Thanks to ‘our wonderful’ Obama

Just yesterday, I opened my mail to find a wonderful $250 check from Medicare.

This came from the Affordable Care Act, a new law passed by Congress and signed by our wonderful President Obama on March 30, 2010.

With all the negativity surrounding this healthcare bill, and the scare tactics used by some to our seniors, the reality is the Democrats are looking out for the seniors.

This rebate of $250 is sent automatically to people enrolled in Medicare Part D who reach the Medicare drug plans coverage gap (doughnut hole) in 2010.

To make the prescription drugs more affordable, the rebate check is designed to bring some needed relief to seniors and is the first step toward closing the coverage gap.

What most seniors do not know is that starting next year, seniors will get a 50 percent discount on covered brand name drugs if you reach the coverage gap and by 2020 there will be no coverage gap.

For those of you who don’t like government interference, I suggest you send these checks back to the government, give up your Medicare, since it is a government sponsored program and try doing all these things individually. Then compare your costs and see which is the lesser of the two.

I certainly am not in agreement with everything the government does; however, I do think there are some great government programs out there for seniors and we need to have the knowledge before we judge.

Thank you, President Obama, for your diligence and hard work.

Cynthia Zeldin

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Enforcing terms of use

The terms of use have been enforced in this thread as of now. For those needing a reminder, click on the "Terms of Use" at the bottom of this page.

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Hey Cal, can we get a "Terms of Service" referee in here?

Cal, if you look through this thread you will see that a number of folks who disagree with the letter writer's political leanings feel compelled to reveal personal information about the letter writer.

They've listed the letter writer's subdivision, the type of housing she lives in, and the amount of money she paid for her home. One poster feels there is no expectation of privacy if you ever write a letter to the editor.

The "anything goes" group (and their supporters) consists of Robert W. Morgan, AtHomeGym, TheWedge, and Observerofu.

Those of us who consider this a violation of terms of service (not to mention a gross breach of personal privacy), include myself, NinjaGuy, Tygersilver and PTC Observer.

Since there appears to be a very large divide between the two groups regarding the interpretation of Terms of Service, I'm hoping you'll lay down the law as to what is good and righteous, so that we may go forth and sin no more.

Thanks in advance!
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The greasy spoon rides to the rescue

uh bacon breath I think if you were in anyway intellectually honest here you would note I have not released any info of the person in question. So leave your little play to the moderator with those whom you truly intend.

But I guess in the Progressive yes SOCIALIST world an opinion now must be censored. Why to go. Want to parade around in your Brown shirt? Remember to get those Jack Boots shined.

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Thanks Tigger for a wonderful time

it's been fun pulling your tail and listening to the squeal. Sure your not related to bacon or Courthouse?

I thought you just might be full of yourself now I believe you are just full of it.

I am sure the Editors and owners of this site are just quaking in their boots over you and your threats.

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That's funny....

I was going to let Tigger know that most small business are up in arms about "guv" spending and taxes and probably would simply just show him/her the door. But, darn his post is gone.

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Tyger - I am afraid

I must agree, what's the point in this? She's wrong to believe what she believes but we should not make it personal.

Poor form indeed.

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Tigger your post indicates this is the first time you have seen

this topic. But you have already commented on this multiple times. Posting more drivel is well just more drivel.

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Not dangerous tigger-although I would not want to be so

identified. However that being said when you write an article for the purpose of public consumption and use your name there is no real expectation of privacy.

She made a silly comment. Others disagreed it stands to reason some would feel this was not a real person.

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#39 is your quote-please be more specific

As you post at the top the numbers change just quote the offending post and then we can comment.

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Tyger although you do not understand that the

comment numbers continue to change I am however intelligent enough to divine your intention.

You think that posting a persons personal info is dangerous. On this I might agree. Care should be taken to not go beyond the bounds of acceptable Societal rules.

In U.S. v. Angevine and U.S. v. Simons, respectively courts have ruled that employees have no right to privacy on work computers, additionally work product has no expectation as well.

These rulings have some effect on private persons doing public things.

Now when you write a letter to a newspaper for the expressed or acknowledged purpose of having that letter printed, then one must assume a certain loss of privacy.

Where one draws the line is the real question.

