NAACP prevails in Fayette school board district lawsuit

MONDAY, Jan. 9, 2011 3:48 p.m. — The Fayette County Board of Education has thrown in the towel and agreed to settle a federal voting rights lawsuit filed by the Fayette Branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) by instituting district voting for each of the board's five posts.

That means that only voters within one of the five districts may vote on the candidates who live within that district.

Still unresolved is the same lawsuit against the Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

The school board meets tonight to ratify the settlement.

More details coming.

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Got your answer right here t-man

Can't stand reading those skinny little posts, so I'm starting over at the top of the page. But yes, if we get the funds from the disabled people, we should certainly feed them and house them.
On fraud - that is the beauty of the basic premise of a camp or a reservation. There is no fraud. Current system allows people to lie about income and all sorts of things. With a camp everybody that shows up is fed and housed. Nobody in their right mind is going to leave their 2 story brick house with full basement, fenced back yard and 4 big-screens in Calgary Place subdivision currently valued at $294,900 - as an example only - and try to scam free meals at a camp - especially when you have to stay overnight without the big screens. Might have the 3 network channels, Fox News and the 700 Club, all in black and white - but not much more. Foolproof isn't it?

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Actually RWM not foolproof

As I am reading this it appears we will need to increase Gov't to get this done. Not for that if we do not weed out the fraud. We are talking about saving money aren't we.
Your thought that they will not scam because no Jerry Springer on the big screen - short sided. The scammers only care of saving their own money and make use of yours and mine. I'm for cutting out the fraud and increase penalties for those who are caught.
One thing to look at- the NBC (camp)would have more children than adults. A child does not ask to be born into poverty and therefore should not be segregated to a camp in order to fill ones stomach. Or should they in your book?
Robert- you see when you speak of entitlements you must deal with the hard facts and answer the hard questions.
Children, mentally & physically disable what about them? No where in your plan do you speak to that. They will be the majority in the camp. Start with the hard questions and cut to the chase.

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So many questions t-man

Again, all benefit receivers have to sleep and eat at the camp. Period. No exceptions. No one receives any benefits whatsoever unless they are at the camp,.

So the lady in Calgary Place in the brick house that flashes the Food Stamp Card (dare I call it a tramp stamp?) at Fresh Market to buy gourmet food and wine (yes she did) and then take them home in her Lexus (old, but still a Lexus) and proudly show her 3 kids what the government paid for that night and what she will get again tomorrow night with your money and mine - should she be allowed to continue with this or should we curtail her looting the government for personal gain while she lives in an almost $300k house?

Frankly, I am more embarrassed about the run-on sentence than the fact that I followed her home - just to check out where food stampers live. Maybe I can do a map to show the food stampers homes - like they do the sex offenders or the celebrities in and around Beverly Hills. Would that be ok?

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In today's economy

Fraud - hope you reported your suspicions. However, I see some very 'middle-class' majority citizens using the food-stamp card in FC grocery stores. I don't know their circumstances - could be a divorced woman who hasn't found a job yet to support her family; could be a housewife whose husband has been looking for work for the past four months, etc., etc., etc. Judge ye not . . . .Just saying'

If you were in or around Hollywood in California - lots of out of work actors/support personnel use food stamps.

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RWM I agree

we must stop the fraud but you still have not gotten to the tough questions. Hard question #1 Why would you send a child to a camp? He or she will not be allowed to come and go as you so stated how the camp operates.
Robert- issue is so many questions must be addressed. Willing to start a camp because of fraud will not happen. Address the fraud first and then move forward.

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Childen to camp, t?

Sure, no problem with children in camp or getting them there.
Orphans, street urchins, under-age prostitutes, strippers and others - all go to camp. Yes Moms, these would definitely be "rounded up"
No need to spend money for orphan housing or even vice cops - money gets diverted to the camps. OK?

Of course the untaxed cash payments that previously went to these people will now be taken off the table and that will mean more money to government, which I believe will be used to fund the camps. We are rolling in money now. And I am sure we can trust government to account for all that - can't we?

Now then, that leaves the question about what the 42 year-old resident of a single-level stucco house worth $325,000 in Greensway (as an example only) who drives a black BMW with vanity plates would do with his spare time in this brave new world now that he can't stop on Stewart Ave. every night at 5PM on his way home from Midtown. No strippers, no sex workers, this is a problem. What to do?

Well we don't want M**** ****** or anyone else going out and raping people because of his frustration over the removal of the "personal service workers" so maybe part of the training at the camps is for high class call girls. Train them, pimp them and put half their earnings back into the camp treasury. Isn't a 50% tax fair?

So we train sex workers in the camp and let them go out to do their thing. Good liberal solution methinks. After all, if we are teaching 5th graders about sex in public schools - how is my idea so off the mark? Huh? Huh?Answer me!

Seems logical and if you are a liberal weenie you should support the idea. Liberal means loose - doesn't it? Or am I misunderstanding the progression from the free love stuff from the '60's to the anything goes culture of today. Am I wrong?

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Of course the untaxed cash payments that previously went to these people will now be taken off the table and that will mean more money to government, which I believe will be used to fund the camps. We are rolling in money now. And I am sure we can trust government to account for all that - can't we?

The children will still be working the street while in the camp?

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So we train sex workers in the camp and let them go out to do their thing. Good liberal solution methinks. After all, if we are teaching 5th graders about sex in public schools - how is my idea so off the mark? Huh? Huh?Answer me

Please share this fantasy with your therapist! YOU NEED HELP!!

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Am I wrong?

NO, YOU'RE SICK!! IMHO.

