Fayette OK’s roundabout study for 92S, Antioch Rd.

Google aerial view of the proposed roundabout location, which abuts Harp's Crossing Baptist Church.

Ga. DOT will fund study and construction if project is worthwhile

The Fayette County Commission, on a 4-1 vote, has given approval for the Georgia Department of Transportation to study the possibility of installing a roundabout for the intersection of Ga. Highway 92 south and Antioch Road.

If the study shows the project is feasible, DOT would pay for the entire right of way and construction costs, with the county only on the hook for ongoing landscaping maintenance and lighting costs. The latter is estimated to be about $1,840 a year, according to county officials.

Commissioner Randy Ognio voted no on the matter, expressing strong misgivings about the proposal and saying it would slow traffic down in the area. Ognio also said he would prefer the DOT would allow the estimated $1.2 million cost to be spent on another worthwhile road project for the county.

County Engineer Phil Mallon noted the proposal is not one where the money could be shifted to another project. The design speed for the roundabout is expected to be 25 to 35 miles per hour, so there are no expectations it would create a traffic jam in the area, Mallon added.

Mallon noted the project is “unique” since DOT is proposing to pick up 100 percent of the construction and associated costs excepting the future operation cost.

Ognio said he was also concerned that by giving blessing on the project now, prior to the study, the county won’t be able to halt the roundabout if deemed necessary before DOT commences with the project. Mallon indicated he was confident if the county didn’t want to proceed with the project DOT would abide by the county’s wish.

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I didn't know where to post this.

Driving on Redwine from the school complex at Hwy 74 and noticed the aluminum rails along the road/cart path. I haven't driven this route in a long time, but when did our codes permit this? It looks so out of place. Is it county or private rail?

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Roundabout

There's been a roundabout near Culloden, GA - at the intersection of US 341 and GA 74 - for about 2 years now. So far as I can tell, there's never been an accident there. That's a major intersection for log truck as well - it does a good job of slowing everyone down but keeping traffic moving.

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Roundabouts work great in the proper locations, roundabouts are not the fix for every intersection. Traffic coming from the left has priority. That means in the mornings traffic from Antioch Rd. will have priority over the North bound Highway 92 traffic. That means north bound traffic on Highway 92 will have to stop or yield to a stop which ever you prefer. In the afternoon the south bond traffic on Highway 92 will prevent traffic on Antioch road from getting out. I say this because of the slower speeds the cars will have to be closer together to move the same amount of cars through that intersection as now travels through there at 55 mph.

To say something fits every circumstance is crazy. If you use that idea would you do away with the bridge at I85 and highway 74 and put in a roundabout. After all you say it keeps traffic moving.

There are other intersections close to this intersection that will be negatively affected by a roundabout at Antioch Road. 85% of the traffic at this intersection is on Highway 92 north and south. Traffic on Highway 92 is very heavy at times and slowing all the traffic on Highway 92 even when cars are not entering from Antioch Rd. is ridiculous.

As to the safety of a roundabout compared to other intersections yes they are safer but mainly because the speeds are slower. There a lot of intersections on the highways in Fayette County so for safety purposes maybe we need a max speed in the county of 25mph. Of course I am kidding.

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Randy Ognio wrote:

Roundabouts work great in the proper locations, roundabouts are not the fix for every intersection. Traffic coming from the left has priority.

Sorry, do a little more study Randy, because traffic coming from the "left" doesn't have priority at any roundabout I have encountered, I have lived in a country with an abundance of them. Maybe that's why I like them because even the moron drivers there knew how to handle a roundabout and it sure beat stoplights timed for 7mins or 4-ways that were totally ignored by some.

I agree that they are not ideal in all situations, but the "priority from the left" isn't one of the reasons to not use them.

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No one direction has priority in a roundabout

The cars already in the roundabout have priority (or right of way) regardless of which direction they came from. That's the beauty of the whole thing. First car to the roundabout enters it, next car waits for first car to move around or out of the roundabout and then it enters - and it enters right away instead of waiting for a light to change.

This is especially true of intersections that have commuter traffic going one way in the morning and another in the afternoon. The commuters just go around the roundabout without stopping and the cars from other than the primary commuting direction have to wait for an opening. That's why Crosstown and Parkway would work so well. I'm even willing to change my mind about putting a roundabout at Walt Banks and Parkway. I now think it would work well.

