NAACP prevails in Fayette school board district lawsuit

MONDAY, Jan. 9, 2011 3:48 p.m. — The Fayette County Board of Education has thrown in the towel and agreed to settle a federal voting rights lawsuit filed by the Fayette Branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) by instituting district voting for each of the board's five posts.

That means that only voters within one of the five districts may vote on the candidates who live within that district.

Still unresolved is the same lawsuit against the Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The school board meets tonight to ratify the settlement.

More details coming.

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Steve. You know why you think this is a game?

Because you consistently try to equate racist acts or statements with 'criticism', then you pout if no one plays your game.
1. Food stamps:

Racist elements have for years pushed the falsehood that the majority of welfare recipients are black. If I say "welfare queen' in Georgia folks probably think black woman. You know this

If santorum and Gingrich did not want to perpetuate this myth, they would not have assigned ANY race to the discussion. Racial politics in S.C. are only a secret to you.

"McCain fathers illegitimate black child." That was a conservative add from South Carolina. Why? Cause the politics of race still works in the South. Don't play ignorant Steve. You know this. As a presidential candidate, Santorum and Gingrich both know this. And they played the blacks and welfare game anyway.

2. Criticism

Criticism of someones performance and racial prejoritive terms are two different things Mr conflater. Calling Pres. Obama a Kenyan who hates white people is not a criticism. It is racial politics. Photos of the rose garden changed into a field of watermelons is not criticism. It is racist. That picture was sent around by a Tea Party leader in Florida. Barrack the Magic Negro, Rush's favorite song, is not criticism.
Saying the crimes committed locally were surely committed by blacks before even knowing is pushing racial division. You can play ignorant all day, but find one instance where a conservative called Bush the food stamp president? Don't think you will. But continue beeing aloof to the racism in your party. Suits me fine, as I've said.

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Kevin I'm just trying to get you to argue your points is all.

You made the claims.. Now instead of backing them up you are backtracking trying to assign some nefarious "thoughts" they MIGHT have had.

Face it Kevin the only racist in the crowd are the ones crying wolf all the time... You guys see racism in everything. That is everything not ideology pure for you.

Tell you what... how about making us white folk a list of all the things you seem to think if we say it means it's racist. We will see if Funk and Wagnall can get it in for you.

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Steve. I'll just leave you with a concept that a man like u,

unable to see through the eyes of minority members, can't seem to grasp: Just because YOU think words are not sexist or racist DOES NOT MEAN they aren't. It could be you're just clueless. And, as I've said continuously, I'm alright with that.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=obama+watermelon+whitehou...

You never told me what is wrong with a special interest group like the NAACP working within our legal system to seek what they feel is just. Guess you've been too busy running cover for Santorum's slip of the tongue while ignoring the watermelon field rose garden. I'd ignore that too, if I were you.

By the way, check out The Virginian; an armored vehicle built by Armet Armored Vehicles. Awwwww man I need one of those!

http://www.roanoke.com/news/images/0617_Armored530.jpg

A swat team member said, "When bad guys see us pull up in this...... They give up!"

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Man like me huh?? Is that anything like the typical white

person that Obama spoke of?

Kevin you can hop right over your own words if so wish. Sniffle always failed to answer for his remarks as well. It seems to be a common denominator of the Progressive left to drop bombs like the race card then accuse anyone that brings it up as "spinning" or as you say "covering".

I am just curious what book of slur words you are using. As a Son of the South I just don't seem to remember those words. Yes Kevin I remember "Welfare Queen" et.al.. But I don't seem to remember "Food-stamp" King or "Food-stamp" queen or anything else.

Tell you what... I will get the memo out to the White clubhouse to stop the Food-stamp slur it's been fully exposed. Instead we will float a new one. How about Poverty Pimp... oops sorry can't say pimp that too has racial overtones. How about Poverty President.. Let's see more Whites are in Poverty then blacks....yep that will work.

Good for you Kevin?

btw-I don't think you asked me but what do I think of the NAACP involving themselves? Need I say Race Pimps.. and I mean it in any measure you wish to apply.