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Obama..Obama...

Obama...we love you,.. thanks for sharing from your stash! Clueless Sheeple. -GP

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Morgan, Robert D.

You don't understand that if seniors and poors weren't getting federal money, we would simply start another war someplace and spend the money saved there!
The 14 trillion that we owe certainly would not be paid with it.

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Thank you, bonkers

I will try and be more of a deep thinker.

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Mr. Morgan

She doesn't care, she gets hers and a few turns at the nail salon.

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My kids say you're welcome, Cynthia Zeldin.

Not really, but they'll be the ones getting the bill for all of this welfare stupidity since medicare is broke.

"Just yesterday, I opened my mail to find a wonderful $250 check from Medicare."

I thought that this was tongue-in-cheek at first. You are truly pathetic.

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Take whatever they hand out

I would tell everyone to take whatever the government is handing out to you. They will take what they want from you so if they are willing to hand out cash, TAKE IT

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Great family values, tyger.

Pass all the debt and a completely broke medicare/social security system on to the next generation.

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Pass all the debt and a completely broke medicare/social security system on to the next generation.

This retort is on every 'conservative' website and/or opinion page. Let's see what programs you will 'cut' - without raising taxes. Let's see how you will investigate those companies in the medical field who are overcharging patients and the 'government'. Now is the time for action to curtail the deficit - and stop unwise spending - not the continued whining on what years of financial lunacy has done to our country. Instead of using talking points to when an election, get to work and SOLVE THIS PROBLEM or SHUT UP!

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What retort you talkin' bout, dm?

It's just a simple fact.

And why do you libs keep asking what we should cut? How about asking what we should fund? It's a much simpler question to answer - defense and not much else at the federal level.

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Maximux

How about focusing on what is being purchased with the money - and who is making a profit? Why are you conservatives afraid to look at WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT? The leadership of past conservative governments in power has not been financially responsible - as is at the core of conservative principles. This cannot be denied. The American people know that funds have been wasted. Let's look at what the money has been spent on - and spend it wisely now instead of what has happened under past administrations. OK? Work for the American people - no matter if they are conservative or liberal. Look at the expenditure side of the budget - and work with your colleagues in government to clean up the mistakes of the past. No more 'budget' suggestions with no numbers. No more rhetoric!! Working people in this country have contributed to these programs. Let’s look at who has taken advantage of the programs; overcharged the programs; ignored the regulations of the programs, - and correct what is wrong. Now that can be simple if the goal is to get this country back on sound financial footing – and not win another election.

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Talk about "rhetoric, dm

"No more rhetoric!!" "How about focusing on what is being purchased with the money..." dm

What's being purchased, dm, are votes - for billions per.

Let’s look at who has taken advantage of the programs; overcharged the programs; ignored the regulations of the programs, - and correct what is wrong. dm

We're talking about federal programs, dm. Fraud, waste and abuse are the biggest part of every one. That isn't going to change, especially with the most corrupt administration in our nations history in charge.

Now, didn't I see somewhere on here that you said you were going to start blogging less and educating yourself more? When is THAT program going to start?

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Fraud, waste and abuse are the biggest part of every one. That isn't going to change, especially with the most corrupt administration in our nations history in charge.

You mean the Tea Party, Republicans, and Democrats that we have elected to Congress CAN'T or WON'T stop the wasteful fraud and corruption that is going on in federal (and state) government programs? Then WHY ARE THEY THERE? What about the convicted persons of former administrations? Were they all FROM THE OTHER party? Actually - who cares!! What I'm hearing you say that even with the 'new' Congress - nothing is going to change. We'll see. It's interesting that the change started today. With the 'new' rules, there will not be much change in the deficit since the 'rich' are going to be protected from taking tax cuts. Cutting spending - without cutting the deficit also is a wee bit self-defeating. . IMO. One commentator stated today that if the 'new' Congress doesn't take steps to continue the job growth, etc. in this country – THEY’ER OUT -regardless of 'party'. (By the way - Obama's approval rating is at 50%. Interesting.)

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Interesting indeed

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administra...

Date: 1/5/2011
Presidential Approval Index -16
Strongly Approve 25%
Strongly Disapprove 41%
Total Approve 46%
Total Disapprove 54%

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Too late, tyger

My mom already gave hers to National Right to Life.