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Mighty generous of you

to offer to sacrifice those homeowners of Glen Clarin and Brookfield who will then be able to sniff exhaust fumes without going outside anymore, when their property sits on the right of way and their tree buffers and berms are gone. Of course, we could beautify it all with one of those scenic white stucco cement walls that grace Hwy 74. That would be lovely and make it so if you miss your entrance to the roundie and step on the gas by accident, you can hit that wall at 25 mph and just bounce off it like a rubber ball. Those asleep in their beds at 2am on the other side of the wall won't even have to stop snoring. I bet Regions bank doesn't want that tree buffer hiding their business to disappear, either. Nothing like a well screened bank. Last I checked there is no accident history for the last 4 plus years since Hwy 74 was widened. So, here's a thought. Let's just leave well enough alone. That 4 way moves like baby oil on water when busy.

Walt Banks and Parkway..hmmm, be sure to add in a golf cart lane or two in the middle of the roundie, just to make things interesting for those 300 plus high school coeds coming and going. Chick fil A could add a drive thru only in the middle to keep everyone hydrated and fed while they traverse the big donut hole.

Of course, anyone over the age of 62 should be banned from all roundies, except the one in the Braelinn Kroger parking lot. That one has had the best darn mud tire tracks ever invented in the mucked up landscape center. Deep, defined, and plentiful. I saw one driver get out and embed his initials in his tire art last week. A thing of beauty.

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I wonder why they cannot find/stop the mud truck...

It has to be obvious. Trucks are not supposed to use that entrance off of Crosstown.

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I wonder why

They can't even keep the signs at the entrances lit. Go figure.

I think the trucks could be coming from any entrance and just are forced to go through the roundabout to get to where they need to be. Poor design and wait till the Kroger expansion narrows the driveway out back even more. Could be more trucks coming thru that roundie then. We shall see.

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I use the Parkway entrance..

for coming and going. Less traffic for sure.

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Robert - Training

A lot of training is needed on roundabouts. Park and watch the circle at the Braelinn shopping center for a good laugh.

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It is too small, Grady Ave in Fayetteville

Is much better.

But still, I think the ones in the shopping center work just fine for a parking lot.

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H& F-how funny!

I was writing my post while you posted yours..man, scary how our brains work sometimes, eh?:) Didn't mean to post over yours.

You got your white tux out yet for the gala tonight?

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My tux

I'm too conservative for white. Black is hanging in the closet for use twice a year, lol.

My invite must have been lost in the mail. Drove by on the way home tonight and saw the security keeping us unwashed out.

I want to know what the issue was with the CO. Someone pulled some strings to get the BOC to call a special meeting. Guess is they approved whatever so Mr. Barlow can get his free meal.

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Randy Ognio

Reading your comments above shows to me you really don't know how the roundabouts work. Drive through the one at Grady and Beauregard a few times at rush hour and you'll be enlightened (or maybe not). Traffic from one direction doesn't dominate the flow because all it takes is one car from another direction in the circle and cars from any direction have to wait their turn, creating breaks in the flow and allowing the other entrances to proceed.

I was against the Grady Ave roundabout to begin with and was delighted to find out how wrong I was. I wonder if you live south of the proposed roundabout?

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Roundabout

A roundabout on a 55 mile an hour State HWY is stupid. And dangerous.

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Compared to stopping at a signal?

Modern roundabouts are the safest form of intersection in the world. Visit http://tinyurl.com/iihsRAB for modern roundabout FAQs and safety facts. Modern roundabouts, and the pedestrian refuge islands approaching them, are two of nine proven safety measures identified by the FHWA, http://tinyurl.com/7qvsaem
The FHWA has a video about modern roundabouts that is mostly accurate (http://tinyurl.com/6v44a3x).

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Perfect location for a roundabout

Crosstown and Parkway is another.

These things are not only safe, they keep traffic moving. No one has to wait to enter the intersection as they do with a traffic light or the delays from tentative drivers at a 4-way stop sign.

Sure Mr. Ognio, it slows traffic without stopping it. Perfect solution.

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Roundabout safety

Better wait for a couple of more years of driver practice at the Braelinn roundabouts. About a week ago I saw one driver going left around the first one off the Parkway. Also frequently have drivers stopping before entering the circle when no other traffic is present. Maybe we are just blessed with an inordinate number of morons.

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morons

One moronie told me he can never decide if he should drive in there on the asphalt, or go straight ahead and drive on the mud like everyone else. Tough decisions equals brake lights. Sad.

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Safer than a red light

Almost never a t-bone type crash at a roundabout. Studies have shown that for sure. They also calm traffic better than a signal or stop sign too.

Zoes...any relation to the new restaurant opening in PTC?

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