You want to know what real racism is today look no further then the NAACP, Black College fund, Black Miss America, Black Congressional Caucus etc...
Any organization that works to elevate a race over another Race or remain exclusionary and divided by race is by any definition Racist.

Just my opinion is all.

I will leave you with the words from Rev.Micheal Yousself on playing the Political Race card you are using... Particularly the "Food-stamp" charge..

"Too many Americans, especially minorities are suffering because of a lack of leadership by the Obama administration...There is nothing racial or racist about wanting to turn around our economy and help those without work find jobs and support their families. I commend him for it," Youssef said in an emailed statement."

Hmmm... some common sense exposed.

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The NAACP isn't the only

The NAACP isn't the only organization to petition the courts.

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/9882

What a bunch of bed wetting conservative crybaby’s suffering from “ballot envy!” 8 - )

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kevin

The positive in this discussion is that we know that there are people in Fayette County who are not part of the 'woe is me' crowd. This has nothing to do with Conservative vs. Progressive. Conservatives and Progressives both want the best for their country - regardless of the color of the citizen. It only took me to 75 before I answered some of these participants. . With age comes a little bit of patience. . . but still necessary to 'calm down'! LOL!

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Racist blacks like you have served as an educational experience for me. Thanks, you opened up my eyes to an ugly side of America that I didn't know.

You're so welcome. If you acquaint yourself with the history of Atlanta and the south, you just may understand why there is still a distrust of some people actually 'working together' to achieve a peaceful community. By the way - do you really think that I will excuse a 'black' person if they rob me, kill a relative, rape a friend? Come on - silly assumptions hide your racism. You can't believe that my DNA makes my emotions less human than yours. I admit that some of my experiences have caused me to have racist attitudes. They were formulated in the NORTH - and corrected in the SOUTH. HALLELUJAH!!

WHERE DID YOU LIVE IN THE NORTH? Idaho? None of my friends in LA believe that whites in Georgia are living peacefully with blacks in a little town called Fayetteville. Why aren't some celebrating this instead of running around saying the sky is falling because the 'blacks' are coming? (Another version of the 'race card') Unfortunately, their (my friends in LA) reaction is - what do you expect from the current Republican Party. Sad. There are those of us here in Fayette AND ATLANTA who continue to rejoice in the progress that has been made since the '60's. I have lunch with 'white' and 'black' ladies in public places in Fayetteville, PTC, Newnan and Atlanta - and no one gives us a second glance. For me, at my age, this is progress and most encouraging about the future of our country. You don't enlarge an airport and prepare for a growth in population if no one is coming to a city because of the 'blacks' who live there. There are those who try to insult my thinking, and my sex, and my education, and my race - but don't waste your time. At my age, I've heard much worse - and still I rise!! LOL Nite!

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First of all I never said you would excuse any criminal if they hurt you.

2. I have lived in many places Mpls/St. Paul Chicago, Seattle, and I have also lived in England and Germany.

I have many friends from different cultures and ethnic backgrounds, and different levels of education. Every one of my friends is surprised at the way the race card is used and abused in Atlanta.

3. People are comparing this current naacp lawsuit to what happened in Clayton county because it does parallel what happened. The naacp wanted district voting there because they could not get one of "their people" elected without district voting. They were being harmed and damaged by living in a county that had white people in public office. Even though at the time Clayton county had very low crime and good schools, they were being harmed by not being represented by "their people". They are the ones who pulled the race card to get their own way.

naacp guideline and principles:
1. if you don't get what you want, pull the race card and bully people into giving you what you want.
2. if you get caught doing something wrong, pull the race card, and bully people into forgetting and excusing that you did something wrong.

No one in my neighborhood or the 2 other neighborhoods close by have ever even been elected to city council, let alone county commission or the school board; sooooo we need to have our own district so that we can be represented also. I'm going to follow the example of the naacp and tell you that if you don't agree with me you are racist. We have been harmed and damaged by not having a representative in local politics. I'm just following the "logic" and example of the naacp.