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It is actually parody, Mom

I may in fact need help, but not from a therapist. No one is helping with any ideas, they only shoot down my creative ones without offering up anything of their own. The last part about training sex workers is pure parody making fun of liberal ideas in public education. Some insight into how the government who currently runs our schools, post offices and DMV will perform when running our benefit camps. Gosh Mom, you take everything so seriously.

And no, the children do not work the street until they have been retrained by the government. And I think there should be a certain age to get a government street work permit (with or without a photo ID? I can't decide). How about 14.

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Now I get it!! RWM is really Mike LaTella or maybe even our

ousted favorite blogger-- the name that shall not be spoken. Bobby certainly seems to be taking up where these two, or either of them have left off. Maybe he has been blogging all this time as two or even three people-has been done before. That more than quirky sense of humor (or is it?) seems familiar--there too it went from quirky to downright eerie--then finally obliteration in at least one case. Parody? Perhaps, just hope Bobby is not operating any dangerous machinery while under the influence of this thinking. Maybe he just feels things have been too tame lately and he has to shake up the status quo a little--or is he getting ready to introduce his platform as he enters the political fray?--his ideas are not too far out from some of those proposed by the Newt and several others. RWM for Pres and MLT for Vice---only time will tell.

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No mytmite, no, no, no to all of that

I can see why you think it, but not true at all. Well I do operate a big SUV, but only during the day and only when sober. Aside from that - no to all that conjecture.

I understand the creative ideas for the Nation Benefits Camp have gotten more unusual than intended, but I'm flying solo here. Nobody has ideas of their own - just negative stuff. More to the point and perfectly serious - how in the world does anyone in their right mind think the government can afford all these entitlement programs in their current form as the number of recipients increase, the length of time for receiving those benefits increase and the number of people paying to fund them decreases? How can we not do some brainstorming about change?

The politicians just sit on there hands when it comes to entitlements because they know meddling with that loses votes. Look at the reaction to Bush just wanting to privatize 3% of Social Security. Well buddy, the changes to Social Security when they come and everything else are going to be a heck of a lot more than 3% and they will be forced upon us when it is too late for anyone to do any planning for transition. Same with welfare - one day the well runs dry and everyone can stand around and act surprised. That make sense to anyone?

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So, why are you not throwing your hat in the ring?

Don't be one of those who sit and do nothing---put your ideas to work--run for office and show us how it is done-------

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National Benefits Camp

RWM you are not alone but your ideas fly on there own.
I have suggested we reduce the fraud by increasing the social worker status/people and applying stiffer penalties to those who are caught.

Then we need to stop paying farmers not to grow food and ask them to start tending their fields again. Slate that food for the hungry/food stamps so it does not enter the market and skew prices.

Then the big deal as to why politicians don't touch these programs now. We must answer the tough questions and deal with hard decisions.
What happens to the children? Where do the mentally and physically challenged go? How do these 2 groups survive in the new benefits world?
You see no one wants to deal with these questions here or in DC.

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Wow t-man - farm subsidies!

Brilliant - you have opened up a whole new world for the campers. Paying farmers not to grow something surely falls into the bin of inefficiency. So why don't we just stop paying them and let them grow things for the camps? In some cases we may need their land for the actual camp, but they all have plenty of land so they could sell or lease part of it - grow food and livestock on the rest. Workforce from the camp rounds out the picture. The workers would produce 1/3 for the farmer to sell on the open market, 1/3 to supply the camps and 1/3 to feed all the government administrators who don't actually produce anything, but still have to eat.

Thanks for the help t-man. You want a job at one of the camps? Have a director's job at the Everglades camp and a bedcheck supervisor at the camp in Newport RI. RI is a good job - staff lives in one of those mansions and your days are free for sailing.

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RWM dude you are out there

Take care have a peaceful night.

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Black/Part Black

No one has answered my question about this designation being used in identifying minorities in District 5. Was The Citizen incorrect?

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I'm getting

a headache. Let's bring out the WAACP. Can't you see, we are slowly losing our place in the county. Let's step up and let our presence be known. We have rights too.

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Bigoted Organization

The NAACP is one of the most bigoted organizations still legally operating in this country. Even their name proudly depicts that fact.
They are not interested in any of the things they advertise. They're interested only in keeping the race war going so they can keep their phony-baloney jobs, fly first class, stay in first class hotels, free meals, and get treated like royalty (just like Michelle Obama).
The only thing they are interested in is to elect folks that look like them and to keep up the controversy stirred up.

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Thirty year resident. The green of envy doesnt look good on you

Why did they win their case if their concerns were not valid?

What does any of this have to do with our first lady?

How do you know the travel and provisions afforded the NAACP?

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NAACP didn't "win" their case

The current finacial crisis facing the BOE led to a fiscal decision not a legal one ... called a settlement. The question is DM and Kevin will you(if you are or were in that district) and the under represented vote out Presberg (who according to himself and DM is cgh cgh Highly qualified) in order to get your "representation". He is the rep sitting for the NAACP redrawn district. Who the district elects this up coming cycle is going to be interesting to say the least. :-)

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Veritas

I don't live in the District. They will vote for who they want to represent them. . . .and the rest of us will abide by their decision.

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I counted to 200!