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What about her Medicare?
maximus wrote:

My mom already gave hers to National Right to Life.

How does that help fix the system?

You don't have the answer, make a lame joke.

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When they say "fix the system"
tygersilver wrote:
maximus wrote:

My mom already gave hers to National Right to Life.

How does that help fix the system?

You don't have the answer, make a lame joke.

When they say "fix the system", it's code for "benefits for me, not for thee"

LINK (just for fun)

ANOTHER LINK (just for fun)...doesn't this guy resemble Terry Garlock?

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"fix the system", tyger?

How does sending out "free" money help fix the bankrupt system?

The only answer you libs can ever come up with is "more gubmnt handouts".

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Oh yee of the short term memory

Social security would not be in trouble if the government had not "borrowed" from it and never put it back!

Again, what do you propose we do with our people when they can't work anymore?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

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Every 8.64 seconds....

another baby boomer is eligible for Social Security and Medicare. This rate continues for the next 19 years. In fact, in the time it takes to read this post another boomer reaches that threshold. Tic toc, tic toc.......

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Couldn't resist the urge to snark, "editor" Cal Beverly?

Had to get the subtle little dig in with the quotations marks in the headline, eh?

Stay "classy", "editor" Cal.

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Cynthia & Medicare, Part D

Jeez Cynthia, as someone who paid $241,000 for a house less than 6 yrs ago, I wouldn't have thought $250.00 would save you from starvation. BTW, you DID contribute to Medicare, didn't you? Wonderful huh--sorry, we'not using the same dictionary. I bet you only type with your left hand too!

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"How did you get this info?"

Well Tyger, it's open source, public info--all you have to know is how to access it--and that shouldn't be a problem for someone as intelligent as you. And the inference is that if she could afford to pay that much for a house, then paying for prescription drugs via Medicare Part D shouldn't really pose a problem for her and she doesn't NEED additional "rebate" from her "wonderful-(sic)" POTUS. And before you ask, I am also a "Senior" but get my presctiption drugs via private insurance, NOT Medicare! It all has to do with "planning ahead for retirement years" and yes, it takes work & dedication--suggest you give it a try!

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Oops AtHomeGym

I thought you were a decent person, until I saw you posting personal info here. You are on my bad list and I hope Jesus tells Cal to ban you.

Go Falcons!

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Dangerous Gym

Gym accessed the Fayette County website and examined platt information. Sacrebleu. The outrage of using ones own computer from ones own house!
tygersilver, you are such a friggin tool

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tygsilver: You are a troll, plain and simple

You first show up with BS about how the rich don't contribute the vast majority to charity with zero proof to back up that lie and then run away from the subject just as fast.

Then you state some more utter BS about how all of our "parents/grandparents" are dependent on Medicare/Medicaid and that's an even bigger lie than your first bunch of manure. My parents/grandparents aren't in any way dependent on these bankrupt govt programs and told me about 40+ years ago to never think I'd see a penny from all the Social Security monies I will pay in over my lifetime. Great words of wisdom and totally true.

Today's episode of stupidity and being just an annoying troll is accusing someone of somehow "stealing resources from his employer" while on the job, a claim you made with zero evidence and out of the total ignorance that the same information is easily accessible to anyone with a brain and a computer.

You might make some of ultra-libs happy to see someone on here that goes out of their way with lies and complete fabrications just to PO the righties(who sometimes need a kick in the backside), but it's just an exercise in trolling the board, unless you are in fact that damn ignorant and then there is no sense in responding to any of your posts in the first place.

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Tygersilver - you

"... NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING!"

You spell it G...o...o...g...l...e

or you can actually buy books, but watch out they could be written by rich people.

Hope this helps

BTW, the earth does revolve around the sun. ;-)

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Tyger - nothing

Nothing in the world is precise, even the speed of light is adjusted from time to time based on metrology improvements.

It doesn't matter to me either way; my point is that nothing is unknowable based on current knowledge.

Your premise is wrong, that's all.

I think you must be smarter than this, I hope you are!

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"all of our grandparents are dependent on Medicare"

While it would not be true to say "all of our "parents/grandparents" are dependent on Medicare", it would not be an exaggeration to say almost all of them are: 95.6% of all senior citizens are on Medicare.