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the race card is used and abused in Atlanta.

Abused? Using political leverage is POLITICS. Thurmond, Talmadge, KKKetc. used it well until the Civil RIghts Act put a stop to that

Clayton County was harmed by their own politicians who accepted the location of Section 8 housing and low rental apartments to be established in their county. They walked away, knowing what would happen when a certain element would reside in a county - the poor, unemployed bring their problems, regardless of the color of their skin or the language they speak Many 'blacks' - so I'm told - left Clayton County also. Our realtor wouldn't even show us homes in the county. Racist? maybe - but one invests a sizable amount of money in a 'home' - so these questions are asked/answered before investing.

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naacp guideline and principles:
1. if you don't get what you want, pull the race card and bully people into giving you what you want.
2. if you get caught doing something wrong, pull the race card, and bully people into forgetting and excusing that you did something wrong.

Interpretation according to insecure/racist 'whites'

Intelligent participants in the democratic process find ways to have 'equal representation'. If you and your community members feel you aren't represented - use the law to do what you have to do That's what the NAACP has always done. No 'old boy' tactics; hanging nooses; Klan parades, etc. Use the law. . .which when it threatens your so-called 'white power, you call it ' reverse racism;. Just my opinion. You're entitled to yours.

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Hampton is in Henry County..

FYI. And it's not nice.

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Hampton/Spyglass

Just returned from a function at a home in Hampton - beautiful 5/6 bedroom home; view of a lake; met their wonderful neighbors - Americans of all hues. Geez - I thank my 'luck' that I have not seen what you see. (Yes, I do see poverty in many counties in Georgia - citizens of all hues are not living the American Dream. I feel you see all blacks as poor and uneducated. Sad. Thanks for the correction, Too many counties in Georgia!!

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I've never spoken of race..

I'm dealing more with the culture that is cultivated in certain communities.

Like I said, I grew up in Clayton County when there was almost ZERO crime. What changed? Let's not skirt the issue. The culture of the new residents is nothing like it used to be. If you want to make it about race so be it, but that's not the entire story.

I do not want the culture that has taken over Clayton in Fayette County.

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Wonderful spy

What attributes of 'culture' of the current 'newcomers' to Fayette County (who are not coming from Clayton County) are you fearful of?

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Culture

Of falling test scores for one, as far as schools go. Facts are facts, it is not cool to do well on said tests. It is part of the culture. Ask Cosby, he will agree.

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Yes, I'm yelling!! Do you honestly feel that the current residents of Fayette County who are 'black' are inferior to you? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTS OF CLAYTON COUNTY!!

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Cosby

If you read his book - and the criticisms that followed, you will see where he equated a culture that included fatherless homes, crime infested environment, drugs, as well as parents who don't know how to parent. He was speaking to the 'black' community. I can show you the 'culture' of the Hollywood area in Los Angeles where the schools had the same problem because of the 'culture' of the 'white' population that inhabited this community. He was not speaking of ALL BLACK PEOPLE - or he would have to include himself, his parents, etc., etc., etc. Did 'blacks' raise the Lohhan (sp.) actress? The 'culture' of her environment has certainly caused her problems. In the 60's and 70's , the top scoring school in LA was a school of 'black' students in an upper middle-class community. Middle class blacks have left the urban schools of LA. Not many middle class 'whites' are in the 'Hollywood' area. My point. STOP THE GENERALIZATIONS. All whites are not racist; rich, highly educated, make high scores on tests. Right? A higher percentage do because they enjoy a higher percentage of middle class opportunities. Right? Individually - there are some blacks who achieve more than some whites. MLK saved this nation when he encouraged 'black's to acknowledge that not all 'whites' are racist, cruel, unfair, etc. - and this saved this nation from a terrible blood bath. The continued 'we' are 'better' than them - therefore we are superior and they are inferior is going to continue to split this country right down the middle. We know the facts - but some have problems recognizing the progress of Americans living peacefully together in a southern town with equal opportunity. Geeez. STOP FIGHTING THE CIVIL WAR!

