NAACP prevails in Fayette school board district lawsuit

MONDAY, Jan. 9, 2011 3:48 p.m. — The Fayette County Board of Education has thrown in the towel and agreed to settle a federal voting rights lawsuit filed by the Fayette Branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) by instituting district voting for each of the board's five posts.

That means that only voters within one of the five districts may vote on the candidates who live within that district.

Still unresolved is the same lawsuit against the Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The school board meets tonight to ratify the settlement.

More details coming.

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Mike King LOL

Not mired in the past - just want to celebrate the progress and looking forward to the future! Difficult to measure progress if you forget the starting point!

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Lock 'em up - and throw away the key!! That's the answer!!!

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DM, reading

I answer sarcasm with sarcasm. Once again though, you didn't read my entire paragraph and didn't understand the point. Oh well. Don Quixote has tried

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Don Quixote to the rescue. I come on line during a 'break' time to relax - and really don't do the comprehensive reading that your talent requires!! LOL Thanks!

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Of course they are not locked up. DM is just exaggerating

to make a point. Doesn't hold up, however since she never got past the basic premise that it is the government's responsibility to house and feed the less fortunate. But since we seem to be doing it now, albeit on a limited and fragmented basis, it must be government's responsibility. So, let's be efficient about it - do the same thing, care for more people and try to educate the next generation in the reservation schools so they can be productive members of society. OR, we can just keep things the way they are now and keep spending on half-measure do-gooder programs that just encourage people (and their children and grandchildren) to do nothing.

No DM, these less fortunate resevation-dwellers would not be locked up, they would be free to come and go as they please. It is just that half-measures like food stamps and Section 8 housing would no longer be available, but this is better. Instead of getting part of your groceries paid for or part of your housing and utilities paid for - on the reservation it is all provided - 100% . No forms to fill out, no photo ID, no nothing. Just consider it a more efficient centralized delivery system for the services that the less fortunate are entitled to.

After all this is a perfect Dem dream scenario. More government is better. They want to control health care, so why not control what we eat and drink, where we live and what we learn in school, what we do for a living and for how much? I mean after a certain point we have made enough money - isn't that right? Huh?

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After all this is a perfect Dem dream scenario. More government is better.

Let's stop pigeon-holing the mess we're in as the fault of the dream or lake of vision of one party. What about the non-involvement of our citizens? What about legislation according to corporate/lobbyist direction? No where do I see it written that it is the governments responsibility to house and feed the less fortunate - BUT Bush (one) tried the thousand lights (volunteers) - and that didn't work. We have organizations (private) that try to accommodate the less fortunate, etc. But with today's economy, unless you have saved up at least three months of monthly expenses, you could be on the welfare role. In this country, our government should be able to assist those who are out of work, retrain those who need further education to find new jobs, feed those who temporally find themselves unable to feed their families - WITH OUT ROUNDING THEM UP AND PUTTING THEM ON A RESERVATION! Don't ya think? I worked hard with Republicans and Democrats revamping a welfare system that didn't work - a system that put generations of families on the welfare roles. It still is not perfect - and does not accommodate our current unemployed - who are not all DEADBEATS! Putting people on a 'reservation' is another form of segregation - and offering no hope of joining the rest of society at any time. When you get tired of feeding them - or run out of money to feed them - what is your solution?

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After all this is a perfect Dem dream scenario. More government is better. They want to control health care, so why not control what we eat and drink, where we live and what we learn in school, what we do for a living and for how much? I mean after a certain point we have made enough money - isn't that right? Huh?

One needing health care is necessary when unfortunately a person contacts some disease - OR has not taken care of his/her body through sensible eating, exercise, etc. Health care would not be so expensive if we had a healthier populace. Health care would not be so expensive if we practiced good preventative health care. But Americans as a whole don't! I see no problem with government trying to get us back on track so that we don't spend so much on health care. No one is forcing anyone to eat correctly - but some regulation is needed on our food producers so that we are not eating preservatives that cause poor health, etc. (Good for the organic business) If more of us used common sense, government could spend more on providing a first class education, innovative ideas for producing products that could be sold to the rest of the world, security, etc., etc. etc., IMHO. Some of the solutions offered - I'm sure in jest , don't require a thoughtful answer. NO MORE RESERVATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES. (Unless the Casinos are truly first class!)

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OK Mom, You right, No more, no more. Let's just keep up spending

We have lots of money to spend on entitlement programs thanks to the alleged expanding economy, the lower unemployment rate and the wealth of those at the top of the economic ladder. If we just tax the top earners some more we can do more of the same spending on those that are "entitled" to the money taken from those who have won life's lottery - meaning what exactly? Tax and spend. Tax and spend, You really believe that works, girl?

And back to original question - Is it the government's responsibility to take care of the less fortunate? If yes - read above above about my solution which is reservations for the less fortunate; if not - never mind.

Of course if you got a better idea, please set it forth.

Try to twist George Bush into your answer pretzel.

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No where do I see it written that it is the governments responsibility to house and feed the less fortunate - BUT Bush (one) tried the thousand lights (volunteers) - and that didn't work. We have organizations (private) that try to accommodate the less fortunate, etc. But with today's economy, unless you have saved up at least three months of monthly expenses, you could be on the welfare role.

Sorry you missed my answer. Never mind. BUSH (one)=Papa Bush not W

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If more of us used common sense, government could spend more on providing a first class education, innovative ideas for producing products that could be sold to the rest of the world, security, etc., etc. etc., IMHO. Some of the solutions offered - I'm sure in jest , don't require a thoughtful answer. NO MORE RESERVATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES. (Unless the Casinos are truly first class!)

We're not doing too great in doing the above for ourselves - so government (the people collectively) can help out.. . . . . security is important - right?