Be grateful that the FC attorneys for the BOE settled. If this case had been taken to court, FC would be the laughing stock of the nation - and all of the progress that has been accomplished here would have gone down the drain!! How in the Sam Hill does the census taker here determine if a person is ALL black or PART black. What is the criteria? Do you have a record of generations past of who some of the fathers/grandfathers/great grandfathers or mothers who may have been black or white of the current residents? Are you still doing 'visual' identification?
Actually - it helped the NAACP's case because it raised the percentage of minorities. There are 'whites' and 'blacks' here who are aware of who fathered who - but this percentage allocation was really a throw back to 'the old days'. In the census - one notes that those identified as 'B' were at one point identified as 'mulatto' if the census taker noted that they had 'blue eyes' and 'light' skin - and someone told them they were the off-spring of Mr. So and So.
Geeez. No wonder Georgia is still being monitored. This ignorance does not reflect the citizens who now reside in this county.. . .but to publish such nonsense shows we have a long, long way to go! Just MHO

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D_mom, I’m guessing the Fayette County Board

of Commissioners will fight the NAACP lawsuit, for no other reason than it brings such joy to so many residents of Fayette County.

With the public enjoying the spectacle of the NAACP lawsuit, the Fayette County Board of Commissioners can focus full time on their true passion.

Land snatching!

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A Superior Culture

IMO
Exhibits the following:

Do unto others as as they want other to do unto them
Respects others and the rights and property of others
Teaches their children to do as they believe
Works to provide for themselves and their families
Contributes to the community by volunteering to help others in need
Pays their debts
Live within their means

No where in the above do I see a necessity to identify a 'skin color'

Look at the man in the mirror - how do we all compare? What some have implied here is that 'blacks' don't have this culture. Hmmmmmm. I know some whites who don't have this 'culture'.

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Careful Davids mom

Belief in some of those attributes could get one expelled from certain circles in the "donkey" party. Oh, I guess I should say.....IMO.

BTW, how's your mom?

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BTW, how's your mom?

The spirit and 'mind' are there and aware - but the body is tired. I'm so grateful for the quality of hospice help that is available here in FC. She's still singing!!! LOL.

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I understand and I'm glad that she is still singing. Give her a hug.

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KevinK... racist huh?

I said nothing that infers racism or anything close to it... so I advise you to NOT look in the mirror and project yourself onto others. I'm not a racist, but I sure will admit that I'm a culturalist. I do believe that there are segments of our society that choose to live in a culture that IS inferior to others, while others choose to live in ones superior.

I don't see the superior cultures rushing to buy homes in Riverdale or Jonesboro, that's a fact.

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Darrylwd. I'm always open to learning new concepts from

fellow bloggers. And I don't want to put words in your mouth.

What defines a superior culture? Where is their superiority derived from? And how do I tap into that keg?

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Kevin, a word on cultures

I think culture is a good place to go when discussing things such as lifestyle choices. It is decidely de trop to discuss culture in terms of race as races are interspersed amid cultures. Have people of all races and ethnicities moved up and down different "cultures" in terms of lifestyle and economic activity? Most certainly so. So lets discuss the elephant in the room, or the blog - the culture of poverty (not race specific) or the culture of "ghetto" also not truly race specific. There is a good writer named IC Jackson who I have read on web pages such as "The Urban Counterculture". She wrote an article called "The Anti-Ghetto: Taking a Stand against the Culture of Poverty". It begins with this paragraph: "Since the 1960s, Black America has been plagued with a growing cultural epidemic, beginning with the most poor and underexposed and then spreading beyond the inner cities where they lived. Over the past half-century this counterproductive culture of negativity has permeated both the entertainment and sports industries, and now affects Americans of all races and walks of life. Characterized by escapism and materialism, this culture calls irresponsibility freedom, glorifies crime, violence, and hypersexuality, defies all authority, and acts as a coping mechanism for those who feel rejected by mainstream society and economy."

Perhaps this is the "culture" that Darrylwd feels is an "inferior" culture. In my opinion, this culture of poverty is a pernicious beast that perpetuates poverty. It is not a culture exclusively of intercity blacks or even Ninja's "Scots-Irish". I wish that all other cultures and socio-economic groups could change the culture of poverty. Unfortunately, as the Great Society has proven, it cannot be solved with money. So what can we do, Kevin?
here is the article: http://www.the-urban-counterculture.com/2010/10/the-anti-ghetto-taking-a...

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Wedge, if culture is on trail, why did the BOE wait

until the NAACP intervened before they voted to change to District voting?

At large voting by its very nature allows 51 percent of the vote to control 100% of the seats. How long has it been since someone from District 5 had a representative on the BOE?

I'm asking because I don't know all the answers either.

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confused

Every district has always been represented.In order to sit on the the board each member must reside in the district for the seat they hold. Always been that way the only difference now is who can vote for those representatives. All registered voters in the county could vote for all Boe candidates regardless of district, now only those living in that district may vote for the candidate from that district.. So, how again was this district not reprsented?...All that was accomplished is we now have redrawn a district inorder to accomodate race.

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Veritas, what it means is, 51% of the voters,

within the boundaries of their voting district, can elect the representative of their choice without the help or interference of anyone else from another district.

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Gort, way to confuse the issue that I post

I dont care a whit about district voting for Fayette county. No issue whatsoever. I was trying to articulate culture in a conversation that seemed to be going nowhere.

You are no different than most on the voting issue. Being a proud member of the left spectrum, you would be in favor of district voting here as long as it has an advantage for your side. In the presidential elections, I am in favor of splitting a state's electoral vote by congressional district as Nebraska does. It meets Constitutional scrutiny. You would oppose it as it would negate many of the electoral advantages of California, Pennsylvania, and New York, but would not hurt the GOP in Texas that much. How about apportionment by county vote? Doesn't that meet the logic intent of your zeal for district voting? It is amazing how superior we can make ourselves seem, to be on the side of angels; when really we are just as selfish and self serving as the rest of them.

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Wedge

EXcellent article. Thanks for sharing. I look forward to Kevin's reply.