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Thoughtful post. We had the Clayton experience 77-83 and found it just fine. And yes, some don't understand much about PorSche! I lived in Germany 15 yrs and never saw any outright racial prejudice---not when black Americans acted ugly in their cities, they did respond--and not unexpectedly. When we returned in 86, we settled in rural, unincorporated Fayette, with more deer & rabbits as neighbors than humans. After negotiating a BA & MS at WGA College Frau Gym had a career teaching in the Clayton School System and she's the one with all the stories! Hey, watch for news about our next coffee or bev of choice meet and try to come---and be cautious on the Active!

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Hey AtHome

Good to hear from you. Hopefully one of these times I will get some free time so I can hang out with the gang.

Your wife saw all of the changes from the inside. It's a shame that it happened, but history doesn't have to repeat itself.

Oh, well gotta go .

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Skyspy, anxiouslly awaiting your attending a coffee---looking

forward to meeting you. I can understand if you do not wish to answer here but did you ever work in the Miami (FL) area? It would really be interesting to get certain people to meet in person--and see what transpires--there are a few I believe will never attend. Interesting.

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Hey MYTMITE

I look forward to meeting you too. I have been to several coffees, nice people good conversation. Right now I don't have much free time. Two days off a week just isn't enough anymore.

I moved here from up north. I love the south and will retire here. You people have best manners and true hospitality of any place I have lived. The weather is a plus as well.

Have a good weekend.

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Mom, you really don't

"With the coming of the Porche factory, realtors just may steer many of their engineers, technicians, office personnel away from a county with limited tolerance for those who are not 'white'."

With a comment like that You really don't know to many Germans do you?

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You are so limited!! I have four relatives who have worked for Porche for years!! Not all employees are German!! Please tell me you are not a product of Fayette County schools!!

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The Olympics tale of the influx of section 8 people into Clayton isn't true. Atlanta and Fulton County weren't allowed to pay the rents on people in another county. That story has been around forever, but the truth is that over the years Clayton made a point of building apartments and low end subdivisions with parts of them reserved for the section 8 crowd. There was no way Clayton could have housed all the people displaced by the Olympics in that short a time.

The demographics in Clayton slowly and surely changed over a long span of years with people fleeing from the high taxes and cost of living in Atlanta and Fulton County. As the schools declined it hastened the flight of people from Clayton who cared about their kids education. We hung on for an extra year because my daughters teacher looped with her class. The gifted program in Clayton was a joke, at least for the elementary kids. The sad part was even though my kid went into kindergarten knowing how to read, she wasn't allowed in the gifted program until the third grade and then like I said, the program was a joke. She flourished here in Fayette, we had no problem getting her into the gifted program and she excelled from the time we moved here. Actually she excelled in Clayton too, but it was more in spite of the schools then because of them.

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Counties do not issue Section 8 housing - I thought it might be different in GA - but it isn't.

http://housing-voucher.com/index3?split_id=94

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Might be how it is now, but we're talking 20 years or so ago.

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Section 8

27 years ago. Section 8 - Georgia is always a little different - so maybe. Some who worked in HUD are checking. It appears that there was even a problem for minorities at that time to get Section 8 certificates either from state or county. A long time ago - agreed - but quite the issue in minority/poor communities.

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1974 Housing and Community Development Act consolidates programs into Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) program. Section 8 tenant-based certificates increase low-income tenants' choice of housing. Gerald R. Ford becomes president following Nixon's resignation.

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but the truth is that over the years Clayton made a point of building apartments and low end subdivisions with parts of them reserved for the section 8 crowd.

Thanks for the clarification. We can't blame Romney for that!!

Just a question Hutch. Were these apartments and low end rentals for 'white' people? Where did the planners think these people were coming from. Why did they feel the need to build low end apartments, etc.?

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Does District Voting mean

anything will change if we have a black northern district with a representative on the BOE or CBC? Well time will tell. Simply watch the SAT scores overtime.

In the meantime park your fears and work to make it work.