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Agree completely on the common sense

but common sense tells me what we have now - welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits with no serious incentive or requirement to look for work (meaning any work at all) and subsidies for housing and having children does not make things better. It probably helps politicians get votes, but as far as solving the real problem - Naww.

Reservations seem extreme, but you can't just let people pick and choose from a menu of federal and state handouts (and that's what they are) and expect behavior to change. And changing behavior is what is needed. What the politicians did to the black family unit was disgraceful, but more importantly it is now in the third generation of proof positive that it doesn't work and it is not getting any better. That's not to say the only people partaking of the benefits are black, but you have to admit the black family unit and I daresay the entire black community was much stronger and cohesive before Johnson's Great Society nonsense. I blame the politicians that come up with this stuff much more than I do the people who are receiving benefits.

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welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits with no serious incentive or requirement to look for work

Most citizens in FC do not come in contact with too many people who are receiving 'welfare' - but they are here, and some of us do come in contact with them. (They look and act just like everyone else - and come in all different colors) Today's welfare system has improved from the one you mention - and there is incentive to work - or you lose your benefits after a certain period. In today's economy, there are well-educated, hard working individuals who have been earnestly looking for work over a year! I sense that you have a good and decent heart - but your view of what is happening in this country and in FC is just not based on reality. I have met teachers whose husbands have been out of work - and they are desperately trying to maintain their living standard on a teachers salary - when the husband made much more. They are on some type of welfare. They just aren't as obvious - and their skin color is 'white'.

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That's not to say the only people partaking of the benefits are black, but you have to admit the black family unit and I daresay the entire black community was much stronger and cohesive before Johnson's Great Society nonsense. I blame the politicians that come up with this stuff much more than I do the people who are receiving benefits.

I won't say that at all! But my perspective is from one who is part of the 'black' community - and has not only seen the change in the 'black' community since Johnson's Great Society - but has benefitted from those 'changes'.
I benefitted from the 'positive' changes - and there were many. The nation has suffered from the changes that can't be blamed on Johnson's Great Society. (The drug culture that hit our cities during and after Viet Nam; the change in mores as seen in our media; the lack of parenting in black and white homes; etc. etc., etc.) There seems to be an attitude of blaming the failure of our living up to our words in our Constitution and Declaration of Independence on the changing of Jim Crow laws - and treating 'blacks' as American citizens. IMHO

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DM, you must admit the following....

That the number one problem with parents these days is illegitimacy and the poverty that inveritably follows it. Although all demographics have seen a rise throughout the twentieth century, the black community sees an illegitimacy rate above 70%. All other demographics averaged together is around 33%. Immigrants are now more likely to have out of wedlock births than natives now. The black illegitimacy rate (IR) rose sharply in the 1960's. Although correlation does not necessarily mean causation, can you see that perhaps the Great Society catastrophically raised the IR for blacks and has increased the IR for all demographics? Many good things happened in the 1960's, but LBJ's Great Society kick started our collective families' decline.

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That the number one problem with parents these days is illegitimacy and the poverty that inveritably follows it

Our younger generation is not blind. They call us hypocrites - and for good reason. Their heroes (movie/sports stars) are glamorized when men and women don't marry - have children, etc. We castigate gays and lesbians because they want to marry. We promote for leadership men who have divorced, cheated, etc. and vilify a leader who so far has one wife - and as of today - no marital scandal. IMO, the number one problem is not illegitimacy - but the cause of illegitimacy. Lack of home training, lack of parent involvement, lack of community morals. By the way, not every young girl who chooses to have her baby out of wedlock lacks support from home and community - but the records still record that child as illegitimate - and a negative. Statistics, as sad as they are, don't always reflect the 'true' picture.
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RWMorgan, Just the idea of internment camps and military

police for anyone that happens to be down on their luck sounds like apartheid and would be an American embarrassment if it ever came to be.

What next, “Soylent Green” manufacturing plants to replace Medicare?

Just for the sake of argument, once someone gets put on the “reservation” how does one get out?

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Ok Gort, think of them as "Shelters"

They are certainly not internment camps because people can leave any time they want. And there is no racial or ethnic component to this plan. It is simply a centralized delivery service for government handouts run by the government in specific locations. If you want the government to feed and house you, you simply go to a reservation of your choosing. Reservations that are self-contained and self-supporting (except for healthy injections of government money) will help all involved. They satisfy the unfortunate ones immediate food and shelter needs and training and education of the next generation promises them a brighter future. No doubt an experienced liberal government worker or party hack can come up with a better name than reservation or shelter - they are so good at renaming things to make them sound better than they really are, so that problem will take care of itself.

As far as getting off the reservation - simple. When you don't need the 3 hots and a cot anymore - just leave. Naturally you would need a job and a place to stay on the outside, but that is the point of training and education and even working for minimum wage inside. And best of all, when you leave and are self-sufficient, you get your right to vote back.

This is simply one idea. There are probably other solutions - offer one up. It is hard to create, easy to critique.

I don't think that just keep on doing the same thing and increasing the benefit amounts and stretching out the time frame indefinitely is helping. It is certainly costly and there will be a time when it all implodes and then there will be a huge revolt among those that expect their handouts. Be better to plan ahead and avoid all that unpleasantness.

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RWMorgan, oh really, people can leave whenever they want?

That’s a different story! If I believed what some people say in ‘The Citizen’ we already have, (ahem,) the ‘Shelters’ you describe, (absent the military police.) They call it Clayton County, and possibly District 5 in Fayette County?

Now that you have ‘em all rounded up for your convenience, SLindsey and the GOP can teach them all how to fish, and everything will work out just swell now, won’t it?

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Drinking and blogging don't mix, angry dude

So many issues, so little time. Please try and focus.

I understand the liberal mindset, but introducing alcohol into it does not help.

Please just go back to chanting about "fairness" and "equality" and then we will get along.

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RWM Camp

Will the mentally & physically challenge be sent to the proposed National Benefits camp?