Your folks seem to be the exception, rather than the rule.

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Bacon - Gramps and Grandma

Just the way the government likes it, dependent.

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It's still inappropriate, Gym

Gym, just because information is publicly available doesn't mean it should be posted here. Not to get all nagging, but the Citizen has clear rules about stalker-ish behavior. It's really nobody's business what a LTE writer paid for their house.

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Bacon & "stalker-ish" behavior

How can it be "stalker-ish" if it's public info? And if someone infers, as I believe Cynthia did, that an unexpected monetary boost from we taxpayers in the form of a check is necessary to stay ahead of hard times and available info shows that such a claim may not be quite the whole story, then I say let's put all the facts on the table. Why would you not support that? Let's get honest here--we have a person who wanted to heap praise on her idol and took what was in hand to do it. Perhaps understandable but not completely forthright. Hey, you callzum the way you seezum!

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Tyger & "Wrong"

Give it your best shot sport---you talk about dangerous--don't think you really know what danger is all about. And FYI, Wedge is close, but not quite right, Also, I don't work for ANYBODY!

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YES! Love that government taking care of "us"

Why, why, why do people expect the government to help them in any way? I guess it is the ignorance of not realizing that any benefit given to one person is something that was taken away from another. Or, it instead comes from our very unfortunate successors in this country who are going to have massive IOU's waived in their faces and a bill they will be held accountable for.

Heard of the "Greatest Generation?" This one is more like "The Sorriest Generation." Bleh.

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She likely paid into the system for 45 years!

Why do you think she is taking something for nothing? She or her husband or both paid into the system from first paycheck to last and considering most people pay in for around 45 years and might not live long enough to collect the actual amount paid in, what did she take from you?

So you think she is a freeloader? The elderly should just work till they can't and then what, we shoot them? Throw them out in the street till they waste away?

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She or her husband or both paid into the system from first paycheck to last and considering most people pay in for around 45 years and might not live long enough to collect the actual amount paid in, what did she take from you?

Thank you for sharing truth and common sense. Friends who had Part D and paid a large amount for their drugs - now are noticing that their cost has been substantially reduced. I am a Medicare recipient (thank heavens) I worked for over 40 years. Funds were taken out of my paycheck monthly for 'social security'. I now pay over $350 quarterly for my hospitalization (Medicare). (Plus monthly payments for my selected medical insurance) What am I taking from others? I have paid for my 'care' in my senior years - and most grateful for the concern that some have for senior citizens. To those of you who have saved one million dollars or more during your working years - without hospital insurance and/or Medicare - you could be wiped out financially with a prolonged illness. I am so glad for the emphasis on 'wellness' - and the insistence on having screening covered for those diseases that 'sneak up on you in old age' - with no symptoms.

ONE NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THE RISING COSTS FROM THE LARGE DRUG COMPANIES AND MEDICAL EQUIPMENT COMPANIES. ONE ALSO NEEDS TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE HOSPITALS CHARGE. (TWENTY-FIVE CENTS FOR A BAND-AID IS LUDICROUS!)

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Poor, scared tyger

All those “bigoted, racistist (sic)” people out there.

What do bigotry and racism have to do with not wanting to drive the medicare and social security sytem further into the hole?

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Because it's usually the teabaggers or libitards
maximus wrote:

All those “bigoted, racistist (sic)” people out there.

What do bigotry and racism have to do with not wanting to drive the medicare and social security sytem further into the hole?

The Rand Pauls and pals, you never answered the question...

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How would you respond to this statement?

"An updated analysis of the financial stability of the Medicare program shows that what people pay into the system doesn't come close to covering the full value of the medical care they can expect to receive as retirees."

This statement, taken from an article this week, shows a funding problem with medicare that is expected to widen. What shall we do? Will we be in Dire Straits? Look at them yoyos, that's the way to do it, get you money for nothing and your chicks for free.

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Let me EXACTLY explain

so that your addled mind can handle. If we have a system where the average person pays into it $100,000 over their work life, but receive $350,000 in health benefits, then that system is doomed to fail. Grownups will have to make real decisions converning this sooner or later. We will have to ration care in state run programs and means test that care. It is going to suck for granny one way or the other if the program dies from lack of funds as it heading to do.