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Wedge. Thank you for the sanity break!

I'm not sure of the answer but....

We start with our own naturally born kids, raising them to read their moral compasses. My ex and I, before our amicable split, adopted a child from the system. He's with me on the road now matter of fact. I wish I could adopt two dozen more. It takes a village of folks willing to do more than talk the talk. But adopting kids from the system which produced such poverty is as difficult emotionally as it is rewarding. Quite easy to do from a legal standpoint. I wish I could change the hearts of dead beat moms and dads. Don't know how you change them.

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I understand your feelings. I have no knowledge of this chapter of the NAACP - but without the support from the chapter where I grew up; I would not have had access to the ice skating rink; be able to swim in public swimming pools; have access to public beaches; live in a dorm supported by taxpayer money; (my parents paid taxes - but because of my skin color, I was denied access) participate in city-wide musical performances. AND THIS WAS NOT IN THE SOUTH! There are groups and individuals who do just the type of 'giving' that Kevin does - without the media hoopla. I wish that we could get beyond the 'race' angle regarding poverty - and work together to help American children caught in this cycle. I have great reverence for those blacks and whites who fought the fight of Jim Crow back in the day so that my family and I could enjoy the South of today.My mother told me that there was poverty in her day - most people were poor materially - but they were rich spiritually. Family was important; adhering to community standards and succeeding was important; Cosby was poor - and raised in the middle of the ghetto- but he had a home!! What Kevin is doing is commendable - as you say.

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Kevin,very admirable of you

and you are a pleasure to have coffee with. I agree that nobody has an easy answer. But you have to see why some who are not of that culture get angry with organizations such as the NAACP. In all honesty, I am not sure of the community work that they do; or the pulling up of the downtrodden; or the education that they do for black people, but I know that they fight the power fight. They seem to have a callous disregard for anything other than to hold the reins of power. I think that people of all ilk would applaud them if they would help change the culture of poverty/ghetto culture describe above. Realistically, they are smart enough to understand it. The culture of poverty has taken over from the dying KKK to become that biggest obstacle of success, especially for black people. I don't have great answers either.

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Not as admirable of me Wedge.

It was my ex's idea. I'm just glad I signed on! What I'm about to say is 100% true. My adopted son and I flew to God's country (North Carolina; just ask me or Athomegym). An athletic, healthy looking early twenties black young man stood up on the plane to put his bag in the overhead. His ENTIRE rear was exposed, belt below his underwear. As I walked by I heard him loudly say something into his phone about 'those N-words' don't know nothing." This was inside a plane full of people. My first thought was "he is his own worst enemy," as he reinforced every negative stereotype.
Then I saw T-Man's statement below. Blacks, at this point, have only ourselves to blame for hanging on to failed behavior. Sad and frustrating at the same time!

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Kevin, I cringe

when I see it on our youth. The holding up of their waistband of the pants as a slave for fashion and "coolness" I cringe when I see it on mid 20's people as they are old enough to understand life. I just shake my head at the older than 20's set that dress in this manner. They obviously will go through life never "getting it". People are crazy to think that reputable and smart employers are not doing internet searches of applicants and looking at posted pictures. Looking for that reason to call their character in question. I am sad and I fear for the future. If 15-20% of our population (all races) accept this lifestyle choice of a glorification of criminality, how long until we reach a tipping point of critical mass? I shudder to think of it.

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Wedge and all

Back in the day, we were trying to change the 'gangsta' image of the inner city student. Imagine my horror when I went into some very 'high-end' department stores - and there on the mannequins were 'gangsta' style clothes!! (Being sold at ridiculously high prices) Shortly after, many LA high schools instituted the wearing of uniforms.. .and NO GANG COLORS were allowed. However - it's not the 'outside' that we should have been so concerned about - but the self-image of these students that was being changed by lack of home direction - and media insistence that 'gangsta rap and style' was cool. M & M (white rap star) was not the only 'white' youngster who got caught up in this 'rap' culture. I see remnants of them here in Georgia. I think we have agreed on 'culture' - which begins on a mothers lap and continues with good solid role models in the community. Many who have profited from 'rap' are working closely with schools to erase the negativity that has developed from this genre. As in all 'new' things - there are some positive aspects to the 'new expression'. It is an American phenomenon - much like jazz. . .and is being immolated throughout the world. (Off subject - just sharing an opinion) In his day, Bach was considered a 'rebel'.

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Kevin, Wedge

Now that you've identified a "culture" issue that we all can agree needs a remedy, might I suggest a reading of the book "Tough Love" by Phyllis and David York as one searches for answers. Granted, the book focuses on chemical dependency, but should one view the issue on a macro level the word dependency keeps rearing its ugly head. My take is that as a nation we have morphed into a fast growing society that places more credence in hand outs than it does for individual liberties.

We are not likely to remedy our society's dependency by expecting leaders with short term vision to change an electorate that is far too accustomed to shedding responsibility for themselves.

Merely my opinion, but I offer my appreciation for a most civil discourse.

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Mike. My boys tell me to tell you to suggest a "smother your

Sons with money" book :-). Truth be told, those that need these books the most will not take the time to read them! Sad but true.

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Kevin & your Boys

They get extra ponts for creativity! Reality tells us that that is the wrong approach for self-reliance in adult years--and what YOU teach them will be worth much more than what they get from any book. BTW, I hope you're teaching them to put slaw on their BBQ Sandwich!

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:-D

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How true, Mike, until everyone in this country is willing to

take on (own) their responsibility we will continue down this slippery slope upon which we now travel. We have been a great country---but that seems to be changing at warp speed. So many want to believe that no matter what we do we will always remain great-while forgetting what those who went before us did to make us great. Until that changes, I worry about our country and our future.