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Wow, good question t-man

Not sure how that would work. The National Benefits Camp (love the name) is mainly there to streamline the benefit process for the economic less fortunate. While disabled people can have economic issues as well, their care is specialized and handled mostly by family and private insurance. I know some public dollars are involved as well, so I really don't know how to handle that. Guess we will need to convene a blue ribbon panel to study the issue.

NBC ( I think we can start using those initials since the TV network of the same name is sliding into oblivion) is designed for people who need help on a temporary basis. The goal is to eventually get everyone trained and working and off the dole. Disabled people can't cure their condition by training or willpower. And of course the staff needed to work with these people is highly specialized and expensive and permanent. Oh what the heck, just let them in. It is only government money. Right? Might even create some more government jobs. And we can use Special Olympics money as well. What about Jerry Lewis? Could he help fundraise?

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T-man, your probably wasting you time. Once RWM

exhausts his vocabulary of ‘buzz words’ all he got left is name calling and the usual, “I know all about you blah, blah, blah, blah…

Round people up in camps so its convenient? Gee whiz, like nothing could ever go wrong with that.

I do still wonder if RWM would make it a mandate like the ‘Obama Cares, (with Romney’s help,) Health Insurance” law?

Heh, heh, heh!

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Once again, it is completely voluntary

One simply has to go to one of the camps to receive the benefits rather than a check in the mail. The only people who will be "rounded up" would be the homeless street people, usually the week before the Super Bowl or the Republican Convention.

Note to those that will oversee this program: Be sure public transportation is in place so the less fortunate can easily travel to their camp. Of course anyone driving to camp in a fancy car would have to allow the car to be put in a common car rental pool for the use of all camp residents - fair is fair. Priority on using these cars would be given to those who are commuting to work. And carpooling is mandatory.

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RWMorgan, Once again I say, you already got them

rounded up.

The time is now for the GOP and SLindsey to teach them how to fish.

Let us know when you start so we can measure your progress? 8 - )

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RWM and the NBC

One thing you are not counting is the money spent for the physically & mentally challenged individuals:

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While disabled people can have economic issues as well, their care is specialized and handled mostly by family and private insurance

that is not true most are cared for by the Gov't. Remember the norm is the parents die's before the child, what happens to that person when no one is alive to care for them.

Robert- We all are aware that the majority of the Fed budget is benefit programs. What % of the people on our dime are truley needing it and what is the % of fraud? We can reduce the headcount in the camp if we solve the fraud issue?

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I do have to laugh, DM...

...not at your response but in the American slavery experience and Indian mistreatment in general. Hindsight being 20-20 and applying today's mores to yesterday's issues and history is simply just laughable. Slavery and mistreatment of conquered people(s) has gone on for THOUSANDS of years. To think that the US, with its remarkable Constitution, that has existed for little more than a micro-second on history's clock and the hypocrisy it entails, should be denigrated for what it DIDN'T do is cause to LOL! It provided the flexibility for those downtrodden folk to overcome the promised equities, and for many it has provided such. The sad (or designed) ignorance that ONLY the black or Indian American suffered such action(s) in the scope of history only allows for capitulations to this idea.

Slavery and such existed in the world FAR before the concept of the US ever existed. In the 'Old World' it was common practice. Only until Great Britain outlawed the practice did anyone in the Western Hemisphere is consider stopping it (there may be other examples, but talking quickly off-the-cuff here). Using skin color, et al, to advance any kind position should be looked at as an ulterior motive in day and age, IMHO.

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Using skin color, et al, to advance any kind position should be looked at as an ulterior motive in day and age,

Using skin color, et. al., to deny any kind of position should be looked at as an ulterior motive in this day and age.

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Agreed, DM...!

Good point! Since I was relating this to the current BOE issue, you're belief is people other than those who are white were being denied positions on the Fayette BOE because of the color of their skin?

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Many feel that they, regardless of color, were being denied representation for the needs of their particular community - had nothing to do with race - and has been 'table talk' for over three years in Fayetteville. BOE in particular - when students were being reassigned to different schools from the same community.

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Ok, DM...

...if you say so. I haven't followed it too closely; just find it unusual the NAACP decided to represent all these unrepresented people, but I don't know; maybe they fight wrong wherever they find it, like the ACLU.

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Was never represented at any of the 'talks' of District representation that I attended. It's my understanding that they made it quite clear who they represented. I guess some powers that be thought they could kill the idea if they threw in the 'race' card. It looks like the 'race' card,(equal representation) however, won. Don't have children enrolled in FC schools - but I do believe in the social advantages of neighborhood schools - and not having small neighborhoods divided by persons who don't live in the neighborhood.

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Huh? The naacp

is the little group who started the lawsuit because they have not been able to get one of "their people" elected. ( their words, not mine) The naacp made this an issue about color and race. If they didn't have a lawyer at any of these meetings they are wasting your membership fees.

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OK.

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Sorry, DM...

...you've lost me. The NAACP was never represented at any 'talks' of BOE District representation? Were they supposed to be? They (who?) made it clear who they represented? Who was that? What powers-that-be tried to kill the idea w/ a race card? So representation is required to be by race? Is that a state law? You've really confused me. Can you clarify, please?

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Members of different communities in an informal gathering three years or so ago when the BOE was considering dividing community attendance areas were discussing 'who' was representing them on the BOE. DIfferent communities - not based on race, but on interest on the attendance area of their students - had a representative speak for them at a BOE meeting. AND I'M ACCUSED OF SEEING EVERYTHING USING THE 'RACE CARD'. Legally,someone may have seen that the most effective way of addressing this situation was to rely on the law of equal opportunity as stated in the VRA. I would guess that at least two interested parts of Fayette County used their knowledge as to how to get around Dirtrictwide voting . Now its up to the integrated communities to see that this is not used to seat an unwanted politician on the Board who may not have the qualifications of Presberg - if he runs for the District 5 office.