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Social Security

The ticking time bomb left us by early 20th century socialist FDR. The grandest of all Ponzi schemes, doomed from the start. Guess we will just have to print more money to pay for it after all business is destroyed. Wake up people! -GP

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GP : NO

SS is included in the "Fair Tax" 23-30% sales tax!

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You did not explain the solution!
The Wedge wrote:

so that your addled mind can handle. If we have a system where the average person pays into it $100,000 over their work life, but receive $350,000 in health benefits, then that system is doomed to fail. Grownups will have to make real decisions converning this sooner or later. We will have to ration care in state run programs and means test that care. It is going to suck for granny one way or the other if the program dies from lack of funds as it heading to do.

I will ignore the insult and ask AGAIN, what do we do? Kill people when they are too old to work? PLEASE, answer the question!!!!!! It's easy to point out a problem, I am asking for the solution!!!

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There is a method

I view you as Macbeth viewed life.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

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A true Macbethian response

well played sir, well played.

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Hey Wedge, any scuttlebutt

on what may have happened to Jack Wheeler (class of 66) up in Delaware?

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AHG

Nothing heard other than what is commonly reported. A mystery that needs ot be solved. The FBI is involved in the investigation.

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I don't have a solution but I can say without a doubt the present system is unsustainable. A simple analogy would be you have no money in the bank, all your credit cards are full and the bank(China) is getting close to forclosing on you house! Congress and the president are still SPENDING like there is not a problem. The first thing we need to do is recognize we have a problem and get SPENDING under control and then work hard on an answer for the rest. -GP

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The Wedge

Are you convinced that the charges for medical care are correct? Is the government being overcharged for drugs and equipment? Are hospital bills reflecting the actual coast of the materials that the patient is being charged for? Someone may be making a $250,000 profit. We need to look into this and find out who. There was an article uncovering the fraud in Medicare charges by those who sell, rent medical equipment to Medicare recipients. By the time the system caught up with the fraud, their offices were closed and the criminals had 'gone' - with the government reimbursement checks. Correcting the fraud and corruption will certainly help curb the deficit. . .and bring the cost of medical care within reason.

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Hey DM

I am not 100% sure about the actual numbers. The article used similar numbers to that. I do agree that fraud has inflated our numbers but I also see antecdotal evidence of other issues. I know of several people who live a relatively healthy life until their last three years and then had several instances of heroic care that hit at about $75,000 per pop and lengthy hospitalization stay. Knowing that these people were of modest means, I know that they received far more than they ever inputted into Medicare. I do not have the answer, but I realize that if trends continue and costs rise, evenutally and soon, we will run out of money. The problem with making this an entitlement is that it will be very painful and costly when the program dies.

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The Wedge

The problem isn't in the amount put 'in' - by those who receive a 'paycheck' and contribute to the fund. The problem is the rising cost of health care. Not all seniors use Medicare to the extent of your friends - and with the 'wellness' visits as proposed in the new healthcare plan - many future 'seniors' MAY not end their years in dire need of health care. This is all based on supposition. What we KNOW is that the health care industry is being grossly overcharged by the corporations that deal in drugs and medical equipment. Also hospital administrations are trying to make up the difference by charging an unreasonable amount for 'band aids', etc. What will cause the pain is that our leaders, at our insistence, don’t take care of the rising cost of health care now – even if it is ‘painful’ for those corporations that have and are making a large amount of profit off of the ‘program’.

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DM and an explanation of the 3 legged stool analogy

DM, In manufacturing one hears of the 3 legged stool analogy. There is a relationship that is hard to break among the legs of cost, quality, and speed and you can normally only optimize on two of the three legs. For example - it is easy to produce something that is low cost and fast, but quality normally suffers. My fear with health care is the following:

Generally, we have the best availability of quality health care in the world. We can bicker about this but many foreign citizens come here for treatment. Well our care has come at speed and quality, but not cost. To reduce the cost (re:less payments to healthcare providers) will come with unintended consequences. Talent drain and the corresponding reduction in speed will be the likely result as seen in national programs like Great Britain and Canada.