Speaking of worrying about our future--- wonder where 'Malaprop Mikey LaTella' has gone? Unless he reared his head while I was out of town, have not seen any posts from him since the election. Could it be he is laying low, changing his image and going into politics? He sure was an Imker champion--maybe he will end up running for council or maybe he is being anointed the official coat holder for Imker as he prepares to run for mayor next election? Hmm, very interrresting! I am sure his spotless record will make him an outstanding choice for any office he (or Imker) decides is right for him.

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MYTMITE

I haven't seen our friend since prior to the holidays, but I would guess that he is up to his ears making a living. I assure you that he is much more of an independent soul than you credit him to be. Perhaps, the two of you could use a restart.

Glad to have you back.

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Ah, you are such a diplomat and peace maker Mike. Thanks for

the effort. Don't believe we will be checking out any china patterns any time soon though. I must admit I like him more when I do not have to read what he has written or look at his pic--so as long as he stays up to his ears in something (as long as it isn't preparing to be involved in PTC or FC politics) I will be happy and appreciative. He is so much more appealing from a distance--a far, far distance. LOL

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Pardon me for butting in about Mike LaTella, Mytmite

I actually would celebrate people like Mike running for public office. You and I can vote for or against him and we can throw stones at him on this blog, but God bless him for running and certainly bless him for telling us where he stands and what he believes in. If he does that then he is better than 95% of the slugs and donothings that live here. I guess that means I am saying only 5% which is only 500 people in Fayette County actually get involved and do things - like run for office and support those that do. 500 sound about right? Too high? Too low?

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Wedge that was a good article

Fixing it is a big task but must be done. The pants hanging off the backsides of the youth is said to have come from prison. Talk about wanting to be Ghetto.

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T-Man & hanging pants

The sad part is that somewhere, there is at least one adult per family who should be putting a stop to that foolishness.

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MOMS, MY APOLOGIES

I remember hearing Morehouse in one of your rants and forgot its an all male school. You probably attended Agnes Scott or Spellman College for your advanced education. As for MLK Day ,I will be working and unavailable to attend the festivities. I agree he was a great speaker,activist and family man. I just get tired of blacks using his legacy for advancement of their pesonal agenda. Time for football, have a good evening.

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Nice use of your research skills. I went to school on the west coast. I think most Americans use MLK's legacy to remind themselves of what is possible in the United States and the progress that we have made in human relations. I think you're just tired of 'blacks'. Thanks for sharing- wherever you are, whoever you are, whatever you are. LOL.

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Where's the Equality?

With all the smack talk that is going on about this sudden capitulation from our elected school board members, you have to ask yourselves, what is really going here. The way I see it is that the white population of our county/country is tired of the way that elected officials cow-tail to the NAACP. What was done to the slaves from Africa was wrong, but its over, has been for years. We didn't do it, our ancestors might have, but we didn't (not all white people owned slaves). Being part American Indian I have to ask, where's the equality for these people. Their/our lands were taken, way of life destroyed and were put on a reservation.
How about the Jewish population, they were enslaved far longer than the Black people of this country but you don't see/hear them pissing and moaning about everything not going their way. They just quietly go to work and make things better for their families. They work the system, they don't ask for Special treatment, they don't expect people to roll over just because of who they are. And they don't have an organization called the NAAJP. I have lived all up and down the East coast and the Midwest and have never ran into the crap that goes on in my home state of Georgia. I was born here, but I won't die here, I'm moving back to one of those States where people don't expect Special treatment because of the color of their skin or what happened 150 years ago.

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We didn't do it, our ancestors might have, but we didn't (not all white people owned slaves). Being part American Indian I have to ask, where's the equality for these people. Their/our lands were taken, way of life destroyed and were put on a reservation

Being part Indian - what have you done for your people? The NAACP has petitioned for them - but showing concern for 'them' might have corrupted your 'whiteness'.

The current laws do not address the practice of slavery - but Jim Crow. Where was the equality of that situation? Your people (Indians) tried the violent way to resist 'Manifest Destiny' and were put on reservations. Today, all Americans with equal opportunity, can succeed. Your problem is that you turn a blind eye to those who have - but we have an eye on those insecure Americans like you who can't stand to see that Jim Crow practices are illegal.

I'm glad that there are Georgians - white and black - who are vigilant that Jim Crow practices do not return. MLK taught us how to work the system. Barack, many Mayors of southern cities, Blacks on city councils, etc. proves that the American way works. Run Little Dondol run. No need to look back. No one is chasing you or hopes you come back. Jim Crow practices ended during our lifetime - and you obviously have difficulty with that. Sorry.

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Reservations might be a solution, DM

I would never consider the reservation approach for people based upon skin color, religion or ethnicity, BUT it makes sense to create reservations for those unfortunates in the world, the ones that did not win life's lottery, the ones who were forced to have babies out of wedlock, the ones who were forced into a life cycle of joblessness or crime, even those who were forced to sign those jumbo mortgages they couldn't afford.

So, if you are on food stamps, taking (yes it is taking) welfare or living in housing subsidized by the rest of us, in jail for drug-related crimes or living on the street annoying the hoi polloi - you get rounded up and put on a reservation where you get 3 hots and a cot, free schooling for your kids, but that is all. Free to come and go, but you have to eat and sleep there. Don't want to work - fine.
Want to work? Then you get better housing, better food, free healthcare, free child care, a big screen tv and minimum wage while training - merit raises only after that. Plenty of jobs right there on the reservation - health care workers, child care givers, food service, recreation, school teachers, police, fire, growing vegetables, raising livestock, picking fruit, etc. Ex-homebuilders will be living here and they can build apartments, barracks and single family homes for the supervisors and administrators. No taxes, no fees for anyone on the reservation.