Help! 48% of minorities in Fayaette County who live in a certain area may vote as if they are in Clayton County. . and take away 'white power'. When will this craziness stop? It's almost as if the concept of one drop of black taints the entire community. What a disrepectful attitude to those 'blacks' in this community who have been here and been contributing citizens for well over 20 years. I'm assured that those who believe in this racist manner are in a minority today. I hope so. This attitude ruins what is a great American community. Are you still lost?

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...and how has that worked for Clayton County?

Lower per capita wages.

Lower per capita Healthcare.

Lower per capita Home prices.

Lower per capita Education stats.

Lower per capita Graduation rates.

Higher per capita Crime states.

Higher per capita drug usage.

Higher per capita poverty rates.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13063.html

Yep the NAACP has done a swell job there. I guess we are next.

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Lower per capita wages.

Lower per capita Healthcare.

Lower per capita Home prices.

Lower per capita Education stats.

Lower per capita Graduation rates.

Do you see a correlation here between the above and higher crime rate? Skin color has nothing to do with it. When you eliminate the poor, uneducated, skill-less white people from certain areas of this country - share your technique and success with the NAACP - I'm sure they will appreciate your research and help!

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The correlation you seek DM

is clear. When you take a population, feed it, house it, and care for it.. it forgets how to do so on it's own. Much like domesticated Dogs BUT the problem are Humans are never to be just content with their station. That lack of dignity and lack of contentment breeds resentment which in turn breeds the normal issues that we all suffer from. Self-Esteem or the lack thereof.

DM I am going to step out on a limb and go ahead and put it out there. It needs to be said. The problem with the Black community is not White people holding them down... it is you and those like you who constantly excuse poor decisions and poor behavior as racism.

Drugs, murder, rapes, burglary, robberies, lack of an education, lack of motivation all are just the symptoms of the Entitlement disease and the belief that anything the black community does they are not responsible for it. It's racism and bigotry and it's not their fault.

DM you guys need to clean up your own backyard before you worry about your neighbors.

btw- pull the stats for Clayton county BEFORE the NAACP takeover and after. Numbers don't lie DM people do.

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DM I am going to step out on a limb and go ahead and put it out there. It needs to be said. The problem with the Black community is not White people holding them down... it is you and those like you who constantly excuse poor decisions and poor behavior as racism.

You are way out of line. . .and about to fall off that limb. But please do us all a favor and share with us how you and others have solved these problems in the 'white' community - (yes the problems also exist in the 'whtie' community) and although I have never blamed the 'white' community for the problems in the 'black' community - your intelligence and guidance in helping us solve these problems will be much appreciated.

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DM that's the problem

You and yours blame Whites for all of your issues.

Now don't get me wrong some Whites blame blacks as well for their failures. You see DM once as a people we all start to look in the mirror and place the blame where it belongs.. a lot of problems might just be addressed.

However keep blaming someone else DM for all of the Communities issues. It has worked so well.

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Your facts are dead on but some people don't want to hear the truth (DAVID'S MOM). Please excuse her because she is a educated black and must be heard. She claims to be from California , a left coast Liberal. She knows exactly how to run Fayette County with her MOREHOUSE Education that she proudly parades. She knows all the prominent blacks personally like BILL COSBY, MLK,SPIKE LEE, JIM BROWN,OBAMA ect. but, doesn't claim the thugs from the newspaper headlines. Fayette will be just fine under her guidance just like Clayton and Fulton. She is quick to play the race card and call all white people racist if we don't share her point of view. Nothing you can say will appease her or her boyfriend HUTCH. Its obvious some people don't have jobs , because they live on the internet all day.(david's mom) Enjoy your HOLIDAY and Parade on Monday ,while I work to pay taxes to support those who won't. MY break time is over and must go back to work.

Debating the deaf is a mute point.

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The more you share, the more your ignorance shows. Morehouse is a college/unitversity for MEN! The MLK day is day of service - that many blacks and whites observe by volunteering in their respective communities throughout the country. I no more claim the black criminals than you claim relationship with white criminals. (or do you?) All people and all southerners are not racist - and that I have found out since living here for seven years. . . .yet you and your insecure cohorts pop up to justify your antiquated mores.

I should have counted to 150 before answering this nonsense. I'm through. It's a beautiful day!

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Yes and no, DM...

...and thanks for the backround on the issue. I still don't see why the NAACP is involved if this is such a 'colorless' issue and all kinds of different ethnic groups in that area want this. Did the citizens of this area approach the NAACP and ask them to do this?

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Did the citizens of this area approach the NAACP and ask them to do this?

I have no idea.

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DM, that's what I was wondering...

...how did the NAACP come to represent this collective group, or did they insert themselves into this fray?

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Cute question - but you won't pass the bar with that kind of questioning. The NAACP represented themselves. I think that was clear in their complaint. Did you read it? I think the complainants are listed. David's Mom is not on the list.

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DM, I really don't know...

...about such things and how they work/are approached; I've never been involved with this kind of action. Legally, I've had a few speeding tickets, so I'm at a loss, generally, when it comes to legal issues/events - I'll have to hire a lawyer to write my questions, I guess! I mentioned I haven't followed this at all. Sometimes simple questions are the hardest to truthfully answer.

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you said it well and I can't agree more.

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white version of NAACP

Can someone please tell me what the name of the white version of the NAACP is? Oh right, there isn't one because that would be racist. Yes, let's throw in the towel again, back down to them. I guess Gwinnett county is going to do the same thing up there. If you saw the story there, the man said he had to explain to his son why he was so upset. Yes, because the child was not thinking "racism" - this is taught to them. They learn it. The NAACP and all the followers will keep this race game going forever. They had that intent when they came up with that organization to begin with. Well yes, let's just sit back and wait, see how soon Fayette becomes another Clayton.

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Counterpart to NAACP?