Fraud is a part of our cost escalators, but so is tort. I am okay with attacked cost escalators that are not provider caused, but let's attack all of the escalators.

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many foreign citizens come here for treatment.

. . and many of our citizens go to Brazil, Europe and/or Mexico for treatment. In order to protect the corporations, the first targets were the providers. (a proposed 23% cut in doctor reimbursement appears to have been stopped to prevent the very consequences that you noted. What would be the consequences if the corporations (pharmaceutical/equipment) were called out for their charges to the government programs? Just wondering who they 'pay'? I don’t criticize the scientists who have founded so many medicines that provide comfort and/or cures in the medical field - but I think taking a close look at what these corporations are charging for their products is warranted. What Medicare is charged using fraudulent practices must stop.

Just heard the news about the sad situation in Arizona where citizens denied care because of a budget cut in health care have died. (2) This governor approved millions of dollars for algae research - while citizens died. Insurance rates are going up because of the cost of health care - and what is being charged for medicine, equipment, etc. State officials and federal officials are saying they have no control of insurance rates at this time. (CA Blue Cross just went up 59% on individual coverage) BULL!! IMO ☺

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I don’t criticize the scientists who have founded so many medicines that provide comfort and/or cures in the medical field - but I think taking a close look at what these corporations are charging for their products is warranted.

It sounds like you are advocating a form of wage and price controls. That will only compound the problem. As for a solution; of everything I seen and read, NUK said it best - there's not enough of a free market. There are too many barriers that prevents entry of other companies.

As for that truly unfortunate situation in Arizona it does come down to the bottom line. Arizona no longer has the resources to fund this. Next on the horizon will be the inability to fund local and state retirement plans. Those expenditures are growing fast - see my post on baby boomers above. What do local and state leaders do about that; raise taxes?

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DM, Arizona Citizens & Our out of country patients

I can't find anything about the Arizona thingy--where is it? And I believe most of our citizens who seek medical treatment elsewhere do it for purely monetary reasons--pure & simple.

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I listen to more than Fox Cable. I'm sure you've heard about it (Arizona governor) by now. Many who go out of country do so because they respect the reputation of the medical staff AND the price. AHG - isn't it a shame that our citizens go out of country to obtain 'reasonably priced' health care?

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DM - interesting

I believe based on my experience that more people come here, including MP's from both Canada and England. We have routine visits by kings, sheiks, and various other folks running away from their countries social welfare health care systems.

Most of the folks that leave the US for medical services are those seeking plastic surgery outside the US. This does not count those that leave because of unreasonable regulation of drugs by the FDA. These people can get safe and efficacious drugs in Europe and elsewhere that are not allowed in the US and that protect the domestic drug industry.

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Thanks for sharing, Difficult to assess your experience since you are an unknown.

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I was sad about that news of course, but angry about the news of the Union slowdown in NYC that killed a couple of people as well in that blizzard. There are no great answers but noodle this one over. If you were to come up with a universal cure for cancer, would you be fairly compensated considering your contribution. I think most likely no, governments would seize your labor for the "public good". There are no great answers out there, just choices and unintended consequences.

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Fairly compensated the operative words in that sentence. I agree - certainly no 'easy' answers. I'm just tired of everyone getting the ax but the corporate guys. Chao.

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It's the one pie theory

they take away from one to give to another.

Well the Baby Boomers are going to be holding their hands out now screaming "gimmie" and where is it going to come from?

Government is the source of ALL of our ills. Well maybe not all this letter shows it is also those that depend of that Government to provide.

Who was it that said the Bush Tax Cuts were only worth a muffler?

"You know, if you make over $300,000 a year, this tax cut means you get to buy a new Lexus. If you make $50,000 a year, you get to buy a muffler on your used car."

---Tom Daschle, Senate Democratic Leader, February 5, 2001"

Have you priced a new muffler today? Not sure that $250.00 would make the cut. Thanks "Wonderful" Obama. Pull some more out of your stash please.

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Absolutely tigger

If I could opt out I would have years ago. I planned for my retirement I made better choices.

How are those roads by the way?

How are the grades of those students under Government care compared to the rest of the world?

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WOW!

Someone from Peachtree City who actually likes something our President has done on health care. Nice write up Cynthia.

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