you will lose as many others have.

Ramsey also won't tell you it comes with a Multi-million dollar price tag -paying the other sides legal fee's after you lose.

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The lawsuit does not portray in detail any of the campaigning that preceded that race. For example, Burgess only returned one of this newspaper’s multiple phone calls for comment over the length of the campaign.

Furthermore, the record is unclear as to the extent of Mrs. Burgess’s fiscal capability in the election, as to date she still has not filed any campaign disclosure reports as required by state law to detail the amount of expenditures and the amount of contributions over $101.

It appears to me that this lady wanted the position handed to her. I enjoyed having a say in the makeup of the board while my kids were in school here. They've (my kids) moved on so I'm not as bothered by this as I would have been in years past. Still, I don't see our schools maintaining their past high standards in the future. And I don't say that based only on this.

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Presburg is the best choice for the position.

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At-large voting & Rogers v. Lodge

Perhaps the BOE attorney informed the board that the "Supreme's" affirmed a lower federal court deicison that the at-large voting scheme in Burke County, Georgia was in violation of the 14th admendment.

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Well then, why not just appoint Ms. 31% Laura Burgess

Doesn't that make perfect sense? After all if she was so dissed by the actual election her chance to shine came up when Mr. Sam died and she could get up there and ask for an appointment to the open seat. So, did Miss 31% do dat? Did she show up and ask to be appointed? Or did she ask the NAAAACP to change the system?

What is it Ms. Burgess? You a serious person or what?

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