Unfotunately, too many minorities feel that would be the Republican Party. Sad. 'them' - wow, we're designated as 'them'. Thanks hsh87. You aren't viewed as 'racist' at all. NOT

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Abe Lincoln weeps..

Or better yet, he's offended.

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I think his spirit is a little uplifted as he sees the monument to MLK not far from his monument in our capital. The 'experiment' in human relations that Lincoln had some second thoughts about is working. Slavery and Jim Crow did not reflect what the words of our Constitution implied. He may be offended in some instances - but I hope he notes the growth. He didn't expect it to be easy. IMHO

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"them" is part of the sentence

Um, David's mom, "them" is referring to the NAACP. Someone cries NAACP and everyone backs down and goes running scared with their tail tucked between their legs. "Them" didn't refer to a race but an organization. But apparently you are a reverse discriminator and take everything anyone says as "racist". I've read some of your other comments. But you see this is the problem I speak about. People like you that take everything and make it a race issue.

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I'm learning from you how not to do that! Thanks!

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Might as well just rename Fayetteville "Riverdale South"

Do you really think that the NAACP is concerned about education? Of course not! They are only concerned about installing a black person on the BOE. They will not stop there. They will continue to cry "racism" at every turn until the corruption of Fulton County government and Clayton county government is installed in Fayette county. They will not stop until Fayette County schools lose their accreditation.

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Another non-racist comment from the peanut gallery. You are truly entertaining - and predictable. LOL! Again, for clarification, Riversdale's complexion changed during the preparation for the Olympics in Atlanta when so many neighborhoods were taken over by the 'committee' for the beautification of Atlanta. (Some in this discussion may have rented to Section 8 tenants) The bulk of the 16% of minorities that reside in Fayette County came here to live in Weiland-like Homes without having to move to the Cascades - a historical prosperous 'black' community. or drive the 400 to Alpharetta or Buckhead. The majority came from areas where they were accustomed to living in integrated neighborhoods with intelligent American citizens who truly judged persons by their character; by how they kept their lawns; by how they took pride in their neighborhood. With the coming of the Porche factory, realtors just may steer many of their engineers, technicians, office personnel away from a county with limited tolerance for those who are not 'white'. What a shame that will be. Ignorant attitudes and no transportation is not exactly inviting to 'newcomers' - especially those who are looking for an excellent public school system. Unless your neighbors 'rent' to Section 8 tenants, you really don't have to worry about a Riverdale transformation for most of Fayette County. However, as we did, newcomers will take a look at some of the comments or editorials in the local media because Fayette County still has remnants of a past reputation, but they will see the pictures of activities, read the Fayette Woman, and realize that this is really a wonderful community to raise a family.

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Are you being serious DM?

I grew up in Clayton County. Graduated from Morrow High School in 1981. I know what happened.

Do you really want to blame the Olympics?

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dm : You Need to do More Research

I was here in the late 80's early 90's. I had just relocated from up north for a job here. I watched Clayton County fall into a train wreck of bovine manure.
This is what I saw: I first moved into Clayton County because at the time it was the most desirable place to live on the south side of Atlanta. They had low crime and good schools, it was still close enough to Atlanta so going out for a night wasn't a hardship. East Point was a crime filled train wreck. Fayette County was a cow pasture, nothing to do, low crime, but still nothing here. Newnan was even more of a sleepy pasture.

1 the naacp was issuing a daily barrage of whining and false cries of racism. They need "their people" in charge of Clayton county politics. They said "their needs" couldn't be met with "whites" in control of everything. They had to have "their people" in charge to make things "better" ???? The naacp leaders were going to "improve" ????...everything for everyone.

2 The naacp slowly got more of "their people" elected. Those good people started to change the landscape of clayton county by approving cluster homes, section 8 apartments and the like. As these changes took place from 1989-1994 crime went up, test scores in the schools took a nose dive. The demographics started to change as soon as the crime started to go up. Which in turn precipitated a higher crime rate and white flight.
As soon as white flight started it was like a runaway train. It couldn't be stopped. This happened before the olympics ever came to town.

I'm surprised that the naacp doesn't want to clean up the mess they made of clayton county. They got "their people" elected. That was supposed to improve everything over there for everyone.

I have many friends that are lifelong Atlanta residents they say that what happened in clayton county is the same thing that happened in East Point and DeKalb county also. The naacp was going to "fix everything" ???.., if they could just get "their people " elected and in charge it would take care of everything. They said they were the solution to the problem of low crime and good schools that clayton county enjoyed. They were going to save the county from their own success.
That is why many people including myself don't have any respect or trust for the motives of the naacp. The naacp in the Atlanta area has not demonstrated good faith or good motives over the years. They come to destroy communities that are clean safe and have good schools. They don't come to join us in our success, they come to destroy.

The demographics, crime stats, and test scores have all changed in the last 4 yrs. in Fayette County. The naacp has done much whining and sniveling about what they need. They changed clayton county to high crime , and a county with low performing schools so I guess that is what they think they need. Everything the naacp has touched since I have been in the Atlanta metro area has turned to bovine manure.

Here is what I and many other people who moved to Fayette County need:

1. We need low crime safe communities to live in

2. We need a good school system

3. We need to be free of people who gratuitously play the race card just to destroy peaceful, successful communities.

Time will tell if Fayette county will continue to be a success story, or if it will follow the way of Clayton County.
I hope for the best, but have already planned for the worst.

A question for all of our citizens:

1. Why did you chose to live in Fayette County over Clayton or Fulton Counties?

2. How much change will you tolerate if that change is not for the better?

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Clayton County BOE - and the change

This is what Cynthia Tucker had to say about it.

http://www.racematters.org/blacksinpoweroftenmisuseit.htm

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Cy, Clayco & "the change"

Yes, and it was in the midst of that when Frau Gym retired from the Clayco School System in May 2004!