How do we pay for it? Use all the money we spend on food stamps, welfare, section 8 housing, prisons, war on drugs, Dept. of Education, EPA and some others and use that money. Social Security and Medicare too. There will be a retirement village on each reservation - mostly in the unused schools.
Then each working American outside the reservation is taxed 10% of what he earns. 10% period. No deductions, no tables, no caps, no sliding scales, no tax returns - just 10% of everything taken when you earn it. If 2/3 of us are outside and 1/3 inside - it will work. This is Romney's secret plan, This is why the Dems are so afraid of him and why they keep it up with the Bain thing and the Mormon thing. Why? You lose your right to vote if you live on the reservation.

Where do we put them? Unused military bases of course. Obama will shrink the military to next to nothing in his second term - of course the ex-military should live there on the reservations and be the police force and jailers for those that get out of line and talk loudly after curfew or litter.

Good idea, huh? I mean it is the government's obligation to provide for the less fortunate among us, isn't it? So if we are going to do it - let's do it efficiently and on a large scale. Giving food stamps out to everyone allows each person to decide what to buy and eat. Some get lobster, steak and lottery tickets. Even beer and wine. That's not good. These people need to be cared for by government dieticians who will be sure they eat healthy. Lots of vegetables.

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Lock 'em up - and throw away the key!! That's the answer!!! But doesn't save any money - or improve anything really. Sounds like a replica of Hitler's solution.

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DM, why are you advocating locking them up?

Morgan isn't. "Free to come and go as they please", doesn't sound like being locked up. What has happened to our (or specifically your) ability to actually read, understand, and argue true points instead of strawmen that we create to destroy? In all honesty, where do you think retirement funding is heading? It is going to turn into government housing as your form of income. We will not have the money to do anything else.

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Wedgie, what is with gort and DM? They keep changing the subject

I think I am making good points about the National Benefits Camps (or Reservations) and they keep diverting from the real issues and keep making things up that they attack and just generally act like liberal phonies.

What can I do to get them on my side and see the value of what I am proposing? I am really a nice person, liberal college graduate, 130+ IQ, good hygiene, trimmed nose hairs, straight teeth, 2 nice kids, I have never owned slaves (nor advocated that) and I do have a cousin who supports gay marriage. So can I get a break here?

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Heir to the famous Robert W Morgan,

I am at a loss to explain the stream of thought for both DM and Gort in your exchange. It appears that they are unwilling to change the status quo, even if the status quo is untenable. Therefore, they will vilify your positions without seeing any of its merits. So let's look at what government will have to deliver in the future. In a nutshell- 3 hots and a cot, free healthcare, free childcare, and free schooling for the little ones. Currently, we are providing this in some form at some level in a very costly and inefficient way. Eventually (and even sooner), we will run out of money or people willing to load us money. At that point, we will have to go to depot style delivery of services. I see that with retirement as well. I see the nationalization of private retirement savings, so that you can be "fully participative" in the national program. The small carrot and large stick. We are not terrribly far from it.

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Wedge the Remedy is preparation

You are of course correct. We cannot continue the course. We will run out of money. The Progressives want to tie the tiller and head into the heart of the storm and it seems no matter the size of the waves that just keep coming their course is set.

Build up a years supply of food for not only you but your family, you may be their lifeboat as well, water, survival supplies and fuel.

Hard times are coming.

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RWMorgan and Wedge, how can you say that?

I was just trying to help RWM by pointing out the poor folks are already rounded up.

The time is now for the GOP and SLindsey to teach them how to fish. With the help of RWM’s superior IQ and Wedge’s focus on those outrageous drooping pants, we can all look forward to a progress report in a month or so.

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Didn't change the subject RWM
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unless you have saved up at least three months of monthly expenses, you could be on the welfare role. In this country, our government should be able to assist those who are out of work, retrain those who need further education to find new jobs, feed those who temporally find themselves unable to feed their families - WITH OUT ROUNDING THEM UP AND PUTTING THEM ON A RESERVATION! Don't ya think?

You just don't like my answer.

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Actually I agree with your carefully worded answer

3 months is pretty light for savings, but who really knows. Other than that, you are 100% correct ".... our government SHOULD be able to assist..., etc.
Yep, they SHOULD be able to assist without the voluntary reservation idea. But sadly the facts are that while the government should be able to help - it has not.
I mean, I should be able to throw a baseball 100 mph and earn big bucks in the major leagues, but I can't. So what should I do now - keep throwing at 35mph and hope for improvement - or try something else?

So how long do we keep our head in the sand on this without taking remedial action? I predict 2 or 3 more years of this horrible entitlement system and one day we wake up and there are no benefits at all - no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no food stamps and those that have been relying on those things will revolt. Then they will march on Washington, nothing will get done until finally someone from the government sets up tents and field kitchens and there's your first reservation (or camp). This actually happened in the 1930's when Hoover was President and the protesters were WWI vets looking for their bonus, which had been promised for 1946, but the marchers wanted it NOW, because times were tough.

Be good if we could learn something from history.

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We have assisted our citizens in the past - but like so many of our programs, our assistance was abused and misused - and not until the corruption and criminality was discovered and acknowledged did we attempt to make change. Now as long as the 'change' did not hurt the profits of the 'change-makers' the corruption and criminality continued. That's the 'history' that we have difficulty with - and is leading to the 99% revolting. The sad thing is that you and others think you're among the 1%. Not difficult to carefully word reality.