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IF the Naacp truly cared

about education, they certainly wouldn't be picking fights with one of the best Public School systems in the State of Georgia.

For the life of me, I don't understand they chose to pick this fight. Or maybe it's not about the quality of the education and something more, skin color maybe? Will it make the Fayette Schools better? A total waste of money ALL the way around.

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Well spy, it is certainly about skin color - NAACP Huh?

National Association About Advancing Colored People.
If that is not about skin color - what is?
So now that the school board has caved, we may get a black person on the school board next election. That's fine. Especially if Smola or Jones leaves. Of course the debate over which schools have to close will continue and now we can inject race into it. Then drag it out for years.

Real issue is on county commission and what will Frady/Horgan/Donkeybreath do? Fight the NAACP to preserve the possibility that Horgan (or someone who looks like him) get elected from up there OR roll over and let the northern district go black. I don't care and you shouldn't either.

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National Association for the Advancement of Colored People

AT least know the correct name of an organization that you fear.

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Morgan, the NAACP, & District Voting

The possibility of having a Black American on the Board of Education or/and the County commission doesn't bother me one bit. The real question is just what sort of change does the NAACP think that will bring? And I've still not seen any examples of how or where the Black American citizens of FC have been ignored or treated any differently than any other citizens. It's more racial politics folks and if they're not careful, the NAACP soon won't have anything to whine about!

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Black Board of Ed member. Doesn't bother me either

Nothing will really change. Big deficit, declining enrollment (which has absolutely nothing to do with race) and some extra schools that will be kept open years beyond what a for-profit business would do. As Mitt Romney said - I'd like to be able to fire these people.

This whole NAAAACP* thing was about county commission anyway, the school board was just a gimme for them since it was obvious the school board didn't have the funds to fight. The county commission might fight it. I see the 3 shorttimers fighting, but when they are replaced and Brown is chair - they'll drop it. Besides, who cares? Let's just have district voting and have each district scrutinize their candidates to screen out egomaniacs and special interest pimps. Can't be any worse than what we have now.

BTW, don't the voters have a say in making this change? Or do we just let 2 liberal housefraus and a brand new board member who leans left (see Mom-in-law's video) make the decision for the 100,000 people who live in Fayette County? Now if the county commission really wants to fight this, do it sweetly - just say to the NAAAACP "ok, you may have a point -we will let the voters decide by putting a choice between at-large and district voting on the ballot. We will even do it this November when all the undocumented and dead come out to vote for Democrats. That good enough for you?"

*National Association All About Advancing Colored People (only). Tired old toothless throwbacks from the 1960's constantly playing the race card.

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NAACP changes that are going on

The NAACP will get what they want because the funds aren't there to take it to the Supreme Court. That is how far the NAACP is willing to go.

Mixed emotions on this. Just an FYI not all who wanted this (district voting) are black and stand with the NAACP. It also had to do with the advancement of white people. Some folks are really unhappy with our county commissioners and BOE board.
They really got over on this one when you read the post filled with racial overtones.

I can see the people in the corner laughing at us for blaming the NAACP for all of this. There's more to this than we know.

I guess we need to catch-up to the rest of the world. Most places near and far have district voting. We have been able to keep it our way far longer than others.

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Just an FYI not all who wanted this (district voting) are black and stand with the NAACP. It also had to do with the advancement of white people. Some folks are really unhappy with our county commissioners and BOE board

THANKS T-MAN!!

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Fine day when humans see people as people. Some thinking all Black's are the same (mind set/thinking) district voting will create another Clayton Co., shows there is still a ways to go. As a famous man said "We will get there" maybe not in our lifetime. As I too had to make a change to understand why.
It is a human instinct to visually see a person and look for similar characteristics, then the differences. Differences are where the color thing comes in play. Got to have those comfort zones.

Funny how the brain works when it has been taught to notice the difference. Very hard to erase. More work then most want to do. Unfortunately we have to wait until they die off and hopefully they have not taught another brain to see the color.

One must ask Why?
That's my rant for the day.

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