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Thanks for sharing this!! I honestly feel that this situation would not happen in Fayette County. BUT, at least if we see a 'race-baiting' politician cross the county line, there will be citizens who will protest/protect. I am going to make an attempt to ride around DIstrict 5 just to see what all the uproar is about. The map is a bit confusing to me. Can you give me some 'main road' perimeters of the area? Thanks. (There are many who agree with Cynthia Tucker - that's why we're in Fayette County and not Clayton.)

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Don't waste your time as a "drive-by" won't be necessary.

I would like to think that nothing will develop from this. Likewise, I have the same outlook when the county commissioners do the same as the BOE. It's going to happen and we all just better get over it.

BTW, my state representative and senator would rather represent interests in Clayton County. How do I remedy that? Voting doesn't seem to work as I must be a minority. Oh well....

Oh, directions...I'm guessing SR 314 and north to the county line.

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Just let me know - I'd be happy to go in and demand equal time for you - a non-minority!! LOL

Thanks for the info.

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A question for all of our citizens:
1. Why did you chose to live in Fayette County over Clayton or Fulton Counties?
2. How much change will you tolerate if that change is not for the better?

We did our research - and choose Fayette County seven years ago. We have not seen any Section 8 housing established in Fayetteville. Believe me, when and if we do, we will protest. We have relatives and friends who lived in Clayton County - and they moved to Alpharetta, Buckhead, and Marietta. (Possibly when you moved to Fayette) The flight was not just 'white' flight - but middle class flight. There are still nice areas in Clayton County (Hampton) - and an area by a lake that blacks/whites find pleasant. The change that I have seen in Fayetteville is: Improved Main Street, Disappointment that proposed housing developments fell through due to the 'bubble burst',
and influx of 'newcomers' who do not equate lower living standards with the color of ones skin. When some here equate ALL crime with ALL blacks - I call that playing the race card - and politicians use that fear to the hilt. Thank you for taking the time to share what you have experienced here. I have no personal knowledge of the personnel in the local NAACP - but I really find it strange that here in the heart of the south, the NAACP has such power. I will do further research on that issue. Interesting that there is still fear of the law of equal representation/opportunity. Blacks/the NAACP were/are not the only citizens in Fayette County who are happy about the change in voting here. District 5 may just elect a 'white' representative. I have no idea - I don't live there. However - thanks for putting in writing your concern for Fayette County. Remember, the black citizens of Fayette County do not live or vote in Clayton County. We have invested considerable funds here in Fayette County, and are just as concerned about our investment as 'white' citizens. If the leadership here does not protect our investment - we will leave. We want good neighbors, attractive homes, good business opportunities, good schools.
To assume that citizens who have worked hard, studied hard, and invested wisely do not want the same because of the color of their skin is ludicrous - but some tell me this is a remnant of the old south and American racism..

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dm Research: Start w/ the City of Hampton

it's in Henry County.

I relocated from up North. Everyone worked hard and we ALL worked together. We lived peacefully, and worked together peacefully. We ALL had the same goals, and we were ALL proud of the community we worked and lived in.

The difference between the north and the south is that I really didn't see people pull the race card when they got caught doing something wrong. I see that on the evening news here in Atlanta every night. None of my friends or family members could believe it so I had to record the evening news to show them what was going on here. Where I come from no one of any race expected to be given a free pass because of race. Racist blacks like you have served as an educational experience for me. Thanks, you opened up my eyes to an ugly side of America that I didn't know.

Why has the naacp not made an attempt to clean up clayton county? They have all of "their people" in place, so by their own logic clayton county should be a wild "success story".......and yet we see crime and failure....

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Skyspy. I had to count to 100 before responding.

I'm always amazed that you are Completely blind to white racism, even from your own words at times, yet so quick to push the 'whites are being victimized by blacks and/or the NAACP' narrative.
We live in a country where the former Speaker of the House refers to President Obama as the 'Food stamp president'. You still have Republican buddies calling him a Kenyan who hates whites and is not a legitimate president.

Here locally, many are spring loaded to put black faces on every crime even when perps are not black.

We see all of this gloom and doom from poor victimized members of the majority over district voting.

District voting is the most prevalent type of voting in our country. Whites still get to vote.

Every day you wake up the majority will still control the VAST majority of our nation's wealth. Nothing wrong with that.

You will have better healthcare, a longer life span, and a higher quality of life than your average minority.

Nothing wrong with that either, but PLEASE save the 'woe is me' victim act. How dare a minority group use the legal system to seek a goal they desire to achieve! Who do they think they are?

The NAACP brought a suit. They won. If you want to be mad, be mad at our legal system, not the group who acted within the law to affect a change they felt was just. Poor poor disadvantaged downtrodden victimized majority affluent citizens. When will their pain be eased?

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Kev: Cheers to You

They call obumbles the food stamp president , because the use of them has increased during his 3yrs.

Just like they called the little shanty towns that sprung up during Hoovers term "Hoovervilles"

Are you saying that obama is above criticism? Should we give him a free pass? He has increased our national debt, in 3yrs he has run up the credit card double what it took Bush 8yrs to build. There is just no way you can put a positive spin on that.

As far as local politics go there are always places that are worse off, and there are always places that are better to live in.

Have a good day.

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Hey Sky. Hug the horsies for me. I will never say Obama is ...

above criticism. but he IS NOT KENYAN. And *conservatives did not call Reagan or Bush "food stamp presidents" even though the numbers of citizens on government assistance increased with them both. Conservatives didn't call McCain a Panamanian, did they? But they love to highlight "Hussein" and the "Kenyan" connection. Must just be coincidence. Again. Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich specifically singled out BLACKS last week when speaking about government assistance. What up with that?! Santorum later said he meant, "Bluhbluh" something, but that's horse crap. He said "Blacks."