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All you have to do is look to Greece

Government run Healthcare, Government run Welfare, Government run Unions, Government run businesses.. Entitlements far beyond all reason.. Spending far beyond means.

Results all to predictable. Riots in the streets by those that hand their handouts taken.

We are seeing America's future.

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Slindsey Has Pocketful of Drachmas

I guess that is why he is ranting about Greece. Wants to see return of drachma to replace the euro so he can cash in that wad left over from his 1984 trip to Mykonos. About all that government-run stuff, don't they that do all that up in Denmark too? I think I saw some survey a while back indicating that the Danes were the happiest people on earth, outside of those at one of the Disney parks! I guess you will just have to go teach those ignorant Danes how to be miserable! You've certainly done a good job on us!

Ron Paul For President 2012!

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It must be those whining blacks in Greece, Ireland, etc. who are causing all these problems and blaming 'white' people. Thanks for sharing.

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Don't be dense DM

It's beneath you.

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Lindsey/RWM/ and a few others

What is beneath me is trying to communicate with you. You appear to want to tie in the DNA of ALL BLACK PEOPLE with crime, laziness, and lack of taking responsibility for 'self' . If I mention the reality of too high a percentage of black people are on welfare - but the majority of welfare recipients are 'white' - you go into denial. You have gone to the well - and taken the drink of ignorance. Slick politicians have made this a race issue by making it appear that only 'blacks' are taking advantage of the welfare system - entitlements, etc. Therefore it only hurts 'blacks' and other minorities to try to provide assistance to those in need in this country. It was OK when it was 'white' vets of WWII; 'white' residents losing their farms and homes due to the Dust Bowl; Ok when the recipient was 'white' and 'minority' - but the slick politicians have figured out if we make conservatives believe it's those lazy minorities /blacks - we can balance this budget; forget their needs; and keep our hard earned 250,000-500,00 dollars without paying more taxes. Hmmmmm. That's why so many see Genrich's and Santorum's 'slip of the tongue ' another 'code communication' for those conservatives who are fearful when the 'race card' is used by some whites. Just my opinion.

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See how frustrating it is, SL?

I start out being very clear that curbing entitlements has nothing to with race or ethnicity and all I get back is "black" and "internment camps". You really can't reason with a mindset like that.

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Of course, Robert, you contend above, in defense of MadMike,

That 95% of the folks in our county are "slugs" and "Do nothings." How do we reason with a mindset like yours, which enjoys such self-appointed importance, and seems to have universal judgement authority over the rest of us? Lighten up, Francis

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I know Robert

it's like Kevin's assertion that if a White Politician says he wants to help blacks it's really racist because he(kevin) just knows what he really meant.

Madness.

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Steve, are you STILL talking about me? I thought you were done.

Then again, you HAVE demonstrated problems actually BEING done with things when you SAY you are. It's like walking in on a couple of girls gossiping in the restroom right as they say your name.....AWKWARD. What's your point? Shall we continue arguing words I never said as you continue an attempt to change my argument? I made my point. You made yours. Next please. I guess your clinging to old arguments is why you kept mentioning Sniffles. Dude! He hasn't blogged in a year! Get some fresh air. Stretch. Realize that Gingrich was confronted at the FOX NEWS debate yesterday about the RACIAL INSENSITIVITY of singling out minorities. HE was confronted by a FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT. Guess it's NOT just Kevin King's opinion.

Steve, what I'm saying is: Get over Sniffles. Get over last week's arguments. And get your life back. No need to gossip in the girl's room. I'm here for you if you need me. You can do this! We have faith in you!

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Kevin your weak attempts at insults not withstanding

truth does sting doesn't?

If it were not you would argue your points instead of insults.

Just saying... Tootles back at cha

Oh that FOX Correspondent you mean Jaun Williams? Not a Conservative to say the least and yep he's black so.......

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Slindsey still missing the real deal

2 GOP politicians pointing the finger at blacks as if they are the only ones needing benefits (benefits are not given to anyone else except blacks is what they implied) no one else just them. What are your thoughts on that? Should they still be considered as a person to run this country?

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Kev, what are you doing walking into the ladies' room??? I am

sure anything the ladies were saying about you was positive and they were only embarassed at being found out! Does Steve realize how lucky he is to have you there if he needs you. You are wonderful!

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Mytmite. I was just following the voices. I must say:

I like your technique of smacking a guy around, and then physically abusing the memory of him after he's dived out of the ring. Robert felt so bad for Mike he threw in the towel and shielded mikes inanimate flesh with his own body! Selfless of you RWM. I wont be picking battles with you. Gotta readjust my wig. I hear girls coming back!

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Kev,you in a wig--what a visual!! What color--curly or long and

straight?? I have to admire the way Robert has come to Mike's defense---I too give credit to anyone who steps up to serve---hope Robert and Mike remember all the 'nice' things they had to say about others who have stepped up- of course, if Mike is running or serving in any capacity it will be because he has been called to serve by a Higher Power. Totally altruistic and honor driven--no ego involved at all. Maybe this little hiatus is to give us time to forget all those bombastic posts Mikey made us privy to--to leave us open to get to know his softer, kinder side. Or maybe to study his Thesaurus before coming back to wow us. Or, maybe as Mike K says, he is just working and making money--or?????

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Kevn & McCalls

For a late lunch, sliced that sucker in half, nuked each half 30 seconds and dove in. Absolutely great! Just for grins, Frau Gym heated up some Oakwood (you had that earlier) for a taste test. We both agreed that McCalls was best but in all fairness, suspect the slaw had something to do with it. Anyway, what a treat to be over-run with choices--thanks to you!