My point has always been that the racial angst is misplaced. I asked you and Lindsey what is wrong with a group using legal means to affect a change they feel is needed? I pointed out that most elections in the good ole USA are done by districts, so that people's votes are more localized. Whites, blacks, browns all still have the right to vote here. So why the beef with an organization working within their legal rights? If you are going to be ticked off, should it not be at the board who chose not to go to the mat with this fight? I don't get the anger at those who work legally within the system. And I don't get the blindness to the very racist comments here, suggesting that blacks like me are inherently inferior (Darrylwd). I'd love for he and I to conduct some sort of experiment to see how we mentally stack up. We could attribute all results to race. Anywho, we have all beaten this horse so many times before (sorry. Bad analogy). I wish we'd give it a rest.

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Kevin : Misplaced Angst

I don't think anyone questions the use of legal means to change any policy.

I and many others who were here in the early 90's remember what happened and how it all started. This is exactly how the train wreck started in Clayton county. The naacp needed district voting, because otherwise "their people" couldn't get elected. Many of the people who are in Fayette County moved here from Clayton county. We have already seen this movie and we didn't like how it ended.

It is very hard to believe that the naacp has good intentions this time around. Maybe they have evolved. When we see the T-shirts that say " We took DeKalb, we took East Point, we took Clayton and you are next Fayette" the message is taken as being aggressive. I don't know if the naacp prints or endorses those T-shirts or not. The message is clear . It is worn by angry blacks who want to destroy our community. There is no other way to interpret the message on those T-shirts. They want to destroy a good community. White people who moved here from Clayton aren't the only ones who are disgusted with this message. Many of my black friends from work moved away from Clayton county also as the county deteriorated.

There are no easy answers. Should we trust that the naacp wants to leave our county intact and maybe even improve it? Past history shows us that there are no success stories, just a trail of crime and broken communities. However, there is always a first for everything. Maybe this time they do mean well.

We all have choices to make. There will always be that new "best place" to live. Moving isn't a bad thing it gives us a chance to meet new people, and explore new communities.

I hugged the horses and dogs for you. Consider yourself hugged until I see you. This is a tough issue and we really have beat it to death.

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Thks Skyspy. It starts with NOT moving. I'm not going anywhere.

The race issue always gets ugly here. I don't know why. But we are just talking about one district (and one member potentially) of the school board. Our schools will be just as good in ten years as they are now. You and I both know how well we get along. This school board issue won't change that. We both want lower crime, competent local governance, and strong resale on our real estate investments. Has nothing to do with our skin color. I'm not an NAACP supporter or member, but I do not see them trying to destroy our community. I see them trying to strengthen their political position in our county. But they lose as many cases a they win. I don't see their desire for district voting as unreasonable. And I haven't seen the t-shirt, but would NEVER support its message. Good Sunday to you my friend.

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Kevink &lawsuit

Kevin, I think most folks are upset because they see the lawsuit was driven primarily by a special interest group ( which can walk away no matter the end results) and not by citizens. I don't think there are any incidents of Black Americans appearing before the FC Board of Education and raising issues about discrimination or non-representation. If you still lived here wouldn't you be concerned about ALL members of the BOE, seeing as they make decisions that effect the whole FC Education System--which obviously has some effect on your boys. What I do know is, that if there were really problems, folks like you and I could sit down and work it out. Hey, be extra cautious on the Active!!

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they see the lawsuit was driven primarily by a special interest group ( which can walk away no matter the end results) and not by citizens.

The complaintants in the NAACP are not citizens of Fayete County? Interesting.

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Athomegym. You didn't know I'm Bi-

Coastal? I got a place here back before XMAS. Now split time between the Georgia beaches and the Oklahoma beaches. Athome: Read some of the comments here suggesting blacks are THE racists; black society is inferior; blacks are the angry ones; Again, law suits and lawyers are never a problem here in Fayco if they are helping Republicans. It's so obvious it's funny.

And Lindsey and Skyspy even try to pretend there are no racial overtones to political references between blacks, our President, and food stamps; no racial undercurrent in continuously trying to make Obama an illegitimate Kenyan; Barack the magic negro is the song, is it not? With every racist post by Darryl and PTCavenger, it is incredible to see others on the same thread denying racism aimed at blacks.

You know why at large voting is dying Athomegym? It allows a majority to override the votes of what may be a neighboring minority.

Let's take the Koch brother's cloud factory in Enid Oklahoma. Say the cloud factory is polluting the air of neighboring communities due to cutting corners on emitions controls. And say we have an at large vote as to who will comprise a commission to police the Koch brother's clean-up.

The Koch brothers, having more money than Mitt Romney, could reasonably support members of this commission who are lax on regulation, promising folks in non-effected communities cheap fertilizer.

But there is little chance the Koch brothers could effect the votes of those being poisoned around their cloud factory if voting was by district. The district under the cloud factory would have different concerns than the outlying folks who just want cheap fertilizer.

At large voting would allow the Koch brothers. having more money than even Mitt Romney, to buy all of the votes, being that the majority of voters would not live under the Koch brother's cloud. Far fetched example? I think not?

http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-010316/south%20fulton/sf-...

DISTRICT 7, in the article above, has different concerns than Fulton County at large.

My point is at large voting is going the way of the dinasaur. It is not the NAACP's fault. They were just a special interest group, much like the Chamber of Commerce is a special interest group, fighting for change they wanted to see. It is what it is my friend.

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So kevin

if a black man criticized Bush was he therefore racist??

Just wondered because using your standards that would be a yes.

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Is calling Obama a Kenyan a "Criticism?"

Is Barack the magic negro a criticism? Is saying he has a deep seeded hatred of whites a valid criticism? Will you contort arguments any way possible to try and cover for racist undertones? Suits me. My guy is the President. I'm good.

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Oh kev I am not saying there is no racism

I just don't think it's under every rock like you and DM seem to do.

Was calling Bush Hitler racist if it was said by a black man?

Didn't you criticize Bush as well? Are you therefore racist by your own standards?

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Must be kryptonite near Steve.

Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker. You never did tell me why santorum and Gingrich, speaking to majority white audiences in a GOP primary would single our blacks when discussing welfare. Odd seeing that whites are the majority demographic on govt assistance.

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It's official helping "blacks" is racist

"MSNBC guest Joy-Ann Reid, who writes for NBCUniversal-owned website theGrio.com, suggested that Mitt Romney was racist for helping a struggling African American woman he met while on the campaign-trail by giving her money from his own wallet. ”It galls me,” Reid started. “I don’t even like to watch it. I felt like it plays into every sort of patronizing stereotype of black people. Oh, here’s this little lady, let me give her 50 bucks.”

The woman, Ruth Williams, said she was praying for divine guidance as to how she would pay a late electric bill when she happened upon the Romney tour bus. After talking to Romney about her troubles, he reportedly gave the woman approximately $50 to help her pay the electric bill.

Rather than consider the instances full-context, however, Reid was outraged by what she considered to be a condescending act."

Getting silly isn't.

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Obama quote

Barack Obama: "White folks’ greed runs a world in need"

Obama is a racist.

Nuff said.

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Wrong again Joe

That's not an Obama quote. It's from Dreams of My Father where Obama is reciting a line from a sermon.

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Obama thought so highly of the sermon from his racist, marxist mentor of 20 years that he put it in his book.

Obama is a racist.

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Again Kev I don't have to answer for them

but you have to answer for you.

Is criticism of Bush by a black man racist using your standards?

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kevin how is Criticism of a President Racism???????
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We live in a country where the former Speaker of the House refers to President Obama as the 'Food stamp president'.

Let's examine.. Food Stamp President. Are you contending only Blacks receive Food Stamps thus somehow this equates to a racial slur?

Now under this administration has the amount of recipients of Food Stamps increased? Yes it has.. so isn't it a proper critique of ANY President to examine poverty in America?

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You still have Republican buddies calling him a Kenyan who hates whites and is not a legitimate president.

Again here criticism or even horrors "name calling" is racist? Just because President Obama happens to be Black kev does not equate to racism when people make statements, yes even stupid statements, about him.

You guys keep throwing out the race card however kev. More people are getting immune to it. Sort of like the "Boy and Wolf" story.

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yes even stupid statements,

.and that's the truth!!,

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You rationalize with the best of em Lindsey

Both Newt and Santorum addressed food stamps as related to Blacks, even though more whites are on the dole. The conservative attempts to link blacks and food stamps is obvious. To all but you.

The Kenyan digs are obviously rooted in racism, and you whistled passed the local issue I brought up didn't you?

So tell me, Steve. What's wrong with a group using the legal system to attain their idea of what is just?

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Yes Kev they mentioned black ok so what?

as in I don't want to give them a hand out I want to give them an opportunity.
“I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money.”

So by saying they want to help blacks that's racist now?

Buddy you need to lighten up... Next thing you know you will be see guys in white sheets everywhere you look.

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So Spinning Slindsey. Why would two lilly white guys running in

a GOP primary single out blacks when talking about welfare? Are they running to be black folks' president? Spin spin spin dude. You're half way to florida on your spin cycle. Then to South Carolina........

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Lilly White, Kevin?

That's a raaaaaaacissssst slur that black people use to describe white people.

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So let me get this straight Kevin

If a White Guy running for President says I want to help black people....That's Racist.

AND

If a White Guy running for President ignores the topic of helping black people....That too is racist?

Is that your argument Kevin....Really?

Don't worry Keven you don't have to answer we understand.

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Why would they mention a particular race at all Steve?

What race card tricks were they playing? Aces of spades?

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You're not answering Kevin

How is saying I want to help blacks racist? That was YOUR contention.

So again Kevin... Is your argument that if a White man running for President mentions blacks at all now racist?

Since you yourself criticized President Bush isn't that therefore also racist according to YOUR standards?

Addendum: Kevin are you saying you can read their minds and know their intentions and what is in their hearts?

What gave you this God like power?
I'll be waiting right here for that answer.

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You'll wait. I'll enjoy dinner with the family.

Of course you have no answer for why two white republicans in a GOP primary would choose to single out black people, specifically and exclusively, when discussing welfare. You don't want to say they are playing the ultimate race card trying to get the white vote. That's why Santorum lied when confronted and said he got tongue-tied, and it just happened to come out as "Blacks." A pathetic excuse. Newt at least owned up to his ham-fisted treatment of racial issues.

You simply ask a completely meaningless question equating racist axioms with criticism. Quite a lazy argument. Nothing new when you try to defend the indefensible. Speaking of mind reading, is that what you did when you brilliantly determined liberals want to make slaves? I think the occupiers have finally sent you over the edge.

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Again Kevin it's your view that is the subject not politicians.

I don't have to answer for them. I don't care. You can keep dancing and dodging the issue if you want to. YOU MADE THE CLAIMS.

I just want to know why you think it's racist to mention helping black people.

kevink wrote:

Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich specifically singled out BLACKS last week when speaking about government assistance. What up with that?! Santorum later said he meant, "Bluhbluh" something, but that's horse crap. He said "Blacks."

Again how is this racist according to you?

I would like you to answer this simple question. Why is Criticism of Obama considered racist by YOU.

How is being called the "Food Stamp President" somehow racist? When did facts become racial slurs? THAT WAS YOUR CONTENTION Now don't play the sniffle game.. It was you not I that made the charge.

kevink wrote:

We live in a country where the former Speaker of the House refers to President Obama as the 'Food stamp president'.

If you yourself called Bush "names" wouldn't that be racist as well then using your standards?

Or is it really all about you wanting to throw the charge around hoping it sticks to something much like a hooker claiming rape every time she doesn't get paid?