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I predict 2 or 3 more years of this horrible entitlement system and one day we wake up and there are no benefits at all - no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no food stamps and those that have been relying on those things will revolt. Then they will march on Washington, nothing will get done until finally someone from the government sets up tents and field kitchens and there's your first reservation (or camp)

After WWII, the GI Bill - vets received assistance with education; housing; etc. Was that an entitlement? Talk to me after you look at the Welfare rules, etc. . Under normal circumstances, an individual has to validate that they are looking for work - or they are cut off. This had to be extended because the job creators are not providing jobs to American citizens (to keep cost down); under normal circumstances, the government does provide assistance. IMO, the angst here is the assistance appears to be going only to 'black' people. Careful constructors of public opinion have convinced a hurting middle class population that their money is only helping people who refuse to work and have made a living off of 'welfare'. . . .and all of these people are black people supported in cause by the NAACP. A too high percentage of the black population is on welfare. (They don't live in Fayette County) The majority of Americans on welfare are 'white'. We are not going to change one another's perception of this problem. Since the '60's , I have seen great progress - and I'm not going to let the 'whiners' spoil progress. I received a first class education, was able to obtain my goals in my country, raised my family, have a little left over to assist others as my religion dictates, etc., etc., etc. Life is good - could be better - and I will continue to help where I can. Good leaders, not necessarily politicians, can work out a solution where assistance can be provided to Americans who need help.. . .after all we're Americans!!

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DM there are those of all races and ethic backgrounds who will

take the hand-out instead of the hand up. I personally know someone (white) who stayed on unemployment as long as it was being dished out. She didn't even have to go to the office to fill out paperwork indicating she had been looking for a job-just got on line and filled out the paperwork. She never went to any of the places she indicated she had contacted re: employment and there were no checks and balances. She told me the unemployment office never checked and so she just put down whatever business she could think of for that period. Every time the unemployment was to run out she would say she had to start looking for a job--then they would extend again and she would say there was no reason to look for work when she could draw unemployment--during this time she got help with her gas and electric bill as well as phone bill, also her mortgage payment. I asked her if she had no pride, if she did not want to be self-sufficient and her reply was that everyone did it and she and her family had paid taxes so she was entitled. This is a white young grandmother, able to work, living off the system. She now gets food stamps and whatever assistance she can get--still not looking for work. I no longer make an effort to help her or contact her--a waste of my time.

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Mytimite

Thanks for sharing that. (I may have seen her in the grocery store!) MLK was bringing citizens together by fighting the war on poverty. There were students of all colors attending workshops on how to teach their fellow man to fish. The Urban League is doing a wonderful job - they just aren't reaching enough of our citizens with their job training programs. After this country's financial fiasco - and the advancement of the techy industry - we have a lot of re-training to do to again become the industrial giant in the world. (I read somewhere that it takes a government agency almost 3 months to identify fraud. That needs to improve!!!)

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DM

You are correct in that great progress has been made by individuals who benefited from government programs of one type or another. What you seem to omit is that those that benefited chose to pull themselves up and become self sustaining members of our culture. Those who chose to remain dependent are caught in a spiral that leaders at all levels have allowed to regenerate.

Hunger is a much stronger motivator than pride.

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Mike K

Just a reminder - those who pulled themselves up by their boot straps had boots. Too many in our country, regardless of DNA don't.

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DM

All of us begin life naked, crying, and unable to sustain ourselves. It is when we are able to decide for ourselves that we select our paths.

Some must hit the ultimate bottom prior to beginning their climb, perhaps you know one or two. Again, I believe you fail to see the difference between a hand out and a helping hand.

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Regardless of hand outs/helping hands - how many closed doors did you encounter? Doors opened for me in the 60's. I believe you fail to take that as a serious hinderance - although MANY went around those closed doors and achieved anyway. It is just too sad that persons can't make themselves 'walk in another's shoes' before they have solutions to problems. Not making any excuses for the culture of poverty - but it is not 'race selective'. Wouldln't it be wonderful if Americans really chose to solve the poverty problem which would encompass all Americans - especially childen?

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DM

You simply don't get it. Doors are closed to all but a scant few of us. Unless you win the lottery, inherit a fortune from a rich uncle, or use personal attributes like Anna Nicole Smith successful Americans from all walks of life are personally responsible for their success. The inverse is also true, if one decides to ride the entitlement program their entire lives, they are certainly free to do so. Surely you don't believe that one has to be a drug addict to recognize a dependency problem('walk in another's shoes' before they have solutions to problems).

Life simply isn't fair, get over it.

BTW, instead of going around doors I preferred find the means to break them down.

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BTW, instead of going around doors I preferred find the means to break them down.

Wonderful! Did you have to overcome the fear of being lynched; raped; spit on etc., while in the process of breaking down those doors? Did you have to 'overcome' the sign "No Whites Allowed" in order to enter into some of those doors. You get over it - and then you can join the Americans who are working to make sure that doors are not closed to others because of sex and/or race. There is still work to do - although much progress has been made. To continue to whine because of what seems 'unfair' is a waste of time - it's time to acknowledge the progress and move on Mr. King. There will always be those who whine and make excuses for their lack of success. Surely you're not one of those. Some of those doors are still closed to those who appear 'different'. The role models are those who chose to break doors down using non-violence and love and understanding. . . not by saying GET OVER IT!! LEARN FROM IT - AND MOVE ON..

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DM

Never worried much about being lynched, but I have been spit upon, literally. You? I thought so.

I have moved on, you seem to be mired in the